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Nelson Foxtrot
11-17-2006, 10:13 PM
I know threads like this have been done to death in the past, but I'm interested in the post-Black Sox/pre-'59 era that I never hear much about and behind-the-scenes people. How much of previous years do the various 1959 books cover? Are there any books that give a great deal of coverage to the teams from the 1920s-mid 1950s?

Are there books that cover Charles Comiskey's later years or the lives of his children and grandchildren? For instance, I've seen a couple old magazine/newspaper articles from the 1940s that make reference to Chuck and Dorothy's sister Grace (not to be confused with their mother), but never heard of her anywhere else. Is that much info somewhere about folks like Harry Grabiner, the Allyns, Stu Holcomb, Bill Dewitt, Ed Short, John Rigney, Frank Lane, etc.? Also, if anybody has read Hank Greenberg's autobiography, did it touch much on his years as an executive with the Sox and other teams, or mostly just playing days? I'm ashamed to admit I haven't read Veeck as in Wreck yet, but how much of it covers the White Sox years?

Cuck_The_Fubs
11-18-2006, 11:25 AM
I'm just as interested as you are :smile:

areilly
11-18-2006, 12:09 PM
I'm ashamed to admit I haven't read Veeck as in Wreck yet, but how much of it covers the White Sox years?

Just the last couple chapters, so it's not really a 100% "Sox book." Still, as far as baseball books in general go, that's one of (if not the) best of the lost. He talks about the '59 team pretty in-depth, and makes some great observations about the Sox-Cubs rivalry. Funny how much remains true nearly 50 years later. It doesn't get into when he re-acquired the team, however, so there's no Disco Demolition tales or anything like that.

Still, definitely worth reading.

Baby Fisk
11-20-2006, 11:41 AM
I know threads like this have been done to death in the past, but I'm interested in the post-Black Sox/pre-'59 era that I never hear much about and behind-the-scenes people. How much of previous years do the various 1959 books cover? Are there any books that give a great deal of coverage to the teams from the 1920s-mid 1950s?

Are there books that cover Charles Comiskey's later years or the lives of his children and grandchildren? For instance, I've seen a couple old magazine/newspaper articles from the 1940s that make reference to Chuck and Dorothy's sister Grace (not to be confused with their mother), but never heard of her anywhere else. Is that much info somewhere about folks like Harry Grabiner, the Allyns, Stu Holcomb, Bill Dewitt, Ed Short, John Rigney, Frank Lane, etc.? Also, if anybody has read Hank Greenberg's autobiography, did it touch much on his years as an executive with the Sox and other teams, or mostly just playing days? I'm ashamed to admit I haven't read Veeck as in Wreck yet, but how much of it covers the White Sox years?

For information about the Sox teams of the 20s - 50s, your best bet might be the newly released Total White Sox by Richard Lindberg. This is a newly revised edition of the original White Sox Encyclopedia first published in 1997, and is up to date right up through the 2005 season. Other than that, I can't think of any book whose focus is particularly on those years. Mostly because the team managed to suck for the better part of three decades until the GO GO era. One book that might have some info that you are looking for is Stealing First in a Two-Team Town, also by Richard Lindberg.

The only book-length biography of Charles Comiskey is Commy: The Life Story of Charles A. Comiskey by G.W. Axelson. Unfortunately, it was written at the start of 1919, just before the Black Sox disaster. It's kind of neat because it paints a very rosy picture of Comiskey as one of the grand poobahs of the American League, a two time world champion owner whose team's fortunes are very rosy. Little did the writer know what was just on the horizon...

eastchicagosoxfan
11-20-2006, 08:31 PM
Here is the only title on my shelf:
Shoeless Joe and Ragtime Baseball by Harvey Frommer. I have not read it. I don't know why.

I don't know if any of the other Sox players from that era, or the 1920-59 era have biographies. Otherwise, check out books about Ban johnson, the founder of the AL. His relationship with Comiskey will almost certainly be touched on. There's one, now maybe two, biographies about Landis, Judge and Jury by Petrusza is the the book I have. I also have a Baseball Biographical Encyclopedia. It contains hundreds of biographies. Many former Sox players have modest write ups. Bill James's Abstract also contains his write ups on many former Sox players. Good luck, and I'm certain other posters have other info.

johnr1note
11-21-2006, 12:31 AM
The Lindberg books (Total Encyclopedia, and "Who's On Third," among others) are a good place to start. Some general material on the era between the Black Sox and the Go-Go era.

