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cheeses_h_rice
09-18-2006, 10:41 PM
Fingernails just cinched it.

http://www.zenwaiter.com/photos/indexnew/fat%20lady%20sings.jpg

samram
09-18-2006, 10:41 PM
Ouch.


Sigh.:(:

norsepalehoser
09-18-2006, 10:42 PM
:(:

Has there ever been a more hyped team that crumbled so badly?

This is a sad day.

TigersFan
09-18-2006, 10:42 PM
I think you guy's have alot to be proud of. In two years you've turned the franchise around. Unfortunatley the Twins and Tigers both got hot this year. It was a great summer and I have a feeling we'll be battling with each other for years to come!

RedHeadPaleHoser
09-18-2006, 10:43 PM
Yep. I agree. This season is officially over.

Time to re-vamp and restructure the pitching staff.

esbrechtel
09-18-2006, 10:43 PM
:whiner::angry::whiner::angry::whiner:

bridgeportcopper
09-18-2006, 10:46 PM
It's over! This is sad to watch such an individually talented collection of players unravel and not play as a team. I will continue to watch, but this is really uphill now. In years past I never took it this hard when the elimination happened, but this was just so different. Last year just raised the bar and I was so sure this October would involve White Sox playoffs. This is hard to swallow! Start finding a team to cheer for to make the playoffs interesting.... me? I'll take Big Frank and the A's even though they helped ruin our season.

batmanZoSo
09-18-2006, 10:48 PM
There will be no joy in Mudville this year.

TigersFan
09-18-2006, 10:50 PM
On some positive notes

You have the Bears to cheer for
Joe Crede is the best fielding 3B I've ever seen
The Bulls will have a great season

Sox will be back next year - don't worry

CHISOXFAN13
09-18-2006, 10:51 PM
I'd like to see Fields and Sweeney on a fairly regular basis for the rest of the season. Time to see what they can do.

TornLabrum
09-18-2006, 10:52 PM
I had a ticket for tonight's game. I have had a bad sinus headache all day. I decided not to go. I applaud my wise decision.

Parrothead
09-18-2006, 10:52 PM
:(:

Has there ever been a more hyped team that crumbled so badly?

This is a sad day.

Yes, the 1984 team.....finished sub-.500

CHISOXFAN13
09-18-2006, 10:52 PM
On some positive notes

You have the Bears to cheer for
Joe Crede is the best fielding 3B I've ever seen
The Bulls will have a great season

Sox will be back next year - don't worry

I agree on all accounts. It's not like we are that far off.

Good luck to you and all the other Tigers fans who have been classy throughout the year. For the die-hards, it's a long overdue playoff appearance, I'm sure.

aryzner
09-18-2006, 10:53 PM
I'll be rooting for the Twins in the playoffs. Got family living there who are Twins fans, so I gotta support them. Sorry if this pisses off any other Sox fans!

mwc44
09-18-2006, 10:58 PM
I had a ticket for tonight's game. I have had a bad sinus headache all day. I decided not to go. I applaud my wise decision.


I feel myself saying the same thing about my tickets for tomorrow night.

Johnny Mostil
09-18-2006, 10:59 PM
Yes, the 1984 team.....finished sub-.500

Yep. And in '83 Sox had a 20-game Cy Young winner, another 20-game winner, and a third pitcher who was 2nd in the league in Ks, before adding a fourth HoF pitcher--and then winning 25 fewer games in '84.

Then on the other side of town, in '03 a team that was 5 outs from the Series was touted to win it all in '04, had a 1.5 game lead on a playoff spot with six games to play, and then lost 5 of 6.

I could probably do this all night. Suffice it to say a team that, alas, never really gelled can't really crumble . . .

cheeses_h_rice
09-18-2006, 10:59 PM
For the playoffs, I'll probably root for the Mets in the NL just because of Manos/El Duque, along with guys like Reyes/Beltran who I enjoy watching. In the AL, I'm not left with a lot of good choices, though I would like to see Big Frank get a chance to have his first good playoff experience since 1993. If I had to choose, I'd take the Tigers over the Twins, too.

So depressing thinking about this crap.

:(:

Fuller_Schettman
09-18-2006, 11:00 PM
I tend to agree. We are at the point where it would take winning all of the rest of our games and our team just looks too defeated. You could almost literally see the team deflate as Big Frank's HR left the yard yesterday.

My post-mortem: IMHO, the blame gets distributed between 1) the ineffectiveness of Pods; 2) Uneven starting pitching; 3) the burden of carrying a pair of .230 hitters; 4) the bullpen meltdown and 5) the general inability to be anything more than a .500 team after the Fourth of July, due largely to a lack of clutch hitting.

My solutions: Pull the trigger on the Michael Young/Garcia trade. Young is 2nd in the AL in batting average w/RISP. Trade Uribe for a 2nd tier corner outfielder to hold down the fort until Fields is ready. Get some relief help and move McCarthy to the rotation. Shop Vasquez for another starter.

Johnny Mostil
09-18-2006, 11:01 PM
I feel myself saying the same thing about my tickets for tomorrow night.

I was offered freebies for tomorrow, but had a conflict. I was sorry to have felt relief over that, but I did feel it . . .

Jjav829
09-18-2006, 11:01 PM
And we stole Ben Wallace from you, Detroit! So take that! You can end our baseball season, but you can't take away that Lions ass-kicking and Ben Wallace isn't coming back. So ha!

Good news: Josh Fields homered in his first MLB at-bat! :bandance:

Bad news: Our season is over. :angry:

Fields better start tomorrow.

viagracat
09-18-2006, 11:01 PM
I think you guy's have alot to be proud of. In two years you've turned the franchise around. Unfortunatley the Twins and Tigers both got hot this year. It was a great summer and I have a feeling we'll be battling with each other for years to come!

Congrats on making the playoffs. Unless the Sox pull off an absolute miracle, I'm pulling for the Tigers in the postseason. For real.

Deuce
09-18-2006, 11:02 PM
:hawk

"Well, you can cancel the post-season show..."

SoXPriDe33
09-18-2006, 11:02 PM
Well I have tickets for wednesday night and I will be going but I want to see this lineup on Wednesday: Owens LF, Sweeney RF, Fields DH, Konerko 1B, Crede 3B, Iguchi 2B, Anderson CF, Cintron SS, Stewart C. This team underachieved all season. They just never clicked.

NoShoesJoe
09-18-2006, 11:03 PM
Game's ovah. So it goes, just like the season.

Demafrost
09-18-2006, 11:03 PM
Rough, rough, rough. I won't believe the Sox are finished until they are officially eliminated though, sad as that sounds.

Myrtle72
09-18-2006, 11:03 PM
Yay for Josh Fields, yay for an amusing triple play, and besides that, this game sucked.

esbrechtel
09-18-2006, 11:03 PM
:whiner:

DickAllen72
09-18-2006, 11:04 PM
Well, folks.......... :(:

Beer Can Chicken
09-18-2006, 11:04 PM
That's all she wrote. What a damn shame.

aryzner
09-18-2006, 11:04 PM
While there is obviously a one in a million chance that both the Tigers and Twins fall apart in these last couple of weeks, I think it's safe to say the season is over.

How disappointing.

NoShoesJoe
09-18-2006, 11:04 PM
Fight the Good Fight by Triumph playing at game end. *****!

esbrechtel
09-18-2006, 11:04 PM
Rough, rough, rough. I won't believe the Sox are finished until they are officially eliminated though, sad as that sounds.

im sad about the loss, but i feel the same way....maybe im just pathetic...

viagracat
09-18-2006, 11:04 PM
:hawk

"Well, you can cancel the post-season show..."

Funny and sad at the same time...

slobes
09-18-2006, 11:04 PM
Sigh....

I'm completely drained of all emotion

TornLabrum
09-18-2006, 11:04 PM
I feel myself saying the same thing about my tickets for tomorrow night.

I was talking to the attendant at a gas station in DeKalb today ($2.379/gal), who had tickets in row 15 behind the plate for tomorrow night. Based on what he said to me this afternoon, you're not the only one saying that.

0o0o0
09-18-2006, 11:05 PM
What a disgraceful performance. Hopefully we get to see some Fields and some Owens in the next couple weeks.

Norberto7
09-18-2006, 11:05 PM
Well, that was like watching a funeral.

*Bagpipes play Taps, mournfully*

Cuck the Fubs
09-18-2006, 11:05 PM
Well........

I have been backing them all season long......and now, even though I hate to admit it, it's ovah.

Still, it was a fun season.

Let's get the mojo back in 07

NoShoesJoe
09-18-2006, 11:05 PM
Sigh....

I'm completely drained of all emotion

You and a couple of million others, including me.

PushinWeight
09-18-2006, 11:06 PM
Does this team even win 90 games?

Lip Man 1
09-18-2006, 11:07 PM
Given last season and the way things have unraveled in the second half I won't be watching any post season baseball.

I'm sorry but seeing the Minnesota Twins in the post season for the 4th time in five years turns my stomach and gets me ill.

Regarding 'hyped' teams, I give the club credit for at least having a winning season but that's all. Outside of that they are just like the 1995, 1984, 1973 and 1968 teams that were pegged as 'can't miss' by much of the baseball world only somehow did.

Lip

NoShoesJoe
09-18-2006, 11:07 PM
Hawk is talking about a DET sweep.

beckett21
09-18-2006, 11:07 PM
Horrible. :(:

On a brighter note, congrats to Fields. The lone bright spot of the night.

soxwon
09-18-2006, 11:09 PM
I'll be rooting for the Twins in the playoffs. Got family living there who are Twins fans, so I gotta support them. Sorry if this pisses off any other Sox fans!

im for the twinkies too
i hate the tigers and the a's
minn-mets series

samram
09-18-2006, 11:09 PM
For the playoffs, I'll probably root for the Mets in the NL just because of Manos/El Duque, along with guys like Reyes/Beltran who I enjoy watching. In the AL, I'm not left with a lot of good choices, though I would like to see Big Frank get a chance to have his first good playoff experience since 1993. If I had to choose, I'd take the Tigers over the Twins, too.

So depressing thinking about this crap.

:(:

For me, it will be the Dodgers if they get in.

NoShoesJoe
09-18-2006, 11:10 PM
im for the twinkies too
i hate the tigers and the a's
minn-mets series

So will I. Ozzie too, I bet.

SoXPriDe33
09-18-2006, 11:10 PM
The Sox just need to be overlooked going into a season to have a magical season. So any "expert" out there stop picking the Sox.

DickAllen72
09-18-2006, 11:11 PM
It's over! This is sad to watch such an individually talented collection of players unravel and not play as a team. I will continue to watch, but this is really uphill now. In years past I never took it this hard when the elimination happened, but this was just so different. Last year just raised the bar and I was so sure this October would involve White Sox playoffs.

I hope everyone has finally learned the lesson that you can't look at a roster in April and proclaim it as "The Best Team in Baseball".

The "Best Team in Baseball" is determined by who plays the best as a team on the field, not who looks best on a piece of paper.

CubsfansareDRUNK
09-18-2006, 11:11 PM
I can't believe its over. Yesterday I was so optimistic, I really thought we could pull this one out. After today I still had that feeling. Then I thought to myself..."What am I, a cubs fan?" I figured that although optimisitc, I had to be realistic. It's a sinking feeling in my stomach. :(:

beckett21
09-18-2006, 11:11 PM
For me, it will be the Dodgers if they get in.

I'm rooting for the apocalypse.

Okay, maybe I'll just root for the Bears instead. :redneck

cheezheadsoxfan
09-18-2006, 11:12 PM
On some positive notes

You have the Bears to cheer for
Joe Crede is the best fielding 3B I've ever seen
The Bulls will have a great season

Sox will be back next year - don't worry

You must be too young to remember Brooks Robinson, but yeah, Joe's heading that way. My favorite player.

Think Fields might join that list.

Thanks for the kind words. I'm behind you guys over the Twinks.

Joosh
09-18-2006, 11:12 PM
Given last season and the way things have unraveled in the second half I won't be watching any post season baseball.

I'm sorry but seeing the Minnesota Twins in the post season for the 4th time in five years turns my stomach and gets me ill.

Agreed.

I never lost hope last year while the Sox slid towards what seemed like certain doom. But how can anyone be optimistic at this point. Its over, sadly.

And I wont be watching any postseason baseball. Which sucks, because I'm not really a football or basketball fan, so I have nothing to look forward to this offseason.

