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Lip Man 1
09-30-2006, 02:18 PM
This is the first time the Chicago White Sox have garnered back to back 90 or more win seasons since 1963 (94 wins), 1964 (98 wins), 1965 (95 wins)

Despite the disappointment of the season overall, this is still something worth noting.

Lip

chisoxmike
09-30-2006, 02:29 PM
Yeah, if there was something to play for this week, it was getting to the 90 mark for the season. Some say it doesn't matter since we're not going to the playoffs, but still, 90 wins is something, and the only thing we'll be able to take away from this disappointing season.

cheeses_h_rice
09-30-2006, 02:45 PM
Exactly. FWIW, stats still count, especially when you look back historically. 90 wins is nothing to sneeze at. Just sucks that it wasn't good enough to make the postseason this year.

:(:

Corlose 15
09-30-2006, 02:48 PM
This is another reason why this season isn't as frustrating as it could be. I'm still pissed they're not making the post season but we're also at a time when the organization is comitted to winning. They have the money and the desire. I fully expect to be back in the playoffs in 07 and they do too.

The fact that Sox fans are PISSED about winning only 90 games is pretty big.

oeo
09-30-2006, 02:49 PM
Yeah, if there was something to play for this week, it was getting to the 90 mark for the season. Some say it doesn't matter since we're not going to the playoffs, but still, 90 wins is something, and the only thing we'll be able to take away from this disappointing season.

Screw that, I want 91. :cool:

TheOldRoman
09-30-2006, 02:49 PM
Exactly. FWIW, stats still count, especially when you look back historically. 90 wins is nothing to sneeze at. Just sucks that it wasn't good enough to make the postseason this year.

:(:
It wasn't the 90 wins, the Sox weren't good enough to make the playoffs. 90 wins looks good, but it includes a very good (though not as good as it should have been) first half, and a horrible second half. After underachieving to a good record in the first half, they collapsed, and eventually gave up. This team, with the talent it had, should have won 105-110 games. 90 wins is a failure.

Myrtle72
09-30-2006, 03:04 PM
Despite the disappointment of the season overall, this is still something worth noting.
Lip

Definately. Thanks, Lip.

Hitmen77
09-30-2006, 03:39 PM
This is the first time the Chicago White Sox have garnered back to back 90 or more win seasons since 1963 (94 wins), 1964 (98 wins), 1965 (95 wins)

Despite the disappointment of the season overall, this is still something worth noting.

Lip

40 years is a long time to wait to accomplish this feat. Sox probably would have done it in '93 and '94, but we'll never know.

I agree that despite the disappointing season, this is a noteworthy milestone.

DeadMoney
09-30-2006, 03:45 PM
Screw that, I want 91. :cool:


91 would allow them to end 20 over .500. That would be nice. Although it doesn't mean anything because we won't be watching this team in the playoffs, it'd be something to build on.

sox230
09-30-2006, 04:13 PM
This is another reason why this season isn't as frustrating as it could be.


That is another reason why it is so frustrating. At a time when the White Sox are in the best financial position and also talent wise on the field, the AL has its best season in what seems like a hell of a long time because the NL sucks. If both leagues were more equal, the Sox would have gotten in for sure. If we made the playoffs, which most years we would have with this team and record, then we could have garnered more momentum in the city and gotten more fans, which equals more revenue. However, as I say all this, we STILL had the postseason completely within our grasp nd still choked it away.

MarySwiss
09-30-2006, 04:33 PM
This is the first time the Chicago White Sox have garnered back to back 90 or more win seasons since 1963 (94 wins), 1964 (98 wins), 1965 (95 wins)

Despite the disappointment of the season overall, this is still something worth noting.

Lip

Yes it is. But DAMN IT! :angry:

SOXSINCE'70
09-30-2006, 04:41 PM
Yes,90 wins are nice,but a wild card berth and the chance to
defend the championship would be better.:(: :(:

But,as Mick Jagger and Keith Richards once wrote,
"You Can't Always Get What You Want".

flo-B-flo
09-30-2006, 04:48 PM
This is the first time the Chicago White Sox have garnered back to back 90 or more win seasons since 1963 (94 wins), 1964 (98 wins), 1965 (95 wins)

Despite the disappointment of the season overall, this is still something worth noting.

Lip Yes it is noteworthy.........but still
1964......my first year I was aware of baseball and the pennant race
It's also why I STILL hate the ****in yankers
Then the next year coming in second...............to the twins

Trav
09-30-2006, 06:25 PM
After reading Dan H's book on the 1977 Hitmen and understanding how Sox fans could get that excited about a team that didn't reach the playoffs I think I am beginning to understand just how big winning 90 games in back to back seasons is. If we did this last year, I think most people would be pretty happy and excited about the next year.

It's a let down not to make it to the post season in back to back seasons but I am pretty pumped about our chances next year. When Guillen signed on to become the skipper all I wanted was to see solid baseball on the Southside and we have seen a contender every year with him at the helm. I think it is important that KW and OG are on the same page and I have faith that as long as those two are in place Sox fans are going to have something to cheer about.

Go Sox.

Lip Man 1
09-30-2006, 06:32 PM
Historical Note Part II:

1. With the 90 wins by the White Sox, it marks the first time since MLB went to the three division, wild card format that the A.L. Central Division has three teams with at least 90 wins.

2. It's the first time MLB has had a division with three teams with 90 or more wins since 2002. That year both the A.L. West and the N.L. West turned the trick.

3. Since MLB went to the three division, wild card format in 1994 only three franchises and four teams have been to the World Series one year then failed to make the post season in the next one.