Another recent book that might touch on this era is "White Sox Glory" by Alan Ross. I haven't read it, but it seems an anecdotal history of various White Sox players through the years.

There is book on the 1917 Sox called "The 1917 White Sox: Thier Championship Season."

There are general baseball books on the era: "The Pivotal Era 1945-51 by william Marshall is one.

Other than that, there are magazine and newspaper data bases you can dig into at SABR or at Basball Almanac on the net.

Baby Fisk
11-21-2006, 12:21 PM
This list is incomplete, but a good starting point for any fan who wants to build a White Sox library.

Chicago White Sox Bibliography



White Sox Team Histories

The Chicago White Sox - Warren Brown, 1952.

The Tour to End All Tours: The Story of Major League Baseball's 1913-1914 World Tour - James E. Elfers, 2003.

Through Hope and Despair: A Fan's Memories of the Chicago White Sox, 1967-1997 - Dan Helpingstine, 2001.

Chicago White Sox: 1959 and Beyond - Dan Helpingstine, 2004.

Baseball, Chicago Style: A Tale of Two Teams, One City - Jerome Holtzman and George Vass, 2001.

Stealing First in a Two-Team Town: The White Sox From Comiskey to Reinsdorf - Richard Lindberg, 1994.

Sox: The Complete Record of Chicago White Sox Baseball - Richard Lindberg, 1984.

Stuck on the Sox - Richard Lindberg, 1978.

Total White Sox: The Definitive Encyclopedia of the World Champion Franchise - Richard Lindberg, 2006.

The White Sox Encyclopedia - Richard Lindberg, 1997.

Who's On Third? The Chicago White Sox Story - Richard Lindberg, 1984.

Sox and the City - Richard Roeper, 2006.

White Sox Glory: For the Love of Nellie, Shoeless Joe and Konerko -Alan Ross, 2006.

History of World's Tour: Chicago White Sox, New York Giants - Timothy Paul Sullivan, 1914.

Sox: From Lane and Fain to Zisk and Fisk - Bob Vanderberg, 1984.

The New Chicago White Sox - Arch Ward, 1951.

The White Sox Fan's Little Book of Wisdom - Paul Whitfield, 2004.

White Sox: The Illustrated History - Richard Whittingham, 1982 (1997).




1906 World Champions

When Chicago Ruled Baseball: The Cubs-White Sox World Series of 1906 - Bernard A. Weisberger, 2006.



1917 World Champions

The 1917 White Sox: Their World Championship Season - Warren N. Wilbert and William C. Hageman, 2004.



Black Sox Era (1919-1921)

Bleeding Between the Lines - Eliot Asinof, 1979.

Eight Men Out: The Black Sox and the 1919 World Series - Eliot Asinof, 1963.

Burying the Black Sox: How Baseball's Cover-Up of the 1919 World Series Fix Almost Succeeded - Gene Carney, 2006.

The 1919 World Series: What Really Happened? - William A. Cook, 2001.

Red Legs and Black Sox: Edd Roush and the Untold Story of the 1919 World Series - Susan Dellinger, 2006.

Shoeless Joe and Ragtime Baseball - Harry Frommer, 1992.

The Fix Is In - Daniel E. Ginsburg, 1995.

1919: The Year Our World Began - William Klingaman, 1987.

The Great Baseball Mystery - Victor Lohrs, 1966.

Saying It's So: A Cultural History of the Black Sox Scandal - Daniel A. Nathan, 2003.



Go-Go Sox Era (1950s-1960s)

The Go-Go Chicago White Sox - David Condon, 1960.

1959: The Year That Was - Donald Honig, 1989.

Strength Down the Middle: The Story of the 1959 Chicago White Sox -Larry Kalas, 1999.

'59 Summer of the Sox: The Year the World Series Came to Chicago - Bob Vanderburg, 1999.

Minnie and the Mick: The Go-Go White Sox Challenge the Fabled Yankee Dynasty, 1951 to 1964 - Bob Vanderburg, 1996.



South Side Hitmen Era (1977)

South Side Hitmen: The Story of the 1977 Chicago White Sox - Dan Helpingstine, 2006.



Winning Ugly Era (1983-1984)

Ron Kittle's Tales From the White Sox Dugout - Ron Kittle, 2005.

