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Fenway
10-25-2006, 11:44 AM
It maybe the most replayed moment in baseball history ( thanks to the New York media )

"So the winning run is at second base, with two outs, three and two to Mookie Wilson. A little roller up along first... behind the bag! It gets through Buckner! Here comes Knight... and the Mets win it! ... [three minutes pass] ... If one picture is worth a thousand words, then you have seen about a million words, but more than that you have seen an absolutely bizarre finish of game 6 of the 1986 World Series, the Mets are not only alive, they are well, and they play the Red Sox in Game 7 tomorrow." -- 10.25.86, Vin Scully, NBC Sports play-by-play announcer

Buckner who had more hits in his career than Ted Williams will always be remembered for the error. Fact is the game was blown before the error happened. Bob Stanley's wild pitch was the key play ( I still think it was a passed ball ) But it is one of baseball's "moments"

How the Boston Globe covered it then
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/playoffs04/1986_playoffs/ws_game6_soxmets/

The Red Sox' collapse in Game 6 of the World Series Saturday night -- when they turned an apparent world championship into a 6-5, 10-inning Mets victory that forced a seventh and deciding game tonight -- was of such epic proportions that it might have rendered Bucky Dent a footnote in Boston baseball history.

sox1970
10-25-2006, 06:53 PM
Seinfeld re-run tonight--The Boyfriend with Keith Hernandez. Coinicidence? I think not.

Oblong
10-25-2006, 06:57 PM
Wasn't there like 15 pitches thrown with 2 strikes or something like that?

I agree that Buckner got a raw deal on this. If he gets the ball and gets the out (no sure thing with Wilson running) all it means is extra innings. the game was tied at that point. It was Stanely and Schiraldi who blew that.

batmanZoSo
10-25-2006, 07:27 PM
Seinfeld re-run tonight--The Boyfriend with Keith Hernandez. Coinicidence? I think not.

I bet tomorrow night (10.26) they show the episode where Frank Costanza gets into a fender-bender with Widger and hilarity ensues.

Dan the Man
10-25-2006, 07:48 PM
I hate ESPN for replaying this constantly. From 3-7 PM, ESPN Classic was nothing but Buckner: Game 6, Battle Lines?, 5 Reasons You Can't Blame....


I say:

:whocares

brewcrew/chisox
10-25-2006, 10:45 PM
There were a few things I saw and heard that upset me greatly, and has
led me to take a dim view of some of those "long-suffering" fans of the
so-called "Red Sox Nation." If Red Sox fans are indeed a "Nation" perhaps
we ought to sever diplomatic ties.

The first was when I read a book called "Red Sox Century" which, in
between piteous moans, wails, and rending of garments, manages to
have a sidebar from one writer who writes of a "passionate" female
colleague who blames Buckner and hates him, hardcore, because she
is such a "fan." When he explained to her that the score was tied her
response was "don't bother defending him." WOW! What a FAN! What
a creep. My blood pressure is rising as I type this so I will say no more,
lest I get banned.

This goes double for the absolute [restrains self to avoid banning] I
saw on the "Five Reasons" garbage. He said "whatever bad you do to
Bill Buckner can never be enough. He broke the hearts of six million
people." And there, Ladies and gents, is the attitude of the "me-me-me-
me-me-me-me-me-me-me First, last, now, forever and always" fan in a
nutshell. The less said about him, the better. And he was a sportswriter,
no less.

Third is just reading about how the error ruined his life. I mean come on.
It is just a game, for one. A GAME. Entertainment. Not life and death.
Second, there are a thousand diffrent things that happen in any given
ballgame that result in the final score. To blame it one one person and
one play is wrong, and just shows a lack of knowledge and understanding
about the game. The subleties of baseball and perhaps life in general are
obviously lost on the above-mentioned Mr. and Mrs. Moron and their ilk.

I realize that I may be no better, seeing as I seem to be judging all Red
Sox fans by those....people. I'm not, or I try very hard not to do so.
My anger is reserved for those who have the same attitude as Mr and Mrs
Moron.

Still, I liked what Bill Buckner had to say in October, 2004. When some
dopes said or wrote "Bill, you're forgiven" his response was "don't forgive
me. I didn't do anything wrong." which sounded to me like a vey subtle
"up yours." Good for him.

