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mrfourni
09-22-2006, 09:19 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2598362


The Marlins already have identified possible replacements for Girardi, the report said, including a trio of third base coaches: Fredi Gonzalez (Atlanta), Joey Cora (Chicago White Sox (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=cha)) and Manny Acta (New York Mets (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nym)).


Please take Joey off our hands.

MadetoOrta
09-22-2006, 09:23 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2598362



Please take Joey off our hands.

How about a package deal? Ozzie. Joey and Freddie for Girardi and Willis?

ewokpelts
09-22-2006, 09:48 AM
loria is a fool.....and jim hendry will look like a genius in 4 weeks

Baby Fisk
09-22-2006, 09:51 AM
Loria does not want another winning season so long as his team is in Florida. They succeeded despite him and almost shocked their way into the playoffs. It had to rattle his black heart.

gobears1987
09-22-2006, 09:58 AM
Loria does not want another winning season so long as his team is in Florida. They succeeded despite him and almost shocked their way into the playoffs. It had to rattle his black heart.This is waaaaayyy too much like "Major League."

Owner makes the team suck so they can move. Team suceeds. Owner gets pissed and plans on canning the coach.

Too bad Selig won't force Loria to sell. I hope he gets hit by a bus.

DeadMoney
09-22-2006, 10:09 AM
This is waaaaayyy too much like "Major League."

Owner makes the team suck so they can move. Team suceeds. Owner gets pissed and plans on canning the coach.

Too bad Selig won't force Loria to sell. I hope he gets hit by a bus.

It really is like major league, and I cannot believe MLB would allow it. Then again, I get the feeling that Selig doesn't want any part of South Florida anymore. The whole Loria thing is a real shame.

samram
09-22-2006, 10:10 AM
loria is a fool.....and jim hendry will look like a genius in 4 weeks

I don't think the Cubs want him as much as the fans and media do. Hiring Girardi now would basically be an admission they should have fired Dusty last year and hired him and the Cubs aren't that quick to admit mistakes. Maybe they've turned over a new leaf.

salty99
09-22-2006, 10:22 AM
If Cora goes we will need 2 coaches next year since Tim Raines will be out as well. I predict Sandy Alomar retires and becomes our new bench coach.

kraut83
09-22-2006, 10:49 AM
Jeff Loria is a true piece of ****. It's a shame the commish doesn't have the stones to do anything about the mess that he's now made out of 2 franchises.

Tekijawa
09-22-2006, 11:08 AM
loria is a fool.....and jim hendry will look like a genius in 4 weeks


and then he'll look like a Dumbass again in a year... Girardi may have had something to do with the team success but their front office has turned some questionable trades into some steals. I don't know if it's a credit to their minor league scouts or what, but they have been VERY LUCKY with some of the young talent they've gotten back in these "salary dump" trades. The Cubs don't have much to work with from what I've seen... I think if it were a young team Girardi might be able to pull it off, but I don't see Ramiriez, Prior and Wood taking a screeming Joey G. as serious as 9 guys who were in A ball last year.

jdm2662
09-22-2006, 11:11 AM
Can't Loria be put in jail for something??? Anything to get him out of baseball. Girardi did the best managing job any one did this season. I always enjoy watching a young team doing well. People thought this team was going to break the Mets record, and they competed for a playoff spot until last week.

Although, if he takes Cora off our hands, I won't be disappointed...

I want Mags back
09-22-2006, 12:08 PM
If Cora goes we will need 2 coaches next year since Tim Raines will be out as well. I predict Sandy Alomar retires and becomes our new bench coach.

wheres raines going

champagne030
09-22-2006, 12:18 PM
Can't Loria be put in jail for something??? Anything to get him out of baseball. Girardi did the best managing job any one did this season. I always enjoy watching a young team doing well. People thought this team was going to break the Mets record, and they competed for a playoff spot until last week.

Although, if he takes Cora off our hands, I won't be disappointed...

I'm not sure, but off the top of my head bringing back Josh Johnson to pitch after an 82 minute rain delay might be the single dumbest managerial move of the year. I know the front office has put the spin out there that his removal is for game management reasons. I don't watch Marlins baseball, so I don't know if the spin is all bull**** or there's some validity to the charges.

Fenway
09-22-2006, 12:42 PM
Loria does not want another winning season so long as his team is in Florida. They succeeded despite him and almost shocked their way into the playoffs. It had to rattle his black heart.

I'll never forgive Loria and Sampson for what the did in Montreal....what is ironic is a group of investors have pitched an outdoor stadium in Montreal to Loria to move the Marlins there. The Habs would like a baseball team to join their new cable channel.

Sampson has spent a lot of time in Montreal the past 2 months so just maybe....

The Dude
09-22-2006, 12:52 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2598362



Please take Joey off our hands.

