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Jjav829
09-18-2006, 12:26 AM
Each team has 13 games left. As it currently stands, we're 5 back in the division and 4 back in the Wild Card with those 13 games to play. We play both the Twins and Tigers 3 games. One of those Twins games will be a Santana-at-home game, assuming those games mean anything for the Twins by then.

The Twins have two very easy series left with the Orioles and Royals. They also play the slumping Red Sox.

The Tigers have 6 games left against the Royals, 1 against the Orioles, and 3 against Toronto.

It's looking like our best chance at the playoffs will be if the Twins take the division and we can overtake the Tigers. However, 5 games back with only 13 games to play, it's going to be hard to make up that deficit...unless we sweep. Sweeping this series is the one way to make up ground in a hurry. If we sweep, we're only 2 games behind the Tigers with 10 games to go. Just winning the series means we only gain 1 game and we would be 4 back with 10 to go.

So, I ask the question: Do we need a sweep of the Tigers to stay alive? Or is 2 out of 3 good enough? Obviously 1 of 3 isn't good enough and a Tigers sweep basically eliminates us. But in your opinion, is a Sox sweep necessary to stay in the race?

LuvSox
09-18-2006, 12:28 AM
I think 2 of 3 will be cool. Detroit is suffocating, we can take the wild card with some effort.

whitesoxfan
09-18-2006, 12:29 AM
I said yes. Detroit's schedule is a joke the rest of the way, so if we want to catch them, we have to do everything we can to sweep them.

Like I said in the gamethread and postgame thread, 6-1 at an absolute MINIMUM this homestand (with the one loss coming to Seattle).

I really believe Boston is going to give the Twins a lot to handle (no matter what Fenway said about the Red Sox giving up on the season) and a sweep of Detroit would put us right back in both the Division and Wild Card races. Let's get this done.

chisoxmike
09-18-2006, 12:29 AM
A sweep will turn the season around.

Winning 2 of 3 we would have to count on the Tigers losing everyday.

And, I put no faith in the Royals and Baltimore playing any sort of baseball for the rest of the season.

SoxSpeed22
09-18-2006, 12:32 AM
I think the title of the thread sums it up pretty well. Not a good time to get swept, especially the way it happened.
Detroit has us, a make-up game with the O's, KC (1 at home, 1 in KC) and Toronto (home) left.
Minnesota has Boston (in Boston), Baltimore (away), KC (home) and us at home.
So barring some small miracle, I might have to root for the Yankees this postseason. :puking:

Edit: Chisoxmike, that's what most of us said 4 weeks ago after sweeping Detroit.

DumpJerry
09-18-2006, 12:35 AM
I would vote the third option:
It don't matter no mo'

beckett21
09-18-2006, 12:38 AM
From a mathematical standpoint no, but from a psychological standpoint a sweep would do wonders for the Sox' confidence, and put that much more doubt into the Tigers' minds.

I'm not jumping off the roof if they don't sweep, but I'll feel a whole lot better if they do. The numbers are getting too tight.

Just remember, one at a time. :redneck

Brian26
09-18-2006, 12:38 AM
I think 2 of 3 will be cool. Detroit is suffocating, we can take the wild card with some effort.

Two out of three would be acceptable if this were still June. It's too late now. The sweep is necessary. Detroit will be playing six games against a Triple-A team after the Sox series.

whitesoxfan
09-18-2006, 12:38 AM
I think the title of the thread sums it up pretty well. Not a good time to get swept, especially the way it happened.
Detroit has us, a make-up game with the O's, KC (1 at home, 1 in KC) and Toronto (home) left.
Minnesota has Boston (in Boston), Baltimore (away), KC (home) and us at home.
So barring some small miracle, I might have to root for the Yankees this postseason. :puking:

Edit: Chisoxmike, that's what most of us said 4 weeks ago after sweeping Detroit.


Minnesota's schedule is tougher than I thought. Baltimore (as evident by today's game against the Tiggers) won't simply roll up and die like Cleveland did for them. KC did take 2 of 3 from the Twinkie Dome a couple of weeks ago, and if we go in to the Dump Dome with everything on the line, I like our chances better than their's.

As for Detroit, they do run in to Halladay. Other than that, hopefully Baltimore can win another one and hopefully KC gives them late September trouble like they did to us last year.

beckett21
09-18-2006, 12:39 AM
I would vote the third option:
It don't matter no mo'

If the Sox sweep, they will just be two back of Detroit with 10 to play.

Of course it still matters.

LuvSox
09-18-2006, 12:43 AM
Two out of three would be acceptable if this were still June. It's too late now. The sweep is necessary. Detroit will be playing six games against a Triple-A team after the Sox series.

I don't have that much faith in Detroit.

