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Jaffar
11-16-2006, 12:11 PM
Sent to the northside for Relief Pitcher David Aardsma. Per Bruce Levine ESPN. I guess the guy throws heat but his career ERA is over 4.

Jerko
11-16-2006, 12:12 PM
KW must really hate him.............

CashMan
11-16-2006, 12:13 PM
Does this mean a signing or bigger trade is coming, or does it open a spot on the 40man roster?

itsnotrequired
11-16-2006, 12:13 PM
Whoa...:o:

BanditJimmy
11-16-2006, 12:13 PM
***, whos is this guy (Arzma)

Damn, I hate to give up LH relief. Just cause Cotts had one bad year, give up on him this fast......*** Kenny !

:angry:

jenn2080
11-16-2006, 12:14 PM
See Ya!!! :bandance:

Jaffar
11-16-2006, 12:14 PM
David Aardsma Right Hander. I guess he throws heat. High career era.

skottyj242
11-16-2006, 12:15 PM
See Ya!!! :bandance:

How happy are you?

CLR01
11-16-2006, 12:15 PM
That's a train I am not going to be getting on. :o:

So long Neal. Keep on Rockin'.



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Baby Fisk
11-16-2006, 12:15 PM
Wow, talk about kicking a guy when he's down.

CashMan
11-16-2006, 12:17 PM
And minor leaguer Carlos Vasquez

CaptainBallz
11-16-2006, 12:18 PM
Wow...

Thanks for '05 Neal. You really sucked in '06. You probably won't get better on the Northside. Kinda sucks, but hopefully there's a larger scheme at work here...

Mr.1Dog
11-16-2006, 12:18 PM
W-L 3-0
ERA 4.08
K-49
Walks-28
Saves-0
Last year with the Flubs

chisoxmike
11-16-2006, 12:19 PM
:mad:

Yikes, I don't know...


I'm glad Cotts is gone but to the Cubs and for Aardsma???:?:

itsnotrequired
11-16-2006, 12:20 PM
Reaction over at northsidebaseball.com

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=36696

palehozenychicty
11-16-2006, 12:20 PM
I guess that he can keep his condo.

lakeviewsoxfan
11-16-2006, 12:20 PM
Did not expect this. Aardsma is a hard thrower, I know he bounced back and forth between Iowa and the Cubs last year. So this leave Thornton as are only LOOGY for now.

CLR01
11-16-2006, 12:21 PM
And minor leaguer Carlos Vasquez


You can never have enough Vasquezes on your team. :Rocker: (I don't care about the spelling)

getonbckthr
11-16-2006, 12:21 PM
That's a train I am not going to be getting on. :o:

So long Neal. Keep on Rockin'.



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Don't worry I have a feeling another train is coming through shortly and he's the D-TRAIN. The moment I heard this on the radio I immediately thought this was a set-up for another deal. Maybe Anderson, Aardsma and and one of our prospect pitchers for Dontrell Willis. Why would Florida do this they get their young CF, they get a potential young fireball closer and a prospect starter to replace Willis. This would also allow the Sox to say move a combination of 2 of the 3 from Contreras, Garcia, and Vasquez for Vernon Wells.

samram
11-16-2006, 12:23 PM
Here are Vasquez's numbers:

Link. (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Carlos%20Vasquez&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=430595)

We'll see if Aardsma sticks around. I don't think this is the type of guy they envision being part of a lockdown bullpen.

spiffie
11-16-2006, 12:23 PM
If we keep Aardsma I'm not at all unhappy. I liked what I saw of him. If he's part of a bigger deal...I trust KW.

itsnotrequired
11-16-2006, 12:23 PM
Did not expect this. Aardsma is a hard thrower, I know he bounced back and forth between Iowa and the Cubs last year. So this leave Thornton as are only LOOGY for now.

Thornton is not a loogy...

soxfan13
11-16-2006, 12:23 PM
You pull up a list of every player ever to play in the majors and Aardsma is the first name that will come up:D:

itsnotrequired
11-16-2006, 12:24 PM
I guess that he can keep his condo.

:rolling:

:thumbsup:

lakeviewsoxfan
11-16-2006, 12:24 PM
Thornton is not a loogy...

What is LOOGY I thought it was a Left Handed specialist

CLR01
11-16-2006, 12:25 PM
This would also allow the Sox to say move a combination of 2 of the 3 from Contreras, Garcia, and Vasquez for Vernon Wells.


That would be a gross overpayment, IMO ofcourse.

AuroraSoxFan
11-16-2006, 12:25 PM
Reaction over at northsidebaseball.com

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=36696


Northside baseball......there's an oxymoron if I ever saw one. Now that that's outta the way, I hope it works out. But I think KW could have gotten a little more for him. Oh well. guess it's history.

oeo
11-16-2006, 12:25 PM
Did not expect this. Aardsma is a hard thrower, I know he bounced back and forth between Iowa and the Cubs last year. So this leave Thornton as are only LOOGY for now.

Thornton is LEFT-HANDED, he's not a LOOGY. I can't believe you just said that.

Maybe Coop can turn this guy around, a la Thornton last year.

CHIsoxNation
11-16-2006, 12:26 PM
Is it possible the Cubs might want to turn him back into a starter eventually? This is just a weird deal.

itsnotrequired
11-16-2006, 12:27 PM
Northside baseball......there's an oxymoron if I ever saw one. Now that that's outta the way, I hope it works out. But I think KW could have gotten a little more for him. Oh well. guess it's history.

Concensus is that something else must be brewing. The Cubs are stacked in the bullpen department so to trade a bullpen pitcher for a bullpen pitcher seems a little odd.

Hitmen77
11-16-2006, 12:27 PM
Sent to the northside for Relief Pitcher David Aardsma. Per Bruce Levine ESPN. I guess the guy throws heat but his career ERA is over 4.

:o:

So, I guess the Tribune is getting ready right now to prep Cotts on how to slam the Sox and Sox fans in his communications to the press.

Howry: Hey, dude, welcome to the right side of town. I bet you're glad to get away from that lifeless dump on the South Side.
Cotts: But, I have this ring thanks to the Sox.
Howry: Pfft, winning's not important. Baseball is all about winning the attendance prize. The Cubs are the only real team in this town.

itsnotrequired
11-16-2006, 12:28 PM
What is LOOGY I thought it was a Left Handed specialist

A loogy is brought in to get a guy or two out and is then yanked. Thornton is more of a horse.

soxfan13
11-16-2006, 12:29 PM
Is there any actual proof of this deal actually being done, other then someone heard it on the radio. Because didnt Levine report this past summer that the Sox had gotten the Soriano deal done?

getonbckthr
11-16-2006, 12:30 PM
That would be a gross overpayment, IMO ofcourse.
I agree with you but if Kenny has decided this year is the year and we have 7 starters (assuming the Willis trade I mentioned) he might not feel so bad about over paying for what he feels is the best CF out there. Possibly it would be 2 of those 3 for Tejada. Maybe Contreras for Young and Garcia some where else for a CF (Griffey??)

NardiWasHere
11-16-2006, 12:31 PM
So this ended up being:

Keith Foulke for David Aardsma...

Funny how things work out

Sargeant79
11-16-2006, 12:31 PM
Aardsma was one of the two pitchers the Cubs got for LaTroy Hawkins when they sent him to the Giants a couple years ago. If I remember correctly, he's young, has good stuff, but hasn't been able to put it all together yet. Exactly the kind of guy Don Cooper tends to be able to do good things with.

Anybody know anything about Carlos Vazquez?

CashMan
11-16-2006, 12:32 PM
A few observations:

1. Every year Kenny pulls off a big trade.
2. You just don't give up a RP and don't replace him.
3. Kenny pulls off the big trade, 2 medium sized trades usually follow.

CHISOXFAN13
11-16-2006, 12:33 PM
Aardsma was one of the two pitchers the Cubs got for LaTroy Hawkins when they sent him to the Giants a couple years ago. If I remember correctly, he's young, has good stuff, but hasn't been able to put it all together yet. Exactly the kind of guy Don Cooper tends to be able to do good things with.

Anybody know anything about Carlos Vazquez?

http://146.145.120.3/default.asp?c=detnews&page=minorbase/news/BQN3830462.htm

According to this, Vazquez was suspended for violating the drug policy.

Hangar18
11-16-2006, 12:34 PM
Wow, do I not like this trade ....

soltrain21
11-16-2006, 12:35 PM
Adios, Neal. I had never been more frustrated with a pitcher then I was with you last year. Well, you and Mark.

Hitmen77
11-16-2006, 12:35 PM
So this ended up being:

Keith Foulke for David Aardsma...

Funny how things work out

Yeah, but Cotts contributed to us getting a trophy along the way.

thedudeabides
11-16-2006, 12:35 PM
Is it possible the Cubs might want to turn him back into a starter eventually? This is just a weird deal.

That's the first thing that came to my mind. Neil has stated in the past that he would like a shot at starting. Well, if he can't get a shot with the Cubs, it's not going to happen.

kidmccarthy
11-16-2006, 12:35 PM
I have watched Aardsma quite a bit on tv, and he has some nasty pitches, he seems to give up too many walks and is a minor headcase with his control issues. I think coop can make him a fine option over riske

oeo
11-16-2006, 12:35 PM
http://146.145.120.3/default.asp?c=detnews&page=minorbase/news/BQN3830462.htm

According to this, Vazquez was suspended for violating the drug policy.

That says VaZquez, this guy is VaSquez.

INSox56
11-16-2006, 12:36 PM
I don't see another big deal coming...it's not wednesday...

soxfan13
11-16-2006, 12:37 PM
Wow, do I not like this trade ....

