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QCIASOXFAN
09-26-2006, 05:44 PM
Are the Astros good again, or are the Cardinals that bad? The Astros were 7 games back last week and today they are only 2 1/2 games back.:o: Now its only 1!

samram
09-26-2006, 05:50 PM
The Cards are dreadful. I'm not sure the Astros will catch them as 2 wins probably is enough for St. Louis, but they're in real trouble against either Philly or LA.

buehrle4cy05
09-26-2006, 09:15 PM
San Diego just scored 4 in the 7th. La Russa let Carpenter go way to long, but considering St. Loius doesn't have any sort of bullpen, you can't blame him.

If the score stays the same, St. Louis will have a lead of just 1.5 in the central.

Just a quick scenario: Let's say Houston is either leading or trailing St. Louis by .5 of a game after Sunday. St. Louis would then have to play a makeup game against the Giants (at home) on Monday. If St. Louis wins/loses and ties Houston, a tiebreaker would be played on Tuesday. I'd guess MLB would have St. Louis play the Wednesday NLDS game if they make it. I don't know where the tiebreaker game would be played, but St. Louis could play 3 games in 3 days in 3 different cities. Their decrepit bullpen would be shot and they'd probably be swept out of the first round by the NL West winner.

Iwritecode
09-26-2006, 09:23 PM
St. Louis could play 3 games in 3 days in 3 different cities.

The Angels did the same thing last year right before they came to Chicago and handed the Sox their only loss of the post-season...

caulfield12
09-26-2006, 09:28 PM
The Angels did the same thing last year right before they came to Chicago and handed the Sox their only loss of the post-season...

Yeah, but that Angels team didn't come into the playoffs after losing streaks of at least 7 and 6 games twice.

samram
09-26-2006, 09:34 PM
San Diego just scored 4 in the 7th. La Russa let Carpenter go way to long, but considering St. Loius doesn't have any sort of bullpen, you can't blame him.

If the score stays the same, St. Louis will have a lead of just 1.5 in the central.

Just a quick scenario: Let's say Houston is either leading or trailing St. Louis by .5 of a game after Sunday. St. Louis would then have to play a makeup game against the Giants (at home) on Monday. If St. Louis wins/loses and ties Houston, a tiebreaker would be played on Tuesday. I'd guess MLB would have St. Louis play the Wednesday NLDS game if they make it. I don't know where the tiebreaker game would be played, but St. Louis could play 3 games in 3 days in 3 different cities. Their decrepit bullpen would be shot and they'd probably be swept out of the first round by the NL West winner.

Yeah, and right now Carpenter is scheduled to pitch Sunday. Basically, they have to get in that day if not before, otherwise they're likely to lose the makeup game and the playoff considering the Astros would definitely have one of their big three against Marquis, Suppan, Reyes, etc. The loss tonight probably means he has to pitch Sunday no matter what, which means best case he pitches game 3 of the LDS after 2 road games since the Central winner will likely be the 3 seed.

Did they even do a coin flip for a Houston-St. Louis playoff?

23Ventura
09-26-2006, 09:36 PM
San Diego just scored 4 in the 7th. La Russa let Carpenter go way to long, but considering St. Loius doesn't have any sort of bullpen, you can't blame him.

If the score stays the same, St. Louis will have a lead of just 1.5 in the central.

Just a quick scenario: Let's say Houston is either leading or trailing St. Louis by .5 of a game after Sunday. St. Louis would then have to play a makeup game against the Giants (at home) on Monday. If St. Louis wins/loses and ties Houston, a tiebreaker would be played on Tuesday. I'd guess MLB would have St. Louis play the Wednesday NLDS game if they make it. I don't know where the tiebreaker game would be played, but St. Louis could play 3 games in 3 days in 3 different cities. Their decrepit bullpen would be shot and they'd probably be swept out of the first round by the NL West winner.
Houston won the coin toss, they would host that game.

rookie
09-26-2006, 10:11 PM
As much as I'm not a big fan of Houston (that buzzing got on my last nerve last year), good for them. I'm kinda jealous. They are doing EXACTLY what we wanted the Sox to do. Go on a tear and have a chance at it. I wonder why exactly is Houston such a second-half team.

Part of me wants the Cardinals to fall off. That way we won't be the only "underachievers." And they actually held a lead for most of the season. I wonder if people will use the "c" word for them.

I used to like the Cardinals a lot more, but during interleague they proved to be very whiny. Speaking of interleague, Houston can't be happy to have to play us again and at home. Grand Slam anyone?