100 Year Itch
09-18-2006, 12:44 AM
GIDPK and others have consistently maintained that the division will come down to the last week of the season; their prognostications, to this point, are spot on.

I suspect the Sox will go to Minnesota in the final series of the season with the division on the line -- whether they are contenders or spoilers at that point is anyone's guess.

BadBobbyJenks
09-18-2006, 12:49 AM
??????? obviously

StillMissOzzie
09-18-2006, 12:51 AM
I voted that the Sox need the sweep. They can't count on much help for the rest of the year from the Tiger opposition. And even if the Sox do sweep, the Sox still need to 7-3 after that, as I see the Tigers going 5-5 at worst after this series. Unless the Sox get some help from the Red Sox, who did just sweep the Yankees in a DH, I definitely could see the Twinks winning the AL Central with the Sox and Tigers going down to the wire for the WC.

SMO
:(:

Chips
09-18-2006, 12:51 AM
Yes to the sweep.

JUribe1989
09-18-2006, 12:53 AM
Gotta sweep and will sweep starting with a Mark Buehrle 8 inning, 2 run performance tomorrow night.

chisoxmike
09-18-2006, 01:01 AM
Man, if the Sox lose tomorrow, going by the results, this board may be quiet

Who voted no?

HotelWhiteSox
09-18-2006, 01:03 AM
I am feeling extra pumped about tomorrow's Detroit game (weird after a horrible stretch), it's midnight and I'm jumping off the walls, I hope the players feel half of what I feel right now, it's pressure and it's time to THRIVE on it, take it by the throat and squeeze until **** comes out, the crazy situations that happen in movies, THUNDER! and now on to homework :(:

batmanZoSo
09-18-2006, 01:04 AM
In my opinion, the first time we lose to the Tigers is the last game that matters. We can pack it in after that. Think about it, that's a difference of gaining three or gaining a meaningless one game. If we do sweep, there's hope left. What did we go from 10 back to 5.5 in like a week or something back in August or July. It does happen. But yes, we absolutely positively have to sweep.

Two back with ten to play -- alive.
Four back with ten to play -- dead.

chisoxmike
09-18-2006, 01:07 AM
Thing is, the Sox have to deal with Kenny Rodgers tomorrow. That doesn't bode well for the Sox hitters. Because for some reason, they can hit all the fastballs in the world, but throw a guy in their with a change up and they got nothing.

batmanZoSo
09-18-2006, 01:09 AM
Thing is, the Sox have to deal with Kenny Rodgers tomorrow. That doesn't bode well for the Sox hitters.

At the very least, I'd love to see them just hammer that old bastard. Don't we usually pound him once a year as a few here have pointed out? If so, I'd say we're due.

Myrtle72
09-18-2006, 01:13 AM
Alright, who's the person who voted no?

:p

batmanZoSo
09-18-2006, 01:14 AM
Alright, who's the person who voted no?

:p

Gotta be Luv.

Show yourself man!

sox647
09-18-2006, 01:17 AM
need to sweep is different from wanting a sweep.

like someone mentioned earlier, 2 out of 3 would be cool.

Fenway
09-18-2006, 01:22 AM
I said yes. Detroit's schedule is a joke the rest of the way, so if we want to catch them, we have to do everything we can to sweep them.

Like I said in the gamethread and postgame thread, 6-1 at an absolute MINIMUM this homestand (with the one loss coming to Seattle).

I really believe Boston is going to give the Twins a lot to handle (no matter what Fenway said about the Red Sox giving up on the season) and a sweep of Detroit would put us right back in both the Division and Wild Card races. Let's get this done.

well Boston showed heart against NYY so maybe they can take 2 from the Twins

Deuce
09-18-2006, 01:26 AM
We either sweep or we can call it a year (barring a complete breakdown by either Minni or the Tigers). Too many great opportunities wasted by this team. There is simply no more room for failure anymore.

Deuce

CLR01
09-18-2006, 01:34 AM
Play 9 innings of good baseball every day and I'll be happy.

I vote both. We don't need to sweep but doing so makes it alot easier. They do need to take at least two though.

Jjav829
09-18-2006, 01:37 AM
Play 9 innings of good baseball every day and I'll be happy.

I vote both. We don't need to sweep but doing so makes it alot easier. They do need to take at least two though.

How can you vote both? It's a Yes or No question. :smile:

Either we need to sweep or we don't need to sweep. The question isn't, "Will sweeping really, really help us?" :tongue:

CLR01
09-18-2006, 01:52 AM
How can you vote both? It's a Yes or No question. :smile:

Either we need to sweep or we don't need to sweep. The question isn't, "Will sweeping really, really help us?" :tongue:



Pfft....I'lll just have to change the poll question to fit my excellent answer. :D:

PKalltheway
09-18-2006, 04:26 AM
The Sox need to sweep. If they don't, it's over. If the Sox sweep, they'll be two behind the Tigers, and who knows how many behind the Twins (we'll have to see how they'll do against Boston). A sweep will revitalize the Sox. If the Tigers are swept, they'll be on the brink of a nuclear meltdown.

