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A. Cavatica
09-17-2006, 05:45 PM
Have at it, if you have something to say that hasn't already been said. :(:

NDSox12
09-17-2006, 05:46 PM
Nice thread subject... that's pretty much what it will take at this point.

LuvSox
09-17-2006, 05:46 PM
Should've swept Oakland.

whitesoxfan
09-17-2006, 05:46 PM
We absolutely have to go 7-0 or at the very minimum, 6-1 on this homestand. Either way, a sweep of Detroit is necessary if we want to make the playoffs.

ScottsdaleSoxFan
09-17-2006, 05:46 PM
Tomorrow is a statement day for us. If we lose the next series against DET, we're done for the year. Oh well, then we will get to see Fields, Sweeney, and Owens more.

Chips
09-17-2006, 05:47 PM
That was a ****ty game.

hi im skot
09-17-2006, 05:47 PM
:whiner:

batmanZoSo
09-17-2006, 05:47 PM
Nice effort.

Grzegorz
09-17-2006, 05:48 PM
Kudos to Gload and Pods (even with the KO in the 9th).

What is it three and a half with the Twins???

Go get the Tiger tomorrow... What else can one say?

cheezheadsoxfan
09-17-2006, 05:48 PM
Thread title good job of staying positive. Or should it have been teal?

DickAllen72
09-17-2006, 05:48 PM
Gload should be in the starting lineup every game for the rest of the season.

Patrick134
09-17-2006, 05:48 PM
Tigers losing today was nice, big series tomorrow. Looking at recent history, you'd have been nuts to expect much to happen for the sox in oakland.

gf2020
09-17-2006, 05:48 PM
It's still not over. I still believe. It's getting harder and harder, but I believe in my heart of hearts that this team has one more run left in it. We win Monday.

palehozenychicty
09-17-2006, 05:48 PM
Should've swept Oakland.

Indeed. They had opportunities in every game. They didn't even bring in Street to close a one-run game, in case we want to feel more insulted. :(:
That said, bring on detroit!:D:

HotelWhiteSox
09-17-2006, 05:49 PM
embarrassed in Oakland again, and their players laugh their ass off about it every year (saw a Byrnes interview that proved it). This time it is Frank who is laughing the most

palehozenychicty
09-17-2006, 05:49 PM
What is it three and a half with the Twins???


Four. Minnesota won today. Only the Sox are fading away.

DickAllen72
09-17-2006, 05:50 PM
Four. Minnesota won today. Only the Sox are fading away.
It will take a miracle for the sox to make the playoffs now. :(:

Chisox003
09-17-2006, 05:51 PM
We absolutely have to go 7-0 or at the very minimum, 6-1 on this homestand. Either way, a sweep of Detroit is necessary if we want to make the playoffs.
We've been saying things like this all season long, especially in the 2nd half. It hasn't happened yet, and at this point I'd be willing to bet it doesn't happen at all.

I'm as optimistic as anyone, but damn did they look bad this weekend. Hell, they've looked bad since July. This is the most frustrating baseball season and team I've ever been a part of.

soxchick20
09-17-2006, 05:53 PM
The bases loaded TWICE with less than 2 outs....and nothing came out of it. c'mon.

DaleJRFan
09-17-2006, 05:53 PM
I was expecting the "Sox finish the reverse sweep" thread title. This one's a bit more optimistic. :redneck

socko82
09-17-2006, 05:53 PM
Gload should be in the starting lineup every game for the rest of the season.


At this point I'd much rather see Gload up there in a big situation than Thome.

batmanZoSo
09-17-2006, 05:53 PM
The bases loaded TWICE with less than 2 outs....and nothing came out of it. c'mon.

That's been a White Sox trademark since 2001, save for last year. It's not surprising at all.

NoShoesJoe
09-17-2006, 05:54 PM
Let's face it, this team has played like **** since before the ASB. They hung on depsite themselves. I have no more emotional capital left to spend on them. If they make it great, if not, I'm already prepared.

rdwj
09-17-2006, 05:54 PM
Face it - they've given up. There is no fight left in this team. If we manage ONE win vs the Tigers AND Twins, I'll be shocked.

DickAllen72
09-17-2006, 05:54 PM
At this point I'd much rather see Gload up there in a big situation than Thome.
Who wouldn't?

socko82
09-17-2006, 05:55 PM
Who wouldn't?

Ozzie

sox1970
09-17-2006, 05:56 PM
Tragic Number is 10.

Helluva game by the Bears though.

Sox in 2007.

