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Fenway
10-21-2006, 05:27 PM
Lineups are out.

St. Louis Cardinals

1. David Eckstein, shortstop
2. Chris Duncan, designated hitter
3. Albert Pujols, first base
4. Jim Edmonds, center field
5. Scott Rolen, third base
6. Juan Encarnacion, right field
7. Ronnie Belliard, second base
8. Yadier Molina, catcher
9. So Taguchi, left field
Starting pitcher: Anthony Reyes

Detroit Tigers

1. Curtis Granderson, center field
2. Craig Monroe, left field
3. Placido Polanco, second base
4. Magglio Ordonez, right field
5. Carlos Guillen, first base
6. Ivan Rodriguez, catcher
7. Sean Casey, designated hitter
8. Brandon Inge, third base
9. Ramon Santiago, shortstop
Starting pitcher: Justin Verlander

Kub_Killer_15
10-21-2006, 05:35 PM
I didn't think Sean Casey would be back after he got hurt in the ALCS. Also Magglio is hitting clean up -- Should be a good game.

DoItForDanPasqua
10-21-2006, 06:23 PM
Starting pitcher: Anthony Reyes


How often do you see a pitcher with an ERA over five starting game one of the World Series?

1951Campbell
10-21-2006, 06:34 PM
C'mon Tigers, not one NL victory since 2003...

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 06:35 PM
Go Cards.

jabrch
10-21-2006, 06:36 PM
Eric Byrnes is annoying as hell.

FedEx227
10-21-2006, 06:38 PM
How often do you see a pitcher with an ERA over five starting game one of the World Series?

About as often as a World Series that features a team in the bottom half of MLB pitching.

Despite the ERA's I'm loving the fact that we get to see two great young pitchers battle it out in the WS. First time two rookies started, good stuff.

Beautox
10-21-2006, 06:40 PM
About as often as a World Series that features a team in the bottom half of MLB pitching.

Despite the ERA's I'm loving the fact that we get to see two great young pitchers battle it out in the WS. First time two rookies started, good stuff.

I feel the same way.

TDog
10-21-2006, 07:01 PM
Anthony Reyes pitched well against the Sox this year. Starting the first game of the World Series is the consolation prize for losing a 1-0 1-hitter.

SoxandtheCityTee
10-21-2006, 07:01 PM
Eric Byrnes is annoying as hell.

No kidding. I tunred the sound off on him, but how do you turn off that hair?

TDog
10-21-2006, 07:06 PM
I just noticed that Duncan is DHing. I thought the Cardinals would benefit from being able to DH Pujols in Detroit, but I don't know their team well enough to label LaRussa's lineup moronic.

jabrch
10-21-2006, 07:08 PM
Anthony Reyes pitched well against the Sox this year. Starting the first game of the World Series is the consolation prize for losing a 1-0 1-hitter.


That was my favorite game I went to all season (with the exception of the opening day ceremony).

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 07:11 PM
Verlander's curveball is nuh-hasty tonight. Could be a long night for the Cardinals batters.

oeo
10-21-2006, 07:14 PM
Verlander's curveball is nuh-hasty tonight. Could be a long night for the Cardinals batters.

They weren't biting at the low curve. Looks like he's going to have to get it up, and that could be trouble for Verlander.

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 07:25 PM
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say this is not going to end prettily for the Cardinals.

oeo
10-21-2006, 07:26 PM
Attention Anthony Reyes: Stop pitching so damn slow, and throwing absolute garbage. To Maggs...a fastball into the dirt off the outside corner with a full count? Come on...

Myrtle72
10-21-2006, 07:29 PM
I can't watch the game on TV because I am at work and the TV is broken... can anyone explain to me what Encarnacion's error was?

oeo
10-21-2006, 07:33 PM
Thank you Rolen. No one is robbing that one.

1-1 tie.

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 07:33 PM
All right, Rolen. Nice hit, buddy.

:gulp:

soxfan26
10-21-2006, 07:33 PM
Is my TiVo stuck in fast forward or did Rolen just round the bases at MACH 6?

oeo
10-21-2006, 07:33 PM
I can't watch the game on TV because I am at work and the TV is broken... can anyone explain to me what Encarnacion's error was?

He mis-played off of a hop. Guillen may have not gotten to second, but the run would have scored.

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 07:33 PM
I can't watch the game on TV because I am at work and the TV is broken... can anyone explain to me what Encarnacion's error was?

He took his pretty time throwing the ball into the infield, and the hitter took second base on the play.

oeo
10-21-2006, 07:35 PM
He took his pretty time throwing the ball into the infield, and the hitter took second base on the play.

I'm pretty sure he misplayed it. They took the camera off of him right when he did it to show Monroe scoring.

Myrtle72
10-21-2006, 07:38 PM
He mis-played off of a hop. Guillen may have not gotten to second, but the run would have scored.

He took his pretty time throwing the ball into the infield, and the hitter took second base on the play.

Thanks. :cool:

(See, I don't need a TV!)

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 07:44 PM
I'm pretty sure he misplayed it. They took the camera off of him right when he did it to show Monroe scoring.

You're right; I missed the replay, so to me it seemed like he just held on to the ball too long before throwing it in, but it turns out it came out of his glove and hit the field.

oeo
10-21-2006, 07:50 PM
Thank you for taking that out I-Roid. 2-1 Cards.

:bandance:

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 07:51 PM
Attaboy, Duncan! Make Mop Hair run around a bit in the outfield, while scoring a run.

2-1 Cardinals. Glad to see them show up.

oeo
10-21-2006, 07:51 PM
PUJOLS!!!

4-1, thank you!

:supernana:

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 07:51 PM
BOOM.

:gulp:

goon
10-21-2006, 07:51 PM
http://www.theredcrush.com/files/images/HTA139101800_1024x768.preview.jpg

Kub_Killer_15
10-21-2006, 07:51 PM
With a blink of an eye its 4-1 Cards

Myrtle72
10-21-2006, 07:52 PM
According to Gameday, it looks like Verlander is hurting tonight.

4-1 Cards

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 07:52 PM
Thank you for taking that out I-Roid. 2-1 Cards.

:bandance:

Good point. That was as good as a sac bunt. Should have let it go foul.

Oh well, spilled milk (for the kitties).

:cool:

Frankfan4life
10-21-2006, 07:52 PM
Go Cards.
Yeah!

soxwon
10-21-2006, 08:01 PM
i the tiger stadium thread i predicted
SL in 6
Its not impossible for the cards to do this.
They must win tonight for this to happen.

MrRoboto83
10-21-2006, 08:09 PM
i the tiger stadium thread i predicted
SL in 6
Its not impossible for the cards to do this.
They must win tonight for this to happen.

I predict a team in the midwest to win the World Series.

Myrtle72
10-21-2006, 08:14 PM
I predict a team in the midwest to win the World Series.

Ya think? :rolleyes: :D:

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 08:16 PM
I really, really hope Maggs gets a haircut this offseason.

MrRoboto83
10-21-2006, 08:17 PM
Ya think? :rolleyes: :D:


I just had a vision, it came to me from a higher power.:D:

Timmy D's
10-21-2006, 08:17 PM
Looks like the rain is movin in, we may be in for a long night.http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/centgrtlakes.php

MrRoboto83
10-21-2006, 08:19 PM
I really, really hope Maggs gets a haircut this offseason.


What is the deal with the latino players and their long hair these days?

getonbckthr
10-21-2006, 08:39 PM
Something to note which is pretty cool the 2 divisions that have, since the leagues have gone to 3 divisions each, caught the most slack for not having enough talent has produced 5 out of the last 6 teams playing for the title.

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 08:42 PM
Dumb move by Verlander there. Pujols with that gimpy leg of his is NOT a stealing threat.

Man on third, 0 outs.

:gulp:

Timmy D's
10-21-2006, 08:42 PM
Terrible throw by Verlander.