Completely and utterly dumb by the Marlins. No one in their sane mind would've predicted a year like this for the Marlins and Girardi has to take a lot of the credit for getting these kids ready to play. I wish nothing but the worst for that franchise and hope they eventually contract them or move to another city.
Regards to Cora leaving, it wouldn't bother me one bit!:redneck

TDog
09-22-2006, 12:53 PM
loria is a fool.....and jim hendry will look like a genius in 4 weeks

Jim Hendry may look like a genius in four weeks. A manager with a close-to-.500 record in Florida this year appears brilliant. I don't believe genius status will last through Girardi's first season struggling with the Cubs, though.

Hangar18
09-22-2006, 12:59 PM
This is waaaaayyy too much like "Major League."

Owner makes the team suck so they can move. Team suceeds. Owner gets pissed and plans on canning the coach.

Too bad Selig won't force Loria to sell. I hope he gets hit by a bus.

Ive said once, Ive said it 1000 times. Bud Selig is the worst commissioner baseball has ever had. The Fact that Bud and his cronies allowed Loria to leave his Expos in the middle of the road abandoned because he was broke, then let him "buy" the Marlins ................. what a sham

thomas35forever
09-22-2006, 01:43 PM
Definitely a "Major League"-type storyline here. I don't know much about the selling in '97, but is this the same owner that dismantled the '97 team?

viagracat
09-22-2006, 01:44 PM
Girardi will be unemployed for about five minutes before he's picked up by somebody. Loria is even dumber than I tell people.

I'd think either him or Brenly is the next manager of the Cubs.

ewokpelts
09-22-2006, 03:07 PM
Definitely a "Major League"-type storyline here. I don't know much about the selling in '97, but is this the same owner that dismantled the '97 team?
no...the guy that owns the dolphins broke up the 97 team...and he still owns the stadium.

DickAllen72
09-22-2006, 05:57 PM
loria is a fool.....and jim hendry will look like a genius in 4 weeks
Unless KW beats him to it!

HotelWhiteSox
09-22-2006, 06:08 PM
**** and it works out beautifully for the Cubs

JB98
09-22-2006, 06:29 PM
**** and it works out beautifully for the Cubs

Don't think so. After the Cubs sign Aramis Ramirez to a $200 billion extension, do you think good ole' "Rammie" is going to listen to drill sargeant Girardi?

FloridaSox
09-22-2006, 06:51 PM
Living in So. Florida, I see the Marlin soap opera every day. Girardi has done wonders with young players this year. He is also a control freak of the Buck Showalter model who gets along with no one (and I mean no one) in the front office. The Marlins really have no choice--Joe has to go and hopefully learn to work better with others in future assignments.

Daver
09-22-2006, 06:52 PM
Ive said once, Ive said it 1000 times. Bud Selig is the worst commissioner baseball has ever had. The Fact that Bud and his cronies allowed Loria to leave his Expos in the middle of the road abandoned because he was broke, then let him "buy" the Marlins ................. what a sham

As usual, you have the story wrong.

Loria bought the Expo's, then ran the franchise into the ground, by doing whatever he could do to make a buck. When the team was broke, and had no revenue from TV or radio, Loria informed Selig that he was going to file for bankruptcy on the franchise, Selig countered with an offer of funds from MLB to settle debts and try to right the franchise, and Loria refused. He forced Selig to buy the franchise, and loan him the additional funds needed to buy the Marlins, with the threat of taking his books to bankruptcy court.

Calling Jeff Loria lowlife slime is an insult to lowlife slime everywhere.

BiggestFan14
09-22-2006, 07:24 PM
Well the Marlins were a fun story this year with Girardi managing them, and actually winning. Welcome to the Cubs.

ShoelessJoeS
09-22-2006, 08:20 PM
What Girardi has done with a $15 million payroll is amazing. The Marlins organization should be frowned upon.

Frater Perdurabo
09-22-2006, 08:59 PM
It is like Major League, except now the owner wants out of South Florida instead of the right to move to Miami.

Hangar is right and wrong. Selig is a terrible commissioner. But IMHO no one could be worse than Landis.

[Parenthetical pontification]
Perhaps Landis' actions "saved" baseball (no need to get into that argument here), but that's small potatoes compared to him formally prohibiting African-Americans from playing in the major leagues. That compromised the "integrity" of baseball more than gambling could have; racism (hate) is a far greater sin than gambling (greed).
[/Parenthetical pontification]

In any case, Loria is a terrible owner. Isn't it nice that we Sox fans have a team owner of whom we can be proud? :cool:

Sox-o-matic
09-22-2006, 09:08 PM
link: http://www.all-baseball.com/cubreporter/archives/024267.html

TCR: Does the recent dust-up between Girardi and Loria really mean anything? Does it say something about Girardi, his ability to get along with higher-ups, etc., or is just much ado about nothing?