DaleJRFan
09-17-2006, 05:56 PM
At this point I'd much rather see Gload up there in a big situation than Thome.

And he can't be any worse than Podsednik in LF. He should be starting if LF for the rest of the season. He's hitting .336 for cryin out loud. I wouldn't be surprised if he has more stolen bases than Pods since the All Star break, and he plays once a month.

DickAllen72
09-17-2006, 05:56 PM
Ozzie

Oh yeah, I forgot about him.

DaleJRFan
09-17-2006, 05:57 PM
Helluva game by the Bears though.

...and Happy Harvick won today and subsequently, took the nextel points lead. So, it wasn't a totally bad day altogether.

Hitmen77
09-17-2006, 05:58 PM
I was expecting the "Sox finish the reverse sweep" thread title. This one's a bit more optimistic. :redneck

Or how about "White Sox sweep themselves".

TFLEM33
09-17-2006, 06:00 PM
Okay, I am typically the most optimistic Sox fan out there. I have felt like we had a shot all year, even with the terrible second half we've had. After being swept by Oakland (or should I say Big Frank), I think the nail is in our coffin. We lost three very close games in a row because we did not execute with runners in scoring position and our bullpen fell apart. The Minnesota Twins would not and have not squashed opportunities like we did during this series and during the second half. We just aren't the same scrappy team. We are big and slow, and our pitching has come back to earth. It was fun watching all the home runs this year, but I would rather WIN GAMES. Kenny has a lot of work to do in the offseason. Hope next year is better than this one was. Until then, Go SOX!

whitesoxfan
09-17-2006, 06:00 PM
We've been saying things like this all season long, especially in the 2nd half. It hasn't happened yet, and at this point I'd be willing to bet it doesn't happen at all.

I'm as optimistic as anyone, but damn did they look bad this weekend. Hell, they've looked bad since July. This is the most frustrating baseball season and team I've ever been a part of.

I'm not saying what I would like to do, I'm saying what we HAVE to do if we want to make the postseason.

Ozzie has to have the mentality where every game is game 7 in the World Series from tomorrow to the end of the postseason. Let's start it off right with a win tomorrow.

cheezheadsoxfan
09-17-2006, 06:03 PM
At this point I'd much rather see Gload up there in a big situation than Thome.

True

socko82
09-17-2006, 06:04 PM
Our guy tags up and is gunned down by 10 feet.
Their guy tags up and should be out by 10 feet and the ball skips by our catcher who doesn't feel the need to remove his mask.

And of course that's the deciding run.

goon
09-17-2006, 06:04 PM
bases loaded.

sox1970
09-17-2006, 06:04 PM
I'm not saying what I would like to do, I'm saying what we HAVE to do if we want to make the postseason.

Ozzie has to have the mentality where every game is game 7 in the World Series from tomorrow to the end of the postseason. Let's start it off right with a win tomorrow.

Give it up. Even if they somehow swept the Tigers, I don't see how the Tigers would blow a 2 game lead with their remaining 10 game schedule. And the Sox certainly will not pass the Twins again. This season is o-vah.

spiffie
09-17-2006, 06:06 PM
Well, all year long people have been posting about "must win" games. Others have laughed at these people. I think the games against Detroit come pretty close to being "must win" games. Though, hey, even if we get swept we still wouldn't be mathematically eliminated, so I guess we don't need to get too worried about them.

NoShoesJoe
09-17-2006, 06:06 PM
Give it up. Even if they somehow swept the Tigers, I don't see how the Tigers would blow a 2 game lead with their remaining 10 game schedule. And the Sox certainly will not pass the Twins again. This season is o-vah.

Quite friggin' right!

Myrtle72
09-17-2006, 06:07 PM
Trying to look on the bright side:

Gload played a great offensive game. And even Pods for that matter (at least compared to the rest of 2006). And Riske looked awesome out on the mound today, at least someone in our bullpen can throw the ball.

DrCrawdad
09-17-2006, 06:08 PM
Have at it, if you have something to say that hasn't already been said. :(:

I'm down and frustrated but I still have hope...

buehrle4cy05
09-17-2006, 06:09 PM
:help:

Myrtle72
09-17-2006, 06:10 PM
Ozzie has to have the mentality where every game is game 7 in the World Series from tomorrow to the end of the postseason. Let's start it off right with a win tomorrow.

Ozzie says he already has that mentality, for every game.

Lip Man 1
09-17-2006, 06:11 PM
My only comment is that this has gone beyond a statistical oddity. This is just FRIGGIN' EMBARRASSING.

