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lakeviewsoxfan
09-30-2006, 06:23 PM
Anderson
Sweeney
Owens
Fields (I know he is a 3B but with Crede)
This poll sucks

I have to go with Fields he just looks like he will mature into a stud.

chisoxmike
09-30-2006, 06:31 PM
:anderson:
"You'll never know if I don't play."

Frater Perdurabo
09-30-2006, 07:38 PM
:anderson:
"You'll never know if I don't play."

Agreed.

I too voted for Anderson.

Sox-o-matic
09-30-2006, 08:56 PM
I like Fields' approach better than any of the others so far. In just a few AB's I've seen him battle against guys that I think would overmatch the others. If his AAA stats are any indication, he has power and can hit for average, so I would think has the greatest chance of any to have a nice career offensively.

That said, I think other teams are noticing this too and I think over the offseason he may be the biggest chip in Kenny's possesion. I think Crede will end up signing a 3 year extension and Fields will be starting at 3B for someone in the NL.

As for the others, I think Anderson will shut a lot of people up next year. I just hope he does it on the South Side.

BiggestFan14
09-30-2006, 09:27 PM
Anderson is the best right now, and will continue to be the best. But the others will be great too.

Myrtle72
09-30-2006, 09:37 PM
This was hard for me to answer because I think they're all showing a lot of promise for different reasons.

Fields stands out to me though. He's made a couple of plays/hits that stand out to me and impress me. Plus, based on interviews I've seen with him, I think he's got a lot of drive, excitment, and passion for the sport, more so than any of the other players, I think.

Hitmen77
09-30-2006, 10:33 PM
I really can't say who shows the most promise. What I do know is that most of them bring their own qualities aren't all interchangable:

Anderson: The only legitimate CF of the bunch.
Owens: Best speed out of the four
Fields: Can play 3B. Very important if Crede's back gets worse or if Joe leaves after '08.
Sweeney: Could be a great corner outfielder and possibly eventual successor to Dye.

EndemicSox
09-30-2006, 11:05 PM
If Fields is considered an OF, he has more potential in his left kidney than the other folks listed.

DumpJerry
09-30-2006, 11:19 PM
Too bad this is not a public poll. I'm curious to see who voted Sweeney given our limited exposure to him this month.

I voted Anderson, there is insufficient data to make an opinion on the others.

shoelessshaun27!
10-01-2006, 12:01 AM
I want Brian to play more, he did have an amazing ending there. You just have to have a little patience but I don't think Kenny is going to wait for him to mature. Th Sox usually don't ever have time to develop players, we have traded so many prospects, and Brian is one I'd like to keep.

Grzegorz
10-01-2006, 06:49 AM
:anderson:
"You'll never know if I don't play."

Yep, right on the money...

dickallen15
10-01-2006, 09:56 AM
Too bad this is not a public poll. I'm curious to see who voted Sweeney given our limited exposure to him this month.

I voted Anderson, there is insufficient data to make an opinion on the others.
I voted for Sweeney. I've seen him play just a few times, but I love his swing and there is something about him that makes me feel he is going to be a very good hitter. He also can throw. We really have very little exposure to Anderson as well. I'm not all that excited about Fields. He had a good year, but 19 homers and 70 rbi at Charlotte at his age doesn't bring "future all star" to my mind immediately. They all have potential to be good, and hopefully all of them will be.

35th&Shields
10-01-2006, 09:59 AM
The great thing about this poll is that all of these guys will be major league ballplayers at some point. From the glimpses we've seen this year, I voted for Sweeney. He's only 21 and is still growing physically and as a player. I agree that BA will have a really good year next year, but over time I think Sweeney will be the better ballplayer. This is a good problem to have.

0o0o0
10-01-2006, 11:46 AM
I voted Anderson, there is insufficient data to make an opinion on the others.

What he said.

Chips
10-01-2006, 11:49 AM
Too bad this is not a public poll. I'm curious to see who voted Sweeney given our limited exposure to him this month.