Why cuz it was made with the Cubs. I think its a very good deal if its true. You wouldnt get much more for Cotts He also will never repeat the career year he had in 2005

jenn2080
11-16-2006, 12:37 PM
Adios, Neal. I had never been more frustrated with a pitcher then I was with you last year. Well, you and Mark.



Don't forget about Cliff too.

Milw
11-16-2006, 12:37 PM
Is there any actual proof of this deal actually being done, other then someone heard it on the radio. Because didnt Levine report this past summer that the Sox had gotten the Soriano deal done?
It's confirmed by the Trib.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-061116cubssoxtrade,1,2256208.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

CHISOXFAN13
11-16-2006, 12:37 PM
That says VaZquez, this guy is VaSquez.

So they had a Vazquez and a Vasquez both with the first name Carlos. I find that pretty hard to believe.

monkeypants
11-16-2006, 12:38 PM
http://dbw.ca.gov/AquaSmart/html/images/pirate.jpg

AAAAARRRRRRRdsma!

oeo
11-16-2006, 12:38 PM
So they had a Vazquez and a Vasquez both with the first name Carlos. I find that pretty hard to believe.

I don't know, it's not out of the realm of possibility. I mean, it's probably the same guy, I was just pointing out that the report had a different name.

havelj
11-16-2006, 12:40 PM
Wow, do I not like this trade ....

Don't evaluate this yet - wait for the other shoe to drop.

soxfan13
11-16-2006, 12:40 PM
It's confirmed by the Trib.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-061116cubssoxtrade,1,2256208.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

ty:smile:

kidmccarthy
11-16-2006, 12:40 PM
The trade between the clubs is the first since July 29, 1998 when the White Sox acquired pitcher Jon Garland in exchange for pitcher Matt Karchner.

I like.

Baby Fisk
11-16-2006, 12:41 PM
AAAAARRRRRRRdsma!

Haha. He would have been perfect for Palehose Six this past season.

WhiteSoxFan84
11-16-2006, 12:41 PM
This is a strange move considering Jamie Walker was a guy that KW had his eyes on and he just signed with Baltimore. David Riske is gone because of this deal as well. And I guess this obviously means that Matt Thornton is our ace lefty reliever now.

CHIsoxNation
11-16-2006, 12:42 PM
It's confirmed by the Trib.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-061116cubssoxtrade,1,2256208.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

I really enjoyed reading the last sentence of that article.

kidmccarthy
11-16-2006, 12:43 PM
This could be a good trade, because my wife's huge crush on neal should go away now that he will be wearing cubs blue. eck!!

oeo
11-16-2006, 12:43 PM
This is a strange move considering Jamie Walker was a guy that KW had his eyes on and he just signed with Baltimore. David Riske is gone because of this deal as well. And I guess this obviously means that Matt Thornton is our ace lefty reliever now.

Thornton was our ace lefty reliever. And even if we were to get Jamie Walker, I would still feel that he was our ace lefty reliever.

SouthSide_HitMen
11-16-2006, 12:43 PM
A relief pitcher's fame is fleeting. If you get one or two years out of most you are ahead of the game.

Thanks for 2005 Neil! Hopefully the player who knocked Hank Aaron from the pole position in the Baseball Encyclopedia will give us a good year or two.

Kilroy
11-16-2006, 12:46 PM
Here's the Sox link

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20061116&content_id=1741585&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

Myrtle72
11-16-2006, 12:48 PM
Wow. :mg:

I think that's all I can say right now. We'll see how it turns out...

spiffie
11-16-2006, 12:48 PM
FWIW, Carlos Vasquez (with an S) was in the Cubs organization. His minor league numbers show some promise

In 50 IP at AA last year he had a 3.55 ERA with a 10.66 K/9 rate. Over 444 minor league innings he has a 3.61 ERA with 7.34 K/9, so he can get some K's. Also, his HR/9 rate over that time is .43. He'll be 24 next year so he's got some time to grow into a good pitcher still.

cbotnyse
11-16-2006, 12:50 PM
It will be very strange to see him in blue. Ah well, thanks for 05 Neal. :gulp:

itsnotrequired
11-16-2006, 12:51 PM
Where's the appreciation thread?

Hangar18
11-16-2006, 12:51 PM
Why cuz it was made with the Cubs. I think its a very good deal if its true. You wouldnt get much more for Cotts He also will never repeat the career year he had in 2005


A: I dont think he had a career year in 2005
B: Hes a Lefty relief pitcher

I think he was going to rebound next season ......... seems like we couldve gotten much more for him, or used him in a package deal.
I think hes going to do phenomenal in the NL

skottyj242
11-16-2006, 12:53 PM
Reaction over at northsidebaseball.com

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=36696

Those huge sigs are annoying.

chisoxmike
11-16-2006, 12:54 PM
Don't evaluate this yet - wait for the other shoe to drop.

Why does this have to be a part of something bigger? I think this is the case of one man's trash is another man's treasure...for both sides.

cbotnyse
11-16-2006, 12:54 PM
anyone have the numbers of the guy we are getting?

oeo
11-16-2006, 12:55 PM
A: I dont think he had a career year in 2005
B: Hes a Lefty relief pitcher

I think he was going to rebound next season ......... seems like we couldve gotten much more for him, or used him in a package deal.
I think hes going to do phenomenal in the NL

I don't think the 2006 Cotts is the real Cotts, but to say 2005 wasn't a career year is ridiculous. He had an unbelievable year, which he will never repeat again in his career.

I still think he's better than 2006, though, and I really thought he was going to be given a chance to show his worth this year. BUT, this could the precursor to a bigger trade, so just wait it out and see what happens.

Myrtle72
11-16-2006, 12:55 PM
Why does this have to be a part of something bigger. I think this is the case of one man's trash is another man's treasure...for both sides.

That's an excellent way to put it. I'm pretty sure you're right. I think it's a crappy trade all around that could work out well.

alohafri
11-16-2006, 12:55 PM
This could be a good trade, because my wife's huge crush on neal should go away now that he will be wearing cubs blue. eck!!

Your wife too, huh?

ChiSoxLifer
11-16-2006, 12:56 PM
Reaction over at northsidebaseball.com

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=36696

Unbelievable, someone on their board actually thinks Hill for Garcia would be a bad trade for the cubs. Maybe they think Hill for Johan Santana would be overpaying. (I'm not putting Garcia on equal footing with Johan but cubs fans sure overvalue their players.)

alohafri
11-16-2006, 12:56 PM
Why does this have to be a part of something bigger. I think this is the case of one man's trash is another man's treasure...for both sides.

Yeah, let the "part of something bigger" be Cubby's mantra.

itsnotrequired
11-16-2006, 12:56 PM
I don't think the 2006 Cotts is the real Cotts, but to say 2005 wasn't a career year is ridiculous. He had an unbelievable year, which he will never repeat again in his career.

A career year only can include seasons that have already been played. Cotts could throw 80 innings of relief next year and have a 0.00 ERA with 150 Ks and 0 BBs but until that happens, 2005 was his career year. That Setup Man of The Year award wasn't a gag.

downstairs
11-16-2006, 12:58 PM
Aardsma also holds the distinction of having being first, alphabetically, of all Major Leage Players in baseball history.

Before he came up that distinction was held by none other than Henry Aaron.


http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/


Ironically, the last guy alphabetically is Dutch Zwilling. Also traded between Chicago teams (White Sox, Whales, Cubs)...

NardiWasHere
11-16-2006, 12:59 PM
Ok so next year=
5 Starters+
Jenks, Thort, MacDou, Aards, Haeger..

Who else? 2nd Lefty? Where is he coming from?

itsnotrequired
11-16-2006, 01:00 PM
Why does this have to be a part of something bigger? I think this is the case of one man's trash is another man's treasure...for both sides.

That line of thinking may apply to the Sox but doesn't make much sense as the Cubs are concerned. Look for the Cubs to move Cotts or another bullpen arm as part of another deal. Them getting Cotts seems like a stepping stone.

getonbckthr
11-16-2006, 01:01 PM
Ok so next year=
5 Starters+
Jenks, Thort, MacDou, Aards, Haeger..

Who else? 2nd Lefty? Where is he coming from?
Like last offseason I will start my "give the job to Reynoso" post.

spiffie
11-16-2006, 01:03 PM
Unbelievable, someone on their board actually thinks Hill for Garcia would be a bad trade for the cubs. Maybe they think Hill for Johan Santana would be overpaying. (I'm not putting Garcia on equal footing with Johan but cubs fans sure overvalue their players.)
That would be an absolutely terrible trade for the Cubs. Trading away their best pitching prospect for one year of Freddy Garcia would be like us trading away Brandon McCarthy for a one-year rental of a decent starting pitcher. Rich Hill is one of the best young arms in the NL, and to give him up would be insane for them.

1917
11-16-2006, 01:03 PM
Ok so next year=
5 Starters+
Jenks, Thort, MacDou, Aards, Haeger..

Who else? 2nd Lefty? Where is he coming from?

We are a long way from done

CHIsoxNation
11-16-2006, 01:03 PM
Cooper sounded pretty excited to see what this new guy has...he just talked a bit on The Score. Sounds like he'll be sticking around.

White Sox Randy
11-16-2006, 01:04 PM
The Sox Got An Undefeated Pitcher !

Woo Hoo !

infohawk
11-16-2006, 01:05 PM
Wow...

Thanks for '05 Neal. You really sucked in '06. You probably won't get better on the Northside. Kinda sucks, but hopefully there's a larger scheme at work here...
I would think that KW has something lined up for another lefty reliever. At one point, the Sox seemed to be looking at carrying three. They're down to one now, and they just about have to get one more. KW only makes this trade if he's got something else in the hopper.