Period. End of story.

I am sick and damn tired of looking at the schedule every friggin' season and automatically putting down an L by every game in Oakland.

I'd say more a lot more but I don't want to get banned.

Lip

russ99
09-17-2006, 06:13 PM
I was very disappointed in today's game.

I can't really stand to watch these games anymore. I'll check in to see what they do vs. the Tigers and if they've narrowed the gap by next weekend, I'll get a little bit excited again. I guess the best we can hope for is to:

A. Not be eliminated before the last week.

B. Not let the stinkin Twins win the division against us. :angry:

Myrtle72
09-17-2006, 06:14 PM
I am sick and damn tired of looking at the schedule every friggin' season and automatically putting down an L by every game in Oakland.


I honestly think that the Oakland thing is because everyone expects them to do poorly there, therefore they do. It's a psychological thing at this point.

DMarte708
09-17-2006, 06:16 PM
So, with 4 games behind in both the Wild Card and Division -- with 13 games left to play -- can I doubt our position in the playoffs without being labeled a dark cloud?

This season has been pitiful.

CLR01
09-17-2006, 06:16 PM
Indeed. They had opportunities in every game. They didn't even bring in Street to close a one-run game, in case we want to feel more insulted. :(:
That said, bring on detroit!:D:


Street has pitched in their last 3 games. He can't pitch every day even with the off day they had Thursday.

palehozenychicty
09-17-2006, 06:21 PM
Street has pitched in their last 3 games. He can't pitch every day even with the off day they had Thursday.

Ah, I got you. He has been hurt, so it makes sense. Okay, moving along now...

Paulwny
09-17-2006, 06:21 PM
"Get six jolly sox fans to carry my coffin.
"Six dance-hall maidens to bear up my pall.
"Throw bunches of roses all over my coffin.
"Roses to deaden the clods as they fall."

"Then beat the drum slowly, play the Fife lowly.
"Play the dead march as you carry me along.
"Take me to the green valley, lay the sod o'er me,
"I'm the white sox and I know I've done wrong."

MarySwiss
09-17-2006, 06:22 PM
The fact that we just got swept and this thread is only four pages long pretty much says it all.

I am prepared for the worst, but hoping for the best.

GO, WHITE SOX!!!

Bucky F. Dent
09-17-2006, 06:25 PM
It was said by the coach of a team that repeated that the first year was a dream, and the second year was an odyssey.

If we manage to make it back, it will certainly have been that.

C'mon Sox!

MadetoOrta
09-17-2006, 06:27 PM
Pathetic. Oh well, I've had bad feelings for a long time. I wonder if we wouldn't have been better off losing that 19 inning game before the All-Star break to Boston. Instead, we go into NY and get slapped upside the head and we've tried re-grouping ever since. I'm glad KW is as po'd as we are. Guillen? He's the problem - as I've been saying for months - because he has to be the show. We'll look back someday and point to his publicly screaming at Jon Garland as the beginning of the end. He lost the team. The talent on this team alone should have guaranteed 95 wins. I really thought 100 wins was realistic.

Someone needs to pay. I doubt anyone will. Thanks God for 2005!

kevingrt
09-17-2006, 06:28 PM
Well... we have 12 games left and need 12 wins. At least there is still hope. Actually it probably would have been nice to not have to be going through this pain currently but oh well. It's tough to look at anything bright about this team. Tough season so far and there isn't much way it's going to get any better.

MarySwiss
09-17-2006, 06:34 PM
One of the things I hate the most about the idea of Detroit and the Twins representing the AL Central in the playoffs is that I honestly don't think either one has a chance in hell against the Yankees.

And much as I hate the Yankees, I really, really, REALLY hate the Twins!!! :angry:

Frater Perdurabo
09-17-2006, 06:38 PM
One of the things I hate the most about the idea of Detroit and the Twins representing the AL Central in the playoffs is that I honestly don't think either one has a chance in hell against the Yankees.

And much as I hate the Yankees, I really, really, REALLY hate the Twins!!! :angry:

I still believe and hope the Sox make the playoffs.

If they don't, I refuse to root for the National League (unless it's the Cardinals, of course). I also refuse to root for the Yankees or Twins. So it's down to the Tigers or Athletics. Since I still like Frank Thomas, and I like him more than Maggs, by process of elimination I would have to root for the Athletics.

Of course, I'd still rather root for the Sox to win out, and here's to hoping for that!

:gulp:

viagracat
09-17-2006, 06:39 PM
My only comment is that this has gone beyond a statistical oddity. This is just FRIGGIN' EMBARRASSING.