I voted Anderson, there is insufficient data to make an opinion on the others.

Exactly Dump.

Anderson is only one who I've seen play often enough to make a good assessment.

cbotnyse
10-01-2006, 11:52 AM
Anderson because he is the only one I have seen play, and I'll just never figure out why he didnt get more starts in CF. I really think Rob hurts us this year being out there too much.

TheOldRoman
10-01-2006, 12:08 PM
Aside from Owens, I think they will all be very good major leaguers.
I have been on the BA bandwagon all year, and I ain't getting off now. His defense is amazing, and I think he matured as a hitter over the year. I think he will be a very good player for a long time.
However, in the limited time I have seen Sweeney play, I have a massive man-crush on him. I don't know what I see in this kid, but I think he is going to be a great, great player. He has impressed me a lot.

Jjav829
10-01-2006, 12:47 PM
However, in the limited time I have seen Sweeney play, I have a massive man-crush on him. I don't know what I see in this kid, but I think he is going to be a great, great player. He has impressed me a lot.

:thumbsup:

I have the exact same thoughts. I've even gone so far as to predict to one WSI poster (*cough* batman *cough*) that Sweeney will be our opening day centerfielder next year and I'll stand by that.

JB98
10-01-2006, 01:03 PM
:thumbsup:

I have the exact same thoughts. I've even gone so far as to predict to one WSI poster (*cough* batman *cough*) that Sweeney will be our opening day centerfielder next year and I'll stand by that.

I agree. I watched a lot of the spring training games last March, and I really like Sweeney's swing. Nothing I've seen here in September has changed my opinion. He has a chance to be a really good hitter, and he seems like he loves the game and will work tirelessly to meet his goals. And he's a good outfielder too. Not as good as BA, but the gap between the two is a lot narrower than people here seem to think it is.

The more I see Anderson, the less I like him. Give Sweeney 400 ABs, and I'll bet his batting average will be higher than .227.

digdagdug23
10-01-2006, 01:10 PM
Too bad this is not a public poll. I'm curious to see who voted Sweeney given our limited exposure to him this month.

I voted Anderson, there is insufficient data to make an opinion on the others.

:redneck I did, but only based on personal experience, I know him and his family.

goon
10-01-2006, 01:30 PM
i like andeson's defense in centerfield, but i hope sweeney takes dye's place in a couple of years in rightfield. i really like sweeney's approach at the plate and he seems to field the ball well in the left and right, plus he's young, very young.

i wouldn't mind seeing joe sign an extension and trade josh fields w/ a starting pitcher for our boy down in tampa.

Crede_Fan
10-01-2006, 02:51 PM
Too bad this is not a public poll. I'm curious to see who voted Sweeney given our limited exposure to him this month.

I voted Anderson, there is insufficient data to make an opinion on the others.


I voted for Sweeney. It is just a gut feeling. I really like his confidence & poise.

caulfield12
10-01-2006, 03:16 PM
Sweeney was born to be a baseball player. He might not be the fastest, he might not hit 30-40 homers, but he does everything well. And he's still very young.

Gregory Pratt
10-01-2006, 04:43 PM
Anderson looks to me like a guy who will be a mediocre singles hitter all his life with no exceptional speed or good baserunning abilities.

Sweeney is my favorite. His swing is oh-so-smooth. Anderson's isn't, and he can't hit a breaking pitch to save his life. He has so little power, it's embarrassing. If it weren't for his D, he'd be a career minor leaguer.

Sox-o-matic
10-01-2006, 05:44 PM
Anderson looks to me like a guy who will be a mediocre singles hitter all his life with no exceptional speed or good baserunning abilities.

Sweeney is my favorite. His swing is oh-so-smooth. Anderson's isn't, and he can't hit a breaking pitch to save his life. He has so little power, it's embarrassing. If it weren't for his D, he'd be a career minor leaguer.

What? Anderson has plently of power. It's the solid contact thing that gives him trouble.