BanditJimmy
11-16-2006, 01:05 PM
For the record (for those who bitch about Sox coverage in this town):


The Score (Offman) broke the news by saying "The White Sox have made a trade."

mjmcend
11-16-2006, 01:05 PM
Why are people (including the Sox) so sold on Thorton? He is a guy with average to awful numbers up until last year. Now he is the greatest thing since sliced bread after 2006. Well this same situation played out with Cotts after 2005. Cotts' biggest problem last year was the home run. He went form giving up just 1 in 2005 to 12 in 2006.
Thorton dropped from 13 in 2005 (with half his games in Safeco) to just 5 in 2006. Who is to say that he won't allow more homeruns next year while Cotts will trend back to the middle of his numbers (say right around 5).


I don't like this trade and I don't see how it is part of something larger.

jenn2080
11-16-2006, 01:06 PM
Your wife too, huh?


I must be missing something. There is nothing good looking about him.

slavko
11-16-2006, 01:07 PM
A relief pitcher's fame is fleeting. If you get one or two years out of most you are ahead of the game.



Exactamundo. If you saw Cotts throwing in a game last year, it was like Home Run Derby, esp. towards the end of the year. Aardsma, as noted above, throws some nasty stuff up there. Which is the more likely turnaround situation, Cotts + Rothschild or Aardsma + Cooper? ...and don't think for a minute Cooper wasn't consulted about this.

mrs. hendu
11-16-2006, 01:10 PM
Poor Neal has to wear that ugly cubbie blue. What a downgrade for him.

Myrtle72
11-16-2006, 01:10 PM
Poor Neal has to wear that ugly cubbie blue. What a downgrade for him.

Yeah, I'm sure that is what's on his mind right now. :tongue:

kidmccarthy
11-16-2006, 01:12 PM
I think Aardsma has two great things going. Batters havent seen him, and hes only 24. Coop can make him better than riske, no doubt. We now have 4 guys who throw 95+ in our pen. The Flamethrowing Four. Thats what I will call them.

lakeviewsoxfan
11-16-2006, 01:13 PM
I like this trade Aardsma has nasty stuff.

Hitmen77
11-16-2006, 01:14 PM
I would think that KW has something lined up for another lefty reliever. At one point, the Sox seemed to be looking at carrying three. They're down to one now, and they just about have to get one more. KW only makes this trade if he's got something else in the hopper.

I would agree - except many of us at WSI were saying the same thing last year when the Sox created a bullpen hole by trading Marte and Vizcaino. We thought KW already had plans to fill those holes, but no other transactions for bullpen help were made.

mrs. hendu
11-16-2006, 01:14 PM
Yeah, I'm sure that is what's on his mind right now. :tongue:
I know. :wink: I'm just still shocked he got traded to the Northside...

INSox56
11-16-2006, 01:15 PM
Why are people (including the Sox) so sold on Thorton? He is a guy with average to awful numbers up until last year. Now he is the greatest thing since sliced bread after 2006. Well this same situation played out with Cotts after 2005. Cotts' biggest problem last year was the home run. He went form giving up just 1 in 2005 to 12 in 2006.
Thorton dropped from 13 in 2005 (with half his games in Safeco) to just 5 in 2006. Who is to say that he won't allow more homeruns next year while Cotts will trend back to the middle of his numbers (say right around 5).


I don't like this trade and I don't see how it is part of something larger.

Because it wasn't just a fluke where he was luckier this year. His mechanics were changed, which makes him, essentially, a different pitcher. Not the same old stuff, but just luckier. His problem was massive control issues, and his mechanics were first adjusted at Seattle, then refined by Coop.

jdm2662
11-16-2006, 01:15 PM
I've never heard of any the guys the Sox traded for. I can't make an opinion on their stuff. If they work out, great!

1917
11-16-2006, 01:16 PM
I just think it is great that we have 7 pages and counting of posts for this deal...we were really bored huh! haha

champagne030
11-16-2006, 01:16 PM
Cooper sounded pretty excited to see what this new guy has...he just talked a bit on The Score. Sounds like he'll be sticking around.

Did you really expect Coop to come on say the guy we just received is a piece of ****? I'm not too excited. The guy walks too many people, but he did have a pretty good last two months, sans the Cardinals implosion.

SouthsideChi
11-16-2006, 01:18 PM
My guess is the Sox sign Ron Villone next.

jenn2080
11-16-2006, 01:20 PM
I just think it is great that we have 7 pages and counting of posts for this deal...we were really bored huh! haha


Bored out of my mind:D:

sox1970
11-16-2006, 01:22 PM
My guess is the Sox sign Ron Villone next.

5.04 ERA last year. Why not just keep Cotts if they're going after Villone?

They need to aim a little higher.

getonbckthr
11-16-2006, 01:22 PM
I think the bad taste of 06 in our mouths are causing the expecting and awaiting of Sox moves not boredom.

CHIsoxNation
11-16-2006, 01:22 PM
Did you really expect Coop to come on say the guy we just received is a piece of ****? I'm not too excited. The guy walks too many people, but he did have a pretty good last two months, sans the Cardinals implosion.

My point was that I don't believe Coop would have come on to the radio to praise this kid and talk about how he can't wait to see his arm if they planned on getting rid of him right away in a bigger deal.

Ol' No. 2
11-16-2006, 01:24 PM
I would agree - except many of us at WSI were saying the same thing last year when the Sox created a bullpen hole by trading Marte and Vizcaino. We thought KW already had plans to fill those holes, but no other transactions for bullpen help were made.Trading Marte didn't create a hole. He was the hole.

jenn2080
11-16-2006, 01:25 PM
Trading Marte didn't create a hole. He was the hole.


:rolling: :rolling: Damn straight :thumbsup:

soxfan13
11-16-2006, 01:25 PM
A: I dont think he had a career year in 2005
B: Hes a Lefty relief pitcher

I think he was going to rebound next season ......... seems like we couldve gotten much more for him, or used him in a package deal.
I think hes going to do phenomenal in the NL

4-0 with a 1.94 Era and 1.11 whip wasnt a career year. I guess your right he might get more wins in a season but I do not think he will ever come close to matching that ERA and whip again. I think aardsma has a lot higher ceiling then Cotts. Its sad to see him go but I like Aardsma. Who knows maybe the Cubs are going to make Cotts a starter?

kobo
11-16-2006, 01:25 PM
I've never heard of any the guys the Sox traded for. I can't make an opinion on their stuff. If they work out, great!
I agree. Not sure yet what I think of this trade.

Jjav829
11-16-2006, 01:26 PM
:(:

I really didn't want to give up on Cotts. Yeah, he had an awful 2nd half, but he's only 26.

As for Aardsma, I assume he'll slot into McCarthy's vacated role. Aardsma is another mid-90's guy, so we'll really have some heat out in our bullpen for the late innings with Aardsma, Thornton, MacDougal and Jenks.

Now I guess we wait for Kenny to find another lefty. He pulled Thornton out of nowhere, so maybe he can do the same this offseason.

joebro25
11-16-2006, 01:26 PM
I'm happy we made this move. I think '05 was Cotts' career year and he won't be that good again. I'm just happy I don't have to watch Sox games next year where Cotts comes in, gives up the lead, then goes to the dugout and throws a temper tantrum like a small child. From what i've seen of Aardsma he looks to be okay, he throws hard but has control issues. I think Coop can help him out with that. I really hope though, that theres a bigger deal following this one soon.

Chisox003
11-16-2006, 01:26 PM
I like this trade Aardsma has nasty stuff.
I'm with ya buddy. A couple sessions with Coop and he'll be unhittable.

That is, of course, if he sticks around long enough. I tend to agree with those who think that this is just a precursor to another, bigger deal.

We'll see. For now, I like it.

sox1970
11-16-2006, 01:29 PM
The Sox also got Carlos Vasquez. I think this means Javier Vazquez has to go. This would be just way too confusing for some posters who don't know how to spell Javy's name.

SoxxoS
11-16-2006, 01:31 PM
Maybe the Cubs are looking at Cotts to start? :?:

maurice
11-16-2006, 01:31 PM
Like last offseason I will start my "give the job to Reynoso" post.

Reynoso can't throw strikes.

4-0 with a 1.94 Era and 1.11 whip wasnt a career year. I guess your right he might get more wins in a season but I do not think he will ever come close to matching that ERA and whip again.

Who knows? He's going from the AL Central to the NL Central, so that'll help.
:cool:

maybe the Cubs are going to make Cotts a starter?

I was thinking the same thing. They don't have 5 clearly better options at this point.

DaveIsHere
11-16-2006, 01:32 PM
Maybe the Cubs are looking at Cotts to start? :?:


That is what I was thinking, since they alredy wasted their money on A-rear-ass and DeRosa they need to make it up somewhere.

Huisj
11-16-2006, 01:34 PM
5.04 ERA last year. Why not just keep Cotts if they're going after Villone?

They need to aim a little higher.

Villone's season last year looks frighteningly similar to Cotts--very good in the first half, horrible at the end of the season.

When I read your post, I couldn't believe that his ERA ended up that high, because I remembered seeing him pitch in a game on ESPN sometime in August, and his ERA was really low. I looked up his stats, and sure enough, his end of August and September were just horrible:

April: 9 IP, 2.00 ERA
May: 12.2 IP, 1.42 ERA (1.66 overall)
June: 13.1 IP, 2.70 ERA (2.06 overall)
July: 17 IP, 2.12 ERA (2.08 overall)
August: 22.1 IP, 6.04 ERA (3.27 overall)
September: 6 IP, 27.00 ERA (5.04 overall)

Kind of looks like he burned out. He threw more and more innings each month until September when he totally imploded with 18 ER on 9 BB and 14 H in 6 innings. Wow.