Period. End of story.

I am sick and damn tired of looking at the schedule every friggin' season and automatically putting down an L by every game in Oakland.

I'd say more a lot more but I don't want to get banned.

Lip

Has a WSI Prelate ever been banned? :cool:

southside rocks
09-17-2006, 06:40 PM
I honestly think that the Oakland thing is because everyone expects them to do poorly there, therefore they do. It's a psychological thing at this point.

Oh, I totally agree and it's so tiresome ... I think they expect to lose out there, I really do. I think they've let all the BS get into their heads and they're beating themselves now -- the A's didn't win any of those games, the Sox gave them to them.

And I think they're so busy thinking about why they're not playing up to their potential, and why they're not getting it done, that THOSE little head games have got them beating themselves too. I think they've done that the whole bloody season.

YO, GUYS -- GET OVER YOURSELVES AND PLAY SOME BASEBALL BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

palehozenychicty
09-17-2006, 06:41 PM
One of the things I hate the most about the idea of Detroit and the Twins representing the AL Central in the playoffs is that I honestly don't think either one has a chance in hell against the Yankees.

And much as I hate the Yankees, I really, really, REALLY hate the Twins!!! :angry:

Exactly. Neither of those teams can come here (NY, where I live:D: ) and win October games. They both play hard and have character, but don't have enough firepower on their rosters to compete with the Yankees. The White Sox have the personnel to win in October, but they may not have the energy or moxie. We shall see...

DumpJerry
09-17-2006, 06:44 PM
Boz Scags put it best:
"Why don't you get it through your head? It's over! Over!"

BTW, Rowand would have swept the A's.

samram
09-17-2006, 06:51 PM
Boz Scags put it best:
"Why don't you get it through your head? It's over! Over!"

BTW, Rowand would have swept the A's.

You know, the day you realize it's over is actually worse than the day they're mathematically eliminated because by that day, it's already sunk in.

CLR01
09-17-2006, 06:51 PM
BTW, Rowand would have swept the A's.


and he would have done it twice in the same weekend.

sox647
09-17-2006, 06:51 PM
i think we have 13 games left.

it looks pretty bad but i'm not giving up. riske is giving us a little faith in the bullpen, pods is starting to come out of it a little, and BA is getting those hits. i just hope that our big guns get back in the groove fast.

there is still hope.

veeter
09-17-2006, 06:52 PM
It's odd that whenever we needed a big hit, the slumpiest guy would come to the plate. Lately it's been the dreadful Thome. Today it was Joe. Thome I've grown to love to bash. But I can't bash Joe ever. The Sox are very unlucky. But guess what, you make your own luck.

Dick Allen
09-17-2006, 07:07 PM
The Sox needed this series and wound up peeing all over themselves. As Hawk said in an interview yesterday, this team isn't hungry enough.

Cuck the Fubs
09-17-2006, 07:12 PM
It doesn't look good, but it sure as hell ain't over yet.........

Shame on all of you who have given up.

The Twins are going to win the central, but to give up on the wildcard to a Tigers team that is as up and down as we are is utterly foolish.

I still believe.....Go White Sox!

Chisox003
09-17-2006, 07:15 PM
You know, the day you realize it's over is actually worse than the day they're mathematically eliminated because by that day, it's already sunk in.
This might be true, but the day that it is mathematically over WSI might implode with predictable "I told you so" and "2007 is already over" threads.

*Some* people around here take pride in being right about something going wrong. It's sad.

captain54
09-17-2006, 07:18 PM
The Sox needed this series and wound up peeing all over themselves. As Hawk said in an interview yesterday, this team isn't hungry enough.

I'm not saying I hope this happens, but I'm so fed up after this weekend that
in the back of my mind I kind of DO hope it happens....

Maybe the Sox need to see Minnesota clinch the division or wild card during those last three games to really hit home what a wasted season this was...

I'm not talking about just the players.. Ozzie, Cooper, the whole lot of them..

Since the Boston series before the ASB we have given away so many games it's ridiculous....that comes from lack of focus and intensity....

oscars gamble
09-17-2006, 07:19 PM
Coop Will Fix It?

infohawk
09-17-2006, 07:23 PM
I'm just waiting for the game that produces the official "Well folks, looks like that's it for this season." We are very, very close to getting that post. (I write this because I think every season since 2001 -- except for last year -- has had the "well folks" post). It's become the official notice to me of a doomed season.:whiner:

palehozenychicty
09-17-2006, 07