TaylorStSox
10-01-2006, 06:24 PM
Everything about Sweeney tells me that he's going to be a fantastic player. IMO, he's a more athletic Olerud. The thing that's really impressed about him at the plate, is his ability to adjust to pitches even when he's completely fooled.

Gregory Pratt
10-01-2006, 06:31 PM
What? Anderson has plently of power. It's the solid contact thing that gives him trouble.

Maybe he does have plenty of power. He hasn't shown it at all, but for his at-bats against the Seattle Mariners, for some reason.

Everything about Sweeney tells me that he's going to be a fantastic player. IMO, he's a more athletic Olerud. The thing that's really impressed about him at the plate, is his ability to adjust to pitches even when he's completely fooled.

Even though he hasn't come out hitting like a Stud, he hasn't looked LOST at the plate like a lot of rookies do. He looked confident and sturdy, and he always gave up good at-bats.

Better than Mr. I-Can't-Hit-a-Breaking-Pitch in Centerfield.

DaleJRFan
10-01-2006, 06:33 PM
I voted Owens, just because he's a lot of fun to watch.

TaylorStSox
10-01-2006, 06:36 PM
I voted Owens, just because he's a lot of fun to watch.



Agreed. He's fun to watch, but the thing about Owens is that he sucks. He's not a ball player. By the time he gets it he'll be so old that his number 1 asset will have dwindled.

SOXSINCE'70
10-01-2006, 06:48 PM
:hawk
"I looooooove to watch Ryan Sweeney play."

DaleJRFan
10-01-2006, 06:54 PM
Agreed. He's fun to watch, but the thing about Owens is that he sucks. He's not a ball player. By the time he gets it he'll be so old that his number 1 asset will have dwindled.

Right. But, I thoroughly enjoyed watching Podsednik single, get thrown out stealing on a really lame slide... then Ownes comes up, singles and on the first pitch, steals second by beating the throw to the base.

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/images/2006/02/23/WwCQgTmR.jpg
"This is how you do it, Scott."

JB98
10-02-2006, 02:42 AM
i like andeson's defense in centerfield, but i hope sweeney takes dye's place in a couple of years in rightfield. i really like sweeney's approach at the plate and he seems to field the ball well in the left and right, plus he's young, very young.

i wouldn't mind seeing joe sign an extension and trade josh fields w/ a starting pitcher for our boy down in tampa.

What makes you think Dye is going to be gone in a couple years? I think Jermaine has a lot of baseball left in him, and Sweeney will be ready for the big leagues well before it's time for Dye to move on.

viagracat
10-02-2006, 09:48 AM
I have a friend who knows Fields' family, and the consensus is this kid has great potential talent and attitude. So far, they seem to be right. If the Sox throw him in as part of a deal, they do so at their peril.

I have mixed feelings toward BA. But I'll stay positive here and assume he's going to be working on the things he needs to work on between now and next April (breaking balls, taking charge in CF and learning to get along with Ozzie, who ain't going anywhere).

Haven't seen Sweeney or Owens enough yet to say for sure, but I have a real good feeling about Sweeney especially.

JB98
10-02-2006, 01:58 PM
I have a friend who knows Fields' family, and the consensus is this kid has great potential talent and attitude. So far, they seem to be right. If the Sox throw him in as part of a deal, they do so at their peril.

I have mixed feelings toward BA. But I'll stay positive here and assume he's going to be working on the things he needs to work on between now and next April (breaking balls, taking charge in CF and learning to get along with Ozzie, who ain't going anywhere).

Haven't seen Sweeney or Owens enough yet to say for sure, but I have a real good feeling about Sweeney especially.

My take on Owens is he's a real good athlete that the Sox are trying to turn into a baseball player. I'm not sure that's going to work, but his speed makes him an intriguing prospect.

southside rocks
10-02-2006, 02:14 PM
I voted Sweeney simply because as some others commented, I like the presence and the poise he shows. For his age -- he's only 21, which is a few years younger than all the others listed there -- that's remarkable, IMO.