Miracle on 35th Street: Winnin' Ugly With the 1983 White Sox - Bob Logan, 1984.


2005 World Champions

Say It's So: The Chicago White Sox's Magical Season - Phil Rogers, 2006.



Biographies

Crash: The Life and Times of Dick Allen - Dick Allen and Tim Whitaker, 1989.

"Commy": The Life Story of Charles A. Comiskey - Gustav Axelson, 1919 (2003).

Shoeless Summer: The Summer of 1923, When Shoeless Joe Jackson Played Baseball in Americus, Georgia - John Bell, 2001.

Sports Stars: Carlton Fisk, The Catcher Who Changed Sox - Ray Buck, 1982.

Bill Veeck: A Baseball Legend - Gerald Eskanazi, 1988.

My Baseball Diary - James T. Farrell, 1957 (1998).

Shoeless: The Life and Times of Joe Jackson - David L. Fleitz, 2001.

Little Nel - the Nellie Fox Story: An Up Close and Personal Look at Baseball's "Mighty Mite" - David Gough and Jim Bard, 2000.

Say it Ain't So, Joe! The Story of Shoeless Joe Jackson - Donald Gropman, 1979 (1992, 2001).

Shoeless Joe Jackson - Jack Kavanaugh, 1995.

Just Call Me Minnie: My Six Decades in Baseball - Minnie Minoso and Herb Fagan, 1994.

After the Black Sox: The Swede Risberg Story - Alan Muchlinski.

Al Lopez: The Life of Baseball's El Seņor - Wes Singletary, 1999.

The Ginger Kid: The Buck Weaver Story - Irving M. Stein, 1992.

The Hustler's Handbook - Bill Veeck and Ed Linn, 1962 (1989).

Veeck as in Wreck - Bill Veeck and Ed Linn, 1965 (1989).

Harry Hooper: An American Baseball Life - Paul J. Zingg, 2004.



Comiskey Park (1910-1990)

Goodbye Old Friend: A Pictorial Essay on the Final Season at Old Comiskey Park - Frank Budreck, 19??.

Baseball Palace of the World: The Last Year of Comiskey Park - Douglas Bukowski, 1991.

Comiskey Park - Irwin J. Cohen, 2004.

Park Life: The Summer of 1977 at Comiskey Park - Peter Elliot, 2001.

Lost Ballparks - Lawrence S. Ritter, 1992.

Storied Stadiums: Baseball's History Through its Ballparks - Curt Smith, 2001.


Fiction

Blue Ruin: A Novel of the 1919 World Series - Brendan Boyd, 1991.

Shoeless Joe - W.P. Kinsella, 1982.

You Know Me Al - Ring Lardner, 19??

A Pennant for the Kremlin - Paul Molloy, 1964.

Shadow Ball: A Novel of Baseball and Chicago - Peter M. Rutkoff, 2001.

Hoopla - Harry Stein, 19??

johnr1note
11-21-2006, 03:47 PM
Great list, Baby Fisk! Thanks!

Has the Axelson book on Comiskey been actually re-released? If so, who publishes it? I've been looking for this, but have only found really expensive antique copies of the original publication in 1919.

Baby Fisk
11-21-2006, 04:28 PM
Great list, Baby Fisk! Thanks!

Has the Axelson book on Comiskey been actually re-released? If so, who publishes it? I've been looking for this, but have only found really expensive antique copies of the original publication in 1919.

Axelson's book was republished as a paperback a couple of years ago, and I ordered it through Amazon.

Brian26
11-21-2006, 10:47 PM
Who's On Third? The Chicago White Sox Story - Richard Lindberg, 1984.

I still have a paperback version of this. The book only follows the Sox halfway through the '83 season, so I always felt like Lindberg tried to rush it out before the end of the season based on the popularity of the team.

Trav
11-21-2006, 11:22 PM
I still have a paperback version of this. The book only follows the Sox halfway through the '83 season, so I always felt like Lindberg tried to rush it out before the end of the season based on the popularity of the team.


True, but I will say it is a great brief history of the team.

RadioheadRocks
11-22-2006, 12:05 AM
Very comprehensive list by Baby Fisk! :bandance:

To that list I'd add HOME AND AWAY by Mike Kiley (yes, THAT Mike Kiley, back when he was the White Sox beat writer for the Chicago Tribune). This is actually a pretty good day-by-day account of Kiley covering the 1985 White Sox. VERY hard-to-find nowadays, but nevertheless a good read about a decent season that was a bit of an oasis amidst the doldrums of the mid-late 80s White Sox.

