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oeo
10-20-2006, 09:18 AM
The Mets could dangle Milledge in a package for the Marlins’ Dontrelle Willis, who could add extra pizazz to one of baseball’s most exciting rosters. Or Minaya could try to pry complementary starters like Freddy García or Javier Vázquez from the White Sox.

Who else could we pry from the Mets?

Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/20/sports/baseball/20next.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin)

October26
10-20-2006, 09:41 AM
Who else could we pry from the Mets?

Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/20/sports/baseball/20next.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin)

I like the kid that pitched last night (game 7 NLCS), Oliver Perez. He pitched well, under the pressure of a playoff game. I know the Mets lost that game, but Perez showed me something last night.

Of course, Minaya is not an idiot. He's not going to give us Oliver Perez, but I'm thinking Vazquez and somebody for Perez and Milledge?

I believe Milledge is one of the Mets top prospects, so we'd have to give up one of our prospects, I'd imagine.

If Freddy Garcia's involved, then the price goes up for the Mets.

caulfield12
10-20-2006, 09:55 AM
I don't think the Mets are dumb enough to give up Perez now, not after they cited his number of strikeout total from 2004 and mid-90's fastball AND the fact he's left-handed about 22 times last night.

Realistically, you have Maine, Heileman and maybe Pelfrey.

The problem, of course, is that the Mets don't know the health of Pedro for the 2nd half of next season, but I think they would be willing to part with one unproven starter for a veteran that gives them some "certainty" in the rotation....like the Cardinals have with Suppan (although Suppan has only made $10 million the last three years and Javier and Freddy make that in one season).

They don't need a 3B, they have Wright. They don't need Uribe w/ Reyes. Maybe they could use Pods in LF, and I'm not sure if Floyd's contract expires this year or not.

Anderson would make no sense, because he's not going to displace Beltran and doesn't hit well enough for a corner spot. So it would have to be either Fields or Sweeney (as left fielders).

russ99
10-20-2006, 09:58 AM
Who else could we pry from the Mets?

Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/20/sports/baseball/20next.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin)

I wonder if Cliff Floyd may be pryable. Can he play left? I know he's got a pretty big contract, but he's a local boy.

CashMan
10-20-2006, 10:21 AM
PODS IS A FA! Why would he sign here to be traded to the Mets?

OEO Magglio
10-20-2006, 10:47 AM
PODS IS A FA! Why would he sign here to be traded to the Mets?
Probably because he's not a free agent.

itsnotrequired
10-20-2006, 10:49 AM
Probably because he's not a free agent.

Crede is though, right?

caulfield12
10-20-2006, 11:05 AM
I wonder if Cliff Floyd may be pryable. Can he play left? I know he's got a pretty big contract, but he's a local boy.

We don't need to get older, we need to get younger and more athletic.

Yeah, it would be a great Chicago athlete comes home story...but we're not going for a $125 million payroll any time soon.

Flight #24
10-20-2006, 11:07 AM
I don't think the Mets are dumb enough to give up Perez now, not after they cited his number of strikeout total from 2004 and mid-90's fastball AND the fact he's left-handed about 22 times last night.

Realistically, you have Maine, Heileman and maybe Pelfrey.



I'd offer: Freddy for either Milledge+Heilman+another prospect or reliever, or for Milledge+Perez.

Javy would be a bit more expensive because he's under control for 2 years. Say Milledge+Perez+prospect/reliever. Or Milledge+Maine.

Milledge becomes trade bait, and the pitchers go the the bullpen and become the "emergency starter" that McCarthy was this year. Or if they're attractive enough, they become trade bait for a Crawford/ARod/Young (or make another, more expensive starter expendable).

palehozenychicty
10-20-2006, 11:09 AM
I wonder if Cliff Floyd may be pryable. Can he play left? I know he's got a pretty big contract, but he's a local boy.

If we needed a DH, sure. Cliff Floyd is a good player, but he is way too injury-prone to be an everyday outfield at this stage of his career.

Beautox
10-20-2006, 11:32 AM
Who else could we pry from the Mets?

Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/20/sports/baseball/20next.html?_r=1&ref=baseball&oref=slogin)

There system is a little thin because most of their players are at the ML level.

CF Fernando Martinez (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Fernando%20Martinez&pos=OF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=494686) who was tearing it up before he got hurt with a mild knee injury, hes younger than Tabata, and left handed and depending on how his body fills out he might find himself in RF instead of CF.

RHP and former first round pick from '04 and third overall, Philip Humber (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Philip%20Humber&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=458950), he was coming back from Tommy John surgery this year and made his ML debut on sept 24th in relief, hes got his velocity back in the 90-94 range, plus curve and plus change, his place isn't the pen.

RHP Deolis Guerra (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Deolis%20Guerra&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=500610), a 6'5 17yr old RHP from San Felix, Venezuela, hes got a very high ceiling but its going to take a while to develop seeing how he would just be entering his senior year in high school.

LHP Jonathan Niese (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Jonathon%20Niese&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=477003) 142SO/67BB in 133.2IP between A and A+, don't know what he features aside from a + change up.

RHP Mike Pelfrey (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Mike%20Pelfrey&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=460059) '05 first round draft pick, his agent is Scott Boras but that wouldn't be a factor for a while, hes 6'7 with a good change up and curve and hes college polished, hes a power pitcher, hes already made and won his ML debut.

It appears the FO and club house has soured on Milledge a bit, kinda like Kazmir. Lastings reminds me alot like Dontrelle Willis personality wise, hes got 5 tool talent, people often talk about him and Nick Markakis in the same setence, Milledge is a bit younger, but Markakis is the better hitter thus far and left handed. The Mets also have Bannister (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Brian%20Bannister&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=446454) very meh, Alay Soler (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Alay%20Soler&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=434057) a 26 year old Cuban who was great in the minors but hasn't shown it at the ML level even though its a short stint.

Oliver Perez was a throw in from the pirates and was rushed by the padres, Olivers problem has always been repeating mechanics hes still young 25 and hes had success at the ML level in the past, hes got alot of upside and hes got great "stuff" and hes left handed, i would love to see what someone like Coop could do with him.

kittle42
10-20-2006, 07:35 PM
There system is a little thin


:o:

buehrle4cy05
10-21-2006, 01:30 AM
Milledge would be great, but he's not a leadoff hitter and he can't pitch.

It's tough to say it, but I'll pass, even though I really like the kid.

Beautox
10-21-2006, 02:25 AM
:o:

your going to police me on grammer after an in depth post like that? forshame :redface:.

KRS1
10-21-2006, 05:13 AM
Perez was someone I would have loved to take a chance on along with Roberto H. before the deadline, and seeing how the Mets pulled that off with just giving up Nady, it could have been very attainable. Ill never be a Nady fan, and thought the Mets would have done much better by holding on to Cameron, but they turned him around for good value.

Now on to Lastings. He obviously is a stud, and he wouldnt come cheap. However, with the Mets obviously needing, as well as looking to upgrade their pitching staff, he looks to be trade bait. Im pretty sure the Marlins would trade Willis for him and a prospect in a heartbeat, and that trumps any offer we could do. It makes some sense as the Marlins want a young CF, and have a ton of young pitchers they probably want to develop in the bigs as they have always done. They most likely squeeze out whatever good prospects the Mets have in that deal, and that makes it more likely to occur.

Like someone said, he isnt a leadoff hitter, and he doesnt pitch, so I would put that deal on the back burner for now. Especially because it would cost us pitching to pull off. Any deal that doesnt net us pitching upgrades, a SS, or a bona fide leadoff hitter, AND cost us pitching, really dont make sense to me right now.