Grzegorz
09-18-2006, 05:40 AM
A sweep is needed; start tonight by beating Mr. Rodgers...

soxfanatlanta
09-18-2006, 08:24 AM
**** or get off the pot. It's that rudimentary.

mark2olson
09-18-2006, 08:47 AM
Thing is, the Sox have to deal with Kenny Rodgers tomorrow. That doesn't bode well for the Sox hitters. Because for some reason, they can hit all the fastballs in the world, but throw a guy in their with a change up and they got nothing.

Whatever it takes, let's beat this guy! One batter at a time, do whatever it takes to score runs. Start early tonight fellas!

kevingrt
09-18-2006, 08:51 AM
Sweep or die is correct!

mwc44
09-18-2006, 08:54 AM
A sweep is definitely needed... as well as a pitching performance from the starters that closely mirrors that of last year's ALCS. If we have to go to our bullcrap...errrrr..... I mean, bullpen during this series.....

:hawk

"WE GONE!!!"

jenn2080
09-18-2006, 09:02 AM
They sure do need to sweep.

I have 4 out of 7 games this week and I plan on going 4-0.

Pike
09-18-2006, 09:07 AM
I think we need to sweep.

It will give us several advantages
1.) we will only be back by 2 games against the Tigers, and no worse than two back from the twins.
2.) Psychologically, the Tigers maybe in disaray,... they will be tied with the twins and only two back from us,... last year we went on a a tear the last week of the season,....
3.) Our confidence will soar, as noted above, last years accomplishments will breathe near air into the 2006 campaign. It will create moe confidence, and less soffocating pressure to perform.

Winning just 2 out of 3 will help, but it will create a very uphill battle. Plus, catching the Tiger seemed highly unlikely, and depending on what the twins do, it may be difficult to catch them as well.

samram
09-18-2006, 09:18 AM
In my opinion, the first time we lose to the Tigers is the last game that matters. We can pack it in after that. Think about it, that's a difference of gaining three or gaining a meaningless one game. If we do sweep, there's hope left. What did we go from 10 back to 5.5 in like a week or something back in August or July. It does happen. But yes, we absolutely positively have to sweep.

Two back with ten to play -- alive.
Four back with ten to play -- dead.

Correct. It's take it one game at time, uh, time.

Pilgrim
09-18-2006, 09:25 AM
If the Twins go 7-6 the rest of the way, we have to go 12-1 to overtake them for the wild card. Better chance of passing Detroit and forcing Twins to win division.

harwar
09-18-2006, 09:48 AM
The problem is that we seem to want this quite a bit more than the players do.

SoxFan78
09-18-2006, 10:05 AM
Sox Sweep Detroit: Still in the heart of the playoff race
Sox take 2 from Detroit: On the outside looking in
Sox lose 2-3 to Detroit: Season over

Dan H
09-18-2006, 10:46 AM
There is no doubt the Sox have to sweep the Detroit, but I don't think they are capable of doing it. They are in a rut, and I don't think they will climb out of it to pull this off. They just don't have it, and maybe that will the best thing. Do we really want this team to go in the playoffs and go out like Boston did last year? This team has nothing left.

Ol' No. 2
09-18-2006, 10:58 AM
The elimination number for passing the Tigers is 9. Taking 2 out of 3 still knocks that down to 7 with 10 games left. Without a sweep, the Sox chances of overtaking the Tigers drops from small to infinitesimal.

Unfortunately, I don't think they can do it. I'm predicting the Sox will win 7 or at most, 8 of their remaining 13 games.

itsnotrequired
09-18-2006, 11:01 AM
The elimination number for passing the Tigers is 9. Taking 2 out of 3 still knocks that down to 7 with 10 games left. Without a sweep, the Sox chances of overtaking the Tigers drops from small to infinitesimal.

Unfortunately, I don't think they can do it. I'm predicting the Sox will win 7 or at most, 8 of their remaining 13 games.

I agree. Barring a total meltdown by Detroit and Minnesota, it will be extremely difficult for the Sox to make it into the postseason. Even our friends at BP only have our chances at 6%.

:whiner:

viagracat
09-18-2006, 11:06 AM
I voted "no" because I don't like that "sweep or die" stuff; that was showing up here all the way back in August. But as we are now entering late September, I will say the Sox must take at least 2 of 3 from Detroit. The way they've been playing lately, take the 2 (a sweep is a bonus), stay focused vs Seattle and hope for some help.