Great post. I never heard the Bill Buckner quote but it brought a smile to my face to read it. Blame Buckner, blame some guy wearing an 80's walkman and a Cub's hat...a bunch of morons all of them. Does it hurt to see your team lose in such a fashion? Sure, but to demand forgiveness of someone for making a mistake on the field is mere clap-trap.

Fenway
10-25-2006, 11:21 PM
Great post. I never heard the Bill Buckner quote but it brought a smile to my face to read it. Blame Buckner, blame some guy wearing an 80's walkman and a Cub's hat...a bunch of morons all of them. Does it hurt to see your team lose in such a fashion? Sure, but to demand forgiveness of someone for making a mistake on the field is mere clap-trap.

I never blamed Buck Im on a blackberry so I will add more later

downstairs
10-26-2006, 08:45 AM
There were a few things I saw and heard that upset me greatly, and has
led me to take a dim view of some of those "long-suffering" fans of the
so-called "Red Sox Nation." If Red Sox fans are indeed a "Nation" perhaps
we ought to sever diplomatic ties.

The first was when I read a book called "Red Sox Century" which, in
between piteous moans, wails, and rending of garments, manages to
have a sidebar from one writer who writes of a "passionate" female
colleague who blames Buckner and hates him, hardcore, because she
is such a "fan." When he explained to her that the score was tied her
response was "don't bother defending him." WOW! What a FAN! What
a creep. My blood pressure is rising as I type this so I will say no more,
lest I get banned.

This goes double for the absolute [restrains self to avoid banning] I
saw on the "Five Reasons" garbage. He said "whatever bad you do to
Bill Buckner can never be enough. He broke the hearts of six million
people." And there, Ladies and gents, is the attitude of the "me-me-me-
me-me-me-me-me-me-me First, last, now, forever and always" fan in a
nutshell. The less said about him, the better. And he was a sportswriter,
no less.

Third is just reading about how the error ruined his life. I mean come on.
It is just a game, for one. A GAME. Entertainment. Not life and death.
Second, there are a thousand diffrent things that happen in any given
ballgame that result in the final score. To blame it one one person and
one play is wrong, and just shows a lack of knowledge and understanding
about the game. The subleties of baseball and perhaps life in general are
obviously lost on the above-mentioned Mr. and Mrs. Moron and their ilk.

I realize that I may be no better, seeing as I seem to be judging all Red
Sox fans by those....people. I'm not, or I try very hard not to do so.
My anger is reserved for those who have the same attitude as Mr and Mrs
Moron.

Still, I liked what Bill Buckner had to say in October, 2004. When some
dopes said or wrote "Bill, you're forgiven" his response was "don't forgive
me. I didn't do anything wrong." which sounded to me like a vey subtle
"up yours." Good for him.


I saw the game on TV. I was 11 years old, just learning the ins and outs of the game- and even I knew it wasn't his fault.

But, unfortunately, that is the attitude of the bulk (99%) of Red Sox (and Cubs) fans.

I blame the Mets- who played a hell of a series and diserved to win it.

Mickster
10-27-2006, 02:49 PM
I saw the game on TV. I was 11 years old, just learning the ins and outs of the game- and even I knew it wasn't his fault.

But, unfortunately, that is the attitude of the bulk (99%) of Red Sox (and Cubs) fans.

I blame the Mets- who played a hell of a series and diserved to win it.

I blame it on Buckner's batting glove......

chaerulez
10-27-2006, 03:28 PM
The Red Sox bullpen blew the game. And if you want to be technical, the Red Sox manager had been subbing Buckner out late innings for a defensive replacement. He wanted Buckner to be on the field when they won it all. Was a well intended gesture, but it didn't exactly give the Red Sox the best chance to win.

thomas35forever
10-27-2006, 03:50 PM
Consider this quote from Fever Pitch:

"It wasn't just Buckner. Stanley screwed him. He didn't cover first."

mark2olson
10-27-2006, 03:53 PM
Still, I liked what Bill Buckner had to say in October, 2004. When some
dopes said or wrote "Bill, you're forgiven" his response was "don't forgive
me. I didn't do anything wrong." which sounded to me like a vey subtle
"up yours." Good for him.

A well-written, and well-reasoned post. I enjoyed reading it.