TheKittle
11-23-2006, 07:46 PM
Very comprehensive list by Baby Fisk! :bandance:

To that list I'd add HOME AND AWAY by Mike Kiley (yes, THAT Mike Kiley, back when he was the White Sox beat writer for the Chicago Tribune). This is actually a pretty good day-by-day account of Kiley covering the 1985 White Sox. VERY hard-to-find nowadays, but nevertheless a good read about a decent season that was a bit of an oasis amidst the doldrums of the mid-late 80s White Sox.


Damn $95 on Amazon for Home and Away.

eastchicagosoxfan
11-23-2006, 07:53 PM
Baby Fisk....that is a heck of a list!! Thanks for the info.

Mercy!
11-25-2006, 06:25 PM
Baby Fisk - I love a man who knows his way around a good bibliography. Well done, indeed!

tacosalbarojas
11-27-2006, 06:10 PM
I still have a paperback version of this. The book only follows the Sox halfway through the '83 season, so I always felt like Lindberg tried to rush it out before the end of the season based on the popularity of the team.
I own the hard cover edition and I don't think there's anything in the hard cover about '83 but I'm going to have to double check. Sounds like it could be a scenario in the vein of what he did with the Encyclopedia update this year.

tacosalbarojas
11-27-2006, 06:13 PM
This list is incomplete, but a good starting point for any fan who wants to build a White Sox library.

Chicago White Sox Bibliography



White Sox Team Histories

The Chicago White Sox - Warren Brown, 1952.

The Tour to End All Tours: The Story of Major League Baseball's 1913-1914 World Tour - James E. Elfers, 2003.

Through Hope and Despair: A Fan's Memories of the Chicago White Sox, 1967-1997 - Dan Helpingstine, 2001.

Chicago White Sox: 1959 and Beyond - Dan Helpingstine, 2004.

Baseball, Chicago Style: A Tale of Two Teams, One City - Jerome Holtzman and George Vass, 2001.

Stealing First in a Two-Team Town: The White Sox From Comiskey to Reinsdorf - Richard Lindberg, 1994.

Sox: The Complete Record of Chicago White Sox Baseball - Richard Lindberg, 1984.

Stuck on the Sox - Richard Lindberg, 1978.

Total White Sox: The Definitive Encyclopedia of the World Champion Franchise - Richard Lindberg, 2006.

The White Sox Encyclopedia - Richard Lindberg, 1997.

Who's On Third? The Chicago White Sox Story - Richard Lindberg, 1984.

Sox and the City - Richard Roeper, 2006.

White Sox Glory: For the Love of Nellie, Shoeless Joe and Konerko -Alan Ross, 2006.

History of World's Tour: Chicago White Sox, New York Giants - Timothy Paul Sullivan, 1914.

Sox: From Lane and Fain to Zisk and Fisk - Bob Vanderberg, 1984.

The New Chicago White Sox - Arch Ward, 1951.

The White Sox Fan's Little Book of Wisdom - Paul Whitfield, 2004.

White Sox: The Illustrated History - Richard Whittingham, 1982 (1997).




1906 World Champions

When Chicago Ruled Baseball: The Cubs-White Sox World Series of 1906 - Bernard A. Weisberger, 2006.



1917 World Champions

The 1917 White Sox: Their World Championship Season - Warren N. Wilbert and William C. Hageman, 2004.



Black Sox Era (1919-1921)

Bleeding Between the Lines - Eliot Asinof, 1979.

Eight Men Out: The Black Sox and the 1919 World Series - Eliot Asinof, 1963.

Burying the Black Sox: How Baseball's Cover-Up of the 1919 World Series Fix Almost Succeeded - Gene Carney, 2006.

The 1919 World Series: What Really Happened? - William A. Cook, 2001.

Red Legs and Black Sox: Edd Roush and the Untold Story of the 1919 World Series - Susan Dellinger, 2006.

Shoeless Joe and Ragtime Baseball - Harry Frommer, 1992.

The Fix Is In - Daniel E. Ginsburg, 1995.

1919: The Year Our World Began - William Klingaman, 1987.