:whiner:

100 Year Itch
09-18-2006, 11:12 PM
Not that it matters but if they're not careful the Sox could conceivably finish fourth or fifth in the wild card race.

beckett21
09-18-2006, 11:13 PM
I can't believe its over. Yesterday I was so optimistic, I really thought we could pull this one out. After today I still had that feeling. Then I thought to myself..."What am I, a cubs fan?" I figured that although optimisitc, I had to be realistic. It's a sinking feeling in my stomach. :(:

No, your team actually won something last year to give you reason to hold out hope.

sox_fan_forever
09-18-2006, 11:13 PM
That was painful. I always used to wonder how I would feel about losing after the Sox won it all, if they ever won it all. The answer: it still hurts. It's not exactly the same kind of pain as pre-2005, but it still hurts. Part of me is glad that it does. If losing didn't bother me, I wouldn't feel like a real Sox fan.

That said, I think I pretty much took for granted the whole year that they would be playing in October again. No matter what happened I kept thinking they would go on a run. It hasn't really sunk in yet. Probably won't until they are mathematically eliminated.

batmanZoSo
09-18-2006, 11:13 PM
I'm rooting for the apocalypse.

Okay, maybe I'll just root for the Bears instead. :redneck

Get ready for this

http://steveandamysly.tannerworld.com/databank/image_subway_logo1.gif

The world series back to the Mecca where it belongs. :rolleyes:

cheezheadsoxfan
09-18-2006, 11:13 PM
:(:

Has there ever been a more hyped team that crumbled so badly?



This is a sad day.

The '69 Cubs?:redneck

PushinWeight
09-18-2006, 11:14 PM
Oh and of who I will be rooting for to win it all, well how about the Bears. Or the Bulls.:wink:

JB98
09-18-2006, 11:14 PM
I had a ticket for tonight's game. I have had a bad sinus headache all day. I decided not to go. I applaud my wise decision.

I might contract that sinus headache and avoid Saturday's game. Hopefully, I'll get my spirit back by the end of the week, but right now, I don't think I want to go out to the ol' ball game.

JohnBasedowYoda
09-18-2006, 11:14 PM
2006:Masters of Our Own Destiny
http://www145.pair.com/zoom44/M-Karm-Acting/Method/picsMethod/ShootFoot.jpg

whitesoxfan
09-18-2006, 11:14 PM
I'm not going to be watching any of the postseason. I love baseball, but I can't watch it with a bunch of teams that I really do not care for.

This is all just too depressing :whiner:

JB98
09-18-2006, 11:15 PM
The '69 Cubs?:redneck

Don't forget the 2004 Cubs. They had the wild-card lead the last week of the season, and they blew it.

2004 Cubs = most hyped team in Chicago sports history (at least in my lifetime)

SABRSox
09-18-2006, 11:15 PM
JJav, we need to start that fantasy basketball draft, stat! I need to get my mind off this ****.

beckett21
09-18-2006, 11:16 PM
Get ready for this

http://steveandamysly.tannerworld.com/databank/image_subway_logo1.gif

The world series back to the Mecca where it belongs. :rolleyes:

:puking:

As hard as it is for me to imagine not watching the World Series, if that happens I don't think there is any way I could stomach it.

CLR01
09-18-2006, 11:17 PM
Oh and of who I will be rooting for to win it all, well how about the Bears. Or the Bulls.:wink:


Who cares about the damn Bulls or Bears, Dodgers, fantasy basketball or the weather in China. This is still a WHITE SOX POST GAMETHREAD. Keep it on topic.

A. Cavatica
09-18-2006, 11:17 PM
I feel bad for Dye. Without a playoff appearance, his great season will only rate 4th or 5th in the MVP voting. (Gotta figure Ortiz will beat him now, along with Jeter and at least one Twin.)

SABRSox
09-18-2006, 11:18 PM
:puking:

As hard as it is for me to imagine not watching the World Series, if that happens I don't think there is any way I could stomach it.

I don't care who's in, I'm going to do my part in making this the lowest rated World Series ever.

kevingrt
09-18-2006, 11:18 PM
:whiner: Such a frustrating second half of a season. It's sad and rather relieving that this Sox season is over. This team has taken a lot out of me. And it's tough to think that we won't be playing in October.

But you know what no one can take 2005 away from us Sox fans.

Hopefully next season brings more enjoyment to us Sox fans.

RIP '06 Chicago White Sox

whitesoxfan
09-18-2006, 11:19 PM
Don't forget the 2004 Cubs. They had the wild-card lead the last week of the season, and they blew it.

2004 Cubs = most hyped team in Chicago sports history (at least in my lifetime)

There are a ton of similarities between the 2004 Cubs team and this year's Sox team. Their pitching was supposed to be the best in baseball that year, and they struggled, similar to how our pitching was supposed to be the best in baseball and look what happened with that.

They had all of the big names and big stat guys on offense as I believe they had four guys with 30 homers that year. We will probably finish with four guys to hit 30 homers this year.

From top to bottom, their offense looked like the best in the NL; yet they struggled to score runs the last couple of weeks in the season. Sound familiar?

Yeah we didn't have a lead to blow in the final week, but we did blow a 7 1/2 game lead in the Wild Card that we held in July. A 12 game differential from the Yankees series in July to right now. That's pretty bad in its own right.

Jjav829
09-18-2006, 11:21 PM
How depressing. If you would have told me back in March that our season would be over by September 18th, I would have told you you were nuts. :(:

I'll still watch the playoffs because I like playoff baseball too much not to watch. It's just a great time in sports. I'll root for whoever wins the NL to win the World Series.

As for rooting interests, at least the Bears are now playing. And 6 weeks from tomorrow the Bulls open against the Heat as Ben Wallace debuts. Hot stove talk will be here soon enough. Should be an interesting offseason. I think we'll see a few big moves.

JB98
09-18-2006, 11:21 PM
I'm rooting for the apocalypse.

Okay, maybe I'll just root for the Bears instead. :redneck

Don't worry, Beck. At least we've got Illini football. :rolleyes:

cheezheadsoxfan
09-18-2006, 11:21 PM
Get ready for this



http://steveandamysly.tannerworld.com/databank/image_subway_logo1.gif

The world series back to the Mecca where it belongs. :rolleyes:

ESPN will explode from joy.

soxfan26
09-18-2006, 11:23 PM
There's a tear in my beer
'cause the Sox are nothing to cheer
2005 is on my lonely mind.
Into this last beer
I actually shed a tear
winning is on my lonely mind
I'm gonna keep drinkin'
until I'm petrified.
And then maybe these tears
will leave my eyes.

:whiner:

cheezheadsoxfan
09-18-2006, 11:23 PM
Don't forget the 2004 Cubs. They had the wild-card lead the last week of the season, and they blew it.

2004 Cubs = most hyped team in Chicago sports history (at least in my lifetime)

Thanks for the reminder. It'll give me ammo for the Cub fan at work that I know is waiting for me to walk in the door tomorrow. :redneck

eurotrash35
09-18-2006, 11:24 PM
This team did a great job this year by keeping me entertained until football season. I kept waiting for that huge run that I remember predicting back in May that never materialized, but at least they waited until September to completely blow it. I can't wait to see the '07 edition. Hopefully we'll be seeing some sneak peaks at some fresh faces in the next couple of weeks.

I think the problem was that I didn't go to soxfest this year. 2005 was the only year I've ever gone. coincidence?

JB98
09-18-2006, 11:25 PM
Thanks for the reminder. It'll give me ammo for the Cub fan at work that I know is waiting for me to walk in the door tomorrow. :redneck

Anything I can do to help.

Remember, those ****ers can't twist the knife on us anymore. We've been to the top of the mountain, and it was good. They'll never be able to say that. :D:

chisoxfanatic
09-18-2006, 11:25 PM
I'm gonna be pulling for the NL team in the World Series. I won't ever pull for a divisional opponent and hate the Yankees and A's.

Thanks for the memories of last year; but, learn from this year and don't play so lax down the stretch in '07!

cheezheadsoxfan
09-18-2006, 11:26 PM
How depressing. If you would have told me back in March that our season would be over by September 18th, I would have told you you were nuts. :(:

I'll still watch the playoffs because I like playoff baseball too much not to watch. It's just a great time in sports. I'll root for whoever wins the NL to win the World Series.

As for rooting interests, at least the Bears are now playing. And 6 weeks from tomorrow the Bulls open against the Heat as Ben Wallace debuts. Hot stove talk will be here soon enough. Should be an interesting offseason. I think we'll see a few big moves.

Same here with baseball although I could change my mind if the Twinks make it. And I'm a Packer fan so I'll be getting a lot of work done in the yard on these Fall Sundays.

eurotrash35
09-18-2006, 11:26 PM
Don't worry, Beck. At least we've got Illini football. :rolleyes:

I'm looking forward to Illini "football" on saturday. :redneck

1951Campbell
09-18-2006, 11:27 PM
I'm sad right now.

Nothing left to do but make like Al Michaels and believe in miracles, I guess. :(:

cheezheadsoxfan
09-18-2006, 11:27 PM
Anything I can do to help.

Remember, those ****ers can't twist the knife on us anymore. We've been to the top of the mountain, and it was good. They'll never be able to say that. :D:
Amen, brother!

LuvSox
09-18-2006, 11:27 PM
Just like others said, I'm on board until the math tells me to quit. Let's get those Tiggers tomorrow.

TornLabrum
09-18-2006, 11:28 PM
It's funny when you look back at things. I'm not going to contradict everything I've said up to this point about the Rowand for Thome trade. It was the right move. However, one wonders at the subtle changes in clubhouse chemistry that the trade caused.

It seems to me that the Three Stooges were an integral part of last year's clubhouse chemistry. (After all it was the Stooges who adopted that wretched Journey song as the team's anthem.) There was none of that this year after the Rowand trade broke up the Stooges.

Was such a shift in chemistry enough to change the complexion of the team that much? Who knows, but when a team underperforms this badly, you can't discount anything.

I'm still of the opinion, though, that the main problem is that compared to last year, the pitching sucked.

PeteWard
09-18-2006, 11:29 PM
So will I. Ozzie too, I bet.

I can't believe anyone would pull for any playoff ball, much less a WS to played in that disgusting dome.

beckett21
09-18-2006, 11:30 PM
Just like others said, I'm on board until the math tells me to quit. Let's get those Tiggers tomorrow.

You're a good man.

ondafarm
09-18-2006, 11:30 PM
:(:

Has there ever been a more hyped team that crumbled so badly?

This is a sad day.


Yes, Cleveland this year.

JB98
09-18-2006, 11:30 PM
I can't believe anyone would pull for any playoff ball, much less a WS to played in that disgusting dome.

I agree. **** the Twins. I'd rather see Detroit win. <shudders>

100 Year Itch
09-18-2006, 11:31 PM
Two events in this game did well to sum up the season:

1.) Mack booting the routine fly ball.

2.) Thome's solo shot in the eighth; it felt so "hollow", as in too little, too late.

I think even the Sox players think they're done now. The air is out of the balloon, the pressure is off -- which probably means they start playing looser and up to their potential. Unfortunately it will likely be too little, too late.

buehrle4cy05
09-18-2006, 11:31 PM
Good news: Josh Fields homered in his first MLB at-bat! :bandance:


Josh Fields makes me excited about the future.:)

cheezheadsoxfan
09-18-2006, 11:31 PM
It's funny when you look back at things. I'm not going to contradict everything I've said up to this point about the Rowand for Thome trade. It was the right move. However, one wonders at the subtle changes in clubhouse chemistry that the trade caused.

It seems to me that the Three Stooges were an integral part of last year's clubhouse chemistry. (After all it was the Stooges who adopted that wretched Journey song as the team's anthem.) There was none of that this year after the Rowand trade broke up the Stooges.

Was such a shift in chemistry enough to change the complexion of the team that much? Who knows, but when a team underperforms this badly, you can't discount anything.

I'm still of the opinion, though, that the main problem is that compared to last year, the pitching sucked.

Interesting theory, but I think if the pitching had been better they might have been able to find another stooge.

TomBradley72
09-18-2006, 11:33 PM
Anyone need two for Saturday's game?:(:

As a franchise...we're not very good at the whole "repeating" thing. See 1960, 1984, 1994 (:angry: ), 2001 and now 2006.

logansquaresox
09-18-2006, 11:33 PM
I can't believe anyone would pull for any playoff ball, much less a WS to played in that disgusting dome.

Hear, hear! I loathe everything Twins. Urgh.

eurotrash35
09-18-2006, 11:33 PM
It's funny when you look back at things. I'm not going to contradict everything I've said up to this point about the Rowand for Thome trade. It was the right move. However, one wonders at the subtle changes in clubhouse chemistry that the trade caused.