What does it all mean for next season? Who the heck can tell until that season gets here?

spiffie
11-16-2006, 01:35 PM
:(:

I really didn't want to give up on Cotts. Yeah, he had an awful 2nd half, but he's only 26.
Normally I would agree, but I feel like after last year Cotts would just be toxic to have around. The minute he appeared on the field the crowd would be nasty, it would be bad vibes all over...he may do well next year, but I don't think he would have done well in a Sox uniform.

Madvora
11-16-2006, 01:40 PM
It seems like Cotts would have been able to bring more value than this. He's a lefty, he's young, injury free and he has already had a great season in the majors before, plus he might have the ability to be a starter.
I'm not upset that they traded him, but I thought he'd be used as part of something much bigger.

Lorenzo Barcelo
11-16-2006, 01:41 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2664491

thedudeabides
11-16-2006, 01:41 PM
It's just weird that Jenks is the only holdover from the '05 bullpen. It's amazing how fast good relievers can fall.

CHIsoxNation
11-16-2006, 01:42 PM
It definitely looked like Neal lost his confidence last year. Who knows, he may have been able to gain it back this season but the second he goes through a bad stretch could put another hit on his confidence with this club. Maybe Kenny just didn't think he'd be able to shake it off with the Sox and didn't want to take the risk of a nother outing like last year's.

Madvora
11-16-2006, 01:42 PM
Find the Mistake in the article http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2664491

in the White Sox's four-game sweep of the St. Louis Cardinals (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=stl).

Huisj
11-16-2006, 01:43 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2664491

the sox beat the cardinals? hahaha:D:

EDIT: dang, you beat me to it. I guess that with the number of times ESPN has made such a big deal about the homer Pujols hit off Lidge, they've pretty much convinced themselves that it did in fact propel them into the WS that year.

Steelrod
11-16-2006, 01:43 PM
I'm with ya buddy. A couple sessions with Coop and he'll be unhittable.

That is, of course, if he sticks around long enough. I tend to agree with those who think that this is just a precursor to another, bigger deal.

We'll see. For now, I like it.
Coop's magic? What happened to Riske?

Jerko
11-16-2006, 01:43 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2664491

Nice responsible journalism there. *** Cardinals.

oeo
11-16-2006, 01:44 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2664491

Hey, they're just saying, the Sox should have been there and would have swept them.

Chez
11-16-2006, 01:44 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2664491

I believe we swept the Astros not the Cardinals; but it's been awhile and my memory isn't what it used to be.

thedudeabides
11-16-2006, 01:44 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2664491
They swept the Astros, not the Cardinals.

Lorenzo Barcelo
11-16-2006, 01:46 PM
I believe we swept the Astros not the Cardinals; but it's been awhile and my memory isn't what it used to be.

espn has the same problem it looks like.

Foulke You
11-16-2006, 01:46 PM
Because it wasn't just a fluke where he was luckier this year. His mechanics were changed, which makes him, essentially, a different pitcher. Not the same old stuff, but just luckier. His problem was massive control issues, and his mechanics were first adjusted at Seattle, then refined by Coop.
He also went from throwing 94-95mph to 90-91mph. Combine that with control problems and you have yourself a bad season for a relief pitcher.

Chisox003
11-16-2006, 01:48 PM
Coop's magic? What happened to Riske?
Well I don't think I used the word "magic," but that's just one example. Of a veteran who joined the team in what, late June?

This is a different situation.

DaleJRFan
11-16-2006, 01:53 PM
wow. Don't know what to say...

David Aardsma came to the Cubs with Jerom Williams in the LaTroy Hawkins trade... He throws 96-98 on his fastball and has a very good slider. Control was always the issue. He is still very young, so hopefully he can be "fixed" by Dr. Cooper and company.

oeo
11-16-2006, 01:57 PM
If Aardsma can put it together, this back end of the bullpen is nasty. MacDougal, Thornton, Aardsma, with Jenks closing it out. If Haeger is put in there, imagine going from him to any of those four guys.

If Kenny picks up another lefty I'm good with a bullpen of Jenks, MacDougal, Thornton, Aardsma, Haeger, and whoever is picked up.

jenn2080
11-16-2006, 02:01 PM
They swept the Astros, not the Cardinals.

I believe we swept the Astros not the Cardinals; but it's been awhile and my memory isn't what it used to be.


We swept the Cards. We lost game 3 of the series to Houston in extra innings.

veeter
11-16-2006, 02:05 PM
I'm glad Haeger is in everyone's bullpen thoughts. Because he is the 'X' factor in all of this. He'll start and relieve. With the flame throwers being compiled, he is gonna screw some people up.

Jerko
11-16-2006, 02:07 PM
All I can say is I'm a little ticked. Anyone else?

SABRSox
11-16-2006, 02:09 PM
I don't like giving up on Neal, but I'm guessing they felt Neal was a bit of a lost cause.

Aardsma brings a 98mph fastball. I like the desire to get power arms in the pen, and if Coop works his magic, that's 4 guys now who could close if called upon. If only we could get Gagne in there as well...

CPditka
11-16-2006, 02:12 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2664491


They also spelled Vas(z)quez's name both ways in the article (third to last paragraph).

Oh yeah, and the Cardinal thing.

Randar68
11-16-2006, 02:14 PM
Still trying to find out more on Vasquez. He's still relatively young and missed all of 2005, but I can't find anything about it being due to arm trouble?

palehozenychicty
11-16-2006, 02:17 PM
Trading Marte didn't create a hole. He was the hole.


Zing! :D:

jenn2080
11-16-2006, 02:17 PM
All I can say is I'm a little ticked. Anyone else?



****ing devistated.
:D:

DaleJRFan
11-16-2006, 02:26 PM
from southsidesox.com

Vasquez was supended for steroids before the 2005 season and ended up not pitching the whole season. There's no indication if he has ever been considered to be more than minor league filler.

http://southsidesox.com/story/2006/11/16/125635/19#commenttop

It is also noted that he is a leftie.

ZombieRob
11-16-2006, 02:29 PM
So now that Cotts is gone where does K.W look to? Sox still have Logan ,and the Free Agents availible perhaps Mike Stanton and J.C Romero who struggle with the Angels but has good upside .

decolores9628
11-16-2006, 02:30 PM
Overall I am pretty happy about this deal, I really hated seeing Cotts coming out of the pen last year, and Aardsma was decent for the Cubs, and its pretty hard to be decent on the Cubs.

Fake Chet Lemon
11-16-2006, 02:33 PM
Crazy thought.

If no starting pitcher gets traded and McCarthy is lights out this Spring, would Ozzie think of making Buehrle the other lefty in the pen? He can come in with runners on base and SHUT DOWN the running game, and he rarely walks people.

INSox56
11-16-2006, 02:34 PM
He also went from throwing 94-95mph to 90-91mph. Combine that with control problems and you have yourself a bad season for a relief pitcher.

what the hell are you talking about? Every game I saw had him throwing right up there with jenks...consistently 95-97. If you think i'm talking about Cotts, then you should read what I was responding to first.

lakeviewsoxfan
11-16-2006, 02:34 PM
Crazy thought.

If no statrting pitcher gets traded and McCarthy is lights out this Spring, would Ozzie think of making Buehrle the other lefty in the pen? He can come in with runners on base and SHUT DOWN the running game, and he rarely walks people.

Not a chance in hell.

downstairs
11-16-2006, 02:35 PM
Interesting... most of the people on the Cubs board think Cotts is merely there to move to another team. Cotts is redundant to them, as was Aardsma.

Basically they see it as a three-team deal, but don't know the other half of it yet.

We'll see...

CashMan
11-16-2006, 02:36 PM
Crazy thought.

If no statrting pitcher gets traded and McCarthy is lights out this Spring, would Ozzie think of making Buehrle the other lefty in the pen? He can come in with runners on base and SHUT DOWN the running game, and he rarely walks people.

a $13mill middle reliever? Why is everyone down on Buehrle? He has had 2 bad years, and they both came after a season where he pitched more than just the reg season. (i.e. against the japanese team and the playoffs)

Hitmen77
11-16-2006, 02:39 PM
Crazy thought.

If no statrting pitcher gets traded and McCarthy is lights out this Spring, would Ozzie think of making Buehrle the other lefty in the pen? He can come in with runners on base and SHUT DOWN the running game, and he rarely walks people.

I agree - it is a crazy thought.
:tongue:

DaleJRFan
11-16-2006, 02:39 PM
So now that Cotts is gone where does K.W look to? Sox still have Logan ,and the Free Agents availible perhaps Mike Stanton and J.C Romero who struggle with the Angels but has good upside .

Mike Gonzalez or Brian Fuentes... Fuentes will be a free agent in 2008 and as we all know, the Pirates give away good players. Both could be had... it's just a matter of price.

Fake Chet Lemon
11-16-2006, 02:43 PM
a $13mill middle reliever? Why is everyone down on Buehrle? He has had 2 bad years, and they both came after a season where he pitched more than just the reg season. (i.e. against the japanese team and the playoffs)

What if this is Buehrle's last year before becoming a Cardinal? Then for one year only, you use him in the best spot for the team regardless of salary. Just a thought.

More likely, Kenny is loading up on young power arms to make a run at Michael Young from Texas. I can hope anyhow!!!

soxinem1
11-16-2006, 02:43 PM
Well, the cubs spent most of the 2006 season looking for a LH batting practice pitcher, and now they have one!!

DaleJRFan
11-16-2006, 02:44 PM
Well, the cubs spent most of the 2006 season looking for a LH batting practice pitcher, and now they have one!!


SNAP!!! :D:

SABRSox
11-16-2006, 02:48 PM
Mike Gonzalez or Brian Fuentes... Fuentes will be a free agent in 2008 and as we all know, the Pirates give away good players. Both could be had... it's just a matter of price.

Fuentes is a stud. Another fireballer. He'd be much more well known if he didn't pitch in Coors.

