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SluggersAway
09-21-2006, 07:23 PM
Record vs. sub-.500 teams

50-25 last year, 29-24 this year

The Sox are only 11-8 against Kansas City and 3-3 against Tampa Bay, the two worst teams in the league. Plus they are 7-9 against Cleveland with three left.

The Sox had 21 less wins against teams under .500 this year.

Ouch.

SluggersAway
09-21-2006, 07:27 PM
Two other killers:

Road record

52-29 last year, 38-37 this year

and,

One-run games

35-19 last year, 22-21 this year

veeter
09-21-2006, 07:40 PM
Record vs. sub-.500 teams

50-25 last year, 29-24 this year

The Sox are only 11-8 against Kansas City and 3-3 against Tampa Bay, the two worst teams in the league. Plus they are 7-9 against Cleveland with three left.

The Sox had 21 less wins against teams under .500 this year.

Ouch.
What this shows you is they played 22 less games against sub .500 teams. The central improved so much, it just made things harder.

TomBradley72
09-21-2006, 07:44 PM
The real killer stat:

2005: #1 in AL team ERA
2006: #9 in AL team ERA

Patrick134
09-21-2006, 07:44 PM
The killer stat should be the difference in the starting staff ERA.

Chicken Dinner
09-21-2006, 07:49 PM
The real killer stat is:

AL Central

2005 1st
2006 3rd

SluggersAway
09-21-2006, 08:01 PM
The killer stat should be the difference in the starting staff ERA.

The following stat makes that a moot point:

Runs scored, allowed per game

4.57 scored, 3.98 allowed last year; 5.43 scored, 4.78 allowed this year

The increase in runs made up for the decline in team era.

SluggersAway
09-21-2006, 08:07 PM
What this shows you is they played 22 less games against sub .500 teams. The central improved so much, it just made things harder.

True, but this also shows we played almost .500 ball against the existing poor teams rather than kicking the pants off them like we did last year. Thus, losing a lot of ground.

California Sox
09-21-2006, 08:10 PM
The following stat makes that a moot point:

Runs scored, allowed per game

4.57 scored, 3.98 allowed last year; 5.43 scored, 4.78 allowed this year

The increase in runs made up for the decline in team era.

I'm not sure that's true. First of all, in lower scoring games each run is worth marginally more, so a .59 a run differential in low scoring games may have an equal or greater effect than a .65 differential in higher scoring games. Also, the way in which this year's higher average of runs surrendered was achieved (terrible bullpen and a lot more non-quality starts) translates into a lot of losses.

SluggersAway
09-21-2006, 08:15 PM
I agree to a certain extent, the bullpen is an intangible, but the point stands the staff era is not the complete story.

fquaye149
09-21-2006, 08:26 PM
The real killer stat:

2005: #1 in AL team ERA
2006: #9 in AL team ERA

yup

Jurr
09-21-2006, 08:32 PM
Swing for the fences, thinking you're going to pad your stats against a bad team. Wake up in the fourth inning and see that the other team's pitcher has settled in, and they get confidence.

Last year, the Sox would scrape together a few runs early to set the tone.

Our beloved 2001 through 2004 Sox couldn't beat bad teams or bad pitchers, either.

SluggersAway
09-21-2006, 08:33 PM
The real killer stat is:

AL Central

2005 1st
2006 3rd

Great insight, way to break it down, thanks. No one ever thought of that.

ondafarm
09-21-2006, 09:13 PM
Record vs. sub-.500 teams

50-25 last year, 29-24 this year

The Sox are only 11-8 against Kansas City and 3-3 against Tampa Bay, the two worst teams in the league. Plus they are 7-9 against Cleveland with three left.

The Sox had 21 less wins against teams under .500 this year.

Ouch.

Taking stats from the Cubune is considered bad form around here.

SluggersAway
09-21-2006, 10:08 PM
You are right the cubune numbers have all been fudged. The Cubs have won every game using their stats. No one ever noticed. The Sox numbers are all wrong.