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veeter
11-15-2006, 10:27 AM
While everyone is rightfuly fawning over Carl Crawford, Kenny should flank the baseball world, trading Vasquez and Anderson for Rocco Baldelli. The Sox could pick up a fairly large portion of Javy's salary. Baldelli is still very young, but established. Then Owens/ Fields slide to left. The Sox instantly become very fast. Baldelli is signed through 2008 at 3/mil yr. He has options for '09,'10, and '11. Hermy has the best chance at keeping Baldelli healthy. I love Brian but, to me, this makes sense for both clubs. Although, the Rays would probably want MB or McCarthy instead. Garland is out of the question.

lakeviewsoxfan
11-15-2006, 10:31 AM
Baldelli is an injury waiting to happen, but when healthy the guy is a solid player.

veeter
11-15-2006, 10:36 AM
In '03 and '04 he averaged approx. 140 games played. Then he hurt himself playing wiffle ball and missed 2005 and part of last year. So really, I would call that a freak injury. And, again, I truly believe in the powers of Hermy.

Ol' No. 2
11-15-2006, 10:43 AM
While everyone is rightfuly fawning over Carl Crawford, Kenny should flank the baseball world, trading Vasquez and Anderson for Rocco Baldelli. The Sox could pick up a fairly large portion of Javy's salary. Baldelli is still very young, but established. Then Owens/ Fields slide to left. The Sox instantly become very fast. Baldelli is signed through 2008 at 3/mil yr. He has options for '09,'10, and '11. Hermy has the best chance at keeping Baldelli healthy. I love Brian but, to me, this makes sense for both clubs. Although, the Rays would probably want MB or McCarthy instead. Garland is out of the question.Admittedly, I've only seen Baldelli playing CF a few times, but when I did see him he made Rob Mackowiak look like Willie Mays.

veeter
11-15-2006, 10:47 AM
Nobody is worse than Rob. Baldelli is pretty damn good. I'm not sure about the game you saw. Were his routes bad?

SABRSox
11-15-2006, 10:50 AM
If we're trading Vasquez and Anderson to TB, we'd better be getting Crawford in return.

soxfan13
11-15-2006, 10:53 AM
Nobody is worse than Rob. Baldelli is pretty damn good. I'm not sure about the game you saw. Were his routes bad?

Bad reads on the balls:tongue:

veeter
11-15-2006, 10:54 AM
From everything I've read, the perception is that it would take much more than Javy and Anderson, to get Crawford. But hey, if that would land him, great.

spiffie
11-15-2006, 10:59 AM
Take it with a large grain of salt, but the report on ESPN about teams looking at Baldelli is that the Rays want multiple major-league ready players for him. That sounds like 3 or more. No thanks, no way, no deal Howie!

Ol' No. 2
11-15-2006, 10:59 AM
Nobody is worse than Rob. Baldelli is pretty damn good. I'm not sure about the game you saw. Were his routes bad?This one (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/wrap.jsp?ymd=20060830&content_id=1636652&vkey=wrapup2005&fext=.jsp&team=home) comes to mind. The ball was an easy fly that bounced right off his glove. He had several other horrible reads, one that should have been a routine catch that sailed over his head.

veeter
11-15-2006, 11:03 AM
You know, I remember that game. He WAS bad. But I'd still love to have him. But if what Spiffie says is being reported, is true. Fugetaboutit.

chisoxmike
11-15-2006, 11:06 AM
If we're trading Vasquez and Anderson to TB, we'd better be getting Crawford in return.

Word.

Mickster
11-15-2006, 12:28 PM
Take it with a large grain of salt, but the report on ESPN about teams looking at Baldelli is that the Rays want multiple major-league ready players for him. That sounds like 3 or more. No thanks, no way, no deal Howie!

Multiple MLB prospects, not multiple players off a MLB roster - at least that is how I understood it.

spiffie
11-15-2006, 12:31 PM
Multiple MLB prospects, not multiple players off a MLB roster - at least that is how I understood it.
Oh, I agree, but still, the way I read that is they would be looking for something along the lines of Sweeney, Fields, Anderson, or Sweeney, Fields, Owens, which is still ridiculous overpayment.

crazyozzie02
11-15-2006, 12:57 PM
Im not a really big fan of Crawford and i think that he is overrated espically looking at the players that we would have to give up. Ive seen Rocco play live at least 5 times and i thought that he was pretty good.

Fake Chet Lemon
11-15-2006, 01:03 PM
You really think they want to take on Vazquez's contract????

maurice
11-15-2006, 02:38 PM
While everyone is rightfuly fawning over Carl Crawford, Kenny should flank the baseball world, trading Vasquez and Anderson for Rocco Baldelli. The Sox could pick up a fairly large portion of Javy's salary.