CashMan
11-16-2006, 02:49 PM
What if this is Buehrle's last year before becoming a Cardinal? Then for one year only, you use him in the best spot for the team regardless of salary. Just a thought.

More likely, Kenny is loading up on young power arms to make a run at Michael Young from Texas. I can hope anyhow!!!


Because he wore a Cards hat? Comeon, you can't really believe that!

KyWhiSoxFan
11-16-2006, 02:50 PM
I like this because it rids the bullpen of a huge problem. Cotts could not get anyone out anymore. The Sox get a hard-throwing, young reliever with potential in his place, and they were looking to pick up more power pitchers for the pen.

The Cubs get a fly ball pitcher in a hitter's park. LOL.

ZombieRob
11-16-2006, 02:52 PM
Ok i see some people say Haegar is in the mix..as of right now that gives the Sox 5 righties and 1 leftie ,with 1 more leftie needed for sure.Does this mean the Sox will carry 12 pitchers?

SABRSox
11-16-2006, 02:56 PM
I like this because it rids the bullpen of a huge problem. Cotts could not get anyone out anymore. The Sox get a hard-throwing, young reliever with potential in his place, and they were looking to pick up more power pitchers for the pen.

The Cubs get a fly ball pitcher in a hitter's park. LOL.

The more I think about it, the more I get it. The Sox need flamethrowers that can blow hitters away, because Ozzie doesn't really know how to manage a bullpen. It's probably best to get guys that throw it up around 100, that are interchangeable, and who can be plugged into any situation without impunity, because that's what Ozzie is going to do.

FedEx227
11-16-2006, 02:58 PM
We could definitely use a bit of a change of pace reliever now. Not sure if Haeger can be that guy (the whole knuckleball/lack of throwing strikes)... but I like what we have going, lots of fireballers.

Damn we could've used Walker, but I'd like to see someone like a Kiko Calero come on over, or if we want to go all blazers do Gonzales and Fuentes.

lakeviewsoxfan
11-16-2006, 02:59 PM
160 replys to Neal Cotts being traded whats this place going to be like when some one of major significance gets dealt.

DaleJRFan
11-16-2006, 03:00 PM
160 replys to Neal Cotts being traded whats this place going to be like when some one of major significance gets dealt.

you haven't been here very long, have you?? I remember the 16 page thread about a Matt Clement rumor. Just wait for the Carl Crawford clubhouse thread...

FedEx227
11-16-2006, 03:04 PM
Was that Tejada that we had two years? I remember some rumor thread literally had like 45 pages.

lakeviewsoxfan
11-16-2006, 03:06 PM
I remember Soriano this summer had Like 500 postings

FedEx227
11-16-2006, 03:07 PM
I remember Soriano this summer had Like 500 postings

Yeah the one I'm thinking of was 2005 offseason rumor that was just ridiculous.

DaleJRFan
11-16-2006, 03:07 PM
We could definitely use a bit of a change of pace reliever now. Not sure if Haeger can be that guy (the whole knuckleball/lack of throwing strikes)... but I like what we have going, lots of fireballers.

Damn we could've used Walker, but I'd like to see someone like a Kiko Calero come on over, or if we want to go all blazers do Gonzales and Fuentes.

do you mean Kevin Walker??? Texas let him go.. so he's a free agent :redneck

champagne030
11-16-2006, 03:10 PM
The more I think about it, the more I get it. The Sox need flamethrowers that can blow hitters away, because Ozzie doesn't really know how to manage a bullpen. It's probably best to get guys that throw it up around 100, that are interchangeable, and who can be plugged into any situation without impunity, because that's what Ozzie is going to do.

:yup: :thumbsup:

FedEx227
11-16-2006, 03:13 PM
do you mean Kevin Walker??? Texas let him go.. so he's a free agent :redneck

As long as he brings Vic Darensbourg and Mike Jackson with him.

ZombieRob
11-16-2006, 03:17 PM
So now with the 5 righties we have current the Sox are going to carry 12 ?Whos the odd man out on the bench if the Sox decide to do that?

Fuller_Schettman
11-16-2006, 03:18 PM
You heard it here first: The Flubs will make Neil Cotts their closer.

Reminds me of the great Ford Fairlane quote: "Who are you two, Neil & Bob- or is that what you do!"

http://www.nndb.com/people/409/000022343/adclay-med.jpg

FedEx227
11-16-2006, 03:20 PM
You heard it here first: The Flubs will make Neil Cotts their closer.

I could actually see the move to him starting being their first move.

Britt Burns
11-16-2006, 03:23 PM
Good luck Neil...after last year I can't say I am heartbroken to see him gone, but to the Flubs? Ouch.

CWSpalehoseCWS
11-16-2006, 03:26 PM
I'm just finding this out now, and I'm not even sure what to think. Is this minor league guy any good?

StatHead21
11-16-2006, 03:30 PM
Aardsma had a lower ERA last season and had a higher strike out rate than Neil, could be a great deal for the Sox if Coop can work his magic with Aardsma.

INSox56
11-16-2006, 03:32 PM
Aardsma had a lower ERA last season and had a higher strike out rate than Neil,

as could I have, not sure what that might mean.... haha :wink:

ilsox7
11-16-2006, 03:34 PM
It's Neal.

A good friend of mine, a good Cub fan, isn't too happy unless this is a precursor to another deal for them. He was really high on Aardsma and fears Cotts as their #3 or #4.

soxchick20
11-16-2006, 03:40 PM
Good luck to him, but I must say I wasn't too hurt by the news. After last years performance, its not a shock. Hope Aardsma and Vasquez bring it.

DaleJRFan
11-16-2006, 03:43 PM
It's Neal.

A good friend of mine, a good Cub fan, isn't too happy unless this is a precursor to another deal for them. He was really high on Aardsma and fears Cotts as their #3 or #4.

Jim Hendry eluded to this on his 670 interview after the trade was announced...

"We like that he can start and come out of the bullpen and be effective."

I guess Hendry never saw any of Cotts' starts.

KW does it again.

Scots-Sox
11-16-2006, 03:47 PM
As they kept saying in Major League "these guys are ****ty"

For goodness sake, what's going on here Kenny ???????????????????????????

jenn2080
11-16-2006, 03:48 PM
Jim Hendry eluded to this on his 670 interview after the trade was announced...

"We like that he can start and come out of the bullpen and be effective."

I guess Hendry never saw any of Cotts' starts.

KW does it again.



:rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

Iwritecode
11-16-2006, 03:48 PM
160 replys to Neal Cotts being traded whats this place going to be like when some one of major significance gets dealt.

You should see us when we get talking about tomatoes. :wink:

CHIsoxNation
11-16-2006, 03:50 PM
What is up with all of this "Coop's magic" talk? Yah, he's probably one of the best pitching coach's in the league if not all of MLB but too many people assume that if given a project type pitcher, he'll be able to turn them into a cy young candidate.

As far as Contreras goes, someone just needed to instill some confidence in the guy. The guy was a head case in NY, he needed to get out, relax, have fun and perform like he did in Cuba. I doubt Coop really messed with his mechanics all that much, he and Ozzie basically made sure his head was on straight, pointed out the tipped pitches, and gave him that confidence he needed. Same goes for Thorton.

What happened to Coop's magic on Vazquez or Politte? Again, he's a fantastic baseball coach, not a miracle worker so lets not jump the gun too soon.

Here's hoping Coop and Ozzie can help develop him into a key addition to our club. :gulp:

soxfan13
11-16-2006, 03:51 PM
You heard it here first: The Flubs will make Neil Cotts their closer.

Reminds me of the great Ford Fairlane quote: "Who are you two, Neil & Bob- or is that what you do!"

http://www.nndb.com/people/409/000022343/adclay-med.jpg

:kneeslap: :kneeslap: nope I think he will be a starter for them. They already have Wood and Dempster for their closers.

DaleJRFan
11-16-2006, 04:00 PM
What is up with all of this "Coop's magic" talk? Yah, he's probably one of the best pitching coach's in the league if not all of MLB but too many people assume that if given a project type pitcher, he'll be able to turn them into a cy young candidate.

As far as Contreras goes, someone just needed to instill some confidence in the guy. The guy was a head case in NY, he needed to get out, relax, have fun and perform like he did in Cuba. I doubt Coop really messed with his mechanics all that much, he and Ozzie basically made sure his head was on straight, pointed out the tipped pitches, and gave him that confidence he needed. Same goes for Thorton.

What happened to Coop's magic on Vazquez or Politte? Again, he's a fantastic baseball coach, not a miracle worker so lets not jump the gun too soon.

Here's hoping Coop and Ozzie can help develop him into a key addition to our club. :gulp:

so you diss us all for suggesting that Cooper could help Aardsma make a mechanical adjustment to aid his control, just as he did with Contreras' arm angle, Thornton's stride, Vazquez's pivot foot... then your last sentence is "Here's hoping Coop and Ozzie can help develop him into a key addition to our club."

I don't get it. :?:

oeo
11-16-2006, 04:01 PM
What is up with all of this "Coop's magic" talk? Yah, he's probably one of the best pitching coach's in the league if not all of MLB but too many people assume that if given a project type pitcher, he'll be able to turn them into a cy young candidate.

As far as Contreras goes, someone just needed to instill some confidence in the guy. The guy was a head case in NY, he needed to get out, relax, have fun and perform like he did in Cuba. I doubt Coop really messed with his mechanics all that much, he and Ozzie basically made sure his head was on straight, pointed out the tipped pitches, and gave him that confidence he needed. Same goes for Thorton.

What happened to Coop's magic on Vazquez or Politte? Again, he's a fantastic baseball coach, not a miracle worker so lets not jump the gun too soon.