It seems to me that the Three Stooges were an integral part of last year's clubhouse chemistry. (After all it was the Stooges who adopted that wretched Journey song as the team's anthem.) There was none of that this year after the Rowand trade broke up the Stooges.

Was such a shift in chemistry enough to change the complexion of the team that much? Who knows, but when a team underperforms this badly, you can't discount anything.

I'm still of the opinion, though, that the main problem is that compared to last year, the pitching sucked.

this might be the year that makes kenny realize that a bullpen is more important than $40 million worth of average starters. garland earned his, but that's about it.

Suburbanbuddha
09-18-2006, 11:33 PM
Nice triple play - so what
#40 for Thome - so what
#1 for Fields - ?

The sad thing is the feeling that this team did not want to win as much as we wanted them to.:angry: I know it's completely selfish and stupid of me, but I feel cheated.

I'll be pulling for Frank to make some noise in the postseason, though I don't much care who wins. As long as it's not the Twins - I HATE THEM at every level of baseball right down to my son's little league. Ah well, on to hockey and football.

ok done venting

Jjav829
09-18-2006, 11:33 PM
It's funny when you look back at things. I'm not going to contradict everything I've said up to this point about the Rowand for Thome trade. It was the right move. However, one wonders at the subtle changes in clubhouse chemistry that the trade caused.

It seems to me that the Three Stooges were an integral part of last year's clubhouse chemistry. (After all it was the Stooges who adopted that wretched Journey song as the team's anthem.) There was none of that this year after the Rowand trade broke up the Stooges.

Was such a shift in chemistry enough to change the complexion of the team that much? Who knows, but when a team underperforms this badly, you can't discount anything.

I'm still of the opinion, though, that the main problem is that compared to last year, the pitching sucked.

I don't think you're completely off. I think chemistry is part of it. The main problem with this team this year was a lack of quality pitching. But there were also a lot of other things that I think contributed to this team playing poorly.

It's like Konerko and several other plays said said before the season. Last year's team clicked. There was no guarantee this year's team would have clicked with the same players. This year's team didn't really seem to click as a team, not just on the field but off the field as well.

TornLabrum
09-18-2006, 11:34 PM
Interesting theory, but I think if the pitching had been better they might have been able to find another stooge.

Hence, the last sentence/paragraph.

3rdgensoxfan
09-18-2006, 11:35 PM
My dad's from Michigan, I guess I can root for the Tigers in the playoffs. It would be nice to see the WS champ come from the central two years in a row.

Let's get some speed for next year, a good lead off hitter... That seems to make a world of difference. And let the pitchers get some rest this off season.

At least Roger Bossard can replace the sod now...

whitesoxfan
09-18-2006, 11:36 PM
Play the kids, who actually care, and we may be able to get back in it.

Face it, the Twins and Tiggers just want it more than us.

TornLabrum
09-18-2006, 11:36 PM
Anyone need two for Saturday's game?:(:

As a franchise...we're not very good at the whole "repeating" thing. See 1960, 1984, 1994 (:angry: ), 2001 and now 2006.

See also 1902, 1907, 1918, 1920, and 1960.

SABRSox
09-18-2006, 11:37 PM
That happens only if Ozzie trots out every rookie. They're the only ones playing like they've got something to prove.

TomBradley72
09-18-2006, 11:37 PM
It's funny when you look back at things. I'm not going to contradict everything I've said up to this point about the Rowand for Thome trade. It was the right move. However, one wonders at the subtle changes in clubhouse chemistry that the trade caused.

It seems to me that the Three Stooges were an integral part of last year's clubhouse chemistry. (After all it was the Stooges who adopted that wretched Journey song as the team's anthem.) There was none of that this year after the Rowand trade broke up the Stooges.

Was such a shift in chemistry enough to change the complexion of the team that much? Who knows, but when a team underperforms this badly, you can't discount anything.

I'm still of the opinion, though, that the main problem is that compared to last year, the pitching sucked.

I agree. I've been posting for weeks that it's al all about the pitching..and it probably was. But most championship teams have one "scrapper" that is the heart of the team...we had no one like that on this year's roster.

Deuce
09-18-2006, 11:38 PM
We are done. I wish it was not true, but it is. We had our opportunities, and we threw them away. Time to work on making next year's team a winner.

Deuce

wdelaney72
09-18-2006, 11:38 PM
I'm still of the opinion, though, that the main problem is that compared to last year, the pitching sucked.

As bad as Ozzie, Podsednik, and some others have been, they all fall in line behind this.

Corlose 15
09-18-2006, 11:38 PM
Does watching this feel like putting a sick dog to sleep to anyone else? I have to say though that if the Sox hadn't won the WS last year this rather large collapse would have me A LOT more pissed off. Not that I'm not pissed off, but the fact that I've seen them win the WS helps.

Well, I think the problem lies in inconsistent pitching and a one dimensional offense. I expect Kenny to address both in the offseason.

Someone to take heart in again though is the Sox will be good again next year. They're still going to make this organization a perennial contender.

That makes 4 paper championships in 5 years! WOOHOO!

eurotrash35
09-18-2006, 11:39 PM
don't forget to turn the lights out and lock the door when you leave, kid.

buehrle4cy05
09-18-2006, 11:41 PM
Let's get some speed for next year, a good lead off hitter... That seems to make a world of difference. And let the pitchers get some rest this off season.


We're going to kick some serious ass next year. I fully trust that KW will make sure that everybody on the team has the desire to win. For the guys that come back that were a part of the 2005 team, they still have to create a legacy. If they continue to rest on their laurels, some will remember them more for their poor play in 2006 than their great play in 2005. The division is going to be incredibly tough next year, but that may be a good thing. Cleveland, Minnesota, and Detroit will all be over .500 at the least.

A leadoff hitter and some solid middle relief and we're set for next year. :cool:

kitekrazy
09-18-2006, 11:41 PM
:(:

Has there ever been a more hyped team that crumbled so badly?

This is a sad day.

2005 Indianapolis Colts.

Sufferin
09-18-2006, 11:41 PM
I hear a fat lady clearing her throat. I still got to see them win it all, something many people never saw.

Oh, and I also won $60 from sucker Cub fans this year. See it's not all bad!!:D:

cheeses_h_rice
09-18-2006, 11:43 PM
In a weird way, I'd almost rather the Sox finished 5-6 games out of the WC than to come up short by just a game or two. Because then I'd be obsessively dwelling on the jillions of games this year where the bullpen choked away huge leads late in the game, or the games where the Sox came barreling back only to lose by 1 run in extras.

So yeah, silver linings and all...

:whiner:

cheezheadsoxfan
09-18-2006, 11:43 PM
Hence, the last sentence/paragraph.

Sorry, should have read better for content.

peeonwrigley
09-18-2006, 11:43 PM
2005 Indianapolis Colts.

****ting your pants during a game is different than ****ting your pants over most of the season.

What a sorry bunch this turned into. I didn't even think twice about leaving after Crede's GIDP tonight. Can't believe I even stuck around that long.

I'm so disappointed in this squad I can't even quantify it.

Jjav829
09-18-2006, 11:45 PM
Does watching this feel like putting a sick dog to sleep to anyone else? I have to say though that if the Sox hadn't won the WS last year this rather large collapse would have me A LOT more pissed off. Not that I'm not pissed off, but the fact that I've seen them win the WS helps.

Well, I think the problem lies in inconsistent pitching and a one dimensional offense. I expect Kenny to address both in the offseason.

Someone to take heart in again though is the Sox will be good again next year. They're still going to make this organization a perennial contender.

That makes 4 paper championships in 5 years! WOOHOO!

It's interesting because in many ways this offseason is just like the 2004 offseason in some of the issues we're looking at. We're almost back where we started.

Similarities:
- Starting pitching that looks good on paper but fails to deliver on the field (Remember the "Big 3" of Buehrle, Garcia and Loaiza? Now it's Buehrle, Contreras and Garland)
- Offense reliant on the Home Run (Dye-Konerko-Thome-Crede now as opposed to Frank-Maggs-Lee-Konerko)
- Lack of a quality leadoff hitter (Pods now, Willie Harris then)
- Inconsistent relief pitching.

We saw what Kenny did in that offseason. I wonder if this offseason will be similar to that offseason.

jenn2080
09-18-2006, 11:46 PM
4.5 - today
3.5 - tomorrow
2.5 - wednesday
1.5 - thursday
2.5 - friday
1.5 - saturday
0.5 - sunday
take the lead after beating the Indians on 9/25 & hold it for the twins series, then kick their ass.


tell the fat lady to have a seat, it still ain't over.


I like your optimism, but that would mean that they would have to go out there and actually play a game and the Tigers and Twins would have to lose from here on out. That is not going to happen.

batmanZoSo
09-18-2006, 11:46 PM
I predict everyone has a good time.

Cept us.

100 Year Itch
09-18-2006, 11:46 PM
"The Truth" was right.

Everett: Sox don't have it anymore: Sees no leadership, third-place

"Being me and being honest, I'm going to say no, they can't repeat," Everett said. "They are not going to have the same chemistry. A lot of the chemistry in that clubhouse is gone. [Aaron] Rowand, myself, even Willie [Harris] and Frank. We all had a presence in there, and now the new guys will have to fit in.


"If you look at the last six world championships, it hasn't been the most talented team. It's the team that plays together. So they know each other, they sacrifice themselves for the other player. You separated a lot of that. You can't win games on paper."


http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4155/is_20060310/ai_n16145232

Brian26
09-18-2006, 11:47 PM
Given last season and the way things have unraveled in the second half I won't be watching any post season baseball.

I'm sorry but seeing the Minnesota Twins in the post season for the 4th time in five years turns my stomach and gets me ill.

Regarding 'hyped' teams, I give the club credit for at least having a winning season but that's all. Outside of that they are just like the 1995, 1984, 1973 and 1968 teams that were pegged as 'can't miss' by much of the baseball world only somehow did.

Lip

I always watch postseason baseball because I love baseball. If I boycotted postseason games when the Sox weren't on, think of all the great games I would have missed. I understand what you're saying though. It will hurt to see other teams involved.

I have no problem with the Twins this year. They are overachieving guys that play the game the right way. Other than Torii and Rincon, I don't really hate anybody on the team. Tip your cap.

One last point- this 2006 season is nowhere near 1995 or 1984. Those team were abyssmal. This team is still 18 or 19 games over .500. It's been a good season. The end is disappointing, but it can't be considered a failure of the magnitude of those other years. The luck of the draw put the Sox in the best division in baseball.

CHISOXFAN13
09-18-2006, 11:47 PM
4.5 - today
3.5 - tomorrow
2.5 - wednesday
1.5 - thursday
2.5 - friday
1.5 - saturday
0.5 - sunday
take the lead after beating the Indians on 9/25 & hold it for the twins series, then kick their ass.


tell the fat lady to have a seat, it still ain't over.

So the Twins are going to lose consecutive starts by Santana? Wow.

TornLabrum
09-18-2006, 11:48 PM
I just thought of one bright side to all of this. I have a strange feeling that the Sox are going to be hard-pressed to get rid of all their weekend SoxFest passes with two-night hotel reservations. We may see some of those for sale in a couple of months. But then again, maybe the fans will still be thinking about 2005 when they come to SoxFest 2007.

This is one marketing strategy I'd love to see blow up in the Sox' collective face.

whitesoxfan
09-18-2006, 11:48 PM
I consider myself an optimist, but I don't see it happening.

If they somehow do make the playoffs, change my username until Opening Day 2007 to PodsFan22.

Brian26
09-18-2006, 11:48 PM
I was talking to the attendant at a gas station in DeKalb today ($2.379/gal), who had tickets in row 15 behind the plate for tomorrow night. Based on what he said to me this afternoon, you're not the only one saying that.

Dekalb? If he starts driving right now, he might make it into the city by the 2nd inning tomorrow. :D:

kitekrazy
09-18-2006, 11:48 PM
My solutions: Pull the trigger on the Michael Young/Garcia trade. Young is 2nd in the AL in batting average w/RISP. Trade Uribe for a 2nd tier corner outfielder to hold down the fort until Fields is ready. Get some relief help and move McCarthy to the rotation. Shop Vasquez for another starter.

Yep, we just can't have enough hitters. The fantasy approach is great.

Something that seems to elude most fans is the current starters don't miss many starts.

We have no idea what other GMs are willing to offer.

eurotrash35
09-18-2006, 11:49 PM
another bright side. they can start the green seat installation a month earlier too. :tongue:

kidmccarthy
09-18-2006, 11:49 PM
2005=Greatest season of Baseball in Chicago History!

2006=Greatest hype of Baseball in Chicago History!