Lol on his fave show Saved by the Bell.

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 08:43 PM
And Edmonds quickly makes Verlander pay for that mistake.

5-1 Cards. Could they steal Game 1?

:gulp:

MrRoboto83
10-21-2006, 08:45 PM
Not looking good for the Tigers now, I wonder if the long break hurt them?

Myrtle72
10-21-2006, 08:45 PM
Terrible throw by Verlander.

Lol on his fave show Saved by the Bell.


What did he do?

oeo
10-21-2006, 08:46 PM
What did he do?

Tried to pick-off the speedy Pujols, and threw it away.

Timmy D's
10-21-2006, 08:47 PM
And Edmonds quickly makes Verlander pay for that mistake.

5-1 Cards. Could they steal Game 1?

:gulp:

Sure looks like it. I'm in jeopardy of losin some scratch on this series by betting D, but if StL wins it will piss off Cubdom, so that it will make it more tolerable.

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 08:49 PM
*****.

Wheels falling off for the Tiggers now.

6-1. OUCH.

:gulp:

MrRoboto83
10-21-2006, 08:49 PM
Terrible throw by Inge, what the hell?

oeo
10-21-2006, 08:50 PM
Thank you for finally showing your real self Inge.

7-1.

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 08:50 PM
"Mr. Perfect" Inge with 2 ****ups on that one play.

Let's make it 7-1, shall we?

:gulp:

Myrtle72
10-21-2006, 08:52 PM
Wow, the Tigers are really falling apart here.

But wasn't this predicted to happen? They had so many days off. Perhaps that's what we're seeing now.

Myrtle72
10-21-2006, 08:53 PM
"Mr. Perfect" Inge with 2 ****ups on that one play.


From Gameday:


Top 6TH B:2 S:2 O:0
Juan Encarnacion reaches on a fielder's choice, fielded by third baseman Brandon Inge. Jim Edmonds scores. Scott Rolen scores. Juan Encarnacion to 2nd on the throw. Interference error by third baseman Brandon Inge.

:?:

Frankfan4life
10-21-2006, 08:53 PM
The Tiggers fans are not happy! :smile:

lumpyspun
10-21-2006, 08:54 PM
wasn't rolen completely out of the base path there? Inge could only get over so far...he was almost in the coaches box...

can someone explain that to me?

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 08:55 PM
From Gameday:


Top 6TH B:2 S:2 O:0
Juan Encarnacion reaches on a fielder's choice, fielded by third baseman Brandon Inge. Jim Edmonds scores. Scott Rolen scores. Juan Encarnacion to 2nd on the throw. Interference error by third baseman Brandon Inge.

:?:

Ground ball to Inge, which took a bad hop and came up high on him. He made a terribly wide throw of home plate, which went to the backstop. Rolen was rounding third base on the error and ran into Inge and then fell down. The umps ruled a throwing error on Inge and interference on him for blocking Rolen's path to the plate.

oeo
10-21-2006, 08:56 PM
Wow, the Tigers are really falling apart here.

But wasn't this predicted to happen? They had so many days off. Perhaps that's what we're seeing now.

Whatever. Verlander sucked, and that changes everything.

The Sox had only 1 less off day last year, and 1 more for the ALCS and never fell apart like this. Let the comparisons end, the 2005 Sox > 2006 Tigers and they have been all year.

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 08:56 PM
wasn't rolen completely out of the base path there? Inge could only get over so far...he was almost in the coaches box...

can someone explain that to me?

I agree that that was a tough call to pin on Inge. He had his back to Rolen and was way out of the basepath. It wasn't like he tried to interfere with him.

MrRoboto83
10-21-2006, 08:56 PM
Wow, the Tigers are really falling apart here.

But wasn't this predicted to happen? They had so many days off. Perhaps that's what we're seeing now.


It's the pressure of not loosing to a team that won 83 games during the season.

nasox
10-21-2006, 08:57 PM
Crede would have made that play. Inge sucks. He had 22 errors on the season. Tiger fans say it is because he has good range and gets to balls that he's not supposed to, but Crede has tremendous range also. The difference is that Crede makes good throws while Inge doesn't.

Tigers really dissappointing me tonight.

RadioheadRocks
10-21-2006, 08:57 PM
http://www.thecatgallery.com/images/seven-gray-tabby-kittens.jpg

"We are not aMEWsed!!!" :D:

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 08:57 PM
Wow, the Tigers are really falling apart here.

But wasn't this predicted to happen? They had so many days off. Perhaps that's what we're seeing now.

I forget who it was who said this during the pre-game show, but if the Tigers looked good, it was because they were well-rested; if they looked bad, it was because they had too long of a layoff.

The biggest thing tonight is Verlander's pitching, which hasn't been all that great.

TDog
10-21-2006, 08:58 PM
Whatever. Verlander sucked, and that changes everything.

The Sox had only 1 less off day last year, and 1 more for the ALCS and never fell apart like this. Let the comparisons end, the 2005 Sox > 2006 Tigers and they have been all year.


Maybe Verlander needs more rest between his starts.

oeo
10-21-2006, 08:59 PM
Crede would have made that play. Inge sucks. He had 22 errors on the season. Tiger fans say it is because he has good range and gets to balls that he's not supposed to, but Crede has tremendous range also. The difference is that Crede makes good throws while Inge doesn't.

Tigers really dissappointing me tonight.

See my, "thanks for showing your real self" post. Brandon Inge sucks, and it made me sick to hear about how this guy was a good player. He hits homeruns, and makes a few good plays (and a lot bad ones)...whoop-dee-doo.

And that was a pretty routine play, nothing to do with range. He also made a huge error in a game against the Sox this year, throwing the ball away on a double play ball into right field.

Myrtle72
10-21-2006, 08:59 PM
Ground ball to Inge, which took a bad hop and came up high on him. He made a terribly wide throw of home plate, which went to the backstop. Rolen was rounding third base on the error and ran into Inge and then fell down. The umps ruled a throwing error on Inge and interference on him for blocking Rolen's path to the plate.

Thanks, Cheeses. :smile:

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 09:00 PM
OK, they cleared up the Inge/Rolen play. It was "obstruction," not "interference." The rulebook is clear. Good call.

Myrtle72
10-21-2006, 09:01 PM
:tealpolice:


Maybe Verlander needs more rest between his starts.

Frankfan4life
10-21-2006, 09:04 PM
wasn't rolen completely out of the base path there? Inge could only get over so far...he was almost in the coaches box...

can someone explain that to me?I noticed on the replay that Inge glanced back long enough to see Rolen coming. He then braced himself for a collision.

LuvSox
10-21-2006, 09:09 PM
Great song, terrible singer.

goon
10-21-2006, 09:10 PM
that was pretty bad.

Timmy D's
10-21-2006, 09:10 PM
she's very sparkly

oeo
10-21-2006, 09:10 PM
I noticed on the replay that Inge glanced back long enough to see Rolen coming. He then braced himself for a collision.

Maybe it's just me not liking the guy, or maybe (it is) one of the reasons I do dislike him, but he comes off as a douche. Wouldn't surprise me if he was trying to get in the way...why is he standing there anyway? There's no reason for him to just be standing right there.

TDog
10-21-2006, 09:14 PM
I didn't see the play, but it was described clearly as obstruction as it was happening. Jon Miller and Joe Morgan said the runner would be waved in before it actually happened. I don't know what clowns are doing the game on television, but Miller and Morgan are pretty good announcers.

One quirk about this game is that Anthony Reyes will pitch as long as he is effective or simply can't go anymore, which is a novelty in this era of baseball. The Cardinals' bullpen is in such shape that LaRussa isn't going to put in situational relievers to keep Reyes fresh for his next start.

Reyes may not be as good his next time out because you never know what you're going to get from him. Verlander, on the other hand, probably isn't going to be as sharp in his next start because he hasn't been working on regular rest in a while.