Here's hoping Coop and Ozzie can help develop him into a key addition to our club. :gulp:

How long did it take Contreras, in a Sox uniform, to finally become a great starter? Over a year. I still think Vazquez is going to turn his career around...he showed a ton of promise nearing the end of the season.

Thornton: Kenny said after he acquired him that Coop wanted him for a long time; so it was more than just confidence.

As for Politte...he's just a mediocre pitcher; always has been, always will be. You're right, he's not a miracle worker, Politte would have been a miracle. Give him a guy with the stuff to succeed in the league, and yes, he can turn their career around.

Palehose13
11-16-2006, 04:07 PM
I must be missing something. There is nothing good looking about him.

I bet if we had a poll for the ladies, Cotts vs. Anderson in regards to looks Cotts would win in a landslide. My girlfriend and I both think Cotts is very attractive.

pauliemyhero14
11-16-2006, 04:09 PM
i cant wait to tell my sister this because here 2 favorite players on the sox were podsednik and cotts. she is going to be pissed

WizardsofOzzie
11-16-2006, 04:12 PM
I bet if we had a poll for the ladies, Cotts vs. Anderson in regards to looks Cotts would win in a landslide. My girlfriend and I both think Cotts is very attractive.
Don't forget about Garland. Women love that guy.

CHIsoxNation
11-16-2006, 04:17 PM
so you diss us all for suggesting that Cooper could help Aardsma make a mechanical adjustment to aid his control, just as he did with Contreras' arm angle, Thornton's stride, Vazquez's pivot foot... then your last sentence is "Here's hoping Coop and Ozzie can help develop him into a key addition to our club."

I don't get it. :?:

Yah sorry, that's a bit misleading.

It's just do you honestly think that all of the things you pointed out above are things that Coop could figure out that pitching coach's for their prior teams couldn't? For the most part, all of the guys above were veterans and it doesn't take much to see a few minor flaws in their mechanics here and there. Stuff probably any pitching coach could see.

But at least with Aardsma, the kid is young and still has a lot of room for development in this league. I don't think there is much to "fix" with a kid like this or he needs much "Cooper Magic", just things you need to develop with him and experience and confidence should help do that.

Sorry if it doesn't make much sense. I just think that a lot of people expect way too much from Cooper.

GAsoxfan
11-16-2006, 04:19 PM
Why are people (including the Sox) so sold on Thorton? He is a guy with average to awful numbers up until last year. Now he is the greatest thing since sliced bread after 2006. Well this same situation played out with Cotts after 2005. Cotts' biggest problem last year was the home run. He went form giving up just 1 in 2005 to 12 in 2006.
Thorton dropped from 13 in 2005 (with half his games in Safeco) to just 5 in 2006. Who is to say that he won't allow more homeruns next year while Cotts will trend back to the middle of his numbers (say right around 5).



Cotts 2004 numbers look similar to his 2006 numbers. He had a 5.65 ERA, 1.40 WHIP and gave up 13 homers. I think 2005 was an aberration and the 2004/2006 version of Cotts is close to what he'll be in the future.

I'm a little indifferent about this trade. Not that great, not that bad. I think the guys the Sox got have a higher ceiling though. Hopefully it works out as well as the last Sox/Cubs trade.

southside rocks
11-16-2006, 04:19 PM
I bet if we had a poll for the ladies, Cotts vs. Anderson in regards to looks Cotts would win in a landslide. My girlfriend and I both think Cotts is very attractive.

Cotts would win because he is not only handsome, but he looks like he has on occasion had a thought in his head. Looks + intelligence > looks alone.

Just a view from the ladies' seats, here. :redface:

Minnie Me
11-16-2006, 04:21 PM
Amazing 190 posts on Cotts. Imagine if the Sox pull a real blockbuster trade!

Palehose13
11-16-2006, 04:23 PM
Don't forget about Garland. Women love that guy.

I picked Anderson cause that is who Jenn fawns over. :cool:

Baby Fisk
11-16-2006, 04:25 PM
Amazing 190 posts on Cotts. Imagine if the Sox pull a real blockbuster trade!
We eagerly await your analysis of the trade, little dude.

goon
11-16-2006, 04:28 PM
from what i hear about this guy, i like him. time for a sig update... or at least until he gets traded in a blockbuster deal for michael young. [halfteal]

DoItForDanPasqua
11-16-2006, 04:30 PM
Kerry Wood: Welcome to the team Neil, what the hell is that on your finger?

Neal Cotts: Thanks, glad to be here, and that's just a ring I'm wearing.

Kerry Wood: What kind of ring is that, I've never seen anything like it?

Neal Cotts: It's a World Series ring.

Kerry Wood: What's a World Series, is that like a rodeo or NASCAR or something?

KRS1
11-16-2006, 04:30 PM
Like last offseason I will start my "give the job to Reynoso" post.


Ive mentioned this several times. He's got nasty stuff for sure, mid 90's fastball with some life, and a wicked slurve. Now if Coop can harness him and get him with more consistency, we'd be good as gold with 5 guys throwing in the mid-upper 90's.

Anybody know what kind of stuff Vasquez has? Ive searched all over BA and other places, to no avail. Sorry if it's been mentioned, but I got tired of reading the same thing over and over again by page six.

ShoelessJoeS
11-16-2006, 04:31 PM
I think chisoxfanatic and soxfanreggie are feeling the same as me right now.

CPditka
11-16-2006, 04:32 PM
Does anyone else think the cubs did this deal as a precursor to a bigger deal as well. There were already tons of rumors about a cubs trade with the indians for westbrook with cubs sending jones+bullpen guy to clevealnd. I think the indians wanted cotts, or at least some sort of proven left hand releiver and thats what this trade is all about. I also think AArdsma is a pick up for KW to explore spinning in another deal but also knows if we talk him to spring training he can be a factor in our pen.

CLR01
11-16-2006, 04:32 PM
I bet if we had a poll for the ladies, Cotts vs. Anderson in regards to looks Cotts would win in a landslide. My girlfriend and I both think Cotts is very attractive.


Who cares which players are hot. Lets try to stay on topic ladies. :rolleyes: :wink:

Kerry Wood: Welcome to the team Neil, what the hell is that on your finger?

Neil Cotts: Thanks, glad to be here, and that's just a ring I'm wearing.

Kerry Wood: What kind of ring is that, I've never seen anything like it?

Neil Cotts: It's a World Series ring.

Kerry Wood: What's a World Series, is that like a rodeo or something?


Who the hell is Neil? Diamond?

itsnotrequired
11-16-2006, 04:33 PM
Amazing 190 posts on Cotts. Imagine if the Sox pull a real blockbuster trade!

This thread (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=42708) got 777 posts before the mods closed it.

OzzyTrain
11-16-2006, 04:33 PM
Amazing 190 posts on Cotts. Imagine if the Sox pull a real blockbuster trade!

Wait, its coming.

buehrle4cy05
11-16-2006, 04:39 PM
http://146.145.120.3/default.asp?c=detnews&page=minorbase/news/BQN3830462.htm

According to this, Vazquez was suspended for violating the drug policy.

Note to self...do not read posts at the bottom of a thread before reading the ones at the top. I thought Javy was suspended.:o:

caulfield12
11-16-2006, 04:42 PM
Simple.
Aardsma replaces Riske in the 5/6 spot.

White Sox have to go out and get another lefty, as Phillips, Logan, Malone and all the other lefty scrubs are not going into the season with much of a chance to make the pen in the last spot, especially after Logan's injury in Venezuela.

Speaking of Logan, has anyone seen an update on him? Just know that he was shut down. Not sure if it was mean to be temporary or long-term.

Hopefully Aardsma's "slurve" is better than Damaso's or Neal's!!!

Cuck_The_Fubs
11-16-2006, 04:45 PM
We should have kept Cotts regardless of what he did in 2006

Chisox003
11-16-2006, 04:48 PM
We should have kept Cotts regardless of what he did in 2006
Excellent logic, as always. :rolleyes:

OzzyTrain
11-16-2006, 04:49 PM
We should have kept Cotts regardless of what he did in 2006

Yeah and Clifford, since they proformed great in 2005. Can't believe people still doubt Kenny, just wait.... just wait.

ZombieRob
11-16-2006, 04:52 PM
Simple.
Aardsma replaces Riske in the 5/6 spot.

White Sox have to go out and get another lefty, as Phillips, Logan, Malone and all the other lefty scrubs are not going into the season with much of a chance to make the pen in the last spot, especially after Logan's injury in Venezuela.

Speaking of Logan, has anyone seen an update on him? Just know that he was shut down. Not sure if it was mean to be temporary or long-term.

Hopefully Aardsma's "slurve" is better than Damaso's or Neal's!!!

ive asked this question twice before without a response and i think its a legit question..Now with Aardsma and Haeger and the Sox needing 1 more leftie reliever ,are they going to carry 12 pitchers .and if so whos the odd man out on the bench?

DaleJRFan
11-16-2006, 04:53 PM
No one saw this trade coming. We all knew Cotts was a gone goose. But, Aardsma was not on anyone's speculation list. This trade does one thing (other than improving the team)... proves that all this trade speculation is bunk.

spiffie
11-16-2006, 04:54 PM
ive asked this question twice before without a response and i think its a legit question..Now with Aardsma and Haeger and the Sox needing 1 more leftie reliever ,are they going to carry 12 pitchers .and if so whos the odd man out on the bench?
No one has promised Haeger a spot in the bullpen. He might get one, in which case I imagine they would move somebody. But for now I would say the only guaranteed bullpen spots are Jenks, Thorton, MacDougal, and if he stays Aardsma.

CLR01
11-16-2006, 04:58 PM
No one saw this trade coming. We all knew Cotts was a gone goose. But, Aardsma was not on anyone's speculation list. This trade does one thing (other than improving the team)... proves that all this trade speculation is bunk.