I started out the year a HUGE Anderson supporter, and got into some nasty disagreements with co-workers who are fans and who wanted BA sent down to AAA in June. I said that the kid would hit, and that there was no denying his abilities in CF.

Problem is, Anderson didn't hit very much at all. From the Sox website:

After hitting .161 in April, .167 in May and .196 in June, Anderson bounced back to hit .313 in July and .296 in August after receiving a vote of confidence from manager Ozzie Guillen and Williams. His on-base percentage even rose to .364 in August. But Anderson has closed out the season on a slightly lower note, hitting .217 in September, prior to Saturday's rare start in the second slot of the lineup.

So he had 2 good months out of 6, at the plate. That won't cut it. He had 365 AB this year, and played in 134 games ... I know Ozzie played Mack too much, but really, a rook has to do better than BA did when he comes to the plate 365 times in a season.

Consider this: Ian Kinsler (Texas Rangers) this year in 423 AB hit .286. Chris Duncan (Cardinals) this year in 280 AB hit .293.

For all three of those guys, it was their first year in the bigs. All three of them played on the same high-school team in Arizona and are the same age. Kinsler and Duncan had respectable rookie years. Anderson did not. That this is somehow, in the minds of some fans, Ozzie Guillen's fault is more than a little strange to me. :?:

Anderson really needs to show in winter ball that he can play at the major-league level, and that starts with hitting major-league pitching.

Sweeney -- too soon to tell, but he doesn't appear to be overwhelmed by things that he's not yet good at, which I like to see. Someone said he was born to play baseball. He sure looks it!

Bob G
10-02-2006, 02:26 PM
There's no way we should give up on BA - many players take 2-3 years to develop. It's a good thing we didn't give up on Crede ...We'll have to see how Brian looks next spring after playing winter ball but I think he should be our starting CF.

IMO we should have 2-3 rookies or players with one year of experience on the team - the Sox have some excellent talent and I think the toughest decision will be who makes the roster, who spends another year in AAA and who gets traded.

Given the fact that we already have a very good bench Kenny and Ozzie will need to make sure we maintain the right mix of experience and youth.

Flight #24
10-02-2006, 03:23 PM
Problem is, Anderson didn't hit very much at all. From the Sox website:

After hitting .161 in April, .167 in May and .196 in June, Anderson bounced back to hit .313 in July and .296 in August after receiving a vote of confidence from manager Ozzie Guillen and Williams. His on-base percentage even rose to .364 in August. But Anderson has closed out the season on a slightly lower note, hitting .217 in September, prior to Saturday's rare start in the second slot of the lineup.

So he had 2 good months out of 6, at the plate. That won't cut it. He had 365 AB this year, and played in 134 games ... I know Ozzie played Mack too much, but really, a rook has to do better than BA did when he comes to the plate 365 times in a season.

You answered your own issue. BA started out horrific, but he turned it around. Only down the stretch, after batting ~.300 for 2 months, he was not only jerked around by Ozzie, playing sporadically, but also being publicly called out as having failed offensively - with no mention of the fact that he'd actually improved dramatically over the year. It's not at all surprising that he ended the year on a slump. When you bust your ass all year & improve but your boss not only doesn't notice it, but acts as if it never happened, how much confidence can you have?

Sweeney's done nothing to make me think he can hit better than BA in 2007. And I'm concerned with his lack fo power for a guy who projects as a corner OF. IMO Fields - Anderson - Sweeney is the "order of potential", and Anderson-Fields-Sweeney is the likely order of production for '07. That doesn't mean I don't like Ryan, but I think Fields looks like a star and I just haven't seen enough of Ryan to overcome what I see in his minor league stats.

