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southside rocks
09-19-2006, 11:17 AM
Well, I’ve been a White Sox fan since 1967, and I’m not going to stop being a White Sox fan anytime soon – probably never in my lifetime.

But this year’s team has disappointed me in a way that I don’t recall experiencing before.

I believed, after the miracle that was 2005, that they had a special team, a special group, and a special SOMETHING that put an edge of fun and enjoyment and zest on their performance. I believed that they believed in themselves and in each other.

And now I don’t believe that, and I’m sadder for having lost that belief.

Actually, I should have paid attention to the little things along the way. By the third game of the 2006 season, the players were kvetching about the championship ceremonies that were getting in the way of the ballgames. On Opening Day the banners went up; the next day the rings were handed out; the next day the trophy replicas were given away and the fans were thanked. And the players said ‘geez, can we get this over with and play ball already? It’s not 2005, it’s 2006!’

Right there, I should have said ‘hold on a minute, this is the first freaking World Series Championship for this club in EIGHTY-EIGHT years! Yeah, pardon the hell out of us fans if we want to enjoy and appreciate it – and you!’ Right there, I should have seen that a team that will use the excuse of pre-game celebrations to explain why they’re playing crap baseball (and they were playing crap baseball that first week of the season, oh yes) is not a winning team.

But the season went on and the Sox played better, and it was easy to believe that this team would and could win. Oh yeah, every now and then they looked kind of sloppy, but they said ‘oh, we haven’t come together as a team yet, just wait!’ and I believed them.

They cleaned some clocks in inter-league play and I thought ‘now they’re really rockin’!’ They were 26 or 27 over at the ASB. I didn’t think that they’d continue that pace, but I DID think they’d play 10-12 over for the second half. Silly me, I thought they would win 100 games in 2006.

And then … something happened. Or something didn’t happen. Players who’d been doing okay were now doing really badly. Mark Buehrle imploded, and in order to “fix” him, the team shoved Chris Widger out the door with a knife in his back, and brought in a 40-year old catcher whose biggest asset is his relationship with White Sox management. Surprise surprise – that didn’t fix Buehrle.

Freddy Garcia allowed as how it was tough to get up to pitch in games that weren’t against the 1927 Yankees or the deciding game in the World Series. He handed out runs like party favors, and made a big deal out of defensive errors behind him, while never appearing to acknowledge the stellar plays that saved his butt – and his win – many times.

The pitching staff as a whole seemed totally indifferent to teammates who got plunked by opposing pitchers. Wing AJ? Yeah, no worries. Fire one in to Joe Crede’s elbow? Ah well, I’m sure you didn’t mean to do that. Come within an inch of Iguchi’s batting helmet? All forgotten when the Sox pitcher takes the mound, bearing a banner with the strange device: “No Retaliation From Me!”

And it wasn’t just the pitchers. Scott Podsednik simply stopped in his tracks. This confounded Ozzie, who continued to run Pods out to the plate, where Scott looked at more third strikes than an umpire. On the days that Pods didn’t appear to be dead from the neck up, he appeared to be dead from the waist down.

Brian Anderson, having fought the good fight at the plate in the first half of the season, started coming around with the bat but never showed the least inclination to take charge in the outfield. He could cover more ground than any other center-fielder in recent Sox history, but he couldn’t tell Juan Uribe to get back into the infield and leave the balls hit to the outfield to the outfielders.

The team got swept once, then again. They got losses handed to them by teams who should have been embarrassed to even field a squad against the World Series Champions. But the embarrassment was all for the Sox. There started to be whispers of fractures in the clubhouse, of cliques and factions and some players being too relaxed in losing and not interested enough in winning. Nobody would say publicly that Ozzie was any part of the problem – or indeed that any problem existed – but it became pretty obvious that he had more than a couple of unmotivated players on the team.

The starters manned up in mid-August and seemed to want to pitch the team to a division title. That was the cue for the bullpen to melt down, in a spectacular fashion that included walking in runs and serving up homerun balls to less-than-intimidating hitters. No lead, it seemed, was too big for them to blow. And on the rare occasions when the starters and the bullpen had it together and held the opposition to one or two runs, the offense forgot to bring bats to the game and didn’t score at all.

And still – STILL – the players and the coaches and the manager said ‘we haven’t played our best baseball yet. Our best baseball is still ahead of us.’ What they didn’t say, what they should have said, was that the team had no intention of playing that best baseball. They never got around to it. They were busy with other things, and eventually they were busy analyzing WHY they never played their best baseball. They even dusted off pathetic excuses like ‘we never play well in the Coliseum at Oakland’ and told us, in effect, that because they’d lost games there since 2001, they could only lose games there in 2006. History as destiny. Why they even bothered to show up at the park for those games, one wonders.

Now there are 12 games left in the regular season and the White Sox are four and a half games back in the wild card standings and six back in the division. Minnesota has played insane baseball since the ASB, and the Sox have been smacked by the Twinkies all season long. The Tigers are at last fading, but the Sox appear to be fading faster. It will take a miracle for the Sox to get into the playoffs, and this isn’t 2005, when we were admonished to “be realistic: expect miracles.” Nobody’s told us that this year, because there aren’t miracles this year. There are debacles.