Here is the list:

Florida Marlins (won World Series in 1997, failed to make post season 1998)

Los Angeles Angels (won World Series in 2002, 2003)

Florida Marlins (won World Series in 2003, 2004)

Chicago White Sox (won World Series in 2005, 2006)

Lip

PaulDrake
09-30-2006, 06:43 PM
This is the first time the Chicago White Sox have garnered back to back 90 or more win seasons since 1963 (94 wins), 1964 (98 wins), 1965 (95 wins)

Despite the disappointment of the season overall, this is still something worth noting.

Lip For as long as I live, those three years are seared into my brain, and those three teams have a special place in my heart. They just weren't quite good enough, but they were better than a hell of lot of other teams that went to the WS since then.

Lip Man 1
09-30-2006, 07:13 PM
Paul:

Very much agreed. Kids today simply have no conception how damn good those clubs were. Incredibly good.

Lip

Brian26
09-30-2006, 07:47 PM
Since MLB went to the three division, wild card format in 1994 only three franchises and four teams have been to the World Series one year then failed to make the post season in the next one.

Here is the list:

Florida Marlins (won World Series in 1997, failed to make post season 1998)

Los Angeles Angels (won World Series in 2002, 2003)

Florida Marlins (won World Series in 2003, 2004)

Chicago White Sox (won World Series in 2005, 2006)

Lip

You missed at least one team.

The Padres lost to the Yankees in the 1998 World Series and failed to make the '99 playoffs (Mets, Braves, DBacks, Houston in the NL in '99).

Brian26
09-30-2006, 07:53 PM
. Since MLB went to the three division, wild card format in 1994 only three franchises and four teams have been to the World Series one year then failed to make the post season in the next one.

Here is the list:

Florida Marlins (won World Series in 1997, failed to make post season 1998)

Los Angeles Angels (won World Series in 2002, 2003)

Florida Marlins (won World Series in 2003, 2004)

Chicago White Sox (won World Series in 2005, 2006)

Lip

Also the Mets went to the World Series in 2000 and didn't make the '01 playoffs.

DumpJerry
09-30-2006, 09:59 PM
With today's win, the Sox got 90 wins for the season. This is the first time since 1963-1965 the Sox have had successive 90 win seasons.

oeo
09-30-2006, 10:03 PM
With today's win, the Sox got 90 wins for the season. This is the first time since 1963-1965 the Sox have had successive 90 win seasons.

Lip beat you by about 8 hours. (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=79639)

DumpJerry
09-30-2006, 10:04 PM
Lip beat you by about 8 hours. (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=79639)
:redface:
Sorry, got excited.

Lip Man 1
10-01-2006, 12:21 AM
Brian:

My bad. I should have stated 'won the World Series' and failed to make the post season the following year.

Lip

DSpivack
10-01-2006, 01:35 AM
Yes,90 wins are nice,but a wild card berth and the chance to
defend the championship would be better.:(: :(:

But,as Mick Jagger and Keith Richards once wrote,
"You Can't Always Get What You Want".

True, but maybe if they tried sometimes (a little harder) they would have gotten just what they needed (a playoff spot).

Grzegorz
10-01-2006, 05:56 AM
For as long as I live, those three years are seared into my brain, and those three teams have a special place in my heart. They just weren't quite good enough, but they were better than a hell of lot of other teams that went to the WS since then.

Excellent point; these winning seasons keep the fans interested and I'd bet generate new fans.

Hitmen77
10-01-2006, 09:28 AM
Brian:

My bad. I should have stated 'won the World Series' and failed to make the post season the following year.

Lip

So it's 4 teams out of 11 WS champs. In other words, about 1/3 of the time since the new format started, the champs failed to make the playoffs.

Dan H
10-01-2006, 11:04 AM
The consecutive 90-win seasons is an achievement, but 41 years is way too long. We should've never waited this long.

Lip Man 1
10-01-2006, 11:59 AM
Dan:

In fairness, the 1972 club probably would have won 90 games had the season not been shortened due to the first labor impasse that took games off the schedule. They finished with 87. Ditto for 1994. Possibly as well 1981.

Lip

Hitmen77
10-01-2006, 04:59 PM
Dan:

In fairness, the 1972 club probably would have won 90 games had the season not been shortened due to the first labor impasse that took games off the schedule. They finished with 87. Ditto for 1994. Possibly as well 1981.

Lip

A 90 win season over 162 games is a .556 winning pct. The '72 Sox only played 154 games and had a .565 winning pct. (projected to 91 wins). The '94 Sox only played 113 games and had a .593 winning pct. (projected to 96 wins).

If you counting those 2 teams, that's nine times since division play began in '69 that the Sox had 90 wins (or it's winning pct. equivalent).

DoItForDanPasqua
10-01-2006, 08:13 PM
If they only played in the National League, they would have clinched by Labor Day.

Iwritecode
10-02-2006, 10:13 AM
If we made the playoffs, which most years we would have with this team and record

The only year 90 wins was good enough to get into the playoffs was 2003. The Twins managed only 90 wins that year. Otherwise it usually takes 92 or more.

Dan H
10-02-2006, 12:59 PM
This will only make us feel only so much better, but the Cubs have not had back to back 90 win seasons since they did from 1928-30. Just another indication of that franchise's utter futility. Meanwhile, I hope the Sox can do more than win 90 next year,. Not being in the playoffs sucks.

Iwritecode
10-02-2006, 01:03 PM
This will only make us feel only so much better, but the Cubs have not had back to back 90 win seasons since they did from 1928-30. Just another indication of that franchise's utter futility. Meanwhile, I hope the Sox can do more than win 90 next year,. Not being in the playoffs sucks.

They have a hard time putting back-to-back winning seasons together much less 90-win seasons...