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MrX
11-14-2006, 03:08 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2661869

3 years, 13 million:o:

spiffie
11-14-2006, 03:12 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2661869

3 years, 13 million:o:
Wow....4.33 million a year for a slow version of Podsednik. That's a great move.

champagne030
11-14-2006, 03:14 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2661869

3 years, 13 million:o:

He went from $675K last season to $4.33M. Pretty steep for a RH platoon player. Maybe the flubs think his year wasn't a fluke and will get him 500 AB's.....Still way to steep for a Mack type of player.

MrX
11-14-2006, 03:16 PM
Not only are they going to suck, but Hendry's going to bury them in bad contracts on his way out the door.

DaleJRFan
11-14-2006, 03:22 PM
Why is this a bad signing?? Because its the Cubs?? DeRosa is a very good player and a move to the mighty NL Central should significantly inflate his offensive numbers.

I disagree completely about this being a bad signing, rather I'd say this is a very good signing for the Cubs. I was actually hoping that the Sox would make a move for DeRosa. He hits from the rightside (as we all know the Sox need a right-handed hitting bench/platoon guy), plays passable defense, hits for some power, can play the corner outfield spots and can backup Crede/Iguchi at 3B/2B. Only problem is Mack or Gload would have needed to be moved for that to have happened.

I disagree with you guys, this is a good signing for the Cubs and would have been for any other MLB team, as long as he isn't relied on too heavily.

CLR01
11-14-2006, 03:40 PM
Why is this a bad signing?? Because its the Cubs?? DeRosa is a very good player and a move to the mighty NL Central should significantly inflate his offensive numbers.

I disagree completely about this being a bad signing, rather I'd say this is a very good signing for the Cubs. I was actually hoping that the Sox would make a move for DeRosa. He hits from the rightside (as we all know the Sox need a right-handed hitting bench/platoon guy), plays passable defense, hits for some power, can play the corner outfield spots and can backup Crede/Iguchi at 3B/2B. Only problem is Mack or Gload would have needed to be moved for that to have happened.

I disagree with you guys, this is a good signing for the Cubs and would have been for any other MLB team, as long as he isn't relied on too heavily.


Paying 4+ million for a guy who can't be "relied on too heavily" is a good move?

thedudeabides
11-14-2006, 03:40 PM
Why is this a bad signing?? Because its the Cubs?? DeRosa is a very good player and a move to the mighty NL Central should significantly inflate his offensive numbers.

I disagree completely about this being a bad signing, rather I'd say this is a very good signing for the Cubs. I was actually hoping that the Sox would make a move for DeRosa. He hits from the rightside (as we all know the Sox need a right-handed hitting bench/platoon guy), plays passable defense, hits for some power, can play the corner outfield spots and can backup Crede/Iguchi at 3B/2B. Only problem is Mack or Gload would have needed to be moved for that to have happened.

I disagree with you guys, this is a good signing for the Cubs and would have been for any other MLB team, as long as he isn't relied on too heavily.

I don't think it's a bad signing, but I wouldn't call it a very good signing. It sounds like the Cubs plan on him being their everyday 2b. $4 million plus per year for a player who's never been an everyday player is excessive.

JUribe1989
11-14-2006, 03:41 PM
Too bad, I love Mark DeRosa. Oh well, there's one Cub I like. It's way too high of a price, but DeRosa is a very good hitter and for a replacement RF he really played it well last year in Arlington. His numbers were insane at parts of the year last year, and with the great pitching in the NL Central, they should get even higher.

DaleJRFan
11-14-2006, 03:42 PM
I don't think it's a bad signing, but I wouldn't call it a very good signing. It sounds llike the Cubs plan on him being their everyday 2b. $4 million plus per year for a player who's never been an everyday player is excessive.

He played everyday last year and did very well. He has done very well every year prior to 2005 in a platoon role... I agree the Flubs overpaid, but they probably did so to lock him up now and now have to outbid any other team.

The Cubs picked up a good player for their every day 2B opening, but I agree - they did over pay.

DaleJRFan
11-14-2006, 03:43 PM
Paying 4+ million for a guy who can't be "relied on too heavily" is a good move?