I don’t even care if the White Sox go to the post-season this year, although they will be roasted on a spit by their GM if they don’t – and deservedly so. I care that they play good baseball and that they CARE about the game they play. They look to me and to a lot of other fans like they don’t care. Like they’re as comfortable losing as they are winning; like neither means a whole lot to them this year. All season, they’ve said that they have a loose clubhouse. But maybe, when a team is not playing up to its potential, the clubhouse shouldn’t be so loose. Maybe their individual and collective pride should make them angry or ashamed to play below their abilities.

And that’s what I can’t forgive: that I believed in a team that never believed in itself. I feel conned, I feel like a fool, and I feel like there should be a whole lot of new faces in those pinstripes in 2007.

viagracat
09-19-2006, 11:25 AM
I think you nailed it.

Too bad the "Airplane!" thread after the early KC loss ended up being so prophetic. :(:

Chipol
09-19-2006, 11:26 AM
If you think about it, all the warning signs were visible in spring training. There was no drive. There was no energy. They were making dumb-a** mistakes. But back then, it was easy to discount it as being spring training. The thing is, that kind of baseball that they started playing in the spring continued through the season. They had a good first half record. But they weren't playing the same brand of baseball that they played in '05.

0o0o0
09-19-2006, 12:07 PM
Awesome post. All I can say is that this was a strange season, and I believe Kenny and co. will do all they can to put the Sox in position to contend again next year. That's really all that can be done. I know that's what was done last winter, but baseball is weird and for whatever reason it just didn't work out. Perhaps a few guys had an effect on the entire team and thus the attitude of the team was changed. I think this will be fixed in the offseason. I also like the idea of going into the '07 season without a target on our backs.

As bad as the present is, the past and future are bright.

Jerko
09-19-2006, 12:22 PM
I usually don't read posts that are that long, but that was a good one. I know it's hard to repeat, and I've sat thru many seasons of non-championship baseball at both Comiskeys, (and I'll be there again next year) but this season is more disappointing than most. If just seemed that they didn't really "try". I know the players played hard, and probably even played hurt, but all the tinkering and experimenting just didn't seem to give us the best chance to win. I expected much more from this team result-wise.

Hokiesox
09-19-2006, 12:26 PM
Awesome post. All I can say is that this was a strange season, and I believe Kenny and co. will do all they can to put the Sox in position to contend again next year. That's really all that can be done. I know that's what was done last winter, but baseball is weird and for whatever reason it just didn't work out. Perhaps a few guys had an effect on the entire team and thus the attitude of the team was changed. I think this will be fixed in the offseason. I also like the idea of going into the '07 season without a target on our backs.

As bad as the present is, the past and future are bright.

That target is up on a certain logo from Minnesota, as far as I'm concerned. That's where it will permanently stay.

jandm859
09-19-2006, 12:33 PM
you hit that right on the head. In all my years as a sox fan (1959) i cant remember being this disappointed in our season.

Jerko
09-19-2006, 12:41 PM
So, do we hope Detroit or Minny wins the whole thing so THEIR staff is overworked and tired next year and THEY have a World Series hangover? I hate the Twins with every fiber of my being, but if it helps us next year, why not? I'll puke if I see the Three Ty-nors (Punto, Bartlett, Tyner) carrying our trophy around, but hey, any advantage will do.

0o0o0
09-19-2006, 12:48 PM
So, do we hope Detroit or Minny wins the whole thing so THEIR staff is overworked and tired next year and THEY have a World Series hangover? I hate the Twins with every fiber of my being, but if it helps us next year, why not? I'll puke if I see the Three Ty-nors (Punto, Bartlett, Tyner) carrying our trophy around, but hey, any advantage will do.

No way man. If you ever find yourself rooting for the Twins, just remember what Morneau said about the Sox being "lucky."

BainesHOF
09-19-2006, 01:15 PM
The pitching staff as a whole seemed totally indifferent to teammates who got plunked by opposing pitchers. Wing AJ? Yeah, no worries. Fire one in to Joe Crede’s elbow? Ah well, I’m sure you didn’t mean to do that. Come within an inch of Iguchi’s batting helmet? All forgotten when the Sox pitcher takes the mound, bearing a banner with the strange device: “No Retaliation From Me!”

This was one of the first signs to me that this team strangely had no fight, no intensity, no desire. People who wrote off our lack of retaliation didn't get it. It's not about some stupid macho code. It's about standing up for your teammates and your team, and serving notice that you are willing to protect them and won't tolerate it happening again. Yet, our hitters got hit over and over and over and over again this year and no one seemed to care it was happening.

ajismyhero
09-19-2006, 01:31 PM
Fantastic Post. I agree 100%. It's one thing to lose because you're playing well and the opponent is just playing better. It's another thing to lose because you just don't care. I miss the fire and passion that was the 2005 team, and I wish this team could find it.