Unregistered
10-21-2006, 09:16 PM
Ster-Rod would've hit that over the fence. Sorry Baby I-Rod. Just a long fly out. :D:

getonbckthr
10-21-2006, 09:19 PM
A Cardinal win guarentees Detroit can't tie our playoff performance from last season.

oeo
10-21-2006, 09:20 PM
Ster-Rod would've hit that over the fence. Sorry Baby I-Rod. Just a long fly out. :D:

I was happy it didn't get out, I was even more happy that it was him that almost hit it. He would have ran around the bases like it was the Game 7 winner.

Timmy D's
10-21-2006, 09:22 PM
lotta face painters there.

Supportin' the team.

RadioheadRocks
10-21-2006, 09:24 PM
lotta face painters there.

Supportin' the team.

See, this would have been a golden opportunity for Peter Criss to sport the face paint once again in Detroit Rock City. :cool:

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 09:24 PM
A Cardinal win guarentees Detroit can't tie our playoff performance from last season.

:yup:

You noticed that, too, eh?

:)

Unregistered
10-21-2006, 09:26 PM
I was happy it didn't get out, I was even more happy that it was him that almost hit it. He would have ran around the bases like it was the Game 7 winner.
http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2006/06/01/eZrhArdB.jpg
"Only down by four now!"

1951Campbell
10-21-2006, 09:28 PM
See, this would have been a golden opportunity for Peter Criss to sport the face paint once again in Detroit Rock City. :cool:

http://tommie.nu/public/peter_griffin.jpg
"Lois, nobody wants to be Peter Criss. Not even Peter Criss."

Unregistered
10-21-2006, 09:29 PM
lotta face painters there.

Supportin' the team.
http://www.interstate80.info/grounded/facepainter4.jpg
"Gotta support the team."

:tongue:

RadioheadRocks
10-21-2006, 09:31 PM
http://tommie.nu/public/peter_griffin.jpg
"Lois, nobody wants to be Peter Criss. Not even Peter Criss."

:roflmao: :roflmao: :rolling: :rolling:

Guess I forgot the teal; I'll go back and fix it.

LuvSox
10-21-2006, 09:48 PM
A ringy-dingy for one of those Tiger guys.

Good work by Reyes, bullpen needed a break.

TDog
10-21-2006, 09:51 PM
I was hoping Reyes would pitch a complete game. I don't hate the Tigers nearly as much as I hate the A's, but it's good to see the Tigers losing.

batmanZoSo
10-21-2006, 09:51 PM
Wow those cartwheels and backflips by I-Roid were fantastic. And the pyrotechnics were a nice touch.

oeo
10-21-2006, 09:52 PM
A ringy-dingy for one of those Tiger guys.

Good work by Reyes, bullpen needed a break.

Great game by Reyes. Verlander was supposed to get all the spotlight and he just took it all away from him.

LuvSox
10-21-2006, 09:54 PM
The Chick From Right Field strikes out. :D: :supernana:

RadioheadRocks
10-21-2006, 09:54 PM
The Chick From Right Field strikes out. :D: :supernana:


"Gee your hair smells terrific!"

oeo
10-21-2006, 09:57 PM
Rolen does his best Inge impression.

Don't give these ****heads any hope.

Timmy D's
10-21-2006, 09:58 PM
I hope roid head wiffs

cheeses_h_rice
10-21-2006, 10:00 PM
And the National League wins its first World Series game since the Marlins in 2003.

Congrats to the Cardinals and especially Anthony Reyes for a really solid performance in a series that they weren't given much of a chance of winning by the general public (including me).

Let's hope Weaver can beat up on that ******* Rogers tomorrow and take 2 of 2 in Detoilet.

:gulp:

ShoelessJoeS
10-21-2006, 10:00 PM
kitties lose!!!

kitties lose!!

LuvSox
10-21-2006, 10:00 PM
The Jose Cardinals take game one! :supernana:

Timmy D's
10-21-2006, 10:01 PM
OK, start the rain so the lil D fans get cold and wet on their quiet walk to their cars.

TDog
10-21-2006, 10:01 PM
I don't know who I want to win Sunday. I hate the Tigers, but Weaver was with the Tigers and the instigator for the Tigers in the 2000 fight with the White Sox.

getonbckthr
10-21-2006, 10:02 PM
ssshhhhhh GOD is speaking

Frankfan4life
10-21-2006, 10:04 PM
Wow, the Cards win the first game in Detroit! Who woulda thunk it? I didn't see that coming. Reyes was a stud! I'm still not giving the Cards much of a chance to win the World Series but they've already done better than I though they would.

Go Cards!

Frankfan4life
10-21-2006, 10:07 PM
OK, start the rain so the lil D fans get cold and wet on their quiet walk to their cars.That's cruel, but :D:.

oeo
10-21-2006, 10:28 PM
Wow, the Cards win the first game in Detroit! Who woulda thunk it? I didn't see that coming. Reyes was a stud! I'm still not giving the Cards much of a chance to win the World Series but they've already done better than I though they would.

Go Cards!

This definately changes everything. It will be interesting to see how Kenny Rogers responds in basically a must-win (you don't want to go out of town down 2-0). Then look at their other two guys...Bonderman can be great, or terrible, you never know what you're going to get from the guy; and I still don't think Robertson is a very good pitcher.

Huge win by the Cards.

PKalltheway
10-21-2006, 10:30 PM
Well, for what it's worth, 8 out of the last 9 teams that have won Game 1 have gone on to win the World Series. This is also the Cards first victory in a World Series game since Game 5 of the 1987 World Series. This is also the Cards first road victory in a W.S. since Game 2 of the 1985 World Series. Tony LaRussa has also snapped a personal 8 game losing streak in the World Series that dated back to 1990.

cheezheadsoxfan
10-21-2006, 10:40 PM
:yup:

You noticed that, too, eh?

:)

That was mine main concern also. :)

Mohoney
10-21-2006, 11:09 PM
John Rooney announced his 5th World Series win in a row.

batmanZoSo
10-21-2006, 11:14 PM
Did Jose Cardenal play for the Cardinals? That would be cool if he did.

LuvSox
10-21-2006, 11:20 PM
Did Jose Cardenal play for the Cardinals? That would be cool if he did.

I believe he did. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Cardenal)

thomas35forever
10-21-2006, 11:51 PM
Just heard about the result. If the Tigers lose another one, I'd say they're toast. St. Louis is gonna be hostile.

Myrtle72
10-21-2006, 11:52 PM
Just heard about the result. If the Tigers lose another one, I'd say they're toast. St. Louis is gonna be hostile.

I really doubt that will happen.

PKalltheway
10-22-2006, 12:12 AM
I really doubt that will happen.
If the Cardinals can get good pitching in this series, it's gonna be interesting to say the least. If the Tigers go down 2-0, they're in DEEP, DEEP trouble. The Cardinals pitching is starting to come around.

batmanZoSo
10-22-2006, 12:21 AM
The '96 Yankees dropped the first two at home and proceeded to kick Brave ass in four straight, so there is precedent for Detroit if they lose tomorrow. But it'd be pretty damn tough.

Then again, this could be the last win of '06 for St. Louis. Hopefully they got tree more in store.

Chips
10-22-2006, 12:33 AM
I missed most of the game, but I last I saw it was 4-1 St. Louis. When I heard the Cardinals won, I said "Yes!"

Timmy D's
10-22-2006, 12:40 AM
Reyes was lights out. Remember the game he debuted in the bigs vs. us at the Cell. We got one hit and still won with Thomes blast. He dominated us that night and we got the W, so seeing that in person I wasnt surprised by his performance tonight, but I think DET puts an ole fashioned azz whoopin on the Cards Sunday night.

PKalltheway
10-22-2006, 12:45 AM
The '96 Yankees dropped the first two at home and proceeded to kick Brave ass in four straight, so there is precedent for Detroit if they lose tomorrow. But it'd be pretty damn tough.


Yep, there would be precedent. If I'm not mistaken though, the '96 Yankees are one of only three teams in baseball history to have come back from losing their first two games at home to win the W.S. (1985 Royals, 1986 Mets were the others).

BTW, weren't the Yankees down in Game 3 in 1996 6-0 at one point? For it to be the Yankees, this was a pretty underrated comeback in World Series history. I mean, you hear about their '96 title, but you don't hear about how they went about taking it from the Braves. All you hear about is Jeffrey Maier in the ALCS.

CLR01
10-22-2006, 12:50 AM
I really doubt that will happen.


The pusssycats weren't going to lose the first one either.

TDog
10-22-2006, 01:03 AM
The '96 Yankees dropped the first two at home and proceeded to kick Brave ass in four straight, so there is precedent for Detroit if they lose tomorrow. But it'd be pretty damn tough.

Then again, this could be the last win of '06 for St. Louis. Hopefully they got tree more in store.


Fifty-two years ago, a heavily favored team with 111 wins lost four straight in the World Series. One hundred years ago, a 116-win team (80 games above .500) played all their postseason games in their home city and still lost the World Series. In baseball, there are all kinds of precedents.

The Tigers didn't even win their division. If my No. 1 starter loses Game 1 at home to their No. 4 starter, I would be worried.

QCIASOXFAN
10-22-2006, 01:07 AM
What the hell happened tonight.:angry: So during the NLDS some Cards homer I know bets me $50 that they would WIN THE WORLD SERIES! Yes I am serious. I still think it will happen but **** please stop pitching to Pujols!:angry:

batmanZoSo
10-22-2006, 01:09 AM
Yep, there would be precedent. If I'm not mistaken though, the '96 Yankees are one of only three teams in baseball history to have come back from losing their first two games at home to win the W.S. (1985 Royals, 1986 Mets were the others).

BTW, weren't the Yankees down in Game 3 in 1996 6-0 at one point? For it to be the Yankees, this was a pretty underrated comeback in World Series history. I mean, you hear about their '96 title, but you don't hear about how they went about taking it from the Braves. All you hear about is Jeffrey Maier in the ALCS.

Yeah, that was an amazing comeback in that it was such a dramatic turnaround for both teams. Although the Yankees never trailed in Game 3 (it was game 4 where they trailed 6-0 and won).

This was a Braves team that had been down 3-1 to the Cardinals in the NLCS and then won three straight to win the series in 7. Atlanta oustcored St. Louis and New York in those five games 48-2. Successively, 14-0, 3-1, 15-0, 12-1 and 4-0.

How in the hell do you utterly destroy your competition like that in 5 straight games and then lay a turd and lose the Series? Well, for one, it helps to be the Braves.

Timmy D's
10-22-2006, 01:37 AM
What the hell happened tonight.:angry: So during the NLDS some Cards homer I know bets me $50 that they would WIN THE WORLD SERIES! Yes I am serious. I still think it will happen but **** please stop pitching to Pujols!:angry:

I still dont understand that! Leyland was like hitting 18, w/ a dealer 7 showing on that hand.

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 01:56 AM
BTW, weren't the Yankees down in Game 3 in 1996 6-0 at one point? For it to be the Yankees, this was a pretty underrated comeback in World Series history. I mean, you hear about their '96 title, but you don't hear about how they went about taking it from the Braves. All you hear about is Jeffrey Maier in the ALCS.

As someone who was rooting for the Braves that year, I vividly remember the Yanks coming back from 6-0 in Game 3 and winning the Series 4-2.

:(:

Timmy D's
10-22-2006, 02:48 AM
Another La Tigre~ loss and David Bowe's "Panic in Detroit" is gonna be the theme song of St Louis(and my wallet).

The Dude
10-22-2006, 02:52 AM
but if StL wins it will piss off Cubdom, so that it will make it more tolerable.

:whocares

Does the D in your name stand for DumpJerry?:redneck

TommyJohn
10-22-2006, 08:37 AM
As someone who was rooting for the Braves that year, I vividly remember the Yanks coming back from 6-0 in Game 3 and winning the Series 4-2.

:(:
World Series Game 3 Played on Tuesday, October 22, 1996 (N) at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium

NY A (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TNYA31996.htm) 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 3 0 - 5 8 1
ATL N (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TATL31996.htm) 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 - 2 6 1

World Series Game 4 Played on Wednesday, October 23, 1996 (N) at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium

NY A (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TNYA31996.htm) 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 3 0 2 - 8 12 0
ATL N (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TATL31996.htm) 0 4 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 - 6 9 2

Box scores of games 3 and 4, copy and pasted from www.retrosheet.org (http://www.retrosheet.org)

soxwon
10-22-2006, 11:13 AM
It'll be great Sunday night when SL takes a 2-0 lead going back to St Louie!!!!
Take that Kitties!!!!

thomas35forever
10-22-2006, 01:38 PM
It'll be great Sunday night when SL takes a 2-0 lead going back to St Louie!!!!
Take that Kitties!!!!
Amen to that!

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 02:52 PM
World Series Game 3 Played on Tuesday, October 22, 1996 (N) at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium

NY A (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TNYA31996.htm) 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 3 0 - 5 8 1
ATL N (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TATL31996.htm) 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 - 2 6 1

World Series Game 4 Played on Wednesday, October 23, 1996 (N) at Atlanta-Fulton County Stadium

NY A (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TNYA31996.htm) 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 3 0 2 - 8 12 0
ATL N (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/TATL31996.htm) 0 4 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 - 6 9 2

Box scores of games 3 and 4, copy and pasted from www.retrosheet.org (http://www.retrosheet.org)


OK, I vividly remember the Yanks coming back from being 6-0 in *game 4* of the 1996 World Series.

:D:

DoItForDanPasqua
10-22-2006, 05:04 PM
OK, I vividly remember the Yanks coming back from being 6-0 in *game 4* of the 1996 World Series.

:D:

I believe it was the next day that the Cubune printed one of the cleverest headlines I have ever seen. "Yankees Burn Atlanta."

SoxFanPrope
10-22-2006, 07:08 PM
Play the damn game. I do not need John Mellencamp out there, who gives a ****. Sing the National Anthem and play the damn game.

Grzegorz
10-22-2006, 07:17 PM
This baseball in late October is for the birds. Would it be possible to get the World Series completed by the first week in October if the season was shortened ever so slightly and more double headers were played during the regular season?

GO TIGERS!

Timmy D's
10-22-2006, 07:18 PM
What the hell was he doin I wonder. Ummm John you're on. Half the friggin world is waitin on ya.

RadioheadRocks
10-22-2006, 07:21 PM
What the hell was he doin I wonder. Ummm John you're on. Half the friggin world is waitin on ya.

Is he also being sponsored by 7-11??? :roflmao: :rolling:

(for those of us in the Central Time Zone, that is)

RadioheadRocks
10-22-2006, 07:26 PM
Game time temp 40 with a wind chill of 33... Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 07:31 PM
Rogers with the white glove treatment of Pujols thus far tonight.

buehrle4cy05
10-22-2006, 07:31 PM
Did anyone see the shot of Rogers with the pine tar on his hand?

RadioheadRocks
10-22-2006, 07:32 PM
Rogers with the white glove treatment of Pujols thus far tonight.

Wussy :D:

patbooyah
10-22-2006, 07:32 PM
Did anyone see the shot of Rogers with the pine tar on his hand?

yes. awesome. finally some excitement in this series.:cool:

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 07:32 PM
Haha, Inge with another poor defensive play. Nice.

Chips
10-22-2006, 07:35 PM
Haha, Inge with another poor defensive play. Nice.

Too bad the Cards couldn't do anything with it.

peeonwrigley
10-22-2006, 07:36 PM
Anyone else hate Kenny Rogers?

infohawk
10-22-2006, 07:37 PM
Did anyone see the shot of Rogers with the pine tar on his hand?
Yeah, I did. As I was wondering about it, McCarver commented on it. He seemed to sound like he believed it could very well be something illegal. It looked like pine tar to me. If not, what could it possibly be and has Rogers been using it all year? Hmmmm....

patbooyah
10-22-2006, 07:37 PM
Anyone else hate Kenny Rogers?

i'm guessing some of the camera men hold a grudge, specifically the one who got the close up on the pine tar on his hand.

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 07:40 PM
Man. Craig Monroe sure showed up this World Series.

1-0 Tiggers.

Chips
10-22-2006, 07:41 PM
Meh.

QCIASOXFAN
10-22-2006, 07:42 PM
Anyone else hate Kenny Rogers?Yes. I also hate Monroe, Zumia and I-Roids.

Timmy D's
10-22-2006, 07:43 PM
Anyone else hate Kenny Rogers?

I do!!

RadioheadRocks
10-22-2006, 07:46 PM
Anyone else hate Kenny Rogers?

I pretty much hate everyone who skates by on their celebrity status, so three guesses and the first two don't count.

QCIASOXFAN
10-22-2006, 07:47 PM
:welcome: back to Earth Jeff Weaver.

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 07:47 PM
And the real "Mr. Trash" Jeff Weaver shows his ugly self this game.

Oh well.

:(:

RadioheadRocks
10-22-2006, 07:50 PM
And the real "Mr. Trash" Jeff Weaver shows his ugly self this game.

Oh well.

:(:


If there ever was a "trash vs.trash" matchup, I'd say this game qualifies with Rogers and Weaver pitching.

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 07:51 PM
Well well, the "discoloration" on Kenny's hand is suddenly gone, after Fox highlighted it.

Hmm....

infohawk
10-22-2006, 07:53 PM
Wouldn't it be funny if after removing the "substance" he got lit up?

RadioheadRocks
10-22-2006, 07:55 PM
Wouldn't it be funny if after removing the "substance" he got lit up?

It wouldn't just be funny, it would be Magnificent!!!!!!!! :D:

Timmy D's
10-22-2006, 07:55 PM
I think it was bar B que sauce.

The ole KC Masterpiece on the palm trick

SoxFanPrope
10-22-2006, 08:02 PM
I think it was bar B que sauce.

The ole KC Masterpiece on the palm trick
That was obviously Sweet Baby Ray's, get a clue!!!!

CanBuehrleWait
10-22-2006, 08:04 PM
That was obviously Sweet Baby Ray's, get a clue!!!!

MMMM sweet baby ray's pine tar :D:

CanBuehrleWait
10-22-2006, 08:05 PM
That was obviously Sweet Baby Ray's, get a clue!!!!
Whoops double post

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 08:06 PM
HUGE double play there.

:gulp:

Gavin
10-22-2006, 08:17 PM
I know I've missed the boat by a good hour, but I just wanted to note that Eric Byrnes is doing a great imitation of Pepper from ESPN 8, The Ocho.

SluggersAway
10-22-2006, 08:26 PM
The Rogers/pine tar incident is already on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers_(baseball_player) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers_%28baseball_player%29)

Anyone have a screen cap?

1951Campbell
10-22-2006, 08:31 PM
The Rogers/pine tar incident is already on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers_(baseball_player) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers_%28baseball_player%29)

Anyone have a screen cap?

That's fast.

It kinda looked like an iodine stain when I saw it.

Timmy D's
10-22-2006, 08:34 PM
Was just reading his biography on that wikidpedia link posted. I didnt realize he was from Plant City FL. I've travelled alot for work over the years and been all over, and that was about as trailer trash a town that I have ever seen. They must be proud of their local boy done good there. Heee Hawwww!!!

Timmy D's
10-22-2006, 08:40 PM
Ball hit him right in the taint:o: :o:

1951Campbell
10-22-2006, 08:40 PM
Yes, we need two replays of Molina getting hit in the junk.

:o:

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 08:42 PM
Why aren't the Tigers bunting here? Men on 1st and 2nd, 0 outs.

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 08:44 PM
Weaver screwed up bigtime and interfered with Pujols, who could easily have nailed Casey at third.

Tigers about to rip this game wide ****ing open.

:(:

Big Sandwich
10-22-2006, 08:44 PM
It just me or the World Series Logo's just look ugly on the tigers' white Uni's? It looks like a block from far away and just seems out of place

Chips
10-22-2006, 08:47 PM
It just me or the World Series Logo's just look ugly on the tigers' white Uni's? It looks like a block from far away and just seems out of place

You look like a troll.

Timmy D's
10-22-2006, 08:47 PM
Why aren't the Tigers bunting here? Men on 1st and 2nd, 0 outs.

Same reason they pitched to Pujols last night. Leyland's hittin the sauce.

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 08:48 PM
Holy cow -- Mr. Trash gets out of a no-out, bases-loaded jam!

:o:














:gulp:

goon
10-22-2006, 08:48 PM
jeff "el duque dos" weaver


half-teal.

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 08:49 PM
Anyone else getting tired of all these new ads that vaguely try to rip off Napoleon Dynamite-style stupidity?

Chips
10-22-2006, 08:50 PM
Holy cow -- Mr. Trash gets out of a no-out, bases-loaded jam!

:o:



:gulp:

:supernana:

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 08:51 PM
The Rogers/pine tar incident is already on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers_(baseball_player) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers_%28baseball_player%29)

Anyone have a screen cap?

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20061023/capt.5066341922554e4db2bede05a37be3a9.world_series _cardinals_tigers_baseball_dts110.jpg

TDog
10-22-2006, 08:53 PM
Tigers have put 10 on in 4 innings and have just 2 runs -- one on a solo home run and on a 2-out double. That is winning baseball if your pitcher hits a shutout.

DoItForDanPasqua
10-22-2006, 08:58 PM
I just missed it, what was it that Molina said to Rodriguez?

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 08:59 PM
I just missed it, what was it that Molina asaid to Rodriguez?

You couldn't tell, but it looked like it might have been just friendly banter. Who knows.

DoItForDanPasqua
10-22-2006, 09:00 PM
Perhaps not in English, I was wondering if it was about pine tar.

Timmy D's
10-22-2006, 09:04 PM
:redneck I'm not 100% sure, but I think Molina said, "what's up wit you, you friggin' roid head freak!!??"

4th Gen. Sox Fan
10-22-2006, 09:07 PM
RBI single by Casey, 3-0 Tigers

SluggersAway
10-22-2006, 09:12 PM
I see that the underside of Kenny Rogers' cap is a dark color, but is it true that the rest of the team have hat's that are grey on the bottom of the bill?

Could he be hiding something underneath?

Big Sandwich
10-22-2006, 09:15 PM
Tigers have put 10 on in 4 innings and have just 2 runs -- one on a solo home run and on a 2-out double. That is winning baseball if your pitcher hits a shutout.

Reminds me of the last 2 months of the Sox season, runners in scoring position and a timely PK double play or fly out to mid center

Oblong
10-22-2006, 09:27 PM
I just missed it, what was it that Molina said to Rodriguez?


Ivan asked him about his "issue" earlier in the game on the foul ball.

"What do you think it felt like?"

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 09:39 PM
I'd like to nominate Juan Encarnacion as the *OFFICIAL* Worst Player in the 2006 World Series. He's been brutal in the field and especially at the plate.

RadioheadRocks
10-22-2006, 09:40 PM
I'd like to nominate Juan Encarnacion as the *OFFICIAL* Worst Player in the 2006 World Series. He's been brutal in the field and especially at the plate.

motion seconded

DSpivack
10-22-2006, 09:47 PM
I'd like to nominate Juan Encarnacion as the *OFFICIAL* Worst Player in the 2006 World Series. He's been brutal in the field and especially at the plate.

I'll call your Juan Encarnacion and raise you Preston Wilson.

JUribe1989
10-22-2006, 09:55 PM
I'll call your Juan Encarnacion and raise you Preston Wilson.


But at least Wilson can field, and they expect much more out of there #5 hitter Encarnacion. He has been god awful.

RadioheadRocks
10-22-2006, 10:02 PM
OMG a second Cardinals hit!!!!!!!!


and of course nothing more comes of it.

QCIASOXFAN
10-22-2006, 10:03 PM
What the hell? No comments on Rogers showing rare emotion after that double play by Buck and McCarver?

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 10:11 PM
Oh well. The Cardinals probably came into this series being happy to take one of the first two. Big game by the Gambler tonight and he delivered.

cbotnyse
10-22-2006, 10:18 PM
rut-roh.

QCIASOXFAN
10-22-2006, 10:19 PM
I hope they tie it up, those people would ****.:redneck

zmz723
10-22-2006, 10:20 PM
todd jones blowing it, bases loaded now.

TDog
10-22-2006, 10:20 PM
Todd Jones going for an impressive save here.

23Ventura
10-22-2006, 10:20 PM
rut-roh.
rut-roh indeed. Jones has gotten into quite the jam here.

kevingrt
10-22-2006, 10:20 PM
This game just got very interesting... I say bring in Zumaya

zmz723
10-22-2006, 10:22 PM
And the series moves to st. louis tied 1-1

Gavin
10-22-2006, 10:26 PM
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/ad/full.getty-72218924cc035_world_series__9_54_22_pm.jpg

jabrch
10-22-2006, 10:28 PM
I'd like to nominate Juan Encarnacion as the *OFFICIAL* Worst Player in the 2006 World Series. He's been brutal in the field and especially at the plate.

I want to wait until Jason Grilli and Neifi Perez get their chances. Either of them should be worlds worse than Encarnacion.

Green
10-22-2006, 10:34 PM
Here's another picture
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c70/knlevine/Pinetar2.jpg

illini81887
10-22-2006, 10:34 PM
Anyone else hear Dont Stop Beliving in background, they really want to be 2005 White Sox:smile: :D:

oeo
10-22-2006, 10:36 PM
I didn't see the "pine tar incident", I must have not been paying attention at the time.

Why was he not ejected? Guys have been ejected for pine tar before, why was there an exception?

People will say, well he still pitched well after the incident...but he shouldn't even have been in there that long, is it not an ejectable offense?

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 10:37 PM
Here's another picture
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c70/knlevine/Pinetar2.jpg

It's not often you see a guy cheat like that on national TV during the World Series, get busted, and still be able to remain in the game. That certainly looks like pine tar to me.

slobes
10-22-2006, 10:37 PM
I didn't see the "pine tar incident", I must have not been paying attention at the time.

Why was he not ejected? Guys have been ejected for pine tar before, why was there an exception?

People will say, well he still pitched well after the incident...but he shouldn't even have been in there that long, is it not an ejectable offense?

I believe it's because the umpire's never actually caught him with it on his hand. It was only seen on camera. After it was seen on camera, he took it off. I could be wrong though.

oeo
10-22-2006, 10:40 PM
I believe it's because the umpire's never actually caught him with it on his hand. It was only seen on camera. After it was seen on camera, he took it off. I could be wrong though.

I see. He should still be punished regardless. It's a "foreign substance", which is illegal, and there was obviously evidence of it. He cheated, he needs to pay the price, I don't give a **** if it's the World Series.

Note to those that call AJ a cheater...he did not cheat once during the 2005 postseason; this is cheating and Kenny Rogers better get a bad reputation for the rest of his career.

Oblong
10-22-2006, 10:46 PM
McCarver saw it and went and told his buddies in the St. Louis organization about it.


I bet it's iodide. Obviously if you are going to cheat you wouldn't make it so obvious, especially on a night when you'll be blowing into your hands all night.

This is a non story. ESPN and Fox just need something to talk about.

zmz723
10-22-2006, 10:47 PM
He claims that it was a clump of dirt on his hand. :rolleyes:

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 10:48 PM
McCarver saw it and went and told his buddies in the St. Louis organization about it.


I bet it's iodide. Obviously if you are going to cheat you wouldn't make it so obvious, especially on a night when you'll be blowing into your hands all night.

This is a non story. ESPN and Fox just need something to talk about.

It was pine tar. He cheated and got caught. Too bad he didn't get tossed out of the game, as he should have.

oeo
10-22-2006, 10:49 PM
The Cheater says it was "a clump of dirt".

Yeah, okay Kenny, you're not kidding anyone. A "no comment" would have made you look better than saying it was a clump of dirt.

kevingrt
10-22-2006, 10:49 PM
He claims that it was a clump of dirt on his hand. :rolleyes:

Can you say lie? He was squirming in the seat saying it. It's not excuse for the Cardinals and Rogers pitched awesome after he took it off his hand, but still cheaters suck!

Oblong
10-22-2006, 10:50 PM
It was pine tar. He cheated and got caught. Too bad he didn't get tossed out of the game, as he should have.

You know for sure it was pine tar? Did you go get his rag and test it?

Oh, you are speculating. Just wanted to clear that up.

CHISOXFAN13
10-22-2006, 10:53 PM
You know for sure it was pine tar? Did you go get his rag and test it?

Oh, you are speculating. Just wanted to clear that up.

Get lost. You actually think that's a clump of dirt after looking at the pic and seeing his reaction? You are clueless and should tell your story walking.

oeo
10-22-2006, 10:53 PM
You know for sure it was pine tar? Did you go get his rag and test it?

Oh, you are speculating. Just wanted to clear that up.

Foreign substance = illegal. Maybe it wasn't pine tar, but it was still something illegal. It definately doesn't look like a "clump of dirt". Go get a clump of dirt and put it on your hand and take a picture of it; I bet you can't make it look like that. It looks like it's all over his hand, it's on his thumb as well.

Kenny Rogers = Cheater, period. There's no way to defend him, there's a huge picture with evidence right above. How do you defend that?

Since when has Kenny Rogers become a good guy? The guy is a total *******, always has been, always will be.

DoItForDanPasqua
10-22-2006, 10:55 PM
It will be a footnote in history, as he pitched a great game after he washed his hands.

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 10:55 PM
You know for sure it was pine tar? Did you go get his rag and test it?

Oh, you are speculating. Just wanted to clear that up.

If it was iodine -- as you speculated -- wouldn't Rogers have said so? Wouldn't he have had the balls to tell the umps what it was, rather than washing it off his hands, making him appear guilty?

Look at this close-up image here:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c70/knlevine/Pinetar2.jpg

Look at the substance on his hand -- it's uneven, "chunky" looking, and definitely not iodine, which is just a liquid. If it's dirt, what on Earth would his explanation be for why his hand suddenly, magically attracted a splotch of clumpy dirt, right on the part of his hand where his pitching hand fingertips would be. Oh my, what a coincidence!

I realize you're a Tigers fan, so you've got those blinders on, but to most folks it appears that he cheated, got busted, and somehow wasn't tossed out of the game for it.

oeo
10-22-2006, 10:59 PM
It will be a footnote in history, as he pitched a great game after he washed his hands.



He still cheated, though. And I can't believe they weren't all over him in the postgame show. If this was the Sox last year, they would have never shut up about it.

"Well, the White Sox catch yet another break, and are cheating their way to a championship."

goon
10-22-2006, 11:03 PM
"Well, the White Sox catch yet another break, and are cheating their way to a championship."


except the sox didn't cheat, just benefitted off some calls and playing smart. even if you are a tigers fan, you can't deny what is on kenny's hand looks to be pine tar, not dirt. dirt does not have that kinda of consistency, pine tar does. i don't really care honestly, he only had it in the first inning (that we're aware of) and it isn't the sox playing so... meh.



that is pine tar. you can see it glimmer, you see it smeared on and a chunk of it on the lower part of his palm, no doubt.

