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LITTLE NELL
10-20-2006, 04:49 AM
In the strike shortened season of 1994, are the Sox credited with an official division title? I say yes in an argument with a flub fan.

Mohoney
10-20-2006, 04:51 AM
In the strike shortened season of 1994, are the Sox credited with an official division title? I say yes in an argument with a flub fan.

I'm not sure, but I do know that Frank is credited with an official MVP.

sox1970
10-20-2006, 06:00 AM
In the strike shortened season of 1994, are the Sox credited with an official division title? I say yes in an argument with a flub fan.

No. Division titles were not awarded in 1994. Baseball-Reference.com has "DIV" next to division winners in each team's year-by-year results. There is no "DIV" next to 1994, nor should there be. 113 games are not enough, and Cleveland was one game back and the Royals were four games back at the time of the strike. The Sox may have gone on to win the division, but without playing a full schedule and playing a postseason, it would have been ridiculous to award division titles.

EDIT: Furthur proof division titles were not awarded is the fact that the Braves boasted about their 14 straight division titles that ended this year. 1991-2005: That's 15 seasons. So they do omit 1994 from that statistic, plus they were in second place at the time of the strike.

DumpJerry
10-20-2006, 07:31 AM
Don't get into baseball arguments with Cub fans. Really. It's not worth it.

batmanZoSo
10-20-2006, 08:31 AM
Even if they do "award" Division Titles, it still doesn't count. More importantly, who gives a flying poo about '94 anymore and why should any of us need to argue with cub fans about anything? We're the reigning Champions. The last team to hoist the WS trophy is the Chicago White Sox (for at least another week or so).

:pee '94

Dan H
10-20-2006, 11:12 AM
As I remember the White Sox advertised themselves as division champions in 1995 and I also remember George Bova saying major league baseball did that for legal reasons. However, as another poster wrote, it is completely meaningless. First, you don't crown division winners in August (just ask the 1969 Cubs) and secondly, a division title without a post season only adds up to frustration. Some Jerry Reinsdorf apologists have tried to pass this off as two consecutive first place finishes and that we fans should be grateful. The best thing to do about 1994 is to forget it. All of baseball betrayed us that year and there was no excuse for it. It is a part of Jerry Reinsdorf's mixed legacy of success and failure.

DumpJerry
10-20-2006, 12:00 PM
1994 does not appears on the division champs banner at Comiskey. Check it out on April 2nd.

TheOldRoman
10-20-2006, 12:08 PM
1994 does not appears on the division champs banner at Comiskey. Check it out on April 2nd.
That may be, but they DID raise a 94 champs banner. I remember watching it on TV. First home game of the year, cold and rainy. Ozzie pulled the rope to raise the flag. I remember it well.

Lip Man 1
10-20-2006, 12:17 PM
The White Sox media guide for 2005 lists these as 'clinching' dates for pennants / divisions:

10/3/06
9/21/17
9/24/19
9/22/59
9/17/83
9/27/93
9/24/00
9/29/05

No listings of any kind for 94.

Lip

LuvSox
10-20-2006, 12:21 PM
Don't piss on '94 Batman. Outside of baseball that year rocked. :Rocker:


:)

Max Power
10-20-2006, 01:18 PM
I'm 99% positive that the White Sox official site did at one time (several years ago) list 1994 as a division championship year. Obviously it doesn't now. And ultimately, it shouldn't list it.

hose
10-20-2006, 06:01 PM
The '94 Sox are what we thought they were.
They are what we thought they were.
They played in Spring Training.
They played 3/4 of the season.
If you want to crown them , then crown their ass.
The '94 Sox are what we thought they were.

getonbckthr
10-20-2006, 06:06 PM
The '94 Sox are what we thought they were.
They are what we thought they were.
They played in Spring Training.
They played 3/4 of the season.
If you want to crown them , then crown their ass.
The '94 Sox are what we thought they were.
To follow that famous NFL moment I come hard with:

"Playoffs!?, Playoffs!?, I don't think we'll win another game, and you wanna talk about Playoffs!?"

Wsoxmike59
10-20-2006, 06:11 PM
That may be, but they DID raise a 94 champs banner. I remember watching it on TV. First home game of the year, cold and rainy. Ozzie pulled the rope to raise the flag. I remember it well.

Old Roman, I think you're confusing Opening Day 1994 against the Red Sox and the Sox raised the West Division Championship banner that day for 1993 and Ozzie did the honors since he was the longest tenured member of the Sox roster at the time.

Opening Day 1995 was a bleak affair against the Brewers, the first game back after the strike and I was there. No banners were raised for the '94 team, and there were a ton of boo's from the home crowd to the players for their part in the fiasco that was the Strike of 1994.

Opening Day '94 was a festive occasion.

Opening Day '95 was a total bitch fest toward the Players.

aryzner
10-21-2006, 02:51 PM
The '94 Sox are what we thought they were.
They are what we thought they were.
They played in Spring Training.
They played 3/4 of the season.
If you want to crown them , then crown their ass.
The '94 Sox are what we thought they were.
:rolling:

TDog
10-21-2006, 03:16 PM
Old Roman, I think you're confusing Opening Day 1994 against the Red Sox and the Sox raised the West Division Championship banner that day for 1993 and Ozzie did the honors since he was the longest tenured member of the Sox roster at the time.

Opening Day 1995 was a bleak affair against the Brewers, the first game back after the strike and I was there. No banners were raised for the '94 team, and there were a ton of boo's from the home crowd to the players for their part in the fiasco that was the Strike of 1994.

Opening Day '94 was a festive occasion.

Opening Day '95 was a total bitch fest toward the Players.

I wasn't there, but I'm sure you're right. The 1995 season even started late because of the '94 strike threatened to shut down the next season. I remember watching Ozzie raise the '93 banner on TV. I can't imagine the Sox doing anything in '95 to remind fans of '94. Management was probably grateful to have fans at the ballpark.