Lip Man 1
09-19-2006, 01:36 PM
Hawk Harrelson calls out the team Sunday and the newspapers start printing stories about it, getting the reaction from the players.

The 'reaction' was typical of this group, basically there was none from the quotes. No four letter words, no denials....basically nothing.

Hawk is on the field during batting practice yesterday in case anyone has anything to say to him. No players hold him accountable.

Nothing it appears gets under these guys skins and gets them angry and it shows on the field.

Lip

captain54
09-19-2006, 01:58 PM
Well, I’ve been a White Sox fan since 1967, and I’m not going to stop being a White Sox fan anytime soon – probably never in my lifetime.

But this year’s team has disappointed me in a way that I don’t recall experiencing before.



I can think of a few disappointments that rank right up there with this year

1) 68' team going no where after being close to the WS in 67'
2) 73' team going no where after a great 72'
3) 78' team going no where after a great 77'
4) 83' team not advancing to the World Series after a dream season
5) 84' team going no where after a magical 83'
6) 93' team not advancing to the World Series after a dream season
7) 95' team going no where after the 94' strike cut short a chance at WS
8) 2000 team failing to win a playoff game
9) talented 2003 team choking down the stretch vs Minny...

the biggest disappointment about this year is despite not dominating the division like everyone thought we would, there is a good probablility we
won't even make the playoffs due to maybe 5 or 6 games we flat out just
gave away....lack of hunger? lack of desire? no one will ever know...

the thing you learn as Sox fan is that no matter how good the team looks on paper, and all the promising pre season speculation and hype, the games have to played on the field where all stats and hype get thrown out the window...

nysox35
09-19-2006, 02:05 PM
I can think of a few disappointments that rank right up there with this year

1) 68' team going no where after being close to the WS in 67'
2) 73' team going no where after a great 72'
3) 78' team going no where after a great 77'
4) 83' team not advancing to the World Series after a dream season
5) 84' team going no where after a magical 83'
6) 93' team not advancing to the World Series after a dream season
7) 95' team going no where after the 94' strike cut short a chance at WS
8) 2000 team failing to win a playoff game
9) talented 2003 team choking down the stretch vs Minny...

the biggest disappointment about this year is despite not dominating the division like everyone thought we would, there is a good probablility we
won't even make the playoffs due to maybe 5 or 6 games we flat out just
gave away....lack of hunger? lack of desire? no one will ever know...

the thing you learn as Sox fan is that no matter how good the team looks on paper, and all the promising pre season speculation and hype, the games have to played on the field where all stats and hype get thrown out the window...

Being only 25, I only remember #'s 6 through 9 on your list. I was more of a casual fan for 93 and 95 though since I was 13-15 years old. 2000 bummed me out, but I remember our pitching was in a state of disarray down the stretch (Parque a game 1 starter...yeesh).
2003 really was the one that hurt me. I thought that team was built for the title. I lived in NY up until 2002 (and do again now), so I kept up with the Yankees and the Media out there, and I remember a NY Post headline, "Thanks Chicago for giving the Yankees a clear shot to the ALCS" (They thought MN was a joke, but we were the real deal). Giambi even came out and said that he was glad they didn't have to face us.

This year hurts pretty bad though. For me, the thought of not making the playoffs stings really bad. Like many people, I kind of just took it for granted that we'd be in this year. All year long I've told people "I'm not worried about Detroit." Then, when they got up 10, I said the same thing about MN.

Well, now time is running out. I'm not ready to completely concede until Det and MN reach their magic #'s, but I'm definitely worried now...

JB98
09-19-2006, 02:08 PM
Hawk Harrelson calls out the team Sunday and the newspapers start printing stories about it, getting the reaction from the players.

The 'reaction' was typical of this group, basically there was none from the quotes. No four letter words, no denials....basically nothing.

Hawk is on the field during batting practice yesterday in case anyone has anything to say to him. No players hold him accountable.

Nothing it appears gets under these guys skins and gets them angry and it shows on the field.

Lip

Honestly, I'd rather not have players arguing with broadcasters. This 2006 team reminds me enough of the 2004 Cubs as it is.

GoGoSoxReborn
09-19-2006, 02:10 PM
I'm as pissed as anyone else here about the season... disgusted might be a better word.

But I don't know if it is a lack of want or lack of trying... just remember it's easy to look like you don't care when you are playing like **** and nothing is going right.

Lack of chemistry... maybe

Go back and watch the World Series DVD sometime this week and watch the one unifying factor that almost molds the whole story line together and brings out the fun in all the guys...

I didn't realize it until I watched the DVD again after our suckfest.

I'll give you a hint... he wore 33

itsnotrequired
09-19-2006, 02:11 PM
I'm as pissed as anyone else here about the season... disgusted might be a better word.

But I don't know if it is a lack of want or lack of trying... just remember it's easy to look like you don't care when you are playing like **** and nothing is going right.

Lack of chemistry... maybe

Go back and watch the World Series DVD sometime this week and watch the one unifying factor that almost molds the whole story line together and brings out the fun in all the guys...

I didn't realize it until I watched the DVD again after our suckfest.

I'll give you a hint... he wore 33

Scottie Pippen?