So we're not getting Manny? Damn...:whiner:

Cuck the Fubs
11-16-2006, 05:00 PM
Thanks for 2005 Mr. Cotts.

Good luck on the hapless North side.............

Kenny has just begun so sit tight!

soxwon
11-16-2006, 05:01 PM
David Aardsma Right Hander. I guess he throws heat. High career era.


3-0 beat fla-colo-dodgers
4-0 lifetime never lost a major league game thats pretty cool
throws heat great trade for us.

SoxFan64
11-16-2006, 05:01 PM
ive asked this question twice before without a response and i think its a legit question..Now with Aardsma and Haeger and the Sox needing 1 more leftie reliever ,are they going to carry 12 pitchers .and if so whos the odd man out on the bench?

Who are your twelve? I am counting eleven (assuming Aardsma replaces Riske).

Dolanski
11-16-2006, 05:01 PM
If anything was proved last season, its that bullpens are a total crapshoot season to season. Cotts was awesome in 05, terrible in 06. Not to mention Politte, Hermy, et al. With the way baseball is, overturning the bullpen year to year is a good thing.

Even so, I always like Neal. He lives in Chicago year round, he seemed to have heart and guts for a little guy, and he had one of the sweetest baseball hat mullets around.

Aardvark seemed to be OK last season, and moving to a team that has won a WS in the past century can't hurt. I say let the Aardvark era begin.

ZombieRob
11-16-2006, 05:07 PM
Who are your twelve? I am counting eleven (assuming Aardsma replaces Riske).

Your right i miscounted ....

Beautox
11-16-2006, 05:11 PM
Simple.
Aardsma replaces Riske in the 5/6 spot.

White Sox have to go out and get another lefty, as Phillips, Logan, Malone and all the other lefty scrubs are not going into the season with much of a chance to make the pen in the last spot, especially after Logan's injury in Venezuela.

Speaking of Logan, has anyone seen an update on him? Just know that he was shut down. Not sure if it was mean to be temporary or long-term.

Hopefully Aardsma's "slurve" is better than Damaso's or Neal's!!!

I'm a big Logan fan, and hes not a "scrub", neither is Phillips. A scrub doesn't SO 57 in 42.2IP at AAA as their closer after making the jump for single A, and he also doesn't SO 5 in 2.1IP against a very good hitting Cleveland team(05/02/06). Logan wasn't ready this past year, but KW and Coop are going to give him every chance to make the team out of ST to be the LOOGY. Logan's stuff > Cotts. They both have the deceptive delivery but Logan unlike Neal actually has a good secondary pitch; and sits between 90-93 on his FB sometimes touching 94. Logan was shut down because he felt a twinge, he should be ready to throw by ST. I think we're seeing the pen as is.

Jenks, MacDougal, Thornton, Aardsma, Logan, Haeger

Aardsma looks like hes going to be Thornton 2.0 only with better secondary pitches. He seemed to turn it around near the end of the season too (8/20 - 10/01): 24 1/3 IP / 1.85 ERA / 26 K / 11 BB / 1 HR / 9.6 K/9 / 2.36 K/BB

KW isn't going to pay 10/3 for a LOOGY its not going to happen, and i don't see him spending 3/15 on Speier.

Another thing to keep in mind.

RHP Jenks 26 under our control till '11
RHP MacDougal 29 under our control till '09
LHP Thornton 30 under our control till '10
RHP Aardsma 24 under our control till '11
LHP Logan 22 under our control till '13
RHP Haeger 23 under our control till '13

KW has built a very cheap deep BP congrats. Also we now have 3 1st round picks in our BP (MacDougal,Thornton & Aadsma)

tlebar318
11-16-2006, 05:12 PM
Good Luck on the North Side fellow ISU Alumni...Thanks for the help in 2005!

ilsox7
11-16-2006, 05:14 PM
Logan wasn't ready this past year, but KW and Coop are going to give him every chance to make the team out of ST to be the LOOGY.

Not sure about this. It has been reported a few times over the last several months that the Sox were not happy with Logan's "big league" attitude this year.

caulfield12
11-16-2006, 05:16 PM
ive asked this question twice before without a response and i think its a legit question..Now with Aardsma and Haeger and the Sox needing 1 more leftie reliever ,are they going to carry 12 pitchers .and if so whos the odd man out on the bench?


Ozuna, Cintron, Gload or Rob Mack (if Anderson is sacrificed) might be gone....but we don't really need 12 relievers with the number of innings our rotation has put up the last two years.

The big problem last year was the 5-7th inning relief, something 25 teams in baseball don't have much of, with the exceptions of Detroit and Minnesota in our division. The Indians can't even find a closer, let alone set-up and long-relief.

The Twins went five deep with Nathan, Rincon, Reyes, Crain and Neshek...five quality pitchers. And they had another starter/reliever at the end of the season who looked promising, can't remember his name off the top of my head.

Whether it's a LOOGY or another power righty, they really need one more pitcher. Myers would have been perfect last year (very similar to Wunsch) but it just didn't work out with KW and years/money.

Beautox
11-16-2006, 05:18 PM
Not sure about this. It has been reported a few times over the last several months that the Sox were not happy with Logan's "big league" attitude this year.

Yeah i read that to, i think from a Mark Gonzales article. I take what Mark says with a grain of salt, he still thinks Owens is going to be an everday player and that he can contend for CF in ST.

ilsox7
11-16-2006, 05:19 PM
Yeah i read that to, i think from a Mark Gonzales article. I take what Mark says with a grain of salt, he still thinks Owens is going to be an everday player and that he can contend for CF in ST.

He's not the only one who has said it. When Logan was sent down to Charlotte, there were plenty of whispers from there that he came there with a bad attitude. And pissed the organization off. So who knows what happens with him.

Steelrod
11-16-2006, 05:20 PM
Neal will love the north side. It leaves his evenings open...

Chw2007
11-16-2006, 05:21 PM
i liked cotts, he has great potential to be an awesome starter or a setup man. he was setup man of the year in 2005 when he had a 1.99 ERA. I think Aardsma is okay but i really don't think he's any better than neal. cotts just had a really bad second half. i think KW acted a little too quickly on this one. i would hate to see neal succeed on the north side

caulfield12
11-16-2006, 05:21 PM
I'm a big Logan fan, and hes not a "scrub", neither is Phillips. A scrub doesn't SO 57 in 42.2IP at AAA as their closer after making the jump for single A, and he also doesn't SO 5 in 2.1IP against a very good hitting Cleveland team(05/02/06). Logan wasn't ready this past year, but KW and Coop are going to give him every chance to make the team out of ST to be the LOOGY. Logan's stuff > Cotts. They both have the deceptive delivery but Logan unlike Neal actually has a good secondary pitch; and sits between 90-93 on his FB sometimes touching 94. Logan was shut down because he felt a twinge, he should be ready to throw by ST. I think we're seeing the pen as is.

Jenks, MacDougal, Thornton, Aardsma, Logan, Haeger

Aardsma looks like hes going to be Thornton 2.0 only with better secondary pitches. He seemed to turn it around near the end of the season too (8/20 - 10/01): 24 1/3 IP / 1.85 ERA / 26 K / 11 BB / 1 HR / 9.6 K/9 / 2.36 K/BB

KW isn't going to pay 10/3 for a LOOGY its not going to happen, and i don't see him spending 3/15 on Speier.

Another thing to keep in mind.

RHP Jenks 26 under our control till '11
RHP MacDougal 29 under our control till '09
LHP Thornton 30 under our control till '10
RHP Aardsma 24 under our control till '11
LHP Logan 22 under our control till '13
RHP Haeger 23 under our control till '13

KW has built a very cheap deep BP congrats. Also we now have 3 1st round picks in our BP (MacDougal,Thornton & Aadsma)

I would be pleasantly surprised if Aardsma's season (coming off a 4+ ERA in the NL) can be considered close to approximating Thornton's, because it would mean he would have supplanted MacDougal in the pen...OR...MacDougal is again injured and KW has to move him back to set-up.

This is why KW needs to add one more pitcher....MacDougal's injury history is not promising. I think he does this with the trade of one of the starters. Someone along the lines of a Heileman, Maine or Wainright...

Hitmen77
11-16-2006, 05:21 PM
I think we're seeing the pen as is.

Jenks, MacDougal, Thornton, Aardsma, Logan, Haeger




I don't think we'll see Logan in the pen to start '07. One possibility is that the Sox will pick up a reliever as part of the much-expected trade in which we unload one of our starting pitchers.

Beautox
11-16-2006, 05:26 PM
He's not the only one who has said it. When Logan was sent down to Charlotte, there were plenty of whispers from there that he came there with a bad attitude. And pissed the organization off. So who knows what happens with him.

I don't believe the hype, if that was the case why would the organization thats supposedly down on him for his attitude bring him up for an audition for the LOOGY role? seeing how Neal couldn't have gotten any worse after the ASB(9.87 ERA / 17.1 IP / 14 BB / 13 K / 7 HR / .420 BAA). Further more in ST before Logan broke camp with the big club KW had nothing but praise for his character, saying that even if Logan didn't cut it right away with the Sox, his confidence wouldn't be shot if he had to go down to AAA to get more seasoning.

ilsox7
11-16-2006, 05:30 PM
I don't believe the hype, if that was the case why would the organization thats supposedly down on him for his attitude bring him up for an audition for the LOOGY role? seeing how Neal couldn't have gotten any worse after the ASB(9.87 ERA / 17.1 IP / 14 BB / 13 K / 7 HR / .420 BAA). Further more in ST before Logan broke camp with the big club KW had nothing but praise for his character, saying that even if Logan didn't cut it right away with the Sox, his confidence wouldn't be shot if he had to go down to AAA to get more seasoning.