2005>2006

Brian26
09-18-2006, 11:50 PM
What a disgraceful performance. Hopefully we get to see some Fields and some Owens in the next couple weeks.

The Fields homer was the highlight of the night. That was pretty special. The rest of the night felt eerily similar to the night Torii Hunter ran over Jamie Burke in '04.

oscars gamble
09-18-2006, 11:50 PM
Two events in this game did well to sum up the season:

1.) Mack booting the routine fly ball.

2.) Thome's solo shot in the eighth; it felt so "hollow", as in too little, too late.

I think even the Sox players think they're done now. The air is out of the balloon, the pressure is off -- which probably means they start playing looser and up to their potential. Unfortunately it will likely be too little, too late.

Just got back from the game. The Thome solo shot was so predictable because he seems to hit the homeruns when it does not matter. I got home tonight and looked up his homeruns this year. Here are the results

Solo homeruns 19
2 run homerun 17
3 run homerun 3
grandslams 1

Pretty telling.

I am so frustrated with this team, UGH!

Oblong
09-18-2006, 11:52 PM
Hang your heads high Sox Fans. The sorrow you are feeling right now because you think the Sox are out of the playoffs is the very reason why baseball is the great sport it is-and the reason why 2005 was as special as it was. It's hard to win the championship in baseball. It's not hockey or basketball where most teams get into the playoffs. You must have a great regular season, with some breaks, and continue that into the post season.

I'm not 100% sure it's over anyway. You can still catch MN.

KW is a good GM and the team's got enough of a core to stay around.

Cheer up. Get out your tapes or DVDs of last year and enjoy it. The guys are still around. Losing makes winning that much sweeter. This is a great game. To truly enjoy the peaks you have to experience the valleys. The great teams don't stay there long and I think this year has shown that the AL Central is the best division in baseball and has the foundation to stay that way for a long time.

But I'm still rooting for you. I despise MN.

Brian26
09-18-2006, 11:53 PM
I hope everyone has finally learned the lesson that you can't look at a roster in April and proclaim it as "The Best Team in Baseball".

The "Best Team in Baseball" is determined by who plays the best as a team on the field, not who looks best on a piece of paper.

This is not the lesson to be learned. If you rewind to mid June, the Sox were the best team in baseball. Jay Payton, after the Sox swept Oakland at home, said in the papers that that's (the Sox) the best team in baseball.

The lesson to be learned in that the "best team in baseball" has to play all 162 games. You don't win any awards for being the best team up until the All-Star Break.

kitekrazy
09-18-2006, 11:53 PM
I hope everyone has finally learned the lesson that you can't look at a roster in April and proclaim it as "The Best Team in Baseball"..

Good point. I remember looking at the 2005 Sox and saying maybe 2nd place at best.

JB98
09-18-2006, 11:54 PM
Just got back from the game. The Thome solo shot was so predictable because he seems to hit the homeruns when it does not matter. I got home tonight and looked up his homeruns this year. Here are the results

Solo homeruns 19
2 run homerun 17
3 run homerun 3
grandslams 1

Pretty telling.

I am so frustrated with this team, UGH!

Honestly, that doesn't tell me much of anything.

cheezheadsoxfan
09-18-2006, 11:55 PM
I've got tickets for Thursday and I'm still going. Hopefully get a look at Fields and some other kids. Maybe some 2005 Championship stuff on sale.

ChiSoxGirl
09-18-2006, 11:55 PM
Wow. Before I left for Parent Night at my school tonight, I told my parents that if the Sox don't sweep, I'm going on record as believing the season is over; the nail was put into the coffin tonight. There's just so much running through my mind right now. I'm feeling nostalgic, longing for that feeling we all had last September; afterall, we're approaching the one year anniversary of "Clutch" Crede's homerun that eventually turned the season around. I'm feeling very sad, let down, and there's a level of disappointment in me I haven't experienced as a Sox fan in a long time.

About an hour ago, I had a conversation with a good friend and we were discussing the debacle that has become the 2006 White Sox. The topic of watching playoff baseball came up and I automatically said I'd watch as many playoff games as I could. In the past hour, I feel like I have to retract that statement. I read so many posts in this thread tonight and so many of them just evoked so much sadness in me that I honestly don't know if I can watch playoff baseball this year. Sure, it was easy in years past when we didn't know what winning playoff baseball was all about as Sox fans; we didn't know what we were missing. 2005 changed everything. We now know what we'll be missing and knowing we won't be a part of it, will make the wounds all that more painful.

With an insurmountable deficit staring Sox fans in the face, I know it's just a matter of time before the Cub fans start in with us. And when a specific one starts picking on me, I already know what I'm going to say to her. I'll admit that this was a disappointing season, but will also remind her that I was at least around the last time the Sox won the World Series. Not only was she not around when the Cubs won it all, but neither were here parents or grandparents! I'll also say something to her that I definitely believe and that will keep me going through this sad time- despite what happened this season, no one and nothing can take away the memories and magic of 2005. We'll always have our DVDs that remind us all of going Wire-to-Wire, and 11-1 in the post-season.

Thank you, White Sox for the fun moments of 2006- Opening Night; the Ring Ceremony; A.J.'s homerun against the Cubs; Podsednik's, Crede's and Iguchi's, grand slams against Houston, and others. But sadly, those moments just weren't enough. :whiner:

kitekrazy
09-18-2006, 11:56 PM
Agreed.

I never lost hope last year while the Sox slid towards what seemed like certain doom.

I guess the lesson in that is win as many games as possible in the early months and beat the teams you are suppose. They just didn't take care of the beatable teams the 2nd half.

Brian26
09-18-2006, 11:57 PM
Anyone need two for Saturday's game?:(:


Hop off that bandwagon. Good job.

BA: The Hitman
09-18-2006, 11:57 PM
Man, what a depressing night, you'd think maybe there would be a glimmer of hope with 7 straight games at home, but no, 2 runs right off the bat in the top of the first. Definitely leaning towards staying home and watching the bears instead of going to the game on sunday. If anyone is interested in a couple seats in the upper deck, let me know.

cheeses_h_rice
09-18-2006, 11:58 PM
Just got back from the game. The Thome solo shot was so predictable because he seems to hit the homeruns when it does not matter. I got home tonight and looked up his homeruns this year. Here are the results

Solo homeruns 19
2 run homerun 17
3 run homerun 3
grandslams 1

Pretty telling.

I am so frustrated with this team, UGH!

I think it's more of a case of Thome having a great first half and then a mediocre second half.

Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

(Also, rumor has it that Thome's wrist has been killing him a lot lately.)

LuvSox
09-18-2006, 11:58 PM
Hop off that bandwagon. Good job.


potw :thumbsup:

kitekrazy
09-18-2006, 11:59 PM
It's funny when you look back at things. I'm not going to contradict everything I've said up to this point about the Rowand for Thome trade. It was the right move. However, one wonders at the subtle changes in clubhouse chemistry that the trade caused.

It seems to me that the Three Stooges were an integral part of last year's clubhouse chemistry. (After all it was the Stooges who adopted that wretched Journey song as the team's anthem.) There was none of that this year after the Rowand trade broke up the Stooges.

Was such a shift in chemistry enough to change the complexion of the team that much? Who knows, but when a team underperforms this badly, you can't discount anything.

I'm still of the opinion, though, that the main problem is that compared to last year, the pitching sucked.

It brought back station to station baseball. I guess a year off from that was too much.

0o0o0
09-19-2006, 12:00 AM
I despise MN.

:thumbsup: Good to hear.

Assuming there's no miracle on 35th, I'm rooting for Detroit by default. :tongue:

JohnBasedowYoda
09-19-2006, 12:00 AM
I just hope we don't have a mass-abandonment next year and a ton of season ticket holders drop.

LuvSox
09-19-2006, 12:01 AM
I just hope we don't have a mass-abandonment next year and a ton of season ticket holders drop.

Be prepared for that.

BA: The Hitman
09-19-2006, 12:02 AM
I just hope we don't have a mass-abandonment next year and a ton of season ticket holders drop.

There will be a huge drop, it wont be as bad as it used to be, but it should be expected.

eurotrash35
09-19-2006, 12:04 AM
Be prepared for that.

I don't know. I think there will be a lot of excitement for next season. A lot of people got their first taste of sox baseball this year and there was a lot of good baseball at the cell up until July and August. There's no banner for this year but interest shouldn't taper off as much as some are fearing.

CHISOXFAN13
09-19-2006, 12:05 AM
There will be a huge drop, it wont be as bad as it used to be, but it should be expected.

Not with as much money as current ST holders had to put down for playoff tickets.

That waiting list is pretty damn long from what I hear, and I'm sure there are some die-hard fans on there who would love to get their hands on season tickets.

And who the hell knows what the offseason will bring.

CLR01
09-19-2006, 12:06 AM
Just got back from the game. The Thome solo shot was so predictable because he seems to hit the homeruns when it does not matter. I got home tonight and looked up his homeruns this year. Here are the results

Solo homeruns 19
2 run homerun 17
3 run homerun 3
grandslams 1

Pretty telling.

I am so frustrated with this team, UGH!


Solo-21
1 on-13
2 on- 8
GS- 0


Those aren't much better. Care to guess who they belong to?

Jerko
09-19-2006, 12:07 AM
Well, I was holding out hope after a sweep of the Tigers, but really, if this is it, I have a few things to get off my chest. During a playoff chase:

1. I still see Mack in center:angry:
2. I still see these absurd lefty righty matchups that just bore thru an already iffy bullpen like acid thru a styrofoam cup.:angry:
3. I still see 6 different lineups a week:angry:
4. I still see the 8 and 9 hitter from other teams kill us
5. I still see the other team score right after we do:angry:
6. I still see double plays up the wazoo:angry:
7. I still see people get thrown out at home, continually, by what seems like 35 feet.:angry:

Now, a few times is one thing, but all 7 of those events have been happening either ALL SEASON, or at least since July. That's why I didn't think they were gonna make it this year. Same **** that isn't, and hasn't, been working, still keeps happening. Personally I think the writing was on the wall when they lost that Sunday game to Cleveland while Minnesota was playing Detroit. Oh well, let's regroup, and I fully expect to not have to worry about Detroit OR Minnesota in 07.

kitekrazy
09-19-2006, 12:08 AM
One last point- this 2006 season is nowhere near 1995 or 1984. Those team were abyssmal. This team is still 18 or 19 games over .500. It's been a good season. The end is disappointing, but it can't be considered a failure of the magnitude of those other years. The luck of the draw put the Sox in the best division in baseball.

Excellent point. This was a brutal division. If the Sox win 90 games how often is it there are 3 teams to do that in one division?

eurotrash35
09-19-2006, 12:08 AM
Solo-21
1 on-13
2 on- 8
GS- 0


Those aren't much better. Care to guess who they belong to?

you can't hit more than a solo shot when the lumbering oaf batting in front of you is killing innings like the terminator though.

cheeses_h_rice
09-19-2006, 12:09 AM
Solo-21
1 on-13
2 on- 8
GS- 0


Those aren't much better. Care to guess who they belong to?

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/David-Ortiz---Celebrates-14th-Inning-Game-Winning-RBI---Game-5-2004-ALCS-Photograph-C10201730.jpeg ?

cheezheadsoxfan
09-19-2006, 12:09 AM
I don't know. I think there will be a lot of excitement for next season. A lot of people got their first taste of sox baseball this year and there was a lot of good baseball at the cell up until July and August. There's no banner for this year but interest shouldn't taper off as much as some are fearing.

I agree. I think once you get to feel like we did last year, hope is going to keep you around for a while. Hell, it held me since '59 and we didn't get the championship even.

JB98
09-19-2006, 12:09 AM
Solo-21
1 on-13
2 on- 8
GS- 0


Those aren't much better. Care to guess who they belong to?

Dye.

Myrtle72
09-19-2006, 12:10 AM
Assuming there's no miracle on 35th, I'm rooting for Detroit by default. :tongue:

Agreed. I like Detroit waaaay more than I like the Twins.

Edit: Well, maybe I should rephrase that. I dislike Detroit much less than I dislike the Twins.

TheDarkGundam
09-19-2006, 12:10 AM
Another turning point, a fork stuck in the road
Time grabs you by the wrist, directs you where to go
So make the best of this test, and don't ask why
It's not a question, but a lesson learned in time

It's something unpredictable, but in the end it's right.
I hope you had the time of your life.

So take the photographs, and still frames in your mind
Hang it on a shelf in good health and good time
Tattoos of memories and dead skin on trial
For what it's worth it was worth all the while

It's something unpredictable, but in the end it's right.
I hope you had the time of your life.