I just don't see Minnesota falling apart enough for the Sox to catch them (hope I'm wrong), but Detroit is a possible as they're still scuffling. All I care about right now is getting to the playoffs somehow; WC or title, I don't care.

Chicken Dinner
09-18-2006, 11:11 AM
The problem is that we seem to want this quite a bit more than the players do.


That's a true statement (I would also add the manager).

CaptainBallz
09-18-2006, 11:18 AM
That's a true statement (I would also add the manager).

That really can't be said with any certainty. Although I will say that AJ sounded real defeatist on North this morning. He didn't have that "Let's go get Detroit" tone in his voice. He sounded bummed and beaten---And this is AJ- frickin- Pierzynki!!

Whatever it is that motivates these guys has been, and it seems continues to be, strangely missing.

samram
09-18-2006, 11:20 AM
That really can't be said with any certainty. Although I will say that AJ sounded real defeatist on North this morning. He didn't have that "Let's go get Detroit" tone in his voice. He sounded bummed and beaten---And this is AJ- frickin- Pierzynki!!

Whatever it is that motivates these guys has, and it seems continues, to be strangely missing.

Yeah, I heard that too. What got my attention was that AJ kept saying they were waiting for things to click and come together so they could go on a run. He never said they wanted to go out and take the initiative and make things happen. I understand that in baseball, there's only so much you can do and I don't question the team's effort, but I wish they didn't just think that runs happen just because they're due for one.

ma-gaga
09-18-2006, 11:40 AM
The W.Sox need the sweep. Both mathmatically and emotionally.

This is going to sound silly coming from an admitted propeller-head, but at this point of the season the games are going to be won by the team that is more mentally tough, than physically talented.

Detroit is vulnerable right now. But the W.Sox have to out-gut them, have to out-defense them, have to out-pitch them. ...

batmanZoSo
09-18-2006, 11:54 AM
There is no doubt the Sox have to sweep the Detroit, but I don't think they are capable of doing it. They are in a rut, and I don't think they will climb out of it to pull this off. They just don't have it, and maybe that will the best thing. Do we really want this team to go in the playoffs and go out like Boston did last year? This team has nothing left.

I don't see why you'd ever not want to make the playoffs. A first round sweep is better than not making it at all. And they'd be doing something unprecedented by making the postseason in consecutive years.

The W.Sox need the sweep. Both mathmatically and emotionally.

This is going to sound silly coming from an admitted propeller-head, but at this point of the season the games are going to be won by the team that is more mentally tough, than physically talented.

Detroit is vulnerable right now. But the W.Sox have to out-gut them, have to out-defense them, have to out-pitch them. ...

Absolutely. The only reason there's a faint glimmer of hope is that the Sox have a tendency to wake up like someone flipped a switch when Detroit comes to town. So, let us play... :praying:

MVP
09-18-2006, 12:00 PM
It's sweep or die. No question about it.

itsnotrequired
09-18-2006, 12:08 PM
I don't see why you'd ever not want to make the playoffs. A first round sweep is better than not making it at all. And they'd be doing something unprecedented by making the postseason in consecutive years.

Don't forget the extra loot the players get for making it to the postseason. Even if the Sox bowed out in the ALDS, they would still get 3% of the postseason pool. That's a guaranteed $161,100 that would go to the players (more if ticket sales are high). Assuming an even split across the 40 man roster, that's a cool $4,027.50 in each players pocket, minimum.

Second place teams that don't make it to the playoffs even get a cut of postseason money but with the Wild Card coming out of the AL Central this year, the Sox would get nothing.

:farmer

"It's all about the money, Chris Singleton."

batmanZoSo
09-18-2006, 12:34 PM
Don't forget the extra loot the players get for making it to the postseason. Even if the Sox bowed out in the ALDS, they would still get 3% of the postseason pool. That's a guaranteed $161,100 that would go to the players (more if ticket sales are high). Assuming an even split across the 40 man roster, that's a cool $4,027.50 in each players pocket, minimum.

Second place teams that don't make it to the playoffs even get a cut of postseason money but with the Wild Card coming out of the AL Central this year, the Sox would get nothing.

:farmer

"It's all about the money, Chris Singleton."

4k, that's just one more ivory backscratcher.

itsnotrequired
09-18-2006, 12:39 PM
4k, that's just one more ivory backscratcher.

Throw it on the pile...

JB98
09-18-2006, 12:52 PM
A sweep will turn the season around.

Winning 2 of 3 we would have to count on the Tigers losing everyday.

And, I put no faith in the Royals and Baltimore playing any sort of baseball for the rest of the season.

I agree with this. It will still be possible to catch Detroit if we win two out of three, but there is a big difference between mathematical hope and realistic hope. Some people believe in miracles. I don't.

We need a sweep. Time is running out.