0o0o0
09-19-2006, 02:17 PM
Go back and watch the World Series DVD sometime this week and watch the one unifying factor that almost molds the whole story line together and brings out the fun in all the guys...

I didn't realize it until I watched the DVD again after our suckfest.

I'll give you a hint... he wore 33


It's a DVD. It doesn't show everything.

pudge
09-19-2006, 02:17 PM
I think a previous post in this thread nailed it - this is NOT the first team to con us. It happens again and again and again in baseball because it's a long season and not everyone is a "grinder". These guys did get a little fat off a World Series and we lost two grinders in Rowand and Everett. But there have been many disappointing White Sox teams before this one, and there will be many more after. In all honesty, I'm bummed, but not totally shocked. I thought this team played over its head last year, and I wasn't convinced the arms would hold up after a long October in '05.

Uncle_Patrick
09-19-2006, 02:23 PM
Scottie Pippen?

He was great for us last year. :D:

Lip Man 1
09-19-2006, 02:25 PM
JB:

Would it have killed them to at least say, 'no that's not the case.'

I mean NOTHING!

Lip

SoxFan78
09-19-2006, 02:26 PM
I'm as pissed as anyone else here about the season... disgusted might be a better word.

But I don't know if it is a lack of want or lack of trying... just remember it's easy to look like you don't care when you are playing like **** and nothing is going right.

Lack of chemistry... maybe

Go back and watch the World Series DVD sometime this week and watch the one unifying factor that almost molds the whole story line together and brings out the fun in all the guys...

I didn't realize it until I watched the DVD again after our suckfest.

I'll give you a hint... he wore 33

FOR THE LAST TIME, AARON ROWAND IS NOT THE REASON WHY THE SOX ARE STRUGGLING!!!!!

What position did Aaron play? Was he a starting pitcher? Was he a relief pitcher? No he was a center fielder.

Yes, we could of used his bats in some circumstances. But it wasn't like we traded away a .375 hitter.

If you can show me proof that Aaron made Mark Buehrle, Jose Contreas, Freddy Garcia, Neil Cotts, Brandon McCarthy, Cliff Politte, Chris Widger, etc. better players, then he is the reason why they are not in the playoffs.

If you can't provide proof, then stop it with this Rowand theory.

assrevolution
09-19-2006, 02:26 PM
Everett was no grinder. just a piece of shiiiit.

itsnotrequired
09-19-2006, 02:28 PM
Everett was no grinder. just a piece of ******.

Silly assrevolution...

:rolleyes:

assrevolution
09-19-2006, 02:31 PM
There I go again. Calling out the homophobes. Does anyone actually miss Carl? or his .250 average? That didn't look so bad next to a bunch of <.300 averages I guess. I miss his pop-ups. infield pop-ups. 0-out, runners on, infield pop-ups. mmmmmmmm....memories...

assrevolution
09-19-2006, 02:40 PM
I'm still confused by all the debate on why the Sox have failed. I think it's pretty black and white (excuse the pun?).

Hitting - greatly improved
Pitching (Starting/bullpen) - got worse

The team that has much better pitching is leading the division (that's the Tigers if you don't know). I know this is boring, but it's fact. Granted, they may be having career years just like a lot of Sox pitchers did last year. Isn't that what puts you in a position to win a title? career years? I don't remember a lot of those Yankee pitchers years ago just skating by into the postseason. Those years are tough to come by, which when they do is why it's the most exciting thing to watch in all of sports (yes, even more so than the super bowl. which sucks by the way unless you like watching 5 hours of commericals. I don't get it.)

You can't fault the players for not having career years. You can fault them if they don't have the heart to give all that it takes to win. I can't be the judge of that, but I bet Ozzie and Kenny know where those problems lie and I trust them to handle it in the offseason.

0o0o0
09-19-2006, 02:41 PM
I miss his pop-ups. infield pop-ups. 0-out, runners on, infield pop-ups. mmmmmmmm....memories...

You didn't see enough of that this year?

October26
09-19-2006, 02:48 PM
Thank you, southside_rocks. Enjoyed reading your rant (not the message but boy can I relate to what you are feeling). Been a Sox fan since '71. Your rant made made me think that I'm so glad I partied like crazy last October when we won it all. I also feel like a fool. Thank God for whitesoxinteractive.com (my therapy). :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

assrevolution
09-19-2006, 02:49 PM
You didn't see enough of that this year?

When thinking of this year, strikeouts and double play grounders come to mind. Definitely the strikeouts.

Iwritecode
09-19-2006, 03:33 PM
Isn't that what puts you in a position to win a title? career years?

No. The fact is that most of the pitching staff have had the opposite of career years. They've basically had the worst year of their life.

If the pitching staff pitched to their career averages, they'd be in first right now. But that's the problem. Nobody could've predicted that Burly, Garcia, Contreas, Cotts and Politte would give up more runs, hits, homeruns, etc... than they ever had in their entire career.

TDog
09-19-2006, 06:06 PM
I can think of a few disappointments that rank right up there with this year...
'78 team going no where after a great '77
...