Ol' No. 2
10-02-2006, 03:31 PM
You answered your own issue. BA started out horrific, but he turned it around. Only down the stretch, after batting ~.300 for 2 months, he was not only jerked around by Ozzie, playing sporadically, but also being publicly called out as having failed offensively - with no mention of the fact that he'd actually improved dramatically over the year. It's not at all surprising that he ended the year on a slump. When you bust your ass all year & improve but your boss not only doesn't notice it, but acts as if it never happened, how much confidence can you have?This sounds like a lot of excuses. Playing sporadically??? You make it sound as if he played one or two days a week, when he actually got about 2/3 of the playing time. He also had one more AB in September (.200) than he did in his best month (July).

You can't objectively call 2006 anything more than a disappointing season for Brian Anderson. It's not the end of the world. There are HOF players who had disappointing seasons in their rookie years. But let's not pretend 2 good months out of 6 and an overall .225 average is good - it's not. And let's not pretend it's Ozzie's fault or Greg Walker's fault or Steve Bartman's fault.

southside rocks
10-02-2006, 03:41 PM
This sounds like a lot of excuses. Playing sporadically??? You make it sound as if he played one or two days a week, when he actually got about 2/3 of the playing time. He also had one more AB in September (.200) than he did in his best month (July).

You can't objectively call 2006 anything more than a disappointing season for Brian Anderson. It's not the end of the world. There are HOF players who had disappointing seasons in their rookie years. But let's not pretend 2 good months out of 6 and an overall .225 average is good - it's not. And let's not pretend it's Ozzie's fault or Greg Walker's fault or Steve Bartman's fault.


You said it very well. :cheers:

If a major-league ballplayer is such a hothouse flower that he wilts under the abuse heaped on him by Ozzie Guillen (which consists of noting to the media that the kid hasn't exactly hit his weight consistently) while playing for a WS champion team in one of the largest baseball markets in the country, then I have to wonder if maybe he's just too sensitive to make it. :rolleyes:

Anderson himself acknowledges that this was a disappointing year for him and that he has a lot of work to do to become the starting CF for the Sox in 2007. Aside from maybe his mother, I don't think anyone else needs to cut him more slack than he's cut himself.

Ken Berry, that premier CF for the Sox in the 60's and 70's, had a terrible rookie year, IIRC. Batted something like .218. Nobody booted him out, and he went on to be a stellar CF for years; but nobody pretended that it was anything other than a really unimpressive rookie year, either.

JB98
10-02-2006, 08:37 PM
For all three of those guys, it was their first year in the bigs. All three of them played on the same high-school team in Arizona and are the same age. Kinsler and Duncan had respectable rookie years. Anderson did not. That this is somehow, in the minds of some fans, Ozzie Guillen's fault is more than a little strange to me. :?:

Because fans need a scapegoat, and Ozzie is an easy target. The only thing saving Anderson from heavy criticism on this board is the fact that Mackowiak is a sorry defender. People are willing to overlook Anderson's sorry offense because he can catch the ball, and pitching and defense wins.

Anderson was far and away the least productive hitter on the team. Uribe's batting average stunk too, but he had numerous big hits for the team. Anderson had two big hits all year: a game-tying HR off Guardado in Seattle, and a two-run single off Rogers in an August home game against Detroit. That's about it.

The way I look at it is we had no adequate CF this year, and that's something KW needs to address this offseason. Joe Borchard had a better offensive season than Brian Anderson, for crying out loud.

southside rocks
10-03-2006, 10:18 AM
Because fans need a scapegoat, and Ozzie is an easy target. The only thing saving Anderson from heavy criticism on this board is the fact that Mackowiak is a sorry defender. People are willing to overlook Anderson's sorry offense because he can catch the ball, and pitching and defense wins.

Anderson was far and away the least productive hitter on the team. Uribe's batting average stunk too, but he had numerous big hits for the team. Anderson had two big hits all year: a game-tying HR off Guardado in Seattle, and a two-run single off Rogers in an August home game against Detroit. That's about it.

The way I look at it is we had no adequate CF this year, and that's something KW needs to address this offseason. Joe Borchard had a better offensive season than Brian Anderson, for crying out loud.