That's what Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez are for, in their lineup. I should have been more specific with that comment. I meant, if they expect him to bat 300/30/100 in the 3-hole, they are sadly mistaken.

thedudeabides
11-14-2006, 03:51 PM
He played everyday last year and did very well. He has done very well every year prior to 2005 in a platoon role... I agree the Flubs overpaid, but they probably did so to lock him up now and now have to outbid any other team.

The Cubs picked up a good player for their every day 2B opening, but I agree - they did over pay.

Why overpay before the bidding starts? He's 31 and has had one season with over 500 at bats and only one more with over 300 at bats ( a.239 average). I just think it's a reach. A decent player, but they overpaid. Either way it's not going to make or break them.

Sox Fan 35
11-14-2006, 03:55 PM
I like DeRosa but 4 million a year is too much.

Foulke You
11-14-2006, 04:10 PM
I have to echo the sentiments of others here. DeRosa is a nice little player but they threw too much money at him. Hendry is in a free spending mood and is setting the bar very high for free agents this offseason.:mad:

StillMissOzzie
11-14-2006, 04:14 PM
The 2006 Cubs are in a similar position to the 2003 Tigers, in that they HAVE to overpay to attract FAs to their last place hovel.

SMO
:gulp:

Hitmen77
11-14-2006, 04:36 PM
how is he defensively?

Dick Allen
11-14-2006, 05:27 PM
Well, I'm sure the local media will be hailing him as the new savior for the Flubs. Oh wait, that's for Soriano, Jason Schmidt, and all the others who will most certainly sign with the Flubs.

JB98
11-14-2006, 06:24 PM
The Cubs were in better shape at 2B last year with Todd Walker. DeRosa is best in a utility role. They threw a bunch of money at him to be the everyday second baseman. LOL.

champagne030
11-14-2006, 06:26 PM
how is he defensively?

Mediocre at best at any position. His value is that he plays so many positions and kills LH pitching.

munchman33
11-14-2006, 06:26 PM
It's amazing that they're throwing out money like this when they still need four starters.

mjmcend
11-14-2006, 06:34 PM
This is the problem with the Cubs and Hendry. He throws money at mediocre players while simultaneously crying poor and missing on the top free agents.

Would you rather have Furcal and Soriano, or DeRosa, Neifi, Izturis, Eyre, and Dempster?

JB98
11-14-2006, 06:34 PM
It's amazing that they're throwing out money like this when they still need four starters.

You have to remember the average Cubs fan is not as astute as you or I. If they throw a bunch of money at several position players, they'll be able to hype the team as "much-improved," causing the sheep to charge through the turnstiles with glee again next season. Eventually, though, the reality of their poor starting rotation will set in, and they'll lose 90 games again.

Cubbie rotation:
1. Zambrano
2. Banged-up Prior (maybe)
3. Hill
4. Miller
5. Marshall

That's a terrible rotation, but the business model is more important than winning on the North Side.

JB98
11-14-2006, 06:35 PM
This is the problem with the Cubs and Hendry. He throws money at mediocre players while simultaneously crying poor and missing on the top free agents.

Would you rather have Furcal and Soriano, or DeRosa, Neifi, Izturis, Eyre, and Dempster?




Rumor has it they are looking at Ted Lilly and Miguel Batista to fill the massive holes in their rotation. That sounds like the recipe for a World Series championship.

SOXSINCE'70
11-14-2006, 08:50 PM
Rumor has it they are looking at Ted Lilly and Miguel Batista to fill the massive holes in their rotation. That sounds like the recipe for a World Series championship.

If either of these signings should come to pass,
White Sox fans should look forward to many fastballs
or hanging off speed pitches thrown to Dye,Thome,
Konerko or Crede when the teams meet 6 times next year.:cool:

Soxfanspcu11
11-14-2006, 09:02 PM
Everytime I think that this organization has reached the ceiling of stupidity, they do something new to prove me wrong.

This organization can not seriously be this incompetent can they?? The way they run things has to be some sort of inside joke.

Hitmen77
11-14-2006, 09:39 PM
The Cubune spin on this signing is in full swing:

DeRosa told the Tribune that he was sold by two factors the chance to play second base and the atmosphere at Wrigley Field, which he experienced while with Atlanta during the first round of the 2003 playoffs.

"I remember everything like it was yesterday,'' he said. "I saw for myself in '03 that that place is electric Even at Turner Field, the Cub fans dominated in our ballpark. I felt like the Cubs had five home games.''