It's something unpredictable, but in the end it's right.
I hope you had the time of your life.

It's something unpredictable, but in the end it's right.
I hope you had the time of your life.


(I'm gonna be real upset if someone beat me to this...they didn't did they?)

JB98
09-19-2006, 12:11 AM
It brought back station to station baseball. I guess a year off from that was too much.

No, the inability of the top of our batting order to get on base brought back station-to-station baseball.

jenn2080
09-19-2006, 12:11 AM
With an insurmountable deficit staring Sox fans in the face, I know it's just a matter of time before the Cub fans start in with us. And when a specific one starts picking on me, I already know what I'm going to say to her. I'll admit that this was a disappointing season, but will also remind her that I was at least around the last time the Sox won the World Series. Not only was she not around when the Cubs won it all, but neither were here parents or grandparents! I'll also say something to her that I definitely believe and that will keep me going through this sad time- despite what happened this season, no one and nothing can take away the memories and magic of 2005. We'll always have our DVDs that remind us all of going Wire-to-Wire, and 11-1 in the post-season.

Thank you, White Sox for the fun moments of 2006- Opening Night; the Ring Ceremony; A.J.'s homerun against the Cubs; Podsednik's, Crede's and Iguchi's, grand slams against Houston, and others. But sadly, those moments just weren't enough. :whiner:


The Cubs fans are completely irrelievant. Who cares what they have to say. They have had nothing and for that they should not matter.

JB98
09-19-2006, 12:12 AM
I think it's more of a case of Thome having a great first half and then a mediocre second half.

Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

(Also, rumor has it that Thome's wrist has been killing him a lot lately.)

He can't pull the ball with any authority. Even his HRs in the second half have been to the opposite field. That suggests to me the wrist is a problem.

Myrtle72
09-19-2006, 12:12 AM
Another turning point, a fork stuck in the road
Time grabs you by the wrist, directs you where to go
So make the best of this test, and don't ask why
It's not a question, but a lesson learned in time

It's something unpredictable, but in the end it's right.
I hope you had the time of your life.

So take the photographs, and still frames in your mind
Hang it on a shelf in good health and good time
Tattoos of memories and dead skin on trial
For what it's worth it was worth all the while

It's something unpredictable, but in the end it's right.
I hope you had the time of your life.

It's something unpredictable, but in the end it's right.
I hope you had the time of your life.

It's something unpredictable, but in the end it's right.
I hope you had the time of your life.


(I'm gonna be real upset if someone beat me to this...they didn't did they?)


That song makes me so sad.

(and no, I don't think so.)

cws05champ
09-19-2006, 12:12 AM
In the last two weeks I have gone from getting pissed at the Sox games to just laughing tonight(in disbelief), knowing what is coming and feeling helpless to do anything or even being able to change the channel...clinging to the last sliver of hope that they would score 5 in the 9th. In the 9th after McCarthy was not getting the calls and and gave up the 1st single I pleaded with the TV to take him out...then the single again, and as predicted by me standing in my kitchen...a HR. :whiner: :angry:

I'll cherish the 2005 season always, and hope we remain competative in years to come! All I can do now is.... :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: :gulp: Cheers everyone!

kitekrazy
09-19-2006, 12:12 AM
I just hope we don't have a mass-abandonment next year and a ton of season ticket holders drop.

Only if there is a fire sale.

MrX
09-19-2006, 12:14 AM
Just got back from the game. The Thome solo shot was so predictable because he seems to hit the homeruns when it does not matter. I got home tonight and looked up his homeruns this year. Here are the results

Solo homeruns 19
2 run homerun 17
3 run homerun 3
grandslams 1

Pretty telling.

I am so frustrated with this team, UGH!
He's been in the 3 hole most of the year year with Uribe, BA, Pods, and Gooch in front of him.

He needs people on base to hit more than a solo shot.

BA: The Hitman
09-19-2006, 12:14 AM
He can't pull the ball with any authority. Even his HRs in the second half have been to the opposite field. That suggests to me the wrist is a problem.

Well if that is the problem, give some of these young guys some at bats and hopefully Thome can get that wrist healthy for next season

ChiSoxGirl
09-19-2006, 12:14 AM
The Cubs fans are completely irrelievant. Who cares what they have to say. They have had nothing and for that they should not matter.

I wasn't implying that they matter. I know it doesn't matter- I've said that since last October- but we have to know it's probably coming from at least some of them.

Regardless, I didn't write what I did to start a discussion about whether or not they're relevant or not. It's simply something that was in the back of my mind when I was posting.

0o0o0
09-19-2006, 12:15 AM
Oh well, let's regroup, and I fully expect to not have to worry about Detroit OR Minnesota in 07.

I don't see the Twins getting any worse. Detroit? Eh, they won't have that "magic" again next season. And who knows what Cleveland's deal is. All in all, 2007 should be exciting and hopefully easier to watch. :cool:

BA: The Hitman
09-19-2006, 12:15 AM
Only if there is a fire sale.


There better not be a fire sale, not with the attendance we had this year.

DumpJerry
09-19-2006, 12:15 AM
To add insult to injury:
the box scores on ESPN.com and Foxsports.com do not credit the triple play.

CLR01
09-19-2006, 12:17 AM
you can't hit more than a solo shot when the lumbering oaf batting in front of you is killing innings like the terminator though.

Sorry that excuse doesn't pass the bull**** test.

Chances.

Dye
0 on- 252
1 on-163
2 on-86
Juice-5

Thome
0 on- 235
1 on- 169
2 on- 46
Juiced-7

Foulke You
09-19-2006, 12:17 AM
Hang your heads high Sox Fans. The sorrow you are feeling right now because you think the Sox are out of the playoffs is the very reason why baseball is the great sport it is-and the reason why 2005 was as special as it was. It's hard to win the championship in baseball. It's not hockey or basketball where most teams get into the playoffs. You must have a great regular season, with some breaks, and continue that into the post season.

I'm not 100% sure it's over anyway. You can still catch MN.

KW is a good GM and the team's got enough of a core to stay around.

Cheer up. Get out your tapes or DVDs of last year and enjoy it. The guys are still around. Losing makes winning that much sweeter. This is a great game. To truly enjoy the peaks you have to experience the valleys. The great teams don't stay there long and I think this year has shown that the AL Central is the best division in baseball and has the foundation to stay that way for a long time.

But I'm still rooting for you. I despise MN.
Thanks for the kind words. I'll be pulling for the Tigers in the playoffs. (Although my feelings will be mixed if you go up against Frank) Your season has been very similar to the '05 Sox. So much in fact that it would not surprise me to see the Tigers steamroll in the playoffs in similar fashion. Kenny Rogers is impressing the hell out of me with his longevity this season and Zumaya/Rodney/Jones will help a lot in those heart attack 1 run playoff games. Monroe is a stud and Maggs looks like he is getting locked in. I'm sure the national media will pick you guys to get swept but I'm not going to buy it, I think the Tigers have a great shot of winning it all. Whatever happens though, DO NOT LOSE to the Twins or Yankees. The thought of Derek Jeter, Torii Hunter, or Justin Morneau's arrogant smugs in the World Series makes my stomach turn.

As Hawk would say, when you think you have it all figured out, sometimes this game just humbles you. We just didn't have it this year. However, you are correct, I'll always have this flag flying in front of my house:
http://www.baseballflagsandpennants.com/images_products/8711_big.gif

and we'll always have this to cheer us up when we vomit at the site of the Metrodome in the '06 ALDS:

http://www.annecarlini.com/images/exclusive/dvds/DVD-WorldS05.jpg

Jerko
09-19-2006, 12:18 AM
The Cubs fans are completely irrelievant. Who cares what they have to say. They have had nothing and for that they should not matter.

I agree. I'm pissed off enough about the probable outcome of this season to give a rat's ass of what those losers think. I was gonna say they were the last thing on my mind, but honestly, what Cub fans think never crossed my mind. Between the love I have for the Sox, mixed in with the anger and disgust of their recent play, I don't have enough emotion left to bother with them.

kitekrazy
09-19-2006, 12:18 AM
There better not be a fire sale, not with the attendance we had this year.

Just be thankful Bill Wirtz doesn't own the team. They'd be trading anyone for draft choices and prospects you'll never see.

0o0o0
09-19-2006, 12:19 AM
To add insult to injury:
the box scores on ESPN.com and Foxsports.com do not credit the triple play.

:roflmao:I don't know why that's so funny but it is.

DumpJerry
09-19-2006, 12:19 AM
Wow. Before I left for Parent Night at my school tonight, I told my parents that if the Sox don't sweep, I'm going on record as believing the season is over; the nail was put into the coffin tonight. There's just so much running through my mind right now. I'm feeling nostalgic, longing for that feeling we all had last September; afterall, we're approaching the one year anniversary of "Clutch" Crede's homerun that eventually turned the season around. I'm feeling very sad, let down, and there's a level of disappointment in me I haven't experienced as a Sox fan in a long time.

About an hour ago, I had a conversation with a good friend and we were discussing the debacle that has become the 2006 White Sox. The topic of watching playoff baseball came up and I automatically said I'd watch as many playoff games as I could. In the past hour, I feel like I have to retract that statement. I read so many posts in this thread tonight and so many of them just evoked so much sadness in me that I honestly don't know if I can watch playoff baseball this year. Sure, it was easy in years past when we didn't know what winning playoff baseball was all about as Sox fans; we didn't know what we were missing. 2005 changed everything. We now know what we'll be missing and knowing we won't be a part of it, will make the wounds all that more painful.

With an insurmountable deficit staring Sox fans in the face, I know it's just a matter of time before the Cub fans start in with us. And when a specific one starts picking on me, I already know what I'm going to say to her. I'll admit that this was a disappointing season, but will also remind her that I was at least around the last time the Sox won the World Series. Not only was she not around when the Cubs won it all, but neither were here parents or grandparents! I'll also say something to her that I definitely believe and that will keep me going through this sad time- despite what happened this season, no one and nothing can take away the memories and magic of 2005. We'll always have our DVDs that remind us all of going Wire-to-Wire, and 11-1 in the post-season.

Thank you, White Sox for the fun moments of 2006- Opening Night; the Ring Ceremony; A.J.'s homerun against the Cubs; Podsednik's, Crede's and Iguchi's, grand slams against Houston, and others. But sadly, those moments just weren't enough. :whiner:
Cub fans are forever afraid to talk **** with me. I start smiling like I did last October and say "I'm sorry, what did you say?" That usually shuts them up. if they keep talking, I just smile and start reminiscing about last October.

The most ignorant of them get three words from me: "kiss my ring!"

JUribe1989
09-19-2006, 12:19 AM
We can still finish strong. Let's sweep the final home series against Seattle. It's very doable and would be a great way for the players to play hard for us to show their appreciation for all the fan support this year. The first half was great, some changes need to be made in the offseason, but I can't wait to watch the Twins and Tigers early exits in their meaningless playoff trips. :D:

cheezheadsoxfan
09-19-2006, 12:19 AM
Edit: Well, maybe I should rephrase that. I dislike Detroit much less than I dislike the Twins.

Good save.:smile:

kitekrazy
09-19-2006, 12:21 AM
Cub fans are forever afraid to talk **** with me. I start smiling like I did last October and say "I'm sorry, what did you say?" That usually shuts them up. if they keep talking, I just smile and start reminiscing about last October.

The most ignorant of them get three words from me: "kiss my ring!"

They also got Hendry as the GM. He might be the Matt Millen of baseball.

Jerko
09-19-2006, 12:22 AM
I don't see the Twins getting any worse. Detroit? Eh, they won't have that "magic" again next season. And who knows what Cleveland's deal is. All in all, 2007 should be exciting and hopefully easier to watch. :cool:

Well, if they get Liriano back at full strenth, they'll be tough for sure. However, I can't see the Puntos, Cuddyers, Tyners, and Bartletts of the world duplicating this year's numbers. Morneau and Mauer are great young players, but if the rest of those guys come down to earth, they'll be average. If not, well, kudos to them and we'll have to take em on.

BA: The Hitman
09-19-2006, 12:22 AM
They also got Hendry as the GM. He might be the Matt Millen of baseball.


Ha, I never thought of that one, but it sounds so true.

cheezheadsoxfan
09-19-2006, 12:23 AM
I wasn't implying that they matter. I know it doesn't matter- I've said that since last October- but we have to know it's probably coming from at least some of them.

Regardless, I didn't write what I did to start a discussion about whether or not they're relevant or not. It's simply something that was in the back of my mind when I was posting.

There is something called the short serenity prayer: **** em.