Every team has a story. With most franchises -- with almost all franchises -- you can work up the same sort of history of disappointment, and every year there are different reasons.

But consider 1978. Yes 1977 was a great season. The Sox won 90 games even though they couldn't win anything in September. They finished in third place, 13 games behind Kansas City. And Sox fans consider that a great season. The Sox should do better than that this year, so will you be more excited about 2007 than you were about 1978?

Jimmy Piersall said after the Sox finished 6 games back in 1982 that the team was hopeless and didn't have a prayer in 1983. Obviously things weren't that bad. I'm disappointed with this Sox season, but I don't think things are that bad this season. I've spent most of my life without the Sox in the playoffs. I believe they'll be back.

A lot of people didn't thing the Sox would get past the Indians this year.

DickAllen72
09-19-2006, 06:12 PM
Well, I’ve been a White Sox fan since 1967, and I’m not going to stop being a White Sox fan anytime soon – probably never in my lifetime.

But this year’s team has disappointed me in a way that I don’t recall experiencing before.

I don’t even care if the White Sox go to the post-season this year, although they will be roasted on a spit by their GM if they don’t – and deservedly so. I care that they play good baseball and that they CARE about the game they play. They look to me and to a lot of other fans like they don’t care. Like they’re as comfortable losing as they are winning; like neither means a whole lot to them this year. All season, they’ve said that they have a loose clubhouse. But maybe, when a team is not playing up to its potential, the clubhouse shouldn’t be so loose. Maybe their individual and collective pride should make them angry or ashamed to play below their abilities.

And that’s what I can’t forgive: that I believed in a team that never believed in itself. I feel conned, I feel like a fool, and I feel like there should be a whole lot of new faces in those pinstripes in 2007.

I feel your pain. :wink:

DickAllen72
09-19-2006, 06:16 PM
There I go again. Calling out the homophobes. :?:


Does anyone actually miss Carl?
I do.

DickAllen72
09-19-2006, 06:19 PM
Everett was no grinder. just a piece of shiiiit.
I thought we weren't allowed to bypass the language filters.

we be jake
09-19-2006, 06:26 PM
Honestly, I'd rather not have players arguing with broadcasters. This 2006 team reminds me enough of the 2004 Cubs as it is.

I am disappointed too and have posted some emotional, vitriolic thoughts about "the slide" but I can never compare my guys to those losers up north.

Lip Man 1
09-19-2006, 06:36 PM
Just a historical note.

I don't see how anyone could have expected the 1978 Sox to do anything having lost Zisk and Gamble the middle of the order was gutted. The deal for Bobby Bonds (which included a young catcher/outfielder named Brian Downing who played well in 77) was a monsterous dud.

The team was so bad, Veeck realized there was no way in hell Bonds would re-sign with the Sox so he traded him to Texas after roughly 30 days on the South Side. He got back Claudell Washington (I think) which made it worse.

If you want to talk about a very good team with high expectations that disappointed in a sense look at the 1965 team, the team that was the consensus favorites to win it all, because they won 98 games in 1964 and traded brilliantly in the off season. At least they had an excuse for not winning it. Injuries, something this club does not have. You can also definitely include 1968, 1973, 1984 and 1995.

Here's more on the 65 club:

1965 Season (Final Record: 95-67 2nd Place)

At first glace you have to ask, how does a team that wins 95 games in a season be considered a "disappointment." That’s a legitimate question. The only reason the 65 White Sox are in here is because the 1964 White Sox finished one game behind the Yankees and closed the season winning nine straight. The 65 team finished seven games behind the Twins and had their old friend Mr. Injury make another appearance. The three year stretch from 1963 through 1965 may have been the best in franchise history. The White Sox won a total of 287 games, they averaged 96 wins per season yet couldn’t reach the World Series.

The off season saw the Sox reacquire Johnny Romano as well as pick up two rookies who would become sensational with the club in the near future. Tommy Agee and Tommy John were acquired as part of a three team trade with Cleveland and Kansas City. Those moves made the Sox the favorites among a number of the media. Sox owner Art Allyn predicted in spring training the Sox would win the pennant.

In the early part of the season, it looked like the media was right. The Sox got off to a blazing start winning 22 of their first 30 games and built up a 4 ˝ game lead by mid May. It was at this point when injuries hit two of the top pitchers in the league.

Gary Peters won 19 games in 1963... 20 games in 1964. However as he explained in his interview with WSI, early in 1965 he suffered a groin injury that hampered him all season. It changed his motion and resulted in a loss of effectiveness as well as a losing mark for the year. Juan Pizarro also a top shelf winner in 1963 and 1964 came down with a bad arm, basically missing most of the season. The loss of the top two left handers on one team in baseball was bad enough but the strain of so many close games over the years finally took its toll on Manager Al Lopez.

Lopez was hospitalized with a stomach ailment in June. That illness convinced him it was time to leave and he would wind up resigning in November. In the short term, his illness and the uncertainty of it broke the continuity of the team.

Throw in the "frozen baseball" controversy started by the Tigers in August and you had a season that while very successful in the win column, had all the tendencies of being on a roller coaster at Riverview. It also came up short from the championship standpoint.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=2&id=2192

Lip

SoxSpeed22
09-19-2006, 06:36 PM
That's what winning a world series changes, have a year like this and were all annoyed as hell. I'm dissapointed too, but that's why I don't forget lessons from the past because of what we didn't have. And how everything changed after 2005.
With all that said, if the Angels make the playoffs, I'll root for them. If not, the Yankees *chunks* to come out of the AL. But I'll root for the NL anyway.

MadetoOrta
09-19-2006, 06:38 PM
I hope not for a complete overhaul but a major one. Freddie needs to go. He has value after the near perfect game. Uribe needs to go. I lost it early when we won the first two games of the Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay and Balitmore series' and couldn't sweep.

JB98
09-19-2006, 07:11 PM
I am disappointed too and have posted some emotional, vitriolic thoughts about "the slide" but I can never compare my guys to those losers up north.

Overhyped starting rotation, power-based offense, leaky bullpen, finishing around 90 wins and out of the playoffs despite 100-win talent. Sad to say, but it describes both the 2004 Cubs and the 2006 Sox.

Parrothead
09-19-2006, 07:48 PM
I can think of a few disappointments that rank right up there with this year

1) 68' team going no where after being close to the WS in 67'
2) 73' team going no where after a great 72'
3) 78' team going no where after a great 77'
4) 83' team not advancing to the World Series after a dream season
5) 84' team going no where after a magical 83'
6) 93' team not advancing to the World Series after a dream season
7) 95' team going no where after the 94' strike cut short a chance at WS
8) 2000 team failing to win a playoff game
9) talented 2003 team choking down the stretch vs Minny...

the biggest disappointment about this year is despite not dominating the division like everyone thought we would, there is a good probablility we
won't even make the playoffs due to maybe 5 or 6 games we flat out just
gave away....lack of hunger? lack of desire? no one will ever know...

the thing you learn as Sox fan is that no matter how good the team looks on paper, and all the promising pre season speculation and hype, the games have to played on the field where all stats and hype get thrown out the window...

Amen, brother....I am tired of hearing about the teams collaspe this year....there is no collaspe they are still 18 games over .500. Other teams are just doing better. Sure it is dissapointing.

And to everyone else.....ROWAND NOT BEING HERE IS NOT THE REASON THE SOX DID NOT WIN MORE GAMES !

GoSox2K3
09-19-2006, 11:50 PM
I thought we weren't allowed to bypass the language filters.

You are allowed to bypass the filters if you're a member of the revolution.

captain54
09-20-2006, 12:37 AM
[/COLOR] The three year stretch from 1963 through 1965 may have been the best in franchise history. The White Sox won a total of 287 games, they averaged 96 wins per season yet couldn’t reach the World Series.



Lip

Who knows how many World Series appearances the 63, 64 and 65 Sox could have had, had the playoff system been in place...

Even though I was but a young'un, I remember how frustrating it was those years to have such damn good teams and end up with nothing.....

what year did Dave Nicholson hit that monster homerun over the upper deck and completely out of the park?

Hangar18
09-20-2006, 10:05 AM
Pretty long post, and I remember much of the disappointment this franchise has dished out over the years, so I feel qualified to say that this season ranks right up there. It is very very HARD to repeat, everyone knows that, but this SOX team had the best chance of any previous WS winner to go all the way again. They had a truckload of opportunities to be in 1st, and guess what? They didnt want it bad enough. If they did, they get that bunt down during the NY series. Maybe Ozzie yanks Buehrle in the 1st after the 5th run scored. Maybe Ozzie doesnt put Mackowiak in CF as often as he did. I wrote this team off after the Boston series in July. You could just tell it wasnt in the cards. There were too many other teams playing better.

The only good thing to take from this, is that in the offseason, Kenny will (he better) man up, and realize his mistakes this season and get us better. In years past, the SOX would make more holes to fix other holes. The SOX got a taste of the good life, and they like it (finally).

southside rocks
09-20-2006, 10:26 AM
Yeah, I know it's long -- sorry. I was kind of wound up and the words just kept coming. Look on it as my way of turning over the spread table in the clubhouse.

To those who have remembered other disappointing seasons: definitely! That 10-game losing streak to open the 1968 season was like being repeatedly kicked in the gut. I still remember the headline when they won one, finally: SOX COME OFF FLOOR AT COUNT OF TEN. Niiiiiice.

But TO ME, this year's team is more disappointing than the others, and the reason is obvious: they won it all last year. And in the off-season, the GM made trades that improved that World Series Championship team! Oh yes, the curse of high expectations -- that's something we never really had before, and it's the cause of a lot of my letdown.

Last night's win was so nice to see. I hope so much that they keep on playing that way and winning ... I want to turn my back on the team, but I can't. As Ozzie himself said, in today's Sun-Times: ''I loved the White Sox when they were good, I loved the White Sox when they were bad and I still love the White Sox.''

Me too, Oz. Me too.

Hitmen77
09-20-2006, 11:20 AM
Overhyped starting rotation, power-based offense, leaky bullpen, finishing around 90 wins and out of the playoffs despite 100-win talent. Sad to say, but it describes both the 2004 Cubs and the 2006 Sox.

Some similarities - but I think the '04 Cubs crumbled is a much worse way. Players arguing with TV announcers, both TV announcers quitting, overrated fraud of an icon quitting on the team. They really imploded.

Also, the '06 Sox play in a tougher division/league and face tougher competition than either the '04 or the '03 Cubs. Even so, we're still on track to win more games than either of those teams. However, it's been taking about 94 wins to make the playoffs in the AL in recent years while an NL team has been able to get there with about 88 wins.

FloridaSox
09-20-2006, 11:22 AM
I am 63 years old and never thought I would see a White Sox World Series Championship.

Well, I did and I am always going to be grateful. So, Thank You Chicago White Sox.

Next year will come soon enough.

Lip Man 1
09-20-2006, 11:23 AM
Captain:

Big Nick's titanic blast (which may have been the longest home run in baseball history) took place on May 6, 1964 off the A's Moe Drabowsky.

Lip

Jerko
09-20-2006, 12:25 PM
Hangar, you wrote them off after that Boston series? I thought the 19 inning win would catapult us to greatness, but looking back, it looks like that game took a lot out of both teams.

Pete Ward
09-20-2006, 01:13 PM
Add Pete Ward to this list - he was involved in a car accident prior to the season wasnt he? Look at his '63 + "64 seasons and then look at '65

Just a historical note.

I don't see how anyone could have expected the 1978 Sox to do anything having lost Zisk and Gamble the middle of the order was gutted. The deal for Bobby Bonds (which included a young catcher/outfielder named Brian Downing who played well in 77) was a monsterous dud.

The team was so bad, Veeck realized there was no way in hell Bonds would re-sign with the Sox so he traded him to Texas after roughly 30 days on the South Side. He got back Claudell Washington (I think) which made it worse.

If you want to talk about a very good team with high expectations that disappointed in a sense look at the 1965 team, the team that was the consensus favorites to win it all, because they won 98 games in 1964 and traded brilliantly in the off season. At least they had an excuse for not winning it. Injuries, something this club does not have. You can also definitely include 1968, 1973, 1984 and 1995.

Here's more on the 65 club:

1965 Season (Final Record: 95-67 2nd Place)

At first glace you have to ask, how does a team that wins 95 games in a season be considered a "disappointment." That’s a legitimate question. The only reason the 65 White Sox are in here is because the 1964 White Sox finished one game behind the Yankees and closed the season winning nine straight. The 65 team finished seven games behind the Twins and had their old friend Mr. Injury make another appearance. The three year stretch from 1963 through 1965 may have been the best in franchise history. The White Sox won a total of 287 games, they averaged 96 wins per season yet couldn’t reach the World Series.

The off season saw the Sox reacquire Johnny Romano as well as pick up two rookies who would become sensational with the club in the near future. Tommy Agee and Tommy John were acquired as part of a three team trade with Cleveland and Kansas City. Those moves made the Sox the favorites among a number of the media. Sox owner Art Allyn predicted in spring training the Sox would win the pennant.

In the early part of the season, it looked like the media was right. The Sox got off to a blazing start winning 22 of their first 30 games and built up a 4 ˝ game lead by mid May. It was at this point when injuries hit two of the top pitchers in the league.

Gary Peters won 19 games in 1963... 20 games in 1964. However as he explained in his interview with WSI, early in 1965 he suffered a groin injury that hampered him all season. It changed his motion and resulted in a loss of effectiveness as well as a losing mark for the year. Juan Pizarro also a top shelf winner in 1963 and 1964 came down with a bad arm, basically missing most of the season. The loss of the top two left handers on one team in baseball was bad enough but the strain of so many close games over the years finally took its toll on Manager Al Lopez.

Lopez was hospitalized with a stomach ailment in June. That illness convinced him it was time to leave and he would wind up resigning in November. In the short term, his illness and the uncertainty of it broke the continuity of the team.

Throw in the "frozen baseball" controversy started by the Tigers in August and you had a season that while very successful in the win column, had all the tendencies of being on a roller coaster at Riverview. It also came up short from the championship standpoint.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=2&id=2192

Lip

Dick Allen
09-20-2006, 01:35 PM
Just a historical note.

I don't see how anyone could have expected the 1978 Sox to do anything having lost Zisk and Gamble the middle of the order was gutted. The deal for Bobby Bonds (which included a young catcher/outfielder named Brian Downing who played well in 77) was a monsterous dud.

The team was so bad, Veeck realized there was no way in hell Bonds would re-sign with the Sox so he traded him to Texas after roughly 30 days on the South Side. He got back Claudell Washington (I think) which made it worse.

If you want to talk about a very good team with high expectations that disappointed in a sense look at the 1965 team, the team that was the consensus favorites to win it all, because they won 98 games in 1964 and traded brilliantly in the off season. At least they had an excuse for not winning it. Injuries, something this club does not have. You can also definitely include 1968, 1973, 1984 and 1995.