:rolleyes: uh, yeah...Did he tell the Tribune this before or after they gave him $13 million? I heard last year's free agent signings (Jones and Pierre) have really enjoyed the Wrigley atmosphere. I bet DeRosa can hardly wait to see the fans throwing trash on the field.

CLR01
11-14-2006, 09:44 PM
The Cubune spin on this signing is in full swing:
"I remember everything like it was yesterday,'' he said. "I saw for myself in '03 that that place is electric


That's the 100 year old electrical work and the piss coated concrete. Gives you a nice little jolt.

crazyozzie02
11-14-2006, 10:07 PM
i just got done watching Fox Chicago and i was hearing the soundbite from his interview. This is a part of what it says..."The cubs deserve a winner, Chicago deserves a winner." If i remember right the Sox have had .500 plus seasons for quite a while now and last time i checked they won the world series only a year ago. Let the Mark DeRosa hating begin!!!!!!!

SoxSideIrish
11-14-2006, 10:28 PM
Per ESPN.com, the Cubs are closed a deal today with DeRosa for 3 yrs. & $13 million.

Interesting pickup, I'm curious to see if he has a repeat performance next year or if this was a flash in the pan incident.

WizardsofOzzie
11-14-2006, 10:29 PM
Search function is your friend :smile:
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=81158

EDIT: Damn you mods are fast!

CLR01
11-14-2006, 10:30 PM
Per ESPN.com, the Cubs are closed a deal today with DeRosa for 3 yrs. & $13 million.

Interesting pickup, I'm curious to see if he has a repeat performance next year or if this was a flash in the pan incident.


Cubs sign DeRosa doesn't quite describe the thread enough. :rolleyes:

Oblong
11-14-2006, 10:51 PM
At a game earlier this year with my 5 year old, DeRosa was up. My son said "If his first name was Pon, he'd be called Ponderosa"

WizardsofOzzie
11-14-2006, 10:56 PM
At a game earlier this year with my 5 year old, DeRosa was up. My son said "If his first name was Pon, he'd be called Ponderosa"
:rolling: :rolling: :kneeslap: :roflmao:

crazyozzie02
11-14-2006, 11:22 PM
At a game earlier this year with my 5 year old, DeRosa was up. My son said "If his first name was Pon, he'd be called Ponderosa"

Dude your son is awesome. I dont think ive heard anything this funny all week.

EastCoastSoxFan
11-15-2006, 08:00 AM
how is he defensively?He was a very good quarterback at my alma mater, the University of Pennsylvania.
And one of my best friends was his right tackle for three years.
On the baseball diamond his range is middle-of-the-pack and his arm is on the strong side.

Goodman6
11-15-2006, 08:50 AM
[quote=mjmcend;1410428]This is the problem with the Cubs and Hendry. He throws money at mediocre players while simultaneously crying poor and missing on the top free agents.

Would you rather have Furcal and Soriano, or DeRosa, Neifi, Izturis, Eyre, and Dempster?

Here are some stats that makes one wonder about Hendry:

Mark De Rosa career stats: .273 BA, .331 OBP, 11 / 22 SB, .984 FPct at 2B.
Tony Graffanino stats: .269 BA, .338 OBP, 53 / 77 SB, .981 FPct at 2B.
Source: Baseball-Reference.com
When you access this web site, it even references Tony Graffanino as a similar player to Mark De Rosa and vice-versa.
In essence, Hendry paid $4.33M per year for a Tony Graffanino type player.

GoSox2K3
11-15-2006, 09:26 AM
[quote=mjmcend;1410428]This is the problem with the Cubs and Hendry. He throws money at mediocre players while simultaneously crying poor and missing on the top free agents.

Would you rather have Furcal and Soriano, or DeRosa, Neifi, Izturis, Eyre, and Dempster?

Here are some stats that makes one wonder about Hendry:

Mark De Rosa career stats: .273 BA, .331 OBP, 11 / 22 SB, .984 FPct at 2B.
Tony Graffanino stats: .269 BA, .338 OBP, 53 / 77 SB, .981 FPct at 2B.
Source: Baseball-Reference.com
When you access this web site, it even references Tony Graffanino as a similar player to Mark De Rosa and vice-versa.
In essence, Hendry paid $4.33M per year for a Tony Graffanino type player.