FedEx227
10-21-2006, 09:36 AM
Perez was someone I would have loved to take a chance on along with Roberto H. before the deadline, and seeing how the Mets pulled that off with just giving up Nady, it could have been very attainable. Ill never be a Nady fan, and thought the Mets would have done much better by holding on to Cameron, but they turned him around for good value.

I was on the same boat. I thought he was a low-risk high-reward type guy. Nobody can be THAT bad after being so dominant as he was in 2004. But as with Thornton he had control problems and I saw no reason why we couldn't fix that. But more power to the Mets, they saw a diamond in the rough. Why the Pirates would just completely give up on a young, fireballing left-hander is beyond me...

oh wait they are the Pirates.

A. Cavatica
10-21-2006, 06:34 PM
your going to police me on grammer after an in depth post like that? forshame :redface:.

:o:

Flight #24
10-25-2006, 11:59 AM
FWIW, Rotoworld is discussing the parameters of what look like a tailor-made Sox-Mets deal.

The Mets are talking about the possibility of dealing Lastings Milledge.

Last week, general manager Omar Minaya said the team wasn't comfortable with handing Milledge the left field job next year. Manager Willie Randolph, talking about Milledge and reliever Aaron Heilman's roles next year, said "Who knows? They could be used in trades." In addition to using free agency, the Mets may seek a veteran starter in the trade market, and that's where Milledge and/or Heilman could come in handy.

Milledge+Heilman for Garcia sounds like a perfect deal for both sides. Maybe include other prospects/fringy players on one or both sides if necessary.

Sox get cash savings, a decent young reliever who could possibly start, and a former top prospect either for trade value or to free up Anderson/Sweeney for a deal (or Fields if they're set on Crede sticking around and being OK).

chisoxmike
10-25-2006, 01:17 PM
I wonder if Cliff Floyd may be pryable. Can he play left? I know he's got a pretty big contract, but he's a local boy.

**** no. And also no to Oliver Perez.

Flight #24
10-27-2006, 12:13 PM
Not to resurrect dead threads, but a bit of a rumor emerging from NY that the Mets won't pursue Zito, Soriano, or Manny, and that they still want a frontline SP, a 2B, and an LF. This per the NY Post, so take it FWLIW.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10272006/sports/mets/source__mets_not_gunning_for_big_3_mets_mark_hale. htm

If only there was a team that had a frontline SP (*cough*Garcia*cough*), a middle infielder (*cough*Uribe*cough*) and an LF to offer (*cough*Podsednik*cough*) to the Mets for prospects and relief pitching.

:cool:

oeo
10-27-2006, 12:42 PM
Not to resurrect dead threads, but a bit of a rumor emerging from NY that the Mets won't pursue Zito, Soriano, or Manny, and that they still want a frontline SP, a 2B, and an LF. This per the NY Post, so take it FWLIW.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10272006/sports/mets/source__mets_not_gunning_for_big_3_mets_mark_hale. htm

If only there was a team that had a frontline SP (*cough*Garcia*cough*), a middle infielder (*cough*Uribe*cough*) and an LF to offer (*cough*Podsednik*cough*) to the Mets for prospects and relief pitching.

:cool:

Who fills the then gaping hole of SS/lead-off hitter? Is Milledge capable of leading off?

And what do the Mets want with Uribe or Podsednik?

Britt Burns
10-27-2006, 12:47 PM
I'd trade any one of our starters (except McCarthy, perhaps) for Milledge. He is going to be a star, and would fit in very well with the type of ball Ozzie likes to play.

Flight #24
10-27-2006, 12:53 PM
Who fills the then gaping hole of SS/lead-off hitter? Is Milledge capable of leading off?

And what do the Mets want with Uribe or Podsednik?

Apologies, I was assuming that the Sox would then make some kind of move to either get ARod/Young for SS and a Dave Roberts type for LF or a deal for Crawford and maybe a Vizquel for SS.

The theory being that you could add prospects from the Sox to the ones from the Mets and form an attractive package for a Young or Crawford.