Myrtle72
09-26-2006, 10:46 PM
Are the Astros good again, or are the Cardinals that bad? The Astros were 7 games back last week and today they are only 2 1/2 games back.:o:

Interpret it how you like, but the Astros are on a 7 game win streak as of tonight.:dunno:

Palehose Pete
09-26-2006, 11:25 PM
More importantly, the Cards are on a 7 game losing streak. Some Astro fan promised their first born for this unlikely series of events to occur.

thomas35forever
09-26-2006, 11:33 PM
More importantly, the Cards are on a 7 game losing streak. Some Astro fan promised their first born for this unlikely series of events to occur.
Really? Do you have a link to this story?

SoxSpeed22
09-26-2006, 11:35 PM
They swept St. Louis and with the Cards bullpen in complete disarray without Isringhausen, I can safely use the Astros' version of the Cards' lead SHRINKing...

HotelWhiteSox
09-26-2006, 11:54 PM
How sad, we are about 15 games over .500 and terrible, already eliminated. They are .500 and have a shot at going in, what 2 back? Damn you NL. Interleague play ruined the Sox, they got 2-3 weeks of minor league opponents and were never the same since

Vernam
09-27-2006, 02:24 AM
If they catch the Cards, Uncle Pud should make the Astros change their name to the Houston Undead.

Can't wait to see my Card-loving friend tomorrow. Last week he was gloating about the Sox' decline. :angry:

Vernam

Deuce
09-27-2006, 09:04 AM
Are the Astros good again, or are the Cardinals that bad?Yes. :redneck

russ99
09-27-2006, 09:08 AM
The Cards are really scuffling. Their ace (Carpenter) blew two 5-2 leads in a row, and the Astros are super-hot right now.

My gut tells me today is the big day in the race, especially with the Astros facing the Pirates with a rookie starter. If the Astros can get it down to a half game tonight, they'll be in great shape, with their big 3 starters pitching 3 of the 4 games left vs. the Pirates and Braves.

The problem is the Cardinals go from playing red-hot San Diego to eliminated Milwaukee Thursday-Sunday. Also, the Reds are keeping up and are 1 game back of the Astros.

Personally, I'd really love to see LaRussa choke.

0o0o0
09-27-2006, 10:56 AM
Interpret it how you like, but the Astros are on a 7 game win streak as of tonight.:dunno:

Apparently the Astros didn't get the same memo Konerko got about being tired and worn out after all those post season games last year.

palehozenychicty
09-27-2006, 10:59 AM
Personally, I'd really love to see LaRussa choke.

It seems like par for the course. His teams have never been known for their tenaciousness.

DoItForDanPasqua
09-27-2006, 02:08 PM
On Sept 19, Houston was 8.5 back and Cincinnati was 7. For St. Louis to blow this lead would be one of this biggest chokes in history. Though I'm glad for the unexpected pennant race, there are two reason why I don't want this to happen. 1. Cub fans will feel good that there was another choke which ranks with 2003, 1984 and 1969 (of course two of these happened in the NLCS, but it won't matter to them). 2. Cub fans hate the Cardinals and therefore will be happy.

Foulke You
09-27-2006, 02:12 PM
Apparently the Astros didn't get the same memo Konerko got about being tired and worn out after all those post season games last year.
Give me a break guys. Be jealous of the way the Tigers and Twins are playing this year but DON'T be jealous of the substandard baseball being played in the NL this year. The Astros needed a 7 game win streak just to get up to a .500 record in baseball's worst division. The fact that they are 1.5 back with a .500 record speaks volumes of the quality of teams there. The Cardinals have been trying all year to give that crappy division away and nobody has ever wanted to take it. The Sox didn't have the gusto to win the AL Central but we'd have at least 100 wins right now if we played in the NL Comedy Central.

spiffie
09-27-2006, 02:16 PM
Apparently the Astros didn't get the same memo Konerko got about being tired and worn out after all those post season games last year.
They didn't have to go through all the parades and ceremonies that we did, hence our being more tired.

russ99
09-27-2006, 02:21 PM
On Sept 19, Houston was 8.5 back and Cincinnati was 7. For St. Louis to blow this lead would be one of this biggest chokes in history. Though I'm glad for the unexpected pennant race, there are two reason why I don't want this to happen. 1. Cub fans will feel good that there was another choke which ranks with 2003, 1984 and 1969 (of course two of these happened in the NLCS, but it won't matter to them). 2. Cub fans hate the Cardinals and therefore will be happy.