The Great Baseball Mystery - Victor Lohrs, 1966.

Saying It's So: A Cultural History of the Black Sox Scandal - Daniel A. Nathan, 2003.



Go-Go Sox Era (1950s-1960s)

The Go-Go Chicago White Sox - David Condon, 1960.

1959: The Year That Was - Donald Honig, 1989.

Strength Down the Middle: The Story of the 1959 Chicago White Sox -Larry Kalas, 1999.

'59 Summer of the Sox: The Year the World Series Came to Chicago - Bob Vanderburg, 1999.

Minnie and the Mick: The Go-Go White Sox Challenge the Fabled Yankee Dynasty, 1951 to 1964 - Bob Vanderburg, 1996.



South Side Hitmen Era (1977)

South Side Hitmen: The Story of the 1977 Chicago White Sox - Dan Helpingstine, 2006.



Winning Ugly Era (1983-1984)

Ron Kittle's Tales From the White Sox Dugout - Ron Kittle, 2005.

Miracle on 35th Street: Winnin' Ugly With the 1983 White Sox - Bob Logan, 1984.


2005 World Champions

Say It's So: The Chicago White Sox's Magical Season - Phil Rogers, 2006.



Biographies

Crash: The Life and Times of Dick Allen - Dick Allen and Tim Whitaker, 1989.

"Commy": The Life Story of Charles A. Comiskey - Gustav Axelson, 1919 (2003).

Shoeless Summer: The Summer of 1923, When Shoeless Joe Jackson Played Baseball in Americus, Georgia - John Bell, 2001.

Sports Stars: Carlton Fisk, The Catcher Who Changed Sox - Ray Buck, 1982.

Bill Veeck: A Baseball Legend - Gerald Eskanazi, 1988.

My Baseball Diary - James T. Farrell, 1957 (1998).

Shoeless: The Life and Times of Joe Jackson - David L. Fleitz, 2001.

Little Nel - the Nellie Fox Story: An Up Close and Personal Look at Baseball's "Mighty Mite" - David Gough and Jim Bard, 2000.

Say it Ain't So, Joe! The Story of Shoeless Joe Jackson - Donald Gropman, 1979 (1992, 2001).

Shoeless Joe Jackson - Jack Kavanaugh, 1995.

Just Call Me Minnie: My Six Decades in Baseball - Minnie Minoso and Herb Fagan, 1994.

After the Black Sox: The Swede Risberg Story - Alan Muchlinski.

Al Lopez: The Life of Baseball's El Seņor - Wes Singletary, 1999.

The Ginger Kid: The Buck Weaver Story - Irving M. Stein, 1992.

The Hustler's Handbook - Bill Veeck and Ed Linn, 1962 (1989).

Veeck as in Wreck - Bill Veeck and Ed Linn, 1965 (1989).

Harry Hooper: An American Baseball Life - Paul J. Zingg, 2004.



Comiskey Park (1910-1990)

Goodbye Old Friend: A Pictorial Essay on the Final Season at Old Comiskey Park - Frank Budreck, 19??.

Baseball Palace of the World: The Last Year of Comiskey Park - Douglas Bukowski, 1991.

Comiskey Park - Irwin J. Cohen, 2004.

Park Life: The Summer of 1977 at Comiskey Park - Peter Elliot, 2001.

Lost Ballparks - Lawrence S. Ritter, 1992.

Storied Stadiums: Baseball's History Through its Ballparks - Curt Smith, 2001.


Fiction

Blue Ruin: A Novel of the 1919 World Series - Brendan Boyd, 1991.

Shoeless Joe - W.P. Kinsella, 1982.

You Know Me Al - Ring Lardner, 19??

A Pennant for the Kremlin - Paul Molloy, 1964.

Shadow Ball: A Novel of Baseball and Chicago - Peter M. Rutkoff, 2001.

Hoopla - Harry Stein, 19??
Astounding job here - I'm taking this home to see how many of these I have. My rough pct. just by eyeballing it is about 60%

RadioheadRocks
11-28-2006, 12:14 AM
I own the hard cover edition and I don't think there's anything in the hard cover about '83 but I'm going to have to double check. Sounds like it could be a scenario in the vein of what he did with the Encyclopedia update this year.

This is true; I still have both versions and the paperback was issued with additional photos and a writeup on the 1983 season (these are at the back of the paperback edition).