How about this comparison:
Mark DeRosa (age 31, 1643 AB): .273 BA, .331 OBP, 38 HR, 193 RBI, 11 SB/11 CS, .404 SLG, 286 SO, 125 BB

Alex Cintron (age 28, 1712 AB): .281 BA, .318 OBP, 30 HR, 193 RBI, 16 SB/11 CS, .409 SLG, 173 SO, 94 BB, .988 FPct at 2B

DaveIsHere
11-15-2006, 09:29 AM
With this signing we should just go ahead and, "Crown their Asses!!!!":D:

Goodman6
11-15-2006, 09:54 AM
[quote=Goodman6;1410814]

How about this comparison:
Mark DeRosa (age 31, 1643 AB): .273 BA, .331 OBP, 38 HR, 193 RBI, 11 SB/11 CS, .404 SLG, 286 SO, 125 BB

Alex Cintron (age 28, 1712 AB): .281 BA, .318 OBP, 30 HR, 193 RBI, 16 SB/11 CS, .409 SLG, 173 SO, 94 BB, .988 FPct at 2B

I like this comparison as what this tells me is that the Flubs paid $4.33M per year for a starting secondbasemen that is not even as good as the White Sox back-up player at that position. But I am sure the "sheep" are excited about the DeRosa signing and can't wait to fill the "Urinal" again next season.

Hitmen77
11-15-2006, 12:07 PM
Is De Rosa any better than Todd Walker?

lakeviewsoxfan
11-15-2006, 12:15 PM
Is De Rosa any better than Todd Walker?

No.

Ol' No. 2
11-15-2006, 12:17 PM
Is De Rosa any better than Todd Walker?Maybe not even as good.

Iwritecode
11-15-2006, 12:25 PM
i just got done watching Fox Chicago and i was hearing the soundbite from his interview. This is a part of what it says..."The cubs deserve a winner, Chicago deserves a winner." If i remember right the Sox have had .500 plus seasons for quite a while now and last time i checked they won the world series only a year ago. Let the Mark DeRosa hating begin!!!!!!!

Obviously nobody informed him that there's another team in Chicago. :rolleyes:

Sox Fan 35
11-15-2006, 12:56 PM
[quote=Goodman6;1410814]

How about this comparison:
Mark DeRosa (age 31, 1643 AB): .273 BA, .331 OBP, 38 HR, 193 RBI, 11 SB/11 CS, .404 SLG, 286 SO, 125 BB

Alex Cintron (age 28, 1712 AB): .281 BA, .318 OBP, 30 HR, 193 RBI, 16 SB/11 CS, .409 SLG, 173 SO, 94 BB, .988 FPct at 2B

Cintron made $1,600,000 in '06.

Fake Chet Lemon
11-15-2006, 01:11 PM
Why is this a bad signing?? Because its the Cubs?? DeRosa is a very good player and a move to the mighty NL Central should significantly inflate his offensive numbers..............

I disagree with you guys, this is a good signing for the Cubs and would have been for any other MLB team, as long as he isn't relied on too heavily.

Let's see. The Cubs have struggling pitching, outfielders with no arms.....so now lets get middle infielders with no range. Yes, you are right it's a great idea!!!

StillMissOzzie
11-15-2006, 06:20 PM
[quote=Goodman6;1410814]

How about this comparison:
Mark DeRosa (age 31, 1643 AB): .273 BA, .331 OBP, 38 HR, 193 RBI, 11 SB/11 CS, .404 SLG, 286 SO, 125 BB

Alex Cintron (age 28, 1712 AB): .281 BA, .318 OBP, 30 HR, 193 RBI, 16 SB/11 CS, .409 SLG, 173 SO, 94 BB, .988 FPct at 2B

[quote=GoSox2K3;1410839]

I like this comparison as what this tells me is that the Flubs paid $4.33M per year for a starting secondbasemen that is not even as good as the White Sox back-up player at that position. But I am sure the "sheep" are excited about the DeRosa signing and can't wait to fill the "Urinal" again next season.

[quote=GoSox2K3;1410839]

Cintron made $1,600,000 in '06.

And this is why the Cubs are stupid idiots. Sooner or later, people like Cintron come up for arbitration and contracts like that for DeRosa are held up as comparable.
Foolish overpayment leads to more foolish overpayment.

SMO
:angry: