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sox1970
09-26-2006, 10:11 PM
I had to watch it just to see how cheesy it would be. It didn't disappoint.

Do you ever just wonder how much different your life would be if you were a Cubs fan? Thank god I have a dad that raised me the right way.

Kub_Killer_15
09-26-2006, 10:21 PM
How was it...What would you rate it as a Sox fan? My parents are more of a cub family but thank god for giving me the brains to pick out the better team. Talk about dodging a bullet there!

Sox-o-matic
09-26-2006, 10:24 PM
Didn't see it but I'm sure it sucked.

BTW, this is off topic, but did anyone see the HBO Real Sports feature on Darren Daulton? That was one of the funniest things I've ever seen on television. They interviewed him and he was saying all this occult bookstore stuff about being taken over by demons. Then they interviewed his wife and she said he drank too much.

thomas35forever
09-26-2006, 10:24 PM
BTW, this is off topic, but did anyone see the HBO Real Sports feature on Darren Daulton? That was one of the funniest things I've ever seen on television. They interviewed him and he was saying all this occult bookstore stuff about being taken over by demons. Then they interviewed his wife and she said he drank too much.
I saw it. He's crazier than Crazy Carl.

Sox-o-matic
09-26-2006, 10:30 PM
I saw it. He's crazier than Crazy Carl.

True. At least Carl doesn't think he's Froto from Lord of the Rings.

kittle42
09-26-2006, 10:33 PM
I saw it. He's crazier than Crazy Carl.

Nah. Seems just about the same to me.

jenn2080
09-26-2006, 10:35 PM
My brother and I watched it. Um ya. :roflmao: :puking:

ws05champs
09-26-2006, 10:45 PM
It's being rebroadcast at midnight tonight on another HBO channel. I love comedy so I think I'll tape it and watch it tomorrow.

mark2olson
09-26-2006, 10:52 PM
I had to watch it just to see how cheesy it would be. It didn't disappoint.

Do you ever just wonder how much different your life would be if you were a Cubs fan? Thank god I have a dad that raised me the right way.

The piece that HBO did about the Red Sox several years ago was much better, more dramatic. The Red Sox piece was something that, after seeing the beginning, I wanted to watch, it was interesting and it drew me in. It seemed, IMO, to capture the spirit of the fans. The Cub version tried to follow the same formula but spent more time dealing with the history of the Cubs.

RedHeadPaleHoser
09-27-2006, 07:34 AM
I watched it only to see what the in crowd reaction was during the 2003 NLCS. And, of course, they showed that poor SOB Bartman getting harassed and sworn at too. Even showed some no talent assclown winging a beer at him.

I hope Cubs security took care of that drunk, unruly fan and escorted him out, because Cub fans never throw things on the field or at other fans.

jenn2080
09-27-2006, 07:55 AM
The piece that HBO did about the Red Sox several years ago was much better, more dramatic. The Red Sox piece was something that, after seeing the beginning, I wanted to watch, it was interesting and it drew me in. It seemed, IMO, to capture the spirit of the fans. The Cub version tried to follow the same formula but spent more time dealing with the history of the Cubs.


And that ****ing goat!:rolleyes:

Luke
09-27-2006, 08:34 AM
I think they really glossed over the fact that a large portion of their fan base regards losing as cute. HBO sure did do a good job of finding some weird fans to interview along with the celebs that root for them when it's trendy.

Hangar18
09-27-2006, 08:39 AM
I wouldnt waste my time watching that, when I could be painting a kitchen. Re-arranging my closet. Drinking a Beer. First thing that came to mind was "infomercial"

Mr.1Dog
09-27-2006, 08:42 AM
I had to watch just see how funny it was going to be and it did not disappoint one ounce. The comment about Bernie Mac being from the South Side and going on about how he said champs was probably the most pathetic thing I have seen in a long time. When you only have a few outs until you win the pennant, you should have that frame of mind of being champs.

Hitmen77
09-28-2006, 09:59 AM
I have no interest in watching that tripe.

However, i did see about 10 seconds of it while I was flipping channels. The part I caught before moving on showed Ken Holtzman throwing a no-hitter in '69. What I found interesting was all the fans running onto the field afterwards to celebrate. Things sure have changed in the last few decades. As recently as the '83 Sox clincher fans got to run onto the field. Remember fans running wild at Yankee Stadium in at the end of the '77 and '78 World Series? Security is alot tighter now.

TDog
09-28-2006, 02:23 PM
I have no interest in watching that tripe.

However, i did see about 10 seconds of it while I was flipping channels. The part I caught before moving on showed Ken Holtzman throwing a no-hitter in '69. What I found interesting was all the fans running onto the field afterwards to celebrate. Things sure have changed in the last few decades. As recently as the '83 Sox clincher fans got to run onto the field. Remember fans running wild at Yankee Stadium in at the end of the '77 and '78 World Series? Security is alot tighter now.

I didn't see the documentary either. (Even if I did have a television and paid for cable I wouldn't pay for HBO, so I figure I'm not close to every seeing the documentary.) But I do remember Kenny Holtzman's first no-hitter, having seen the end of the game when I was 12 on the family's black-and-white TV. The fans running out onto the field was very odd, I remember. On one hand, he threw a no-hitter. On the other hand, all he did was throw a no-hitter.

Ironically, from that point, it seems, the Cubs collapsed. Similarly, when Wilson Alvarez pitched his no-hitter in 22 Augusts later, the White Sox it put the Sox 20 games over .500, just 1 game back of theTwins. Despite all the excitement and optimism, the Sox played under .500 the rest of the way and finished 8 games behind the Twins.

I suppose if Cubs fans knew it would be their last chance to celebrate, they would have had reason to run out onto the field.

Justagirl
09-29-2006, 08:44 AM
I wouldnt waste my time watching that, when I could be painting a kitchen. Re-arranging my closet. Drinking a Beer.
..Watching paint dry, drilling screws into my cranium, drinking sewer water, shattering my skull with a gavel, being hobbled.. I can think of much better things to do on a Tuesday night.

MarySwiss
09-29-2006, 08:59 AM
I had to watch just see how funny it was going to be and it did not disappoint one ounce. The comment about Bernie Mac being from the South Side and going on about how he said champs was probably the most pathetic thing I have seen in a long time. When you only have a few outs until you win the pennant, you should have that frame of mind of being champs.
Saw it last night, and this is about right. I actually laughed out loud at various points. The comments from some of the fans were pure comedy.

Deuce
09-29-2006, 10:25 AM
I actually laughed out loud at various points. The comments from some of the fans were pure comedy.I was laughing so hard last night... What a bunch of maroons. The only part that made me sad was when they showed Bartman getting mistreated. Poor guy didn't deserve all that hassle.

Deuce

TommyJohn
09-29-2006, 10:43 AM
I was laughing so hard last night... What a bunch of maroons. The only part that made me sad was when they showed Bartman getting mistreated. Poor guy didn't deserve all that hassle.

Deuce

But remember, only White Sox fans are trashy lowlifes who jump people.

MarySwiss
09-29-2006, 11:48 AM
I was laughing so hard last night... What a bunch of maroons. The only part that made me sad was when they showed Bartman getting mistreated. Poor guy didn't deserve all that hassle.

Deuce

Yes, I didn't realize there was a large group of "fans" chanting "*******" at him. And you could tell he was just miserable, blaming himself for the whole incident. That poor guy is going to carry this thing with him his entire life, while the guys who, in my book, were REALLY to blame for the choke job (Alou, Prior, the shortstop whose name I don't remember, and Baker) have probably already forgotten about it.

While I was watching it, I got the crazy impression that the Cubs were looking for an excuse to choke. I know that's ridiculous, but once the Bartman thing happened, they sure didn't waste anytime giving away the game, which was still theirs to wiin.

oddlot
09-29-2006, 03:51 PM
I was laughing so hard last night... What a bunch of maroons. The only part that made me sad was when they showed Bartman getting mistreated. Poor guy didn't deserve all that hassle.Deuce

I'm not sure what you meant-- were they wearing purplish red, or were they stranded?

Just kidding-- I know you misspelled it and meant to say they were coconut cookies.

Gregory Pratt
09-29-2006, 07:13 PM
I've always wondered: just what, exactly, was Bartman doing wearing those ridiculous headphones? What's wrong with him? Was he listening to it on the radio?

I feel bad for him because of the abuse he got. I don't feel bad for him because the headphones really give me a bad impression of him.

WizardsofOzzie
09-29-2006, 09:15 PM
I watched it only to see what the in crowd reaction was during the 2003 NLCS. And, of course, they showed that poor SOB Bartman getting harassed and sworn at too. Even showed some no talent assclown winging a beer at him.


Michael Bolton was there??? :redneck

DaleJRFan
09-29-2006, 11:07 PM
I LOVED THIS MOVIE!! It shows in great detail the futility and foolishness of Cubs fans as they flock to Wrigley - year in, year out - no matter what. What a bunch of ****ing losers.

For all those who hate Mike Murphy, you'll get a good chuckle with his routine.. over and over and over and over again. The best part was the douchebag who quit his job, took out a loan and spent a year walking around Wrigley Field with a camera filming a "documentary" about it "being our year"... only to watch the Flubs give it away in game six. Too bad you didn't get your "movie deal"... blahahahaha!! Now that's stupid. I guess this answers the question, "Do all these Cubs fans going to day-games have jobs??" Evidentially not.

RadioheadRocks
09-29-2006, 11:37 PM
Did they show anything with PGA golfer David Ogrin? IIRC he's the guy who named his son Clark Addison (!!!).

MeteorsSox4367
09-30-2006, 12:14 AM
It was good for a few laughs. As for the one guy who was filming a documentary about being a Cubs fan, all I kept thinking was 'Dude. Get a job!'

I mean I love my team, too, but I could never afford to quit my job to follow the Sox. Something about being an adult and having to support myself.

The one thing I did agree with was Jeff Garlin (sp?) saying that it wasn't Bartman's fault. Gonzalez turns a DP, the Cubs' pitchers don't groove fastballs down the middle to the Marlins (God love 'em) and the Flubs go to the Series.

As it turned out, they didn't. And for that, we are thankful.

TDog
09-30-2006, 12:53 AM
I'm not sure what you meant-- were they wearing purplish red, or were they stranded?

Just kidding-- I know you misspelled it and meant to say they were coconut cookies.