The Daily Southtown ran a great photo of BA hitting that shot, and I mailed it to Anderson and asked him to sign it and send it back to me. He did. :D:

I'm a big fan of the kid, but I don't see how it's doing him any favor to blame his shortcomings on anyone else. Brian Anderson has shown throughout his high school, college, Cape baseball, and minor-league ballplaying that he has immense potential. He is the consummante center-fielder and he has been able, until this year, to carry a pretty big stick in the batting department. If he can put it all together, he'll be a treasure for the Sox, a guy who becomes one of the mainstays of the team for years.

But it's on him to pull it together, it's not on Ozzie or on Mack or on KW. Let the guy own his performance, good or bad. It's dissing him to do otherwise. No major-league ballplayer wants excuses made for him.

Grzegorz
10-03-2006, 09:39 PM
Because fans need a scapegoat, and Ozzie is an easy target.

No, Ozzie is an easy target because he makes himself an easy target. I hope in 2007 that Ozzie:
1) shuts his mouth
2) manages his ballclub

Gregory Pratt
10-03-2006, 09:49 PM
No, Ozzie is an easy target because he makes himself an easy target. I hope in 2007 that Ozzie:
1) shuts his mouth
2) manages his ballclub

Why should the heart and soul of the White Sox shut up? Because some people don't like openness? Nuts to that. Guillen is refreshing because he's so different from other "Championship managers" who never say anything worth a quote.

JB98
10-04-2006, 02:30 AM
Why should the heart and soul of the White Sox shut up? Because some people don't like openness? Nuts to that. Guillen is refreshing because he's so different from other "Championship managers" who never say anything worth a quote.

I agree completely. There are plenty of people in sports who offer nothing but cliches. It's refreshing that Ozzie offers his opinions.

I don't believe for one minute that anything Ozzie says in the press has a negative impact on how the Sox play. I think a lot of people here assume these ball players are a bunch of sissies who need their asses kissed all the time and can't take criticism. IMO, the exact opposite is true. These players need coaching, and they need to be pushed.

There are certainly a lot of people here who think big, mean ol' Ozzie is picking on poor, innocent, fair-haired BA. :rolleyes:

batmanZoSo
10-04-2006, 03:02 AM
I agree completely. There are plenty of people in sports who offer nothing but cliches. It's refreshing that Ozzie offers his opinions.

I don't believe for one minute that anything Ozzie says in the press has a negative impact on how the Sox play. I think a lot of people here assume these ball players are a bunch of sissies who need their asses kissed all the time and can't take criticism. IMO, the exact opposite is true. These players need coaching, and they need to be pushed.

There are certainly a lot of people here who think big, mean ol' Ozzie is picking on poor, innocent, fair-haired BA. :rolleyes:

Failure brings out the finger pointing. Oh my, what went wrong? Maybe it was this guy, maybe it was that. You could've made all the same criticisms against Ozzie last year, but no one bothered because he won the World Series. And I'll say it again, he won the World Series. Anyone with a brain knows why we didn't this year.

Minnie Me
10-06-2006, 10:01 AM
I have two words for all those who believe "looks" like a ballplayer and believe that he was "born" to play baseball:

Kevin Bell

fquaye149
10-06-2006, 10:12 AM
Failure brings out the finger pointing. Oh my, what went wrong? Maybe it was this guy, maybe it was that. You could've made all the same criticisms against Ozzie last year, but no one bothered because he won the World Series. And I'll say it again, he won the World Series. Anyone with a brain knows why we didn't this year.

Duh! No heartrowand!

caulfield12
10-06-2006, 12:46 PM
I have two words for all those who believe "looks" like a ballplayer and believe that he was "born" to play baseball:

Kevin Bell

There are always going to be failures. Sure, Shawn 'Lil Abner LOOKED like a ballplayer too, or Ben Grieve, etc.

However, I never had the sense with Borchard that he was a baseball player, he always seemed more like an athlete TRYING to play baseball. Fields and Sweeney look like they belong out there.