CLR01
09-19-2006, 12:24 AM
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/David-Ortiz---Celebrates-14th-Inning-Game-Winning-RBI---Game-5-2004-ALCS-Photograph-C10201730.jpeg ?


No.

Dye.

Yes. MVP :(:

cheezheadsoxfan
09-19-2006, 12:25 AM
I don't see the Twins getting any worse. Detroit? Eh, they won't have that "magic" again next season. And who knows what Cleveland's deal is. All in all, 2007 should be exciting and hopefully easier to watch. :cool:

A lot of people said the Tigers are like we were last year, so lets hope that next year they play like we did this year. (I think I gave myself a headache.)

cheezheadsoxfan
09-19-2006, 12:27 AM
To add insult to injury:
the box scores on ESPN.com and Foxsports.com do not credit the triple play.

No surprise there.:mad:

BadBobbyJenks
09-19-2006, 12:29 AM
4.5 - today
3.5 - tomorrow
2.5 - wednesday
1.5 - thursday
2.5 - friday
1.5 - saturday
0.5 - sunday
take the lead after beating the Indians on 9/25 & hold it for the twins series, then kick their ass.


tell the fat lady to have a seat, it still ain't over.


I used to drink the same kool aid

Rdubb4
09-19-2006, 12:32 AM
I used to drink the same kool aid

People have been claiming the same stuff as the original poster for the better part of the second half of the season. I dont see it happening.

jdm2662
09-19-2006, 12:32 AM
I have to admit, I did not watch the game tonight. In fact, the TV has been off since 6:30. I've been doing homework and laundry all night. I said if the Sox didn't take the series with the A's, they were done. After tonight, there is no doubt it's over.

Unlike in 2003 where I was really pissed off, I'm not really upset. The World Series win last year had a lot to do with it. No longer do I get to say, I will never see them win a World Series. Also, last year really stressed me out. The games were very intense, and the fact the Sox were close of letting a big lead in the division slip away. The stress was down right brutal. I vowed not to go through that again. This year I took the approach where I was still going to support them, go to as many games as I can, but not getting too emotionally attached. Sports are entertainment, and you can't control the outcome.

I will say this. Despite them not going back to the playoffs, the White Sox still gave me something special this year. Two Sox fans decided to hook up for a game. They chose the 7-4 game. Sure enough, the two find out they have a lot in common. They decide to go out again and again, and the rest is history. Both of these Sox fans have been down terrible roads in terms of dating, but it looks like it has ended. Well, that happened to me. The 2005 season gave me a joy with a World Series win. It ended many years of disappointment and anger. Of course, while you can look back and cherish it forever, you can't really experience it again. The 2006 season brought me a very special girl, and many years of fustration, depression, and flat out aggervation ended. The way things were going, I never thought these two events would happen, but they did. Depsite there being no White Sox in the playoffs, they still gave me something this year. I will always be thankful for that.

http://myspace-671.vo.llnwd.net/01094/17/61/1094521671_m.jpg

We will be going to the game on Friday. We will still have a good time and enjoy the fireworks. It's too bad we couldn't experience the post season together, but it could be worse. We couldn't experience anything at all together...

TheOldRoman
09-19-2006, 12:33 AM
This is not the lesson to be learned. If you rewind to mid June, the Sox were the best team in baseball. Jay Payton, after the Sox swept Oakland at home, said in the papers that that's (the Sox) the best team in baseball.

The lesson to be learned in that the "best team in baseball" has to play all 162 games. You don't win any awards for being the best team up until the All-Star Break.
I agree 100%. The Sox were the best team in baseball. They were much better than Detroit and Minnesota. I don't want to see excuses for this team. They did not get beat this year. They underachieved, and for the last three weeks or so, they laid down. The whole years was played with the attitude of "we are the best, we will win the series again, any day now we will turn it on and go on a 10 game run." This team didn't have any fight in it. They were spineless and gutless, and they apparently didn't have any pride. The whole second half has been a constant replay of Torrrrriiiiiii Hunter decking Jamie Burke. Nobody cared enough to step up.

The fact that this team, as horrible as they have played in the second half, will win 90 games shows you how talented this team was, and how much they underachieved. I could live with losing in the playoffs, but not making the playoffs is inexcusable. I don't care how hot the Twins are or the Tigers were, the Sox should have been in the playoffs no matter what. This season was an embarrassment for the organization. They never turned it around. They never put it together, they just didn't work hard enough. Nobody pried the crown away from the Sox, they dropped it after passing out drunk.

Rdubb4
09-19-2006, 12:34 AM
Ive been in the football mindset since I really noticed the train coming off the tracks for the Sox a few weeks ago. Im not nearly as sad, or pissed off by this as I probably should be.

chisoxmike
09-19-2006, 12:37 AM
I think you guy's have alot to be proud of. In two years you've turned the franchise around. Unfortunatley the Twins and Tigers both got hot this year. It was a great summer and I have a feeling we'll be battling with each other for years to come!


Wow thanks for registering the day you ended our season.:dtroll:


**** off.

cmars1010
09-19-2006, 12:37 AM
http://www.trustyandcompany.com/_imagesfuse/manwithbagcloudsml.jpg

Tiger23
09-19-2006, 12:37 AM
I don't feel sorry for anyone on this board. You all still carry the belt.

Okay, I guess I do a bit knowing what its like to cheer on a team that just doesn't play like you think it should and want it to.

And for the record, this season is not done yet. Although a collapse by the Tigers is more than possible, I do feel confident that they will be in the playoffs, especially considering that the White Sox and the Twins play eachother the last series and both have to pass Detroit to push them out. Its my opinion that the Sox are not done as this thread claims by any means. Is it really that implausible that they win the last two against Detroit? I certainly hope not but it is very very possible.

Anyway, its been a great season either way and I wish you all the best.

DumpJerry
09-19-2006, 12:38 AM
They also got Hendry as the GM. He might be the Matt Millen of baseball.
That argument is too sophisticated for them to comprehend. Remember, we're talking Cub fans.

chisoxmike
09-19-2006, 12:39 AM
This team is a ****ing embarrassment. What a bunch of underachievers.

When do the Bulls start?

palehozenychicty
09-19-2006, 12:39 AM
Nobody pried the crown away from the Sox, they dropped it after passing out drunk.

This quote sums up the 2006 season, but I can't remember how many Met/Yankee fans I ran into on the street, saying that if the White Sox get in, that they would win again. EVERYBODY else is convinced as well, but they didn't make it happen. There is the offseason and next year, and they don't have to do a whole lot, but the changes have to be significant.

chisoxmike
09-19-2006, 12:39 AM
I don't feel sorry for anyone on this board. You all still carry the belt.

Okay, I guess I do a bit knowing what its like to cheer on a team that just doesn't play like you think it should and want it to.

And for the record, this season is not done yet. Although a collapse by the Tigers is more than possible, I do feel confident that they will be in the playoffs, especially considering that the White Sox and the Twins play eachother the last series and both have to pass Detroit to push them out. Its my opinion that the Sox are not done as this thread claims by any means. Is it really that implausible that they win the last two against Detroit? I certainly hope not but it is very very possible.

Anyway, its been a great season either way and I wish you all the best.

:dtroll:

cheezheadsoxfan
09-19-2006, 12:42 AM
I have to admit, I did not watch the game tonight. In fact, the TV has been off since 6:30. I've been doing homework and laundry all night. I said if the Sox didn't take the series with the A's, they were done. After tonight, there is no doubt it's over.

Unlike in 2003 where I was really pissed off, I'm not really upset. The World Series win last year had a lot to do with it. No longer do I get to say, I will never see them win a World Series. Also, last year really stressed me out. The games were very intense, and the fact the Sox were close of letting a big lead in the division slip away. The stress was down right brutal. I vowed not to go through that again. This year I took the approach where I was still going to support them, go to as many games as I can, but not getting too emotionally attached. Sports are entertainment, and you can't control the outcome.

I will say this. Despite them not going back to the playoffs, the White Sox still gave me something special this year. Two Sox fans decided to hook up for a game. They chose the 7-4 game. Sure enough, the two find out they have a lot in common. They decide to go out again and again, and the rest is history. Both of these Sox fans have been down terrible roads in terms of dating, but it looks like it has ended. Well, that happened to me. The 2005 season gave me a joy with a World Series win. It ended many years of disappointment and anger. Of course, while you can look back and cherish it forever, you can't really experience it again. The 2006 season brought me a very special girl, and many years of fustration, depression, and flat out aggervation ended. The way things were going, I never thought these two events would happen, but they did. Depsite there being no White Sox in the playoffs, they still gave me something this year. I will always be thankful for that.

http://myspace-671.vo.llnwd.net/01094/17/61/1094521671_m.jpg

We will be going to the game on Friday. We will still have a good time and enjoy the fireworks. It's too bad we couldn't experience the post season together, but it could be worse. We couldn't experience anything at all together...

Nice story, thanks for sharing it. All the best!

jenn2080
09-19-2006, 12:43 AM
:dtroll:


Mike this Tigers fan has actually be one of the few who has not been an *******. He has stayed away when needed and had good words and is knowledgeable. He has not come here to talk ****. He has come on this board to have good baseball talk and see where the Sox fans stood. I know his post comes at a bad time, but this person is really not trying to being a jerk even though it may come off that way.

0o0o0
09-19-2006, 12:43 AM
:dtroll:

Yeah that's really being a troll. :rolleyes:

Tiger23
09-19-2006, 12:44 AM
:dtroll:

That's me.

WinTwins
09-19-2006, 12:44 AM
While it looks pretty grim for the Sox, I'm not counting them out. I agree with the few remaining optimists that there's still a chance, and as a Twins fan, I'm hardly ready to pop the cork. Both the Twins and Tigers have have had tremendous swings this season. And 4.5 games is hardly insurmountable, despite the Sox limping to the finish line right now.

I really, really, enjoyed your great run in 2005 (I'm envious) and consider the Sox to be a fantastic rival. If the Tigers can show some staying power, and the Indians/Royals can take their game up another few levels, the Central Division will be the most entertaining division in sports for the next few years. While the Sox are slipping in 2006, I don't expect it will be lasting.

And remember, you guys are holding those coin flips!

oeo
09-19-2006, 12:44 AM
I don't feel sorry for anyone on this board. You all still carry the belt.

Okay, I guess I do a bit knowing what its like to cheer on a team that just doesn't play like you think it should and want it to.

And for the record, this season is not done yet. Although a collapse by the Tigers is more than possible, I do feel confident that they will be in the playoffs, especially considering that the White Sox and the Twins play eachother the last series and both have to pass Detroit to push them out. Its my opinion that the Sox are not done as this thread claims by any means. Is it really that implausible that they win the last two against Detroit? I certainly hope not but it is very very possible.

Anyway, its been a great season either way and I wish you all the best.

Well, enjoy the rest of the Tigers season...I'd be willing to bet that they don't even sniff the playoffs next year. If you want to talk about the 2005 Sox having career years, look no further than 2006 Tigers for even more.

Anyway...at least we know Kenny won't just sit around this offseason, there will be big changes and we'll be right back in the hunt next year. This year has been terrible.

At least the Bears and Bulls have a shot at some rings this year.

Frankly Missing
09-19-2006, 12:45 AM
Wow thanks for registering the day you ended our season.:dtroll:


**** off.

Nuttin like a White Sox fan. I hope I don't flip off any nuns, or take any candy from a baby tomorrow.

chisoxmike
09-19-2006, 12:46 AM
Mike this Tigers fan has actually be one of the few who has not been an *******. He has stayed away when needed and had good words and is knowledgeable. He has not come here to talk ****. He has come on this board to have good baseball talk and see where the Sox fans stood. I know his post comes at a bad time, but this person is really not trying to being a jerk even though it may come off that way.


Yeah, I like how they've all come out now, today, what about the one who registered TODAY and said "Oh great season, you may still get to the playoffs, blah blah blah. You have a great team blah blah blah...

Please. I dont want their sympathy.

They can go to the playoffs. Good for them. They are the better teams. The outplayed us and they wanted it more. But dont come here to say nice season when they have stuck a fork in us.

beckett21
09-19-2006, 12:47 AM
Nuttin like a White Sox fan. I hope I don't flip off any nuns, or take any candy from a baby tomorrow.

Why wait for tomorrow? The night is still young. :redneck

jenn2080
09-19-2006, 12:48 AM
Yeah, I like how they've all come out now, today, what about the one who registered TODAY and said "Oh great season, you may still get to the playoffs, blah blah blah. You have a great team blah blah blah...