I wouldn't trade either player for Baldelli straight up, much less Vazquez AND Anderson AND cash. Baldelli is a huge injury risk, and there probably are many superior oprions on the market.

veeter
11-15-2006, 03:09 PM
You really think they want to take on Vazquez's contract????
Read my thread. It says we could pay some of his salary.

Fake Chet Lemon
11-15-2006, 03:18 PM
Read my thread. It says we could pay some of his salary.

My bad there.

I don't think Kenny has the payroll to do that anyway. It's already at $99Mil and some guys are do for a raise. We pay Thome's full salary this year. Kenny needs to dump a pitcher to free up some payroll.

lakeviewsoxfan
11-15-2006, 03:31 PM
My bad there.

I don't think Kenny has the payroll to do that anyway. It's already at $99Mil and some guys are do for a raise. We pay Thome's full salary this year. Kenny needs to dump a pitcher to free up some payroll.

I think Philly sent over 21MM to cover 7mm per year of Big Jims contract I think the Sox obligation to Thome is 8MM anyone??

Beautox
11-15-2006, 03:45 PM
I think Philly sent over 21MM to cover 7mm per year of Big Jims contract I think the Sox obligation to Thome is 8MM anyone??

Jim Thome 1b
6 years/$85M (2003-08), plus $13M 2009 club option

acquired in trade 11/05, with the Phillies paying $22M to the White Sox as part of the deal
$10M signing bonus (paid in 4 installments of $2.5M, 2003-06)
03:$9.5M, 04:$10.5M, 05:$11.5M, 06:$12.5M, 07:$14M, 08:$14M, 09:$13M ($3M buyout)
$50,000 All Star incentive
signed as a free agent 12/02
3 years/$21M (1999-2001), plus $7.5M 2002 club option (picked up)
$3.5M signing bonus
99:$7M, 00:$7M, 01:$7M, 02:$7.5M club option
MVP incentive: $0.5M for 1st or 2nd, $0.4M for 3rd or 4th, $0.3M for 5th or 6th, $0.2M for 7th-15th
agent: Pat Rooney
ML service: 13.042

INSox56
11-15-2006, 03:53 PM
Insanity....he's not that insanely much better than Anderson could be or even is now. Why would you ever give up Anderson AND pitching for...basically a swap? Anderson for Baldelli is all I'd take from our roster.

veeter
11-15-2006, 04:11 PM
Insanity....he's not that insanely much better than Anderson could be or even is now. Why would you ever give up Anderson AND pitching for...basically a swap? Anderson for Baldelli is all I'd take from our roster.I may be way off on what we give up. I guess, I do think Baldelli is much better. He's only one year older than Anderson and is very fast. He's about a .280 career hitter and has hit 16 homers twice. I like Brian and want him to stay, but if he's not going to get a fair shake here, with Ozzie, I'd like this trade.

mrwag
11-15-2006, 04:39 PM
Personally, the only thing I'd trade for is pitching, specifically bullpen pitching. I'd trade a starter for some GOOD bullpen arms. Otherwise, I like the team. As has been stated many times, BA, Pods and/or Uribe didn't cost us a trip to the playoffs. The pitching did.

Are there improvements that could be made in LF, CF, SS? Yes. It's just not a NEED in my opinion, especially with $$$ in the equation. Our guys played solid D, scored a lot of runs, and played well enough to win. It all boiled down to pitching.

veeter
11-15-2006, 04:54 PM
Personally, the only thing I'd trade for is pitching, specifically bullpen pitching. I'd trade a starter for some GOOD bullpen arms. Otherwise, I like the team. As has been stated many times, BA, Pods and/or Uribe didn't cost us a trip to the playoffs. The pitching did.

Are there improvements that could be made in LF, CF, SS? Yes. It's just not a NEED in my opinion, especially with $$$ in the equation. Our guys played solid D, scored a lot of runs, and played well enough to win. It all boiled down to pitching.
I agree with you, it was the pitching. Although I think Pods needs to go. This idea was just a brainstorm. I say we get Baldelli AND a reliever, then.

Cuck_The_Fubs
11-15-2006, 05:06 PM
Screw Baldelli, lets get Arow

ondafarm
11-15-2006, 05:28 PM
The Devil Rays seem to believe that if you have enough offense, the defense doesn't matter. Or perhaps, if you have any offense, it'll balance out what poor defense lets in. Judging from their record, I'd say trading for players that they value highly is a genuinely poor strategy. Picking up a few guys off their edges seems okay.

I wouldn't do this trade at all.

buehrle4cy05
11-15-2006, 10:30 PM
Screw Baldelli, lets get Arow

10...9...8...

oeo
11-15-2006, 10:33 PM
You really think they want to take on Vazquez's contract????

I think if we're going to get Crawford, we will trade one of our pitchers to say the Mets and send whoever we get from the Mets off to Tampa.

Brian26
11-15-2006, 10:46 PM
You know, I remember that game.

That was a huge win at the time.