I took it as a Bugs Bunny reference. Bugs Bunny used to misprounounce "moron" as "maroon."

MUsoxfan
09-30-2006, 01:18 AM
Did they show anything with PGA golfer David Ogrin? IIRC he's the guy who named his son Clark Addison (!!!).

Indeed he is. He's always been a strange guy. When I was a little kid he signed my hat with a bible verse at the Western Open

StillMissOzzie
09-30-2006, 02:24 AM
Just kidding-- I know you misspelled it and meant to say they were coconut cookies.

I believe that those are macaroons.

I took it as a Bugs Bunny reference. Bugs Bunny used to misprounounce "moron" as "maroon."

I took it as a Bugs Bunny reference too, but I never thought that is was a mispronounciation of "moron", just a Bugs Bunny-ism. I gotta look into that...

SMO
:gulp:

soxinem1
09-30-2006, 08:22 AM
I was laughing so hard last night... What a bunch of maroons. The only part that made me sad was when they showed Bartman getting mistreated. Poor guy didn't deserve all that hassle.

Deuce

True, but it was also worth noting that some of the jerks who reached for the ball like he did later went on to try attacking the guy.

Curious how they left out 1989, 1998, Ronnie WooWoo, along with violence and homicides at and around the friendly confines. I guess you can only fit so much negativity in one hour, right?

Plus, I guess some of us Sox fans are not the low-life losers the cubs say we are, as witnessed by some idiot who quits his job and follows the team around, while proudly alluding the fact he is STILL unemployed.

Can you imagine how this moron's world must have slowly and painfully withered in the eighth inning? He must have felt about 1/3 inch tall!

Is this their version of 'Cubs Pride' versus our 'Sox Pride'?

My young son watched this and remarked what an idiot this guy was. If an eleven year old Sox fan has more wisdom than some obvious adult cub 'fan' yoyo, I guess we are breeding a smarter generation of sox fans!

Still, it's curious how HBO can make a documentary like this on the BoSox and cubs, but not the White Sox.

SOXSINCE'70
09-30-2006, 08:27 AM
I watched it for a laugh. Man,was that crap funny.
And just to show my allegiance,I fell asleep during this
one hour snooze fest.:roflmao: :roflmao:

chaerulez
09-30-2006, 08:39 AM
Yes, I didn't realize there was a large group of "fans" chanting "*******" at him. And you could tell he was just miserable, blaming himself for the whole incident. That poor guy is going to carry this thing with him his entire life, while the guys who, in my book, were REALLY to blame for the choke job (Alou, Prior, the shortstop whose name I don't remember, and Baker) have probably already forgotten about it.

While I was watching it, I got the crazy impression that the Cubs were looking for an excuse to choke. I know that's ridiculous, but once the Bartman thing happened, they sure didn't waste anytime giving away the game, which was still theirs to wiin.

I agree it wasn't Bartman's fault, but how does Alou deserve some of the blame? He overreacted a little, but that was in the moment of the game, and afterwards he admitted Bartman was not to blame.

MarySwiss
09-30-2006, 08:49 AM
I agree it wasn't Bartman's fault, but how does Alou deserve some of the blame? He overreacted a little, but that was in the moment of the game, and afterwards he admitted Bartman was not to blame.
He overreacted a lot. And if he hadn't, IMO, probably much of the abuse that came Bartman's way wouldn't have.

samram
09-30-2006, 09:24 AM
They may have their own HBO documentary, but we have this:

http://images.overstock.com/f/102/3117/8h/www.overstock.com/images/products/muze/dvd/260467.jpg

I can live with that.:cool:

samram
09-30-2006, 09:26 AM
I wonder if anyone associated with the Cubs or their fandumb will ever have the balls to admit that Santo was not exactly the world's most liked guy during 1969.

oddlot
09-30-2006, 09:47 AM
I took it as a Bugs Bunny reference too, but I never thought that is was a mispronounciation of "moron", just a Bugs Bunny-ism. I gotta look into that...


You guys are sharp!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=maroon

Gregory Pratt
09-30-2006, 10:37 AM
Plus, I guess some of us Sox fans are not the low-life losers the cubs say we are, as witnessed by some idiot who quits his job and follows the team around, while proudly alluding the fact he is STILL unemployed.

Can you imagine how this moron's world must have slowly and painfully withered in the eighth inning? He must have felt about 1/3 inch tall!

Umm, he was making a movie, Guy. And he had a distributor in place to sell the movie, meaning he'd make money. I'm sure he wasn't living off of welfare and people's quarters during the family.

I can't imagine how it makes you so happy to ridicule this poor man because his team lost. It's not funny when someone's hopes and dreams collapse, not even if they're the fans of a rival baseball team.

Juice16
09-30-2006, 10:58 AM
He overreacted a lot. And if he hadn't, IMO, probably much of the abuse that came Bartman's way wouldn't have.

After seeing several angles of the infamous Bartman ball, i am still not convinced Alou would have even caught the ball anyway. To me it looks like it land over his mitt. I guess its easier to have a scape goat.

lbtigerfan
09-30-2006, 11:30 AM
I had to watch it just to see how cheesy it would be. It didn't disappoint.

Do you ever just wonder how much different your life would be if you were a Cubs fan? Thank god I have a dad that raised me the right way.

I actually saw it this morning and I must say I have way different views than anyone who posted here. Maybe it's because 2003 was the first year I could actually call myself a White Sox fan, and I didn't grow up hating the Cubs. I try to understand the rivalry between the Northside and Southside.. but I don't. I try to compare it to LSU and Tulane, but it doesn't even come close.. because when LSU didn't make it to the college world series and Tulane did, I still pulled for them because they were from HOME.

Anyway I enjoyed the documentary. It gave me a different perspective of Cubs fans.. actual Cubs fans. My boyfriend is a Sox fan, therefore I hear nothing but bad about them. Really the only other place to hear about Cubs fans is here at WSI and I think we all know where I'm going with that one. It was great to see something different than everything I've ever heard. I never did believe that all Cubs fans are stupid idiots that talk on their cell phones and throw trash on the field and don't know anything about baseball... coming from various people on this website. I don't mean to sound like I think everyone here is cruel and heartless, because I am beginning to understand how one can be bias about the Cubs (or the White Sox for that matter because I know what Cubs fans think as well), especially when it comes from people born and raised in Chicago. I guess because I wasn't, I won't ever fully comprehend.

Like I said, I think the documentary was good.. I even teared up for a second of it. I'm glad I watched it because now I can honestly say that I don't hate the Cubs, and for any reason that I ever had before... is stupid and gone. If the Cubs ever win a world series, I'll clap my hands and say congratulations because I do think that anyone that makes it there... actually deserves it.

p.s. Please don't attack me because this does not make me a Cubs fan. I'm just a fan of baseball.

tick53
09-30-2006, 11:51 AM
It's being rebroadcast at midnight tonight on another HBO channel. I love comedy so I think I'll tape it and watch it tomorrow.

It was funny. There's this part where some guys brings a goat to the ballgame and they don't let him in and he curses the team and a part where a black cat walks on the field and curses the team and some guy named Bartman robs the outfielder of a fly ball and curses the team. This was more hilarious than a Mel Brooks movies.:rolling:

BTW, some of my Cub fans associates want me to tape it for them. Can't those miserable schmucks even afford HBO?

Hitmen77
09-30-2006, 12:32 PM
They may have their own HBO documentary, but we have this:

http://images.overstock.com/f/102/3117/8h/www.overstock.com/images/products/muze/dvd/260467.jpg

I can live with that.:cool:

POTW!

I wonder if anyone associated with the Cubs or their fandumb will ever have the balls to admit that Santo was not exactly the world's most liked guy during 1969.

Ummmm......NO.

thomas35forever
09-30-2006, 04:11 PM
I saw the documentary last night and have two things to say:

1) They devote all of five minutes to when the club was in first place back in '67 and everyone cheered when they saw the standings flags go up. Gimmie a break. Is the Cubs organization so pitiful that it comes to that?

2) I had no idea fans in and around the ballpark were calling Bartman an *******. I feel even more sorry for him now than I did before. Seeing him just standing there all alone taking heat from the fans is just sad.

MarySwiss
09-30-2006, 04:18 PM
I saw the documentary last night and have two things to say:

1) They devote all of five minutes to when the club was in first place back in '67 and everyone cheered when they saw the standings flags go up. Gimmie a break. Is the Cubs organization so pitiful that it comes to that?

2) I had no idea fans in and around the ballpark were calling Bartman an *******. I feel even more sorry for him now than I did before. Seeing him just standing there all alone taking heat from the fans is just sad.
As I said in an earlier post, neither did I. Funny how the media apparently didn't think this was such a big deal.

Max Power
09-30-2006, 06:03 PM
Good post, lbtigerfan. It's pretty difficult to get a non-biased view on the Cubs around here (myself included), so that's an interesting view to hear.

If the Cubs win it all I'd be happy for my Cub fan friends, but that's about it.

RadioheadRocks
09-30-2006, 06:39 PM
They may have their own HBO documentary, but we have this:

http://images.overstock.com/f/102/3117/8h/www.overstock.com/images/products/muze/dvd/260467.jpg

I can live with that.:cool:


Not to mention this
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000AXWX6Q.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000AXWX6Q/ref=dp_image_0/104-2105938-7776702?ie=UTF8&n=130&s=dvd)

and this

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000ENEFIG.01._AA200_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000ENEFIG/ref=dp_image_0/104-2105938-7776702?ie=UTF8&n=130&s=dvd)

TommyJohn
09-30-2006, 06:49 PM
Funny how the media apparently didn't think this was such a big deal.



That's because many of them were pretty much writing the same thing.

Can you imagine what the reaction would have been had this happened
at the Cell? I think the media wouldn't have focused on Bartman. He
would've been their hero. They would've focused on the fans and their
******* chants and near attacks and said it is further proof that all Sox
fans are lowlifes.

GoSox2K3
09-30-2006, 07:53 PM
I actually saw it this morning and I must say I have way different views than anyone who posted here. Maybe it's because 2003 was the first year I could actually call myself a White Sox fan, and I didn't grow up hating the Cubs. I try to understand the rivalry between the Northside and Southside.. but I don't. I try to compare it to LSU and Tulane, but it doesn't even come close.. because when LSU didn't make it to the college world series and Tulane did, I still pulled for them because they were from HOME.

Anyway I enjoyed the documentary. It gave me a different perspective of Cubs fans.. actual Cubs fans. My boyfriend is a Sox fan, therefore I hear nothing but bad about them. Really the only other place to hear about Cubs fans is here at WSI and I think we all know where I'm going with that one. It was great to see something different than everything I've ever heard. I never did believe that all Cubs fans are stupid idiots that talk on their cell phones and throw trash on the field and don't know anything about baseball... coming from various people on this website. I don't mean to sound like I think everyone here is cruel and heartless, because I am beginning to understand how one can be bias about the Cubs (or the White Sox for that matter because I know what Cubs fans think as well), especially when it comes from people born and raised in Chicago. I guess because I wasn't, I won't ever fully comprehend.

Like I said, I think the documentary was good.. I even teared up for a second of it. I'm glad I watched it because now I can honestly say that I don't hate the Cubs, and for any reason that I ever had before... is stupid and gone. If the Cubs ever win a world series, I'll clap my hands and say congratulations because I do think that anyone that makes it there... actually deserves it.

p.s. Please don't attack me because this does not make me a Cubs fan. I'm just a fan of baseball.

Good post. It's great to hear the perspective of a "neutral" observer.

I think the statements I bolded pretty much nail it for my why I hate the Cubs. The Cubs and Red Sox go 80+ years without winning and they get poetry, lovable status, and documentaries on HBO. Sox fans suffer and nobody cares and Sox fans didn't publically embarce their loser status. This documentary is just another way that the general public gets brainwashed into "tearing up" and "pulling for" the Cubs. I'm sorry, but that's just B.S as far as I'm concerned.

The Sox experience is all about pulling for an underdog, unsung team. The Cubs is all about how many celebrities like their team, which celebrity is singing the 7th inning, and attendance.

No, Cub fans aren't all idiots. There are good Cub fans and there are bad Sox fans. But the way Cub fans have treated Sox fans for all these years - it's not just hatred of your rival like you might get with say Michigan and Michigan State. No, they absolutely had no respect for the Sox. They like to act as if the Sox don't exist or are totally irrelevant. When the Sox were close to moving in '88, they were already dancing on the grave of our franchise. Heck, even when the Sox made the playoffs last year, MANY Cub fans were still talking BS about attendance. Even after the Sox won it all, I STILL have Cub fans telling me "there really only one team in town" ...."yeah, the Sox won, but Wrigley always gets great attendance". This isn't exaggeration - these are real encounters and reflects the attitude of many Cub fans.

The double standard that applies to Cub fans is unbelievable. In '03, Sox fans were bitter losers for not cheering the Cubs in the playoffs. In '05, Cub fans were "proud and sticking to their principles" for not cheering the Sox. The Sox hold the biggest parade in Chicago history and what is the Tribune's reaction: "well, a Cubs parade would have been bigger". Puh-leeze!!!

Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of the doesn't-everyone-feel-sorry-for-us-while-we-act-full-of-ourselves attitude of many Cub fans. The '03 collapse and the '05 Sox championship was just sweet justice as far as I'm concerned.

Sox-o-matic
09-30-2006, 08:35 PM
The Cubs and Red Sox go 80+ years without winning and they get poetry, lovable status, and documentaries on HBO. Sox fans suffer and nobody cares and Sox fans didn't publically embarce their loser status.

At least the Red Sox have a better reason for failing for so long. How many World Championship Yankee teams have they had to compete against, especially since divisional play came about? Besides, I doubt any Red Sox fan ever referred to his team's crappy play as loveable.

The Cubs however... that's a different story. Every year it's the same crap. High attendance, cash for the Tribune, garbage on the field. How can anyone deal with that?

I hope Wrigley stands forever, because IMO as long as it is still there people will continue to flock to this 'landmark' and call themselves baseball fans one breath after asking the guy next to them if the black first baseman wearing number 25 is Carrie Woods. As long as these people show up, and as long as there are highways connecting Iowa hayseeds to their shrine, ownership will continue to run that franchise as a buisness, not a baseball buisness.

Hitmen77
09-30-2006, 09:04 PM
I never did believe that all Cubs fans are stupid idiots that talk on their cell phones and throw trash on the field and don't know anything about baseball... coming from various people on this website.

Cub fans throwing trash on the field wasn't just made up by people on this website. Please review the highlights of the game where AJ hit a HR to beat the Cubs and also the game where the Mets hit 2 grand slams in one inning.

ws05champs
09-30-2006, 09:21 PM
Until I saw this documentary I really couldn't grasp how often the team has ripped the hearts out of the Cubs fans and stomped on them in front of their eyes. Normally this would make me feel sorry for the Cubs fans but they have a choice. It is nonsense for them to believe that they can't help it because they have always been Cubs fans.

They seem to enjoy the pain the Cubs have given them. This is masochism. It is sick. They could always give up being a baseball fan if they can't bring themselves to switching to the Sox or some other team. The Cubs do not deserve the fans they have. Unless those fans enjoy being hurt, there is no reason to be a fan of this team. The documentary said it well. Wrigley's goal was to give the fan a good experience at the ball park and a winning team was secondary. This still the way it is today except Wrigley field is a just a pile of junk and what appears on the field doesn't even come close to being a professional baseball team.

Juice16
10-01-2006, 07:24 AM
Cub fans throwing trash on the field wasn't just made up by people on this website. Please review the highlights of the game where AJ hit a HR to beat the Cubs and also the game where the Mets hit 2 grand slams in one inning.

Don't forget, Bruce Levine said it was White Sox fans that threw the garbage on the field after AJ hit the home run.

lbtigerfan
10-01-2006, 04:39 PM
Good post. It's great to hear the perspective of a "neutral" observer.

I think the statements I bolded pretty much nail it for my why I hate the Cubs. The Cubs and Red Sox go 80+ years without winning and they get poetry, lovable status, and documentaries on HBO. Sox fans suffer and nobody cares and Sox fans didn't publically embarce their loser status. This documentary is just another way that the general public gets brainwashed into "tearing up" and "pulling for" the Cubs. I'm sorry, but that's just B.S as far as I'm concerned.

The Sox experience is all about pulling for an underdog, unsung team. The Cubs is all about how many celebrities like their team, which celebrity is singing the 7th inning, and attendance.

No, Cub fans aren't all idiots. There are good Cub fans and there are bad Sox fans. But the way Cub fans have treated Sox fans for all these years - it's not just hatred of your rival like you might get with say Michigan and Michigan State. No, they absolutely had no respect for the Sox. They like to act as if the Sox don't exist or are totally irrelevant. When the Sox were close to moving in '88, they were already dancing on the grave of our franchise. Heck, even when the Sox made the playoffs last year, MANY Cub fans were still talking BS about attendance. Even after the Sox won it all, I STILL have Cub fans telling me "there really only one team in town" ...."yeah, the Sox won, but Wrigley always gets great attendance". This isn't exaggeration - these are real encounters and reflects the attitude of many Cub fans.

The double standard that applies to Cub fans is unbelievable. In '03, Sox fans were bitter losers for not cheering the Cubs in the playoffs. In '05, Cub fans were "proud and sticking to their principles" for not cheering the Sox. The Sox hold the biggest parade in Chicago history and what is the Tribune's reaction: "well, a Cubs parade would have been bigger". Puh-leeze!!!

Quite frankly, I'm sick and tired of the doesn't-everyone-feel-sorry-for-us-while-we-act-full-of-ourselves attitude of many Cub fans. The '03 collapse and the '05 Sox championship was just sweet justice as far as I'm concerned.

I agree, too... my post was good. I'm an emotional person. I guarantee you I could find something about any sports team to tear up over. I tear up when I see the video played at the beginning of every White Sox game. This isn't just out of pity for the Cubs. I got teary-eyed because an old guy from Arizona cared enough about juvenile diabetes to walk to Chicago and raise tons of money for the cause. I didn't cry because someone yelled ******* to Steve Bartman, or because I saw some sad lady crying when the Cubs lost out on the World Series. HELLO... I HAVE PULLED FOR THE SAINTS FOR 21 YEARS. I know what it's like to pull for a losing team and I don't ask for pity. So you've got your reasons mixed up on why I became emotional. I still think the documentary was pretty good, and as I was making my first post and telling my brother-in-law about this thread, he agreed that the documentary was good. He had watched it the night before, and he is a GIANT baseball fan who just appreciates the game, like me.

And you don't have to tell me how much **** the Cubs fans talk because I know it's there. Just like Sox fans will always talk **** about the Cubs fans. I never said they were angels.

Cub fans throwing trash on the field wasn't just made up by people on this website. Please review the highlights of the game where AJ hit a HR to beat the Cubs and also the game where the Mets hit 2 grand slams in one inning.

And to you... I've seen with my own eyes them throwing trash on the field. You must have missed where I said "ALL Cubs fans" and I know I sure as hell didn't say that people on this website make up anything. There will always be people that have no respect for the game or the team. And trust me, as I'm sure you have, I've seen the nasties out at the Sox field as well.


That's okay though, I knew I'd get some sort of grief about my post.

Hitmen77
10-01-2006, 09:17 PM
And to you... I've seen with my own eyes them throwing trash on the field. You must have missed where I said "ALL Cubs fans" and I know I sure as hell didn't say that people on this website make up anything. There will always be people that have no respect for the game or the team. And trust me, as I'm sure you have, I've seen the nasties out at the Sox field as well.


That's okay though, I knew I'd get some sort of grief about my post.

So, anyone who dares disagrees with or somehow rebutts observations you make on a public forum is "giving you grief"?:?:

lbtigerfan
10-01-2006, 10:52 PM
So, anyone who dares disagrees with or somehow rebutts observations you make on a public forum is "giving you grief"?:?:

You disagreed with what you THOUGHT I said. I didn't say that never in the history of Cubs baseball has trash been thrown onto the field. No one here talks good about Cubs fans. It's not expected, not from me and I'm sure not from anyone else.. but seeing that documentary let me in on another view of the Cubs. If I believed everything I read on here, sure I'd think that they're all jerks.. but the point I was making is that not every single Cubs fan on the face of this earth is like that.

You thought I said that it was bull**** and people here make up things. I never said that and I'll say it again... I'm not going to believe, nor did I ever, that ALL Cubs fans are a bunch of idiots that throw trash on the field. I don't need to see footage of those two incidents because I've already seen it. I think it's horrible. I think it's immature. But, every team has their village idiots and I'm not going to knock a whole team because of some stupid "fans."

hi im skot
10-02-2006, 12:35 PM
There is no reason on earth why anyone should be getting teary over any sporting event.


I strongly disagree with this statement.

palehozenychicty
10-02-2006, 02:21 PM
I saw the documentary this weekend, and the Cub fans deserve to lose for all the aforementioned reasons that we have highlighted over the years. They thumb their nose at the Sox and use smug dialogue about "loyalty" to claim superiority when it is about winning at the end of the day. The Cubs hiring their longtime director of marketing to temporarily run baseball operations speak to their honest intentions about their fans and organization itself.

minutia
10-02-2006, 02:33 PM
I strongly disagree with this statement.
I am sorry you don't agree but Tom Hanks said it best, there is no crying in baseball.

itsnotrequired
10-02-2006, 02:44 PM
I am sorry you don't agree but Tom Hanks said it best, there is no crying in baseball.

When I hear the words "baseball authority", the name that immediately jumps into my head is Tom Hanks.

:rolleyes:

jenn2080
10-02-2006, 02:53 PM
Try Zoloft or Prozac. There is no reason on earth why anyone should be getting teary over any sporting event. Especailly if you are claim to be "neutral".



:rolleyes:

I am sorry but you are absolutely wrong. I can guarentee that almost every single person on this board got teary eyed 10/26/05 and every game we clinched to move on. I know I saw 15 of my friends like that.

jenn2080
10-02-2006, 03:01 PM
I actually saw it this morning and I must say I have way different views than anyone who posted here. Maybe it's because 2003 was the first year I could actually call myself a White Sox fan, and I didn't grow up hating the Cubs. I try to understand the rivalry between the Northside and Southside.. but I don't. I try to compare it to LSU and Tulane, but it doesn't even come close.. because when LSU didn't make it to the college world series and Tulane did, I still pulled for them because they were from HOME.

Anyway I enjoyed the documentary. It gave me a different perspective of Cubs fans.. actual Cubs fans. My boyfriend is a Sox fan, therefore I hear nothing but bad about them. Really the only other place to hear about Cubs fans is here at WSI and I think we all know where I'm going with that one. It was great to see something different than everything I've ever heard. I never did believe that all Cubs fans are stupid idiots that talk on their cell phones and throw trash on the field and don't know anything about baseball... coming from various people on this website. I don't mean to sound like I think everyone here is cruel and heartless, because I am beginning to understand how one can be bias about the Cubs (or the White Sox for that matter because I know what Cubs fans think as well), especially when it comes from people born and raised in Chicago. I guess because I wasn't, I won't ever fully comprehend.

Like I said, I think the documentary was good.. I even teared up for a second of it. I'm glad I watched it because now I can honestly say that I don't hate the Cubs, and for any reason that I ever had before... is stupid and gone. If the Cubs ever win a world series, I'll clap my hands and say congratulations because I do think that anyone that makes it there... actually deserves it.

p.s. Please don't attack me because this does not make me a Cubs fan. I'm just a fan of baseball.


This happened after the Cubs gave up a HR to AJ to win the game at the Wrigley series. This also happened when the Cubs played the Mets(on ESPN). That inning they gave up 2 Grand Slams and 2 run HR. This happened. The documentary was another Whoa is me look at all my curses. They have 3 curses instead of listing why they suck.

MarySwiss
10-02-2006, 03:11 PM
:rolleyes:

I am sorry but you are absolutely wrong. I can guarentee that almost every single person on this board got teary eyed 10/26/05 and every game we clinched to move on. I know I saw 15 of my friends like that.

Jenn, you beat me to this. I not only cried then, but I cried while watching the parade and rally, and I cry every time I watch any of the video stuff about the 2005 Sox.

Realist
10-02-2006, 03:52 PM
Jenn, you beat me to this. I not only cried then, but I cried while watching the parade and rally, and I cry every time I watch any of the video stuff about the 2005 Sox.

Me too. Hell, I tear up just thinking about the 2005 White Sox.

The tears I don't understand are the tears of sadness over a loss. When my team loses, I may feel kinda bad or angry, but then I remind myself that it's just a game and there are much more pressing issues in the world to worry about.

When my team wins the big enchilada, I allow myself jump in with both feet and splash around in the glory. I think it's a pretty healthy approach.

minutia
10-02-2006, 05:00 PM
Me too. Hell, I tear up just thinking about the 2005 White Sox.

The tears I don't understand are the tears of sadness over a loss. When my team loses, I may feel kinda bad or angry, but then I remind myself that it's just a game and there are much more pressing issues in the world to worry about.

When my team wins the big enchilada, I allow myself jump in with both feet and splash around in the glory. I think it's a pretty healthy approach.


Well I think I was getting at crying over a loss. Believe me I was just as happy as anyone else that the Sox one in 2005, if not more but was not misty about it. I love the game and the Sox but I am not invested so much that my emotions hinge one way or another. The lady I was responding to I think may be just a little more emotional than most and I think that is a little silly. Again just my humble opinion.

minutia
10-02-2006, 05:02 PM
:rolleyes:

I am sorry but you are absolutely wrong. I can guarentee that almost every single person on this board got teary eyed 10/26/05 and every game we clinched to move on. I know I saw 15 of my friends like that.

I don't think I am "absolutely" wrong. Lets just agree to disagree.

jenn2080
10-02-2006, 05:07 PM
Well I think I was getting at crying over a loss. Believe me I was just as happy as anyone else that the Sox one in 2005, if not more but was not misty about it. I love the game and the Sox but I am not invested so much that my emotions hinge one way or another. The lady I was responding to I think may be just a little more emotional than most and I think that is a little silly. Again just my humble opinion.


I disagree and stated that. You are right it is just a game, but it is just a game that you spend 6 months of your life watching and investing in. You love that team. You walk into the stadium that opening day and there is a feeling of walking in there that one can not describe. When you leave for the year. You want to walk as slow as possible because you know you won't be back there for another 184 days(oh ya I am keeping count). I know I did. I was sad to walk out knowing that the next time I would be back was April 2nd 2007. You are excited and over joyed and can not wait to see what this team is made of. You have spent your whole life watching this team and the day they win it all there is an emotion that comes over you that even the strongest man can not control. I do not know what it felt like to come 5 outs away to going to the WS and blowing it and nor do I ever want to know but I am sure what the Cubs fans felt was nothing but sadness and anger. I like Mary watch the 2005 stuff and get choked up. Why? I have no idea but I will tell you that was one of THE best days of my life. Win or lose baseball is America's pass time and the 95% of us are in that park for the same reason. One team to provide you with 3 hrs of non stop entertainment. It brings people together.

minutia
10-02-2006, 05:18 PM
I disagree and stated that. You are right it is just a game, but it is just a game that you spend 6 months of your life watching and investing in. You love that team. You walk into the stadium that opening day and there is a feeling of walking in there that one can not describe. When you leave for the year. You want to walk as slow as possible because you know you won't be back there for another 184 days(oh ya I am keeping count). I know I did. I was sad to walk out knowing that the next time I would be back was April 2nd 2007. You are excited and over joyed and can not wait to see what this team is made of. You have spent your whole life watching this team and the day they win it all there is an emotion that comes over you that even the strongest man can not control. I do not know what it felt like to come 5 outs away to going to the WS and blowing it and nor do I ever want to know but I am sure what the Cubs fans felt was nothing but sadness and anger. I like Mary watch the 2005 stuff and get choked up. Why? I have no idea but I will tell you that was one of THE best days of my life. Win or lose baseball is America's pass time and the 95% of us are in that park for the same reason. One team to provide you with 3 hrs of non stop entertainment. It brings people together.

Believe me I get what you are saying but as much as I love, and trust me I love this team. At the end of the day it is still a form of entertainment. If I was standing outside of a ballpark crying a la 2003 because the Cubs came 5 outs and a whole other game away from a World Series, I would hope that I would be made fun of. My immediate health or the health of my family and friends will not be affected one way or another. I am sympathetic to Cubs fans, to a degree, but it is still nothing to cry over. I guess I just come from a differenent place and was soley repling to the poster, albiet a little harsh.

lbtigerfan
10-02-2006, 06:26 PM
This happened after the Cubs gave up a HR to AJ to win the game at the Wrigley series. This also happened when the Cubs played the Mets(on ESPN). That inning they gave up 2 Grand Slams and 2 run HR. This happened. The documentary was another Whoa is me look at all my curses. They have 3 curses instead of listing why they suck.

I guess you posted before you read what I had to say. I saw the plays. I'm not saying it never happened nor am I saying that a poster on WSI made it up.

And I don't know who said it, but getting teary-eyed over a sport does not qualify for a reason to be on anti-depressants. That's just silly. I'm glad people can at least agree with me on something!

ilsox7
10-02-2006, 06:35 PM
They could always give up being a baseball fan if they can't bring themselves to switching to the Sox or some other team. The Cubs do not deserve the fans they have.

Wow. I couldn't disagree with a statement any more than I do here. I'm a huge baseball fan and an even bigger White Sox fan. Nothing could really ever change that. I have PLENTY of friends who are the same way, but are Cub fans. To even suggest they should switch allegiances is ridiculous. Just as it'd be ridiculous for them to suggest such blasphemy to me.

lbtigerfan
10-02-2006, 06:37 PM
Well I think I was getting at crying over a loss. Believe me I was just as happy as anyone else that the Sox one in 2005, if not more but was not misty about it. I love the game and the Sox but I am not invested so much that my emotions hinge one way or another. The lady I was responding to I think may be just a little more emotional than most and I think that is a little silly. Again just my humble opinion.


You don't know me so don't assume that I am just a little more emotional than most because I teared up over something that was very touching. I never cried because the Cubs lost. I never got emotional over the Cubs losing. I did feel bad for the fans, but I never cried over it. Everyone loses at some point and it's just something you have to move on from. And I don't believe you were just as happy as anyone else that the Sox WON (not one) in 2005 because believe me, your emotions would have "hinged" one way or another (possibly more.. haha). I've enjoyed my time as a Sox fan... and I've only been one for three years and yes my emotions "hinged" one way or another. How could they not? BUT HEY I'M JUST A CRAZY EMOTIONAL GIRL!