CubsfansareDRUNK
10-22-2006, 11:05 PM
He still cheated, though. And I can't believe they weren't all over him in the postgame show. If this was the Sox last year, they would have never shut up about it.

"Well, the White Sox catch yet another break, and are cheating their way to a championship."

Egg-freakin'-zack-tly. I don't care how well a game he pitched after it. The fact is, he cheated and should be punished accordingly. Can you imagine what the Cubune would have to say about it? :o:

Jjav829
10-22-2006, 11:10 PM
He claims that it was a clump of dirt on his hand. :rolleyes:

And their stories don't match. Rogers said that he noticed the "dirt" after the inning and washed it off. Rogers said no one said anything to him. Palermo says Rogers was told to wash his hands. Give me a break. I know a lot of non-hardcore baseball fans watch the World Series, and they obviously pander to them with the simplistic comments from McCarver, but please don't mistake us for idiots. It's obviously pinetar. He just happened to have "a clump of dirt" on his hand during all 3 playoff games he pitched.

MLB did this to try to cover it up so they didn't have to deal with the controversy of a top pitcher being ejected and suspended during the World Series. It's much easier for them to just tell him to wash it off and deny, deny, deny than it is to actually punish Rogers.

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 11:11 PM
I heard that Sportscenter showed footage of Rogers during all his postseason starts this year, and that same "clump of dirt" is on his pitching hand every time.

Ruh roh.

:gulp:

DoItForDanPasqua
10-22-2006, 11:11 PM
He still cheated, though. And I can't believe they weren't all over him in the postgame show. If this was the Sox last year, they would have never shut up about it.

"Well, the White Sox catch yet another break, and are cheating their way to a championship."


I wasn't denying he should be punished; I was only saying it didn't make a difference.

Chips
10-22-2006, 11:14 PM
I heard that Sportscenter showed footage of Rogers during all his postseason starts this year, and that same "clump of dirt" is on his pitching hand every time.

Ruh roh.

:gulp:


Interesting.

:unsure:

popilius
10-22-2006, 11:18 PM
Don't know if anyone's said this yet, but I've used pine tar on my bare hands to hit, and it looks exactly like that.

:gulp:

DoItForDanPasqua
10-22-2006, 11:21 PM
Don't know if anyone's said this yet, but I've used pine tar on my bare hands to hit, and it looks exactly like that.

:gulp:

Pine tar also has a very strong, distinct smell. The umpire should have noticed that just talking to Rogers.

CLR01
10-22-2006, 11:39 PM
If it was iodine -- as you speculated -- wouldn't Rogers have said so? Wouldn't he have had the balls to tell the umps what it was, rather than washing it off his hands, making him appear guilty?


Why would he be playing around with iodine anyway? I seriously doubt the raging cheater would have to dress he own cuts. That's why the team employs trainers and I didn't see any cuts on his palm.

I know, maybe Rogers was just applying some sunless tanning lotion before the game getting ready for his vacation in 2 weeks. Nobody wants to go to Aruba looking like a ghost. That stuff stains.

DaleJRFan
10-22-2006, 11:41 PM
You know for sure it was pine tar? Did you go get his rag and test it? Oh, you are speculating.

...and so are you. Were you in the dugout when he rubbed "iodine" onto his hand? Didn't think so. Even if it was iodine, which is wasn't, it would have stained his hand and the same exact mark would have been on his hand AFTER he washed his hands. Why is it that in every picture or screen capture, there is dirt stuck in the "area of question" and on the fingertips and thumb that touched this part of his hand? Dirt doesn't stick to iodine if the iodine is soaked into skin cells.

I bet it's iodide. This is a non story. ESPN and Fox just need something to talk about.

Again with the speculating. So you come to the Sox forum and tell us what's a story and what's not a story - because we are speculating? Shouldn't you be your forum gloating... or defending Rogers... or claiming 160 strikeout Granderson is the AL MVP?

He was caught using pine tar - and MLB did nothing about it. That's a pretty big story.

cheeses_h_rice
10-22-2006, 11:44 PM
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8021/cheaterkn4.jpg

CLR01
10-22-2006, 11:45 PM
What were TLR's comments after the game? He refused to talk about it during the in-game interview but did he say anything about what hppened on the field during the postgame presser?

DaleJRFan
10-22-2006, 11:45 PM
Why would he be playing around with iodine anyway? I seriously doubt the raging cheater would have to dress he own cuts. That's why the team employs trainers and I didn't see any cuts on his palm.

I know, maybe Rogers was just applying some sunless tanning lotion before the game getting ready for his vacation in 2 weeks. Nobody wants to go to Aruba looking like a ghost. That stuff stains.


The other thing is... why on earth would a pitcher put Iodine on his pitching hand?? Doesn't iodine DRY out the skin to which it is applied? I wouldn't want the fingertips on my pitching hand to be dry.

DoItForDanPasqua
10-22-2006, 11:46 PM
Again with the speculating. So you come to the Sox forum and tell us what's a story and what's not a story - because we are speculating? Shouldn't you be your forum gloating... or defending Rogers... or claiming 160 strikeout Granderson is the AL MVP?

He was caught using pine tar - and MLB did nothing about it. That's a pretty big story.

They generally don't do anything about such instances. Phil Niekro is in the hall of fame and it was brought up today that Steve Carlton was made to wash his hands during the 1980 World Series.

CLR01
10-22-2006, 11:46 PM
So...like...if cheering for the Cardinals meant you were supporting the cheating TLR what does it mean now for the people cheering for the *****cats?

RadioheadRocks
10-22-2006, 11:50 PM
"Kenny Rogers Fun With Photos"... I'm LOVING this!!!

TheOldRoman
10-22-2006, 11:57 PM
Jjav nailed it. The homeplate ump ****ed up BIG TIME. Rogers should have been immediately ejected when the ump saw the pinetar. You don't get any warnings. If an ump catches a player with a corked bat, will he order him to go get a different bat? No, he will throw his ass out.

MLB blew it big time, and now they have to cover it up. Rogers pitched a great game, but if he is tossed in the 1st, the Cards win this game. Teams don't win 4 out of 5 after losing two at home, especially with their best pitcher out. This blown call could have drastically changed the outcome of this series. It isn't a conspiracy, it is just stupidity from the umpire. Anyone want to bet the head of umpires will come out tomorrow with a "after speaking to the homeplate umpire again, he never told Kenny to wash it off. He didn't realize it was there":angry::angry::angry:

TheOldRoman
10-22-2006, 11:58 PM
What were TLR's comments after the game? He refused to talk about it during the in-game interview but did he say anything about what hppened on the field during the postgame presser?
He said he didn't know specifically about anything on his hand, but he told the umps his players thought the ball was moving funny.

DaleJRFan
10-23-2006, 12:03 AM
Rogers says that it was a clump of dirt on his hand and he didn't know that it was there... right. If I had a clump of dirt that size, stuck to a sensitive part of my body such as the palm of my hand, not only would I notice it but I would do something to remove it seeing as how it is uncomfortable.

Crock of ****. Maybe this explains why he has had his head handed to him in every other post-season outing, but suddenly this season he is unhittable. :angry:

Ima_Tigerfan
10-23-2006, 12:04 AM
Thought I would get my say in on this incident that occurred.

1) I don't think he was tossed from the game because the umpires never actually saw the pine tar and there was no official request, according to the head umpire, to go take a look at Kenny's hand. So, considering the umpires didn't have the video to look at, which is what we're all looking at, they NEVER actually saw the pine tar.

2) I think he should be suspended because that is obviously a foreign substance that can now be reviewed by looking at the TV screens. I think that if MLB doesn't suspend him, MLB is going to look just plain horrible.