Please. I dont want their sympathy.


well **** the ones that registered today. i get what you are saying but tigersfan23 and one other one has been on and has stayed in the talking baseball the whole season unless we are playing them and he has not disrespected any fan on here at least not intentionally. i agree i dont need a ****ing sypathy card. they can keep it to themselves.

Chisox003
09-19-2006, 12:50 AM
This team is a ****ing embarrassment. What a bunch of underachievers.

When do the Bulls start?
The Bears started 2 weeks ago :cool:

SoxFan78
09-19-2006, 12:50 AM
I hate to say it, but this season is over. If the Sox could not get up for a do or die series against the Tigers, then they won't do it for the rest of the year. I thought they could sweep this series, they had to sweep this series.

They didn't.

Game Over.

9/18/06- The night when I found out the Sox would not be defending their World Series title.

Its gonna be a long winter...

Tiger23
09-19-2006, 12:52 AM
Well, enjoy the rest of the Tigers season...I'd be willing to bet that they don't even sniff the playoffs next year. If you want to talk about the 2005 Sox having career years, look no further than 2006 Tigers for even more.

Anyway...at least we know Kenny won't just sit around this offseason, there will be big changes and we'll be right back in the hunt next year. This year has been terrible. At least the Bears and Bulls have a shot at some rings this year.

I completely forgot to mention in my post how tough the Central was looking next year even this early. Obviously Chicago and Minnesota will be right there with no changes. I expect Cleveland and even the Royals to improve. The only reason I have faith in the Tigers to be in the mix is because of the young pitching. Provided that the arms of Verlander, Bonderman, Zumaya and the like stay healthy, this team should be able to contend for the Central title again, and at the very least the wild card. And also remember that the Tigers will also be looking to upgrade this offseason. I expect a dogfight.

Lip Man 1
09-19-2006, 12:55 AM
"Before Thome's homer, the Sox's 3-4-5 batters were 5-for-39. The offense has hit into 17 double plays in the last 14 games."--Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune.

Emblematic of the season no?

Home run or nothing.

Lip

chisoxmike
09-19-2006, 12:55 AM
I hate to say it, but this season is over. If the Sox could not get up for a do or die series against the Tigers, then they won't do it for the rest of the year. I thought they could sweep this series, they had to sweep this series.

They didn't.

Game Over.

9/18/06- The night when I found out the Sox would not be defending their World Series title.

Its gonna be a long winter...


It's sad. Really, walking out of the park tonight was one of the saddest moments I've ever felt watching this team in my life. This is DEFINALY the most disapointing season I've ever witnessed in my short life.

DumpJerry
09-19-2006, 12:56 AM
I have to admit, I did not watch the game tonight. In fact, the TV has been off since 6:30. I've been doing homework and laundry all night. I said if the Sox didn't take the series with the A's, they were done. After tonight, there is no doubt it's over.

Unlike in 2003 where I was really pissed off, I'm not really upset. The World Series win last year had a lot to do with it. No longer do I get to say, I will never see them win a World Series. Also, last year really stressed me out. The games were very intense, and the fact the Sox were close of letting a big lead in the division slip away. The stress was down right brutal. I vowed not to go through that again. This year I took the approach where I was still going to support them, go to as many games as I can, but not getting too emotionally attached. Sports are entertainment, and you can't control the outcome.

I will say this. Despite them not going back to the playoffs, the White Sox still gave me something special this year. Two Sox fans decided to hook up for a game. They chose the 7-4 game. Sure enough, the two find out they have a lot in common. They decide to go out again and again, and the rest is history. Both of these Sox fans have been down terrible roads in terms of dating, but it looks like it has ended. Well, that happened to me. The 2005 season gave me a joy with a World Series win. It ended many years of disappointment and anger. Of course, while you can look back and cherish it forever, you can't really experience it again. The 2006 season brought me a very special girl, and many years of fustration, depression, and flat out aggervation ended. The way things were going, I never thought these two events would happen, but they did. Depsite there being no White Sox in the playoffs, they still gave me something this year. I will always be thankful for that.

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We will be going to the game on Friday. We will still have a good time and enjoy the fireworks. It's too bad we couldn't experience the post season together, but it could be worse. We couldn't experience anything at all together...
You know what? I feel sort of the same way. In past years, when the season ended, not mathematically eliminated, but on that day-like today-when you know in your gut it's over, I've been real upset and not a pleasant person to be around. Today, however, I felt contentment. Like I've been saying for the past month or so as we swirled down the vortex to Cub fans who ask me about my well-being "we have last year, nothing can take it away." Sure, having tasted the wine of '05 made me thirsty for more gulps. it also gave me something to look back on as a moment when being a White Sox fan paid off in every positive way imaginable.

This is real similar to how I felt the year after the Bears won the Super Bowl. The burning curiosity how what it felt like to have your team acknowledged as the biggest cheese in the world was satisfied. I have my DVD's and clothing celebrating last year. I knew that if we repeated this year, it would have felt different than last year. This year it would be been an affirmation. I feel good knowing the White Sox, despite the performance since the ASB, are one of the elite teams going into next year and I am looking forward to being part of it again.

ajismyhero
09-19-2006, 12:58 AM
Ok, just because everyone else is doing it, here's another White Sox '06 Song.....

"...and you are so lame
you always dissapoint me
it's kind of like our running joke
but it's really not funny
and i just want you to live up to
the image of you i create
i see you and i'm so unsatisfied
i see you and i dialate

so i'll walk the plank
and i'll jump with a smile
if i'm gonna go down
i'm gonna do it with style..."

Foulke You
09-19-2006, 12:59 AM
It's sad. Really, walking out of the park tonight was one of the saddest moments I've ever felt watching this team in my life. This is DEFINALY the most disapointing season I've ever witnessed in my short life.
This one hurt, but I would say leaving the ballpark after Game 2 of the 2000 ALDS against Seattle down 0-2 was the biggest funeral procession at 333 W. 35th st that I've seen. A nice 95 win season and a division title could be heard swirling down the bowl as I left the park.

DumpJerry
09-19-2006, 01:00 AM
I completely forgot to mention in my post how tough the Central was looking next year even this early. Obviously Chicago and Minnesota will be right there with no changes. I expect Cleveland and even the Royals to improve. The only reason I have faith in the Tigers to be in the mix is because of the young pitching. Provided that the arms of Verlander, Bonderman, Zumaya and the like stay healthy, this team should be able to contend for the Central title again, and at the very least the wild card. And also remember that the Tigers will also be looking to upgrade this offseason. I expect a dogfight.
Next year, the AL Central is not for those with weak hearts, stomachs or knees. The Royals have been on FIRE since getting their new GM mid-season, the Tigers and Twins are not going away, the White Sox will be in the mix for First all season long. The Tribe might be the weak sister in the division if they don't get pitching beyond Captain Cheesecake.

To paraphrase Mr. T: "I pity the the teams that have to play the AL Central in '07!"

palehozenychicty
09-19-2006, 01:02 AM
To paraphrase Mr. T: "I pity the the teams that have to play the AL Central in '07!"

92 wins may win the Central next year. It is the future of MLB. Book it.

TDog
09-19-2006, 01:03 AM
:(:

Has there ever been a more hyped team that crumbled so badly?

This is a sad day.


The 1984 White Sox for one. The 1985 and 2004 Cubs to name two more. For that matter, the 2005 and 2006 Cubs aren't much farther behind. And I haven't even left Chicago. How about the 2006 Red Sox? Make yourself comfortable before someone starts telling you about some sad stories involving the Mets and Phillies.

And, by he way, YOUR 2006 CLEVELAND INDIANS!

People were upset when Bill Melton referred to last year's parade as a "once in a lifetime experience." Some people were upset that AJ in the World Series video said you never know if you'll ever get back to another Series, or something to that effect. The fact is, baseball isn't easy. Players know that.

I would be more disappointed if the Sox didn't win the Series when they had the chance. I'm disappointed, of course, but the Giants haven't won in my lifetime, and they came so close under Dusty Baker. The Indians came so close in the 1990s and then came close last year.

As a longtime White Sox fan, I've been through a heck of a lot worse than this.

cbotnyse
09-19-2006, 01:04 AM
OK, I've been away all weekend and I havent gotten a chance to follow the race that closely. Are we mathmatically out of it? Can someone break it down for me. Thanks.

chisoxmike
09-19-2006, 01:06 AM
OK, I've been away all weekend and I havent gotten a chance to follow the race that closely. Are we mathmatically out of it? Can someone break it down for me. Thanks.


They are 4.5 out of the Wild Card, 6 out of the division with 12 games left. No, they are not mathematically out of it.

Frankly Missing
09-19-2006, 01:07 AM
This one hurt, but I would say leaving the ballpark after Game 2 of the 2000 ALDS against Seattle down 0-2 was the biggest funeral procession at 333 W. 35th st that I've seen. A nice 95 win season and a division title could be heard swirling down the bowl as I left the park.

How right you are, this season is a huge disappointment.

But getting swept in the 2000 playoff was a raw, aching, "will I survive?" two box of kleenex PAIN.

thanx for putting my White Sox angst in perspective. :o:

DumpJerry
09-19-2006, 01:08 AM
92 wins may win the Central next year. It is the future of MLB. Book it.
You may be right. It is also possible to have two 100+ win teams at the expense of the non-AL Central teams which will be nicknamed "The Sacrificial Lambs."

BTW, is it me, or did the last four games become part of a promotion called "Get Back At Kenny Day/Night?"

cbotnyse
09-19-2006, 01:11 AM
They are 4.5 out of the Wild Card, 6 out of the division with 12 games left. No, they are not mathematically out of it.thanks. and out of those 12, 3 are the Twins. I hope we can at least be alive until then. The playoffs would start a series early for us.

DumpJerry
09-19-2006, 01:11 AM
How right you are, this season is a huge disappointment.

But getting swept in the 2000 playoff was a raw, aching, "will I survive?" two box of kleenex PAIN.

thanx for putting my White Sox angst in perspective. :o:
The only time I bawled, and mean BAWLED like a baby, was when the O's did their thing to us in '83. I was living in St. Paul, Minnesota at the time (school) and when I was done bawling, the mapmakers had to draw the new lake I created and the license plate makers got to work on the new "10,001 Lakes" plates.

chisoxmike
09-19-2006, 01:11 AM
Damn, I just saw the hats and shirts for the division winners this year. They're nice.:whiner:

TheOldRoman
09-19-2006, 01:12 AM
"Before Thome's homer, the Sox's 3-4-5 batters were 5-for-39. The offense has hit into 17 double plays in the last 14 games."--Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune.

Emblematic of the season no?

Home run or nothing.

Lip
Yeah, but it is all the pitching's fault. The offense just went on a little slump. Best offense in baseball, baby!

chisoxmike
09-19-2006, 01:14 AM
Yeah, but it is all the pitching's fault. The offense just went on a little slump. Best offense in baseball, baby!


Well, if the pitching didnt lay a egg for much of the season........

SouthSide_HitMen
09-19-2006, 01:19 AM
The only time I bawled, and mean BAWLED like a baby, was when the O's did their thing to us in '83. I was living in St. Paul, Minnesota at the time (school) and when I was done bawling, the mapmakers had to draw the new lake I created and the license plate makers got to work on the new "10,001 Lakes" plates.

Game 4 in 1983 was the most disappointing game I've ever been to.

1983 and 2006 were the two most disappointing seasons - the White Sox had a chance to win it all and blew it. The difference was Baltimore was an excellent team whereas Minnesota and Detroit suck ass making 2006 the most disappointing season in my lifetime.

TheOldRoman
09-19-2006, 01:19 AM
Well, if the pitching didnt lay a egg for much of the season........
The pitching wasn't nearly as good as it should have been the entire year, but the offense was a mirage, and in the end, it cost us. The offense was "homer or nothing, swing for the fences, go after bad pitches, don't work the count, and get humiliated against horrible pitchers" all year long. I don't care if the pitching give up 4 runs to the Royals (who had a pretty decent offense). If you are facing a pitcher with an ERA above 8, and you consider yourself a good offense, you better damn well put up AT LEAST 6 runs. Lead-off was a huge problem, but our biggest problem in the second half has been Thome becoming worthless. It appears that he is injured, but when he started going down the tubes, so did our season.

MrX
09-19-2006, 01:20 AM
I turned this mess off after the first. With Buehrle giving up the 2 runs before the Sox even had a chance to bat I knew what type of offense we'd see.

I was pissed off the few times I did flip all I heard from DJ was him talking about how Mark was just doing his usual start and giving up 3 or 4 runs and keeping them in the game and the offense needed to step up. Maybe Mark should have stepped up and not dug a hole for the team right off the bat.