Yeah, but then we could rub it in their faces that a team they also hate (Houston) only broke .500 and made the playoffs. Then of course, we could mention that if the Cubs had half a manager and gave any effort this season they would have been in the mix too. :tongue:

DoItForDanPasqua
09-27-2006, 02:50 PM
Apparently the Astros didn't get the same memo Konerko got about being tired and worn out after all those post season games last year.


:roflmao:

PatK
09-27-2006, 03:34 PM
The NL Central is terrible.

I'm almost for getting rid of the current playoff system and having the teams with the 4 best records advance to the playoffs.

Each year, it seems like some lousy team around .500 manages to make the playoffs.

Senerch23
09-27-2006, 05:01 PM
The NL Central is terrible.

I'm almost for getting rid of the current playoff system and having the teams with the 4 best records advance to the playoffs.

Each year, it seems like some lousy team around .500 manages to make the playoffs.

That's why I hate when people suggest expanding to a 32 team league and going with 4 divsions of 4 teams. That would be a disaster and you would probably end up with a team under .500 in the playoffs at some point. It almost happened last year.

I wouldn't mind seeing a two division format again with two wildcards but the division winners getting 4 home games in the first round.

buehrle4cy05
09-27-2006, 05:43 PM
The Angels did the same thing last year right before they came to Chicago and handed the Sox their only loss of the post-season...

And then lost 4 straight.:cool:

SouthSide_HitMen
09-28-2006, 09:20 PM
Personally, I'd really love to see LaRussa choke.

:thumbsup: POTW material.

With Pedro looking like he is done I do not see the NL winning a game in this World Series, extending the winless streak to 12 games.

**** from the West can win it as well as the **** from the East and Central.

Mr. Hanky is going to love watching the NL playoffs.

caulfield12
09-28-2006, 10:44 PM
Has any team ever given up 8 games in less than two weeks like the Cardinals have "succeeded" in doing recently.

WOW.

Cardinals have four more left (if they have to play Monday) and the Astros 3. This is getting really fun, even as a non-fan of both teams. At least there's some excitement this weekend still.

And to see if the Twins or Tigers will win the division.

Hitmen77
09-28-2006, 10:53 PM
Apparently the Astros didn't get the same memo Konerko got about being tired and worn out after all those post season games last year.

The Astros are only 3 games above .500 and would be 7 games behind the Sox right now if we were in the same division.

I'm not going to complain that Konerko isn't playing as tough as the Astros. He has to battle two 95 win teams in his division while the Astros get to play crap teams and overtake an 83 win ballclub.

TheOldRoman
09-28-2006, 10:59 PM
The Astros are only 3 games above .500 and would be 7 games behind the Sox right now if we were in the same division.

I'm not going to complain that Konerko isn't playing as tough as the Astros. He has to battle two 95 win teams in his division while the Astros get to play crap teams and overtake an 83 win ballclub.
While I am not going to praise the Astros, that is no excuse whatsoever. The Sox weren't "beaten" by two 95 win teams. They didn't miss out because they were in a "tough division". They laid down. They gave up. If the Sox were in the west or the NL, they would make the playoffs, and be bounced almost immediately. This team played the last month like it didn't care. THAT is why they missed the playoffs. At least Houston showed some pride and actually fought.

caulfield12
09-28-2006, 11:16 PM
While I am not going to praise the Astros, that is no excuse whatsoever. The Sox weren't "beaten" by two 95 win teams. They didn't miss out because they were in a "tough division". They laid down. They gave up. If the Sox were in the west or the NL, they would make the playoffs, and be bounced almost immediately. This team played the last month like it didn't care. THAT is why they missed the playoffs. At least Houston showed some pride and actually fought.

I can't begin to imagine how many times we'll here that five years from now.

BS. We were better than both those teams until we quit. We started 5-2 against the Twins, then managed to let them take 7 of 9 from us, including two absolutely demoralizing sweeps.

We were dominating against the Tigers but merely played them even in the second half when we needed to beat them head to head, especially the series we laid eggs the first two games and then later that month.

drewcifer
09-28-2006, 11:56 PM
I can't begin to imagine how many times we'll here that five years from now.

BS. We were better than both those teams until we quit. We started 5-2 against the Twins, then managed to let them take 7 of 9 from us, including two absolutely demoralizing sweeps.

We were dominating against the Tigers but merely played them even in the second half when we needed to beat them head to head, especially the series we laid eggs the first two games and then later that month.

:nod:

Yep. 3rd place.

Why?

soxinem1
09-29-2006, 07:22 AM
The Cards are dreadful. I'm not sure the Astros will catch them as 2 wins probably is enough for St. Louis, but they're in real trouble against either Philly or LA.