Thats all.

CLR01
10-23-2006, 12:05 AM
Jjav nailed it. The homeplate ump ****ed up BIG TIME. Rogers should have been immediately ejected when the ump saw the pinetar. You don't get any warnings. If an ump catches a player with a corked bat, will he order him to go get a different bat? No, he will throw his ass out.

MLB blew it big time, and now they have to cover it up. Rogers pitched a great game, but if he is tossed in the 1st, the Cards win this game. Teams don't win 4 out of 5 after losing two at home, especially with their best pitcher out. This blown call could have drastically changed the outcome of this series. It isn't a conspiracy, it is just stupidity from the umpire. Anyone want to bet the head of umpires will come out tomorrow with a "after speaking to the homeplate umpire again, he never told Kenny to wash it off. He didn't realize it was there":angry::angry::angry:

I hate to interupt your usual umpire bashing but we don't know if the umpire did see it. We know that TLR waited until after the inning was over to go talk to the umpires and that Rogers washed his hands sometime during the bottom of the inning. I can believe the umpire if he said he never actually saw the pine tar on his hands. Sure we can look at the pictures that Fox showed us and the screen captures and say for certain it is there but the umps don't have that luxury. Mr. Unwritten Rules of Baseball should have had his ass out of the dugout before the top of the inning was up. I would be willing to bet someone in the Detroit clubhouse knew what Fox was showing and made sure to get word to Rogers to wash his hands ASAP as soon as he returned to the dugout.

CLR01
10-23-2006, 12:09 AM
Rogers says that it was a clump of dirt on his hand and he didn't know that it was there... right. If I had a clump of dirt that size, stuck to a sensitive part of my body such as the palm of my hand, not only would I notice it but I would do something to remove it seeing as how it is uncomfortable.

Crock of ****. Maybe this explains why he has had his head handed to him in every other post-season outing, but suddenly this season he is unhittable. :angry:

Not so fast there, Kenny may not be telling a complete lie. I'm sure there is some dirt clumped up there on his palm, it is just the pine tar that is holding it there. Have you ever tried wiping dirt out of pine tar? Not an easy task at all.

cheeses_h_rice
10-23-2006, 12:14 AM
Poor Kenny has a habit of having the same dirt sticking to his pitching hand. Dude's a living Pig Pen.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1589/img6306je2.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/66/img6307ks6.jpg

CLR01
10-23-2006, 12:15 AM
Dusty Baker don't mind no pine tar on Roger's hand as long as TLR and the Cards are cool with it. :rolleyes: I'm surprised he didn't go into detail about the cold night games and the white mans ability to play through it.

CLR01
10-23-2006, 12:16 AM
Poor Kenny has a habit of having the same dirt sticking to his pitching hand. Dude's a living Pig Pen.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1589/img6306je2.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/66/img6307ks6.jpg


Maybe he just has trouble wiping?? :dunno:

TheOldRoman
10-23-2006, 12:18 AM
I hate to interupt your usual umpire bashing but we don't know if the umpire did see it. We know that TLR waited until after the inning was over to go talk to the umpires and that Rogers washed his hands sometime during the bottom of the inning. I can believe the umpire if he said he never actually saw the pine tar on his hands. Sure we can look at the pictures that Fox showed us and the screen captures and say for certain it is there but the umps don't have that luxury. Mr. Unwritten Rules of Baseball should have had his ass out of the dugout before the top of the inning was up. I would be willing to bet someone in the Detroit clubhouse knew what Fox was showing and made sure to get word to Rogers to wash his hands ASAP as soon as he returned to the dugout.
The head of umpiring said in the postgame that the homeplate ump told Rogers to wash it off his hand. He didn't say he knew it was specifically pine tar, but he told him to get whatever it was off his his hand. Of course, Rogers said in the post game that the ump never mentioned it, and he washed it off on his own. Since the ump told Rogers to wash it off, he should have bothered to inspect it and determine what it was first. The ump made a big mistake.

Green
10-23-2006, 12:18 AM
Poor Kenny has a habit of having the same dirt sticking to his pitching hand. Dude's a living Pig Pen.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1589/img6306je2.jpg

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/66/img6307ks6.jpg

If that doesn't prove it, what else will?

TheOldRoman
10-23-2006, 12:21 AM
If that doesn't prove it, what else will?
Obviously, Kenny Rogers had dirt on his hand. Duh. And he didn't know about it, but washed it off when he discovered it. He also had dirt on his hand in his last two starts. Too bad he didn't discover it earlier. You would think he would be really uncomfortable with that dirt on his hand for two weeks.

DoItForDanPasqua
10-23-2006, 12:21 AM
If that doesn't prove it, what else will?

Wow, a suspension should be in order.

cheeses_h_rice
10-23-2006, 12:23 AM
If LaRussa had protested more vocally during the top of the 1st and asked the umps to actually inspect Rogers' hand, though, can you imagine the dilemma the umps would be faced with? By letter of the MLB rulebook, they'd have to eject Rogers and suspend him for the rest of the World Series. That one act alone could easily determine the outcome of the entire World Series; you just know that the umps, Bud Selig, and the entirety of MLB would not want to the "taint" of that. Not that I agree with what they did, but that was probably the cleanest, least controversial way to diffuse the situation.

The thing that frosts my ass is that this is now the third postseason game that Rogers has used a foreign substance on his pitching hand, and gotten away with it.

soltrain21
10-23-2006, 12:26 AM
And I was actually kind of starting to pull for the guy.....What the hell was I thinking?

DoItForDanPasqua
10-23-2006, 12:26 AM
If LaRussa had protested more vocally during the top of the 1st and asked the umps to actually inspect Rogers' hand, though, can you imagine the dilemma the umps would be faced with? By letter of the MLB rulebook, they'd have to eject Rogers and suspend him for the rest of the World Series. That one act alone could easily determine the outcome of the entire World Series; you just know that the umps, Bud Selig, and the entirety of MLB would not want to the "taint" of that. Not that I agree with what they did, but that was probably the cleanest, least controversial way to diffuse the situation.

The thing that frosts my ass is that this is now the third postseason game that Rogers has used a foreign substance on his pitching hand, and gotten away with it.

I don't think it would be much of dilemma, like you said the rule book is clear. It wasn't like he hit several batters or something that is left up to judgment.

gf2020
10-23-2006, 12:26 AM
Kenny Rogers obviously has been cheating the whole year. As a result, the Tigers' entire season should be vacated and the team with the next best record should be awarded the AL Wild Card and the entire postseason should be replayed.

Does anyone know who that team would be?

DaleJRFan
10-23-2006, 12:30 AM
Not so fast there, Kenny may not be telling a complete lie. I'm sure there is some dirt clumped up there on his palm, it is just the pine tar that is holding it there. Have you ever tried wiping dirt out of pine tar? Not an easy task at all.

:roflmao: :roflmao:

TheOldRoman
10-23-2006, 12:30 AM
If LaRussa had protested more vocally during the top of the 1st and asked the umps to actually inspect Rogers' hand, though, can you imagine the dilemma the umps would be faced with? By letter of the MLB rulebook, they'd have to eject Rogers and suspend him for the rest of the World Series. That one act alone could easily determine the outcome of the entire World Series; you just know that the umps, Bud Selig, and the entirety of MLB would not want to the "taint" of that. Not that I agree with what they did, but that was probably the cleanest, least controversial way to diffuse the situation.

The thing that frosts my ass is that this is now the third postseason game that Rogers has used a foreign substance on his pitching hand, and gotten away with it.La Russa said that he didn't know what it was, but his players thought the ball was moving funny. I don't know at which point he said it to the ump. I also don't know at which point the umpire told Rogers to wash it off. However, La Russa should have thrown a fit. If he thought for a second that Rogers had something on him, he should have bitched until the umps had to inspect him.