XOS
09-19-2006, 02:05 AM
They handled the fundamentals of baseball in a very maladroit way. I didnít expect the pitching staff of a world champion to be macabre. What a disconsolate year!!!

IJay22
09-19-2006, 03:27 AM
It hurts bad, for a team to have that kind of talent and just fall apart like that. Thank god the Bears are doing good or I would be really messed up.

As for my world series pick, it was White Sox vs Mets, but now I'm gonna say Athletics vs Mets. The Big Hurt vs The Mestro of the three run homer Jose Valentine.

DeadMoney
09-19-2006, 03:27 AM
They handled the fundamentals of baseball in a very maladroit way. I didnít expect the pitching staff of a world champion to be macabre. What a disconsolate year!!!

Your what hurts?

Just kidding...It has been an very unsatisfying year considering the expectations. Maybe we should learn that expectations mean NOTHING in baseball. Just ask the '05 Sox, '03 Marlins, or the '02 Angels.

For those talking about most dissapointment. I imagine the Mariners fans were incredibly disappointed '01 after 116 wins got them KO'd by the Yankees in 5 games in the ALCS. (BTW, did anyone know Podsednik played in 5 games for them in '01 with 6 at bats. The name jumped off the page at me for some reason when I was looking up their exact # of wins.)

Bobbo35
09-19-2006, 07:13 AM
im for the twinkies too
i hate the tigers and the a's
minn-mets series
Screw rooting for any other team in our division. Mets all the way. I just can't deal with the fact that this team has layed down like a submissive dog. I would have rather it have been like the Cub's season. They sucked all year long.
How freakin pitifull! Just cannot believe it!!!!

mccoydp
09-19-2006, 07:27 AM
Sad to see the season pretty much over at this point.

I will, however, be cheering for Big Frank in his first playoff appearance since 2000! Go Big Hurt!

Sad
09-19-2006, 08:01 AM
Sad to see the season pretty much over at this point.

I will, however, be cheering for Big Frank in his first playoff appearance since 2000! Go Big Hurt!

yep
we're done... damn shame too...

BEARSssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!

Juice16
09-19-2006, 08:05 AM
Was at the mall yesterday and saw many of the different plaques and framed pics of last years World Series and it is like it was years ago. This years' team has me so disappointed that right now its all I can focus on.

TomBradley72
09-19-2006, 08:09 AM
Hop off that bandwagon. Good job.

Fan for 35 years. Season ticket holder. Live 50 miles away...still make 15-20 games a year. I'm no ****ing bandwagon jumper. Just facing reality.

tdwiek
09-19-2006, 08:24 AM
Well, I was holding out hope after a sweep of the Tigers, but really, if this is it, I have a few things to get off my chest. During a playoff chase:

1. I still see Mack in center:angry:
2. I still see these absurd lefty righty matchups that just bore thru an already iffy bullpen like acid thru a styrofoam cup.:angry:
3. I still see 6 different lineups a week:angry:
4. I still see the 8 and 9 hitter from other teams kill us
5. I still see the other team score right after we do:angry:
6. I still see double plays up the wazoo:angry:
7. I still see people get thrown out at home, continually, by what seems like 35 feet.:angry:

Now, a few times is one thing, but all 7 of those events have been happening either ALL SEASON, or at least since July. That's why I didn't think they were gonna make it this year. Same **** that isn't, and hasn't, been working, still keeps happening. Personally I think the writing was on the wall when they lost that Sunday game to Cleveland while Minnesota was playing Detroit. Oh well, let's regroup, and I fully expect to not have to worry about Detroit OR Minnesota in 07.

I know it's a small part of a very big problem, but Joey Cora has to go as 3rd base coach. Just as you note in #7 above, I've seen way too many terrible calls there where Joey has the runner go and they are thrown out by a mile.

DumpJerry
09-19-2006, 08:42 AM
Wow. Before I left for Parent Night at my school tonight, I told my parents that if the Sox don't sweep, I'm going on record as believing the season is over; the nail was put into the coffin tonight. There's just so much running through my mind right now. I'm feeling nostalgic, longing for that feeling we all had last September; afterall, we're approaching the one year anniversary of "Clutch" Crede's homerun that eventually turned the season around. I'm feeling very sad, let down, and there's a level of disappointment in me I haven't experienced as a Sox fan in a long time.

About an hour ago, I had a conversation with a good friend and we were discussing the debacle that has become the 2006 White Sox. The topic of watching playoff baseball came up and I automatically said I'd watch as many playoff games as I could. In the past hour, I feel like I have to retract that statement. I read so many posts in this thread tonight and so many of them just evoked so much sadness in me that I honestly don't know if I can watch playoff baseball this year. Sure, it was easy in years past when we didn't know what winning playoff baseball was all about as Sox fans; we didn't know what we were missing. 2005 changed everything. We now know what we'll be missing and knowing we won't be a part of it, will make the wounds all that more painful.

With an insurmountable deficit staring Sox fans in the face, I know it's just a matter of time before the Cub fans start in with us. And when a specific one starts picking on me, I already know what I'm going to say to her. I'll admit that this was a disappointing season, but will also remind her that I was at least around the last time the Sox won the World Series. Not only was she not around when the Cubs won it all, but neither were here parents or grandparents! I'll also say something to her that I definitely believe and that will keep me going through this sad time- despite what happened this season, no one and nothing can take away the memories and magic of 2005. We'll always have our DVDs that remind us all of going Wire-to-Wire, and 11-1 in the post-season.

Thank you, White Sox for the fun moments of 2006- Opening Night; the Ring Ceremony; A.J.'s homerun against the Cubs; Podsednik's, Crede's and Iguchi's, grand slams against Houston, and others. But sadly, those moments just weren't enough. :whiner:
The good news is that we can still save if we switch to GEICO!

BeviBall!
09-19-2006, 08:48 AM
I look forward to seeing what KW will do with this underachieving bunch. I'd almost like to see a 50/50 roster split comprising of those who have rings and those that do not. The lack of hunger this month was embarrassing.

I tried to mentally prepare myself for this moment as it started to become clear that missing the playoffs was a real possibility in August. No chance... this sucks.

itsnotrequired
09-19-2006, 09:00 AM
chisoxmike, Chips, The Dude and I bailed out right after the HR. Alas, the noose tightens ever tighter.

Sig update time...

Law11
09-19-2006, 09:00 AM
Well I might as well enjoy my last 2 games this week with a mess of Kosher Dogs and Onions. I'll need a fix by November...

GO BEARS!!!!

jenn2080
09-19-2006, 09:03 AM
chisoxmike, Chips, The Dude and I bailed out right after the HR. Alas, the noose tightens ever tighter.

Sig update time...


I did to. I also missed Rob's wonderful centerfield performance.

itsnotrequired
09-19-2006, 09:04 AM
I did to. I also missed Rob's wonderful centerfield performance.

Yep, I missed that piece of great fielding as well as Field's HR. Oh well...

samram
09-19-2006, 09:31 AM
I agree 100%. The Sox were the best team in baseball. They were much better than Detroit and Minnesota. I don't want to see excuses for this team. They did not get beat this year. They underachieved, and for the last three weeks or so, they laid down. The whole years was played with the attitude of "we are the best, we will win the series again, any day now we will turn it on and go on a 10 game run." This team didn't have any fight in it. They were spineless and gutless, and they apparently didn't have any pride. The whole second half has been a constant replay of Torrrrriiiiiii Hunter decking Jamie Burke. Nobody cared enough to step up.

The fact that this team, as horrible as they have played in the second half, will win 90 games shows you how talented this team was, and how much they underachieved. I could live with losing in the playoffs, but not making the playoffs is inexcusable. I don't care how hot the Twins are or the Tigers were, the Sox should have been in the playoffs no matter what. This season was an embarrassment for the organization. They never turned it around. They never put it together, they just didn't work hard enough. Nobody pried the crown away from the Sox, they dropped it after passing out drunk.

Yeah. I was sure last night would be the game in which they just pummelled Roaster Boy and they would have to stop the game so Bossard's crew could drag his carcass off the field. Instead, the Sox got down 2-0, as is Buehrle's new MO, and they basically had no answer except to hit some meaningless solo homers. It's not an effort problem. The problem is the Sox seemed to expect they would overcome any adversity just because they won last year; when it didn't happen, they just rolled over.

Thome25
09-19-2006, 09:38 AM
On some positive notes

You have the Bears to cheer for
Joe Crede is the best fielding 3B I've ever seen
The Bulls will have a great season

Sox will be back next year - don't worry

Thanks for the words of encouragement. I have faith in Sox managment that we'll get things back together next season.

35th&Shields
09-19-2006, 09:44 AM
I think you guy's have alot to be proud of. In two years you've turned the franchise around. Unfortunatley the Twins and Tigers both got hot this year. It was a great summer and I have a feeling we'll be battling with each other for years to come!

Kind words. I was one of those last year who said, "If we win the World Series I will never complain again." The fact that we were a better team on paper this year makes it hard to keep this promise, but I'm sticking to it. I saw a White Sox World Series championship in my lifetime followed by a year in which they were in a pennant race basically the whole season. I'm old enough to remember some really, really bad teams and the heartbreak of the strike year when we might have won and years like the White Flag trade. I'm choosing to look on the bright side. One way or another we will return a championship contender to the South Side next year and that's all any fan can really ever ask for - a chance.

Who knows, we're technically not out of it yet. Miracles happen. No matter what happens I'm going to continue to support my team.

Palehose Pete
09-19-2006, 09:46 AM
But that's not what I really said last night after watching the Sox drop one like it's hot to the Tigers last night. I get the sense that Kenny and Ozzie are giving up on the season based on their recent comments. Too bad. Glutton for punishment that I probably am, I still think the Sox have a chance to win the Wild Card. Go SOX!!

alohafri
09-19-2006, 10:59 AM
I was at last night's game. These guys don't look like they will win another game in 2006. They were that flat, that pathetic.

RockyMtnSoxFan
09-19-2006, 11:08 AM
The White Sox will make the playoffs. Book it.

You are awfully confident that a team with a 28-37 record over the last 65 games can overcome a 4.5 game deficit to a team that has the best record in baseball during that same time span.

Procol Harum
09-19-2006, 11:12 AM
4.5 - today
3.5 - tomorrow
2.5 - wednesday
1.5 - thursday
2.5 - friday
1.5 - saturday
0.5 - sunday
take the lead after beating the Indians on 9/25 & hold it for the twins series, then kick their ass.

tell the fat lady to have a seat, it still ain't over.

You've seen the Sox the last few days and know how the Twins have been playing...and you say this based on what??? It'd be nice if pancakes grew on trees, too...

I think Alohafri is closer to the mark in wondering whether this bunch can muster up the stones to win another game this year. I'm an old gaffer of a Sox fan and I've seen a lot of baseball and this team looks as beaten as any Sox squad I've seen down through the years.

Fungo
09-19-2006, 11:16 AM
I was at last night's game. These guys don't look like they will win another game in 2006. They were that flat, that pathetic.I agree. All this talk of having 3, 90 win teams in the division is bunk. We may not get there. In a backs against the wall game, we completely lay an egg.

Flight #24
09-19-2006, 11:24 AM
Realistically, the only reason this team has hung around the chase this long is because of 2 things:

1) The Twins sucked to start the year
2) The Tigers have sucked in the 2d half

The Sox quite simply have played like crap and done so for a while. The pitching has sucked, but they've had the opportunity to win some games and stay in the race despite that. It's been an equal opportunity disaster, IMO with poor situational hitting, poor fundamentals, and poor managing (the BA fiasco, poor bullpen usage). The pitching's the most obvious, but not only culprit.

viagracat
09-19-2006, 11:31 AM
You've seen the Sox the last few days and know how the Twins have been playing...and you say this based on what??? It'd be nice if pancakes grew on trees, too...

I think Alohafri is closer to the mark in wondering whether this bunch can muster up the stones to win another game this year. I'm an old gaffer of a Sox fan and I've seen a lot of baseball and this team looks as beaten as any Sox squad I've seen down through the years.

You're right, Procol Harum. It's the "mojo" thing mentioned in another thread. Like you, I've watched baseball for a long time and can tell the difference between a team that believes in itself and one that looks simply beaten. The Sox fall in the latter category. End of story. :(:

DaveIsHere
09-19-2006, 11:33 AM
You're right, Procol Harum. It's the "mojo" thing mentioned in another thread. Like you, I've watched baseball for a long time and can tell the difference between a team that believes in itself and one that looks simply beaten. The Sox fall in the latter category. End of story. :(:

They fall into that category and also the category of an "Ungodly Amount of DP's"