Here's more on the 65 club:

1965 Season (Final Record: 95-67 2nd Place)

At first glace you have to ask, how does a team that wins 95 games in a season be considered a "disappointment." That’s a legitimate question. The only reason the 65 White Sox are in here is because the 1964 White Sox finished one game behind the Yankees and closed the season winning nine straight. The 65 team finished seven games behind the Twins and had their old friend Mr. Injury make another appearance. The three year stretch from 1963 through 1965 may have been the best in franchise history. The White Sox won a total of 287 games, they averaged 96 wins per season yet couldn’t reach the World Series.

The off season saw the Sox reacquire Johnny Romano as well as pick up two rookies who would become sensational with the club in the near future. Tommy Agee and Tommy John were acquired as part of a three team trade with Cleveland and Kansas City. Those moves made the Sox the favorites among a number of the media. Sox owner Art Allyn predicted in spring training the Sox would win the pennant.

In the early part of the season, it looked like the media was right. The Sox got off to a blazing start winning 22 of their first 30 games and built up a 4 ˝ game lead by mid May. It was at this point when injuries hit two of the top pitchers in the league.

Gary Peters won 19 games in 1963... 20 games in 1964. However as he explained in his interview with WSI, early in 1965 he suffered a groin injury that hampered him all season. It changed his motion and resulted in a loss of effectiveness as well as a losing mark for the year. Juan Pizarro also a top shelf winner in 1963 and 1964 came down with a bad arm, basically missing most of the season. The loss of the top two left handers on one team in baseball was bad enough but the strain of so many close games over the years finally took its toll on Manager Al Lopez.

Lopez was hospitalized with a stomach ailment in June. That illness convinced him it was time to leave and he would wind up resigning in November. In the short term, his illness and the uncertainty of it broke the continuity of the team.

Throw in the "frozen baseball" controversy started by the Tigers in August and you had a season that while very successful in the win column, had all the tendencies of being on a roller coaster at Riverview. It also came up short from the championship standpoint.

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=2&id=2192

LipLip, I remember the funny thing about Peters and Pizarro was that they were also two of the better hitters on those teams.

captain54
09-20-2006, 01:47 PM
Captain:

Big Nick's titanic blast (which may have been the longest home run in baseball history) took place on May 6, 1964 off the A's Moe Drabowsky.

Lip

Nicholson also holds the season record for strikeouts.....

Over the years the official measurement of that HR has been refuted...claiming the Sox may have fudged with the number
or didn't have reliable measuring apparatus in 1964....

Hangar18
09-20-2006, 01:51 PM
Hangar, you wrote them off after that Boston series? I thought the 19 inning win would catapult us to greatness, but looking back, it looks like that game took a lot out of both teams.


Yes, that 19 inning game did take alot more out of the SOX than meets the eye. Actually, that stupid Sunday game 7/2 took alot out of the SOX too
(thanks Buehrle)

Lip Man 1
09-20-2006, 02:07 PM
Captain:

For what it's worth where the ball went over the fence at Comiskey Park was 375 feet from home plate. The ball was found 135 feet from the base of the left center field wall in Armour Park. Now add in the height it took to 'clear' or one hop' the left center field roof and that's a titanic blast fudged figures or not.

Pete:

No question that was a factor as well. Pete talked about the injury in detail in his WSI Interview.

Lip

captain54
09-20-2006, 04:18 PM
Captain:

For what it's worth where the ball went over the fence at Comiskey Park was 375 feet from home plate. The ball was found 135 feet from the base of the left center field wall in Armour Park. Now add in the height it took to 'clear' or one hop' the left center field roof and that's a titanic blast fudged figures or not.



Lip

no question a prolific blast...hell, we're still talking about it 42 yrs later...

I remember the diagram in the Sun-Times the next day that indicated the
ball cleared the roof, but also heard eyewitnesses say it clearly one hopped
or maybe even double hopped the roof...

I often wondered where Nicholson's homer would have landed had it been hit in New Comiskey...

russ99
09-21-2006, 09:13 AM
I think it's good for us as Sox fans to go through this difficult season. We don't want to become like these annoying Yankmee and Red Cub fans that just expect to win every season and throw reason out the window.

Sure the championship pushed expectations up a bit too much, but I'm actually looking forward to watching Sox baseball next season without this pressure of repeating on my shoulders, and just enjoying the game and the team as they play without expectations. Maybe that's the biggest difference from last year.

Maybe the players let this pressure get to them too, keeping them from playing loose, fun 2005 Sox baseball.

October26
09-21-2006, 09:24 AM
I, too am looking ahead to 2007 (what else can I do). We have some good young prospects that we won't really be able to see play very much because there are such few games left in the '06 season and until the Oakland series, we were still in the playoff hunt. Frank and Maggs helped put the final nails in our coffins for this year. That hurts.

I'll be checking whitesoxinteractive.com regularly during the off season and looking forward to February when pitchers and catchers report.

October26
Sox fan since 1971
October 26, 2005 - The happiest day of my life.