DLB: It isn't much ado about nothing because it'll probably cost him his job, no matter how well he does this year. Management here can be clumsy and the details on that particular fight are immature and, evidently, lasting. But the front office is more important than he is, and more powerful. The front office is the reason this team is winning, not Girardi. And there have been whispers that Girardi wanted some unconventional things (Cabrera at first, Uggla in left, olivo not playing) that makes you wonder what he was thinking.

I kind of like this way of thinking. If Joe felt that he had better defensive options at 2B and 3B, Uggla fits the profile of a LF and Cabrera puts up the numbers of a 1B. As far as not wanting Miguel to play, we all know why KW traded him in the first place. Maybe Olivo still isn't doing that great calling games, Girardi saw it, and decided that the performance of his pitchers was more important than the offense supplied by a catcher, which I would agree with.

I don't get Marlins games so I really have no opinion of value on this, but all this negative talk about Girardi seems, pardon the pun, fishy. Apparently the worst thing he's done in Florida has been tell Loria to **** when Loria was berating an umpire. For that I say props to Joe. Don't people know that the last thing you want to do to a ****ty umpire is give him a reason to further screw the players on your team?

Also the comment about the front office being responsible for the team's play irks me. I don't have a link or anything, but I distinctly remember reading an article before Beckett was traded that the Marlins were going to send him to Texas as part of a package for Blalock. In that article it said that Loria gave the go ahead right away just because wanted to unload Beckett and Lowell so he wouldn't have to think about it while he was on vacation. That type of attitude in regard to an organization's players IMO only shows what a bastard he is. I highly doubt the FO is responsible for anything other than some luck, not only for landing the players they did but also for catching the Red Sox while Epstein was out as GM.

This is long, but I just don't buy all the Girardi criticism. He's always seemed like a pro to me. I went with a Cub fan to the doubleheader at Wrigley the day after Darryl Kile died. After they found Kile in his apartment, Joe addressed the crowd in a heartfelt way and won me over even as an eternal Sox fan. If the Cubs do get him I'd honestly have to say it would be their best move in years.

Beautox
09-22-2006, 09:20 PM
Completely and utterly dumb by the Marlins. No one in their sane mind would've predicted a year like this for the Marlins and Girardi has to take a lot of the credit for getting these kids ready to play. I wish nothing but the worst for that franchise and hope they eventually contract them or move to another city.
Regards to Cora leaving, it wouldn't bother me one bit!:redneck

Girardi isn't the alpha and omega the the Marlins, infact he wanted to use both Johnson and Nolasco in MR, Beenifest said no and usurped him both were in the rotation. Also Girardi is too blame for Johnson now being hurt, 80min rain delay he had him tossing in a batting cage with Willis and then went out there after the delay, now josh is shut down for the rest of the year. Girardi like any manager is only responisible for 3-6 wins at the most a year. The marlins have won time and time again in the past, they'll be fine, if they're smart the trade him to the cubs for somone like Marmol.

Fenway
09-22-2006, 09:22 PM
Calling Jeff Loria lowlife slime is an insult to lowlife slime everywhere.

His son in law David Samson is even worse.

The US media never reported fairly what happened in Montreal but rest assured it wasn't lack of fan support. Ownership at the end wanted the fans to stay away.

Sox-o-matic
09-22-2006, 09:34 PM
Girardi isn't the alpha and omega the the Marlins, infact he wanted to use both Johnson and Nolasco in MR, Beenifest said no and usurped him both were in the rotation. Also Girardi is too blame for Johnson now being hurt, 80min rain delay he had him tossing in a batting cage with Willis and then went out there after the delay, now josh is shut down for the rest of the year. Girardi like any manager is only responisible for 3-6 wins at the most a year. The marlins have won time and time again in the past, they'll be fine, if they're smart the trade him to the cubs for somone like Marmol.

So an 80min rain delay ruined his season? Come on. Think about what you're saying here. These guys aren't fragile little glass figurines, they are professional athletes. If an 80min delay is going to kill you, you probably shouldn't be starting in the first place.

BTW, what makes you think he is good for any amount of wins, high or low? He's only going to get what his players give him. Not many games come down to one bad decision made by the manager. Besides, if a player on a ML roster is put in to perform and he doesn't perform, you can't fault the manager and absolve the player of blame. A manager, especially in Girardi's case with this year's young Marlins team, can only motivate his players to give it everything they've got. I think he did that this year and I think that if he didn't work for such a backwards organization he would be given at least one more year to possibly improve.

Edit: I forgot to add that maybe if Beinloria had let Girardi put Johnson in the pen he wouldn't be hurting at all. I'd have to think starting all those games takes more of a toll on a pitcher than throwing after cooling off for 80 minutes. I'm not saying that Joe made the right call, but I find it hard to believe that this one thing broke him.