I'm not syaing he is done with the organization or on his way out the door. However, a bad attitude is not something KW or Ozzie seem to put up with. If the reports are correct, I would not be surprised at all if he is not in the plans for 2007 and beyond. I think it's way too early to have him penciled in as a part of the bullpen next year. In fact, I'd say chances are better he won't be there, but who knows.

CPditka
11-16-2006, 05:33 PM
Lets not forget that sometimes bolstering a bullpen is done by simply getting quality arms that no one has ever seen before, pitchers that swtich leagues and such. My point is in reference to the monster numbers Hermy put up in 2005 after coming to the AL after spending all that time in the NL. I mean the guy had like 0.00 era into June for heavens sake thats ridicolous. It seemed at the time that he hadnt gotton around the league enough at that point for hitters to get a good appraoch on him. I think the same could happen with Aardsma, its worth a shot to get Neal cant a hold a lead cotts outta here.

October26
11-16-2006, 05:36 PM
i liked cotts, he has great potential to be an awesome starter or a setup man. he was setup man of the year in 2005 when he had a 1.99 ERA. I think Aardsma is okay but i really don't think he's any better than neal. cotts just had a really bad second half. i think KW acted a little too quickly on this one. i would hate to see neal succeed on the north side

I respect your opinion but let's wait and see what happens. You make a good point about 2005, but don't forget the bad year that Cotts had in 2006. I'm not impressed with what we got back in this trade, but I trust Kenny and believe he knows what he is doing. Kenny is just getting started. As someone else said, sit tight and let's see what happens.

munchman33
11-16-2006, 05:41 PM
Anyone else think Cotts might have been acquired as a starting option for the cubs?

Beautox
11-16-2006, 05:41 PM
I would be pleasantly surprised if Aardsma's season (coming off a 4+ ERA in the NL) can be considered close to approximating Thornton's, because it would mean he would have supplanted MacDougal in the pen...OR...MacDougal is again injured and KW has to move him back to set-up.

This is why KW needs to add one more pitcher....MacDougal's injury history is not promising. I think he does this with the trade of one of the starters. Someone along the lines of a Heileman, Maine or Wainright...

first off its Heilman, secondly no thanks to him or Maine, Wainright thats a different story.

now onto Thornton vs. Aardsma. Thornton coming into '06 his ERA 5.21 in '05 and he nearly walked as many as he struck out 42BB/57SO in 57IP. Aardsma's '06 4.08ERA, 49SO/28BB in 53IP, David has the same velocity as Matt and better secondary pitches and as i posted near the end of last year started to figure it out a bit (8/20 - 10/01): 24 1/3 IP / 1.85 ERA / 26 K / 11 BB / 1 HR / 9.6 K/9 / 2.36 K/BB, factor in Coops ability to help power arms, and i think Aardsma in '07 could be as good as Thornton in '06 if not better, also David is alot younger than Matt.

Cuck_The_Fubs
11-16-2006, 05:43 PM
I'm a big Logan fan, and hes not a "scrub", neither is Phillips. A scrub doesn't SO 57 in 42.2IP at AAA as their closer after making the jump for single A, and he also doesn't SO 5 in 2.1IP against a very good hitting Cleveland team(05/02/06). Logan wasn't ready this past year, but KW and Coop are going to give him every chance to make the team out of ST to be the LOOGY. Logan's stuff > Cotts. They both have the deceptive delivery but Logan unlike Neal actually has a good secondary pitch; and sits between 90-93 on his FB sometimes touching 94. Logan was shut down because he felt a twinge, he should be ready to throw by ST. I think we're seeing the pen as is.

Jenks, MacDougal, Thornton, Aardsma, Logan, Haeger

Aardsma looks like hes going to be Thornton 2.0 only with better secondary pitches. He seemed to turn it around near the end of the season too (8/20 - 10/01): 24 1/3 IP / 1.85 ERA / 26 K / 11 BB / 1 HR / 9.6 K/9 / 2.36 K/BB

KW isn't going to pay 10/3 for a LOOGY its not going to happen, and i don't see him spending 3/15 on Speier.

Another thing to keep in mind.

RHP Jenks 26 under our control till '11
RHP MacDougal 29 under our control till '09
LHP Thornton 30 under our control till '10
RHP Aardsma 24 under our control till '11
LHP Logan 22 under our control till '13
RHP Haeger 23 under our control till '13

KW has built a very cheap deep BP congrats. Also we now have 3 1st round picks in our BP (MacDougal,Thornton & Aadsma)


Whoever puts a knuckleballer in the bullpen is insane......

Beautox
11-16-2006, 05:52 PM
Whoever puts a knuckleballer in the bullpen is insane......

People that believe a knuckleballer as the last man out of the pen to protect our power arms and SP can't succeed, need to come the realization that at 23yrs old Charlie has already made his ML debut and has command of one of the toughest classes of pitches. Hes also proven he can be effective out of the pen and on short rest.

Overall ERA W L SV SVO G GS CG IP H R ER HR BB SO AVG


As Reliever1.29101160014.07420717.146

thomas35forever
11-16-2006, 05:55 PM
Anyone else think Cotts might have been acquired as a starting option for the cubs?
I doubt it. The Cubs can do better than him (though I don't think they can).

Corlose 15
11-16-2006, 05:56 PM
Whoever puts a knuckleballer in the bullpen is insane......


Hoyt Wilhelm would tend to dissagree with you.

maurice
11-16-2006, 05:59 PM
What happened to Coop's magic on Vazquez or Politte?

I think Vazquez will be better next year. Give Coop some time.

As for Politte, Coop made him great in 2005, then he got injured.
Little known fact: Politte had surgery after the Sox released him.

My girlfriend and I both think Cotts is very attractive.

C'mon, that's about as relevant as my opinon on this issue. FWIW, Mrs./Dr. Maurice likes Anderson better than Cotts or even Pods!
:o:

mjmcend
11-16-2006, 06:05 PM
Hoyt Wilhelm would tend to dissagree with you.

So would Jim Bouton, and plenty of others.

Pierzynski 12
11-16-2006, 06:07 PM
David Aardsma?:puking:

serena
11-16-2006, 06:08 PM
Some more info on the prospect KW picked up from the Cub Reporter blog (http://www.all-baseball.com/cubreporter/):

The 23-year old Vasquez was a one-time member of the Cubs 40-man roster (2004-05) who underwent shoulder surgery in 2005 before returning to action as a LOOGY at AA last season. Vasquez was eligible to be a six-year minor league FA on October 15th, but he signed a minor league contract with the Cubs for 2007. Vasquez is currently pitching in the Venezuelan Winter League, and will be eligible for selection in next month’s Rule 5 Draft if he is not added to the White Sox 40-man roster by next Monday.

ondafarm
11-16-2006, 06:14 PM
With pitchers, one off season can either be a sign of trouble ahead or of another good season. I trust Coop to know the difference. I think the Flubs might want to try Cotts as a starter, he'd be better than some of their other options. Honestly, as of this news, I don't care. I tip my cap to Mr Cotts and wish him the best, but he is no longer a White Sox. End of story.

jsinaiko
11-16-2006, 06:28 PM
Cotts was expendable - and he had a really, really lousy year. High all the time (in the zone - although maybe in his head too). Aardsma may or may not make the team, but with the exceptions of Thornton, Jenks, and McDougal, the entore pen is up for grabs.

KW is just getting his engine warm - lots more to come.

Cuck_The_Fubs
11-16-2006, 06:29 PM
So would Jim Bouton, and plenty of others.


In a way, you cannot disagree with this fact. Kuckleballers are hit or miss, and ur bullpen simply cannt be that sporratic, PERIOD.

kevin57
11-16-2006, 06:32 PM
This could be a deal that backfires on the Sox, but I don't think keeping Cotts was much of an option. The guy became a mental case and I don't think that was going to change so long as he was on the Sox. Also, I'm sure that Coop thought there was not a whole lot more he could do to improve his performance. With a change in scenery, he may do better. Plus, living in Lincoln Park, he won't have to travel very far to work now.

gobears1987
11-16-2006, 06:32 PM
I won't believe that any such deal was made unless someone tells me that today is really Wednesday.

soxfanreggie
11-16-2006, 06:38 PM
I'm sad to see Neal not on the Sox anymore. Through our meetings he has always been quite a guy, but he's going to the North Side *shudder*

Neal, I will always support you except when you're playing the Sox. You're a Redbird first, and just remember where you got that World Series ring.

To David Aardsma, welcome to the Firehouse, where our bullpen is always serving up smoke!

The Critic
11-16-2006, 06:42 PM
Anyone else think Cotts might have been acquired as a starting option for the cubs?
Hendry does.
He referred to Cotts as a possible swingman.

Bernstein mentioned that the Sox bullpen is starting to resemble the Angels', with hard thrower after hard thrower.

Jjav829
11-16-2006, 06:44 PM
I won't believe that any such deal was made unless someone tells me that today is really Wednesday.

Wednesday was so last offseason. This offseason Kenny is going for White Sox Thursdays. Wednesday didn't work too well, so Kenny needed to change it up.:nod:

EndemicSox
11-16-2006, 06:51 PM
I like, in fact, I like this move alot. DA is young guy, first round pick in 2003, who has nasty stuff. His ERA/WHIP were solid last season.

siugrad25
11-16-2006, 07:36 PM
I didn't anticipate a trade of relief pitchers to generate this much talk. I guess I considered this a ho-hum trade, nothing of much relavance as Cotts was lights out two years ago, but awful last year and Aardsma hasn't lived up to his 'hype'. I'm also shocked ESPN.com put it up on their main page... I guess there's nothing else going on today in baseball outside of Santana.

whitesoxwilkes
11-16-2006, 07:43 PM
David Aardsma?:puking:

How long until we start calling him the Aardsvark?

EDIT: Crap, Dolanski already did.