The Cards remind me of San Diego last year, limping to the finish line. Starters crumbling, bullpen very questionable for even a short series.

The Astros have been pitching tough for the last month or so, they might be the most dangerous 82-83 win team to enter the playoffs since the 1973 Mets.

I wonder how good they would be if they woke up and started playing in April like everyone else.

Hitmen77
09-29-2006, 08:13 AM
While I am not going to praise the Astros, that is no excuse whatsoever. The Sox weren't "beaten" by two 95 win teams. They didn't miss out because they were in a "tough division". They laid down. They gave up. If the Sox were in the west or the NL, they would make the playoffs, and be bounced almost immediately. This team played the last month like it didn't care. THAT is why they missed the playoffs. At least Houston showed some pride and actually fought.

I'm not defending the Sox - because I agree that they beat themselves - as much as resisting the idea that Houston is showing up their World Series opponents. Yeah, it's a great run their making, but on this side of the fence it would all be too little too late. There are 3 games left to play and the Astros still haven't exceeded the win total of any Sox team in the last 7 years. I wonder how much "pride" Houston would be showing if they were playing Oakland or Minnesota instead Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. .....but then again the Sox have laid down to teams like Tampa Bay and KC - so I agree the Sox get no credit here.

More remarkable to me than the Astros "rise" is the Cardinals "collapse". In a way, I'm surprised that the Cards stayed in the race this long - because they're not that good. Still, to have a 7 game lead on Sept. 19 and possibly blow it - they risk going down in history next to the '64 Phillies. Ouch.

Despite how the Sox have played, how can you be so sure that they'd get bounced from the playoffs immediately? That's what many people were saying about the Sox this time last year - that looked like they were folding fast and were a certain '3-and-out' playoff team. I'd take a playoff berth regardless this year because you never know what could happen.

samram
09-29-2006, 08:58 AM
The Cards remind me of San Diego last year, limping to the finish line. Starters crumbling, bullpen very questionable for even a short series.

The Astros have been pitching tough for the last month or so, they might be the most dangerous 82-83 win team to enter the playoffs since the 1973 Mets.

I wonder how good they would be if they woke up and started playing in April like everyone else.

It wasn't a matter of waking up- the Astros aren't very good and are in contention because the Cards are a complete suckfest except for one guy. I do agree that they, along with LA, are the most dangerous teams in the NL right now.

gbergman
09-29-2006, 12:06 PM
are the most dangerous teams in the NL right now.

http://www.americasfanstore.com/padresflag.jpg

Anyone? They are hotter than the Dodgers, and have dominated them all year going 13-5. The Padres are hot at the right time, and it looks like unless Philidelphia comes back, then they will be playing the central champion. If the Phillies come back, then they will play the phillies who are struggling right now.

viagracat
09-29-2006, 12:08 PM
If the Astros are 1/2 game from the Cardinals after Sunday, that will force St Louis to play a makeup game Monday against San Francisco. And then, if they are tied, St Louis will have to travel to Houston to break that tie on Tuesday.

Sure don't like the Cardinals' chances in the postseason. They'll be gasping under any circumstances. And that's even if they get to the postseason. I wouldn't be shocked to see Houston sweep Atlanta this weekend. They have a history of coming on strong at the end.

russ99
09-30-2006, 08:11 AM
Boy, the Astros really blew it yesterday. Clemens - it's about time to hang em up ole man. The best they can hope for now is to force the Monday makeup game.

I hate the Braves. Look up nemesis in the dictionary and next to the Astros logo, you'll see a tomahawk.

caulfield12
09-30-2006, 10:08 AM
Boy, the Astros really blew it yesterday. Clemens - it's about time to hang em up ole man. The best they can hope for now is to force the Monday makeup game.

I hate the Braves. Look up nemesis in the dictionary and next to the Astros logo, you'll see a tomahawk.

You would normally expect Clemens to beat a rookie in this situation, but the Astros' offense has been missing-in-action for most of the season, so it's not a surprise it DIDN'T show up last night either.

samram
09-30-2006, 11:56 AM
I just like that what was considered the worst division in baseball back in April, the NL West, will likely get two teams.

cheeses_h_rice
09-30-2006, 02:58 PM
I think Scott Spiezio just clinched the NL Central title for the Cards with a HUGE 2-out, bases clearing triple to put the Cards up 3-2 in the 8th.

cheeses_h_rice
09-30-2006, 03:14 PM
Cards magic number = 1.

Jjav829
09-30-2006, 03:25 PM
Answer to this thread: No. Nice effort by Houston, but it looks like their late run is going to leave them just short.

Too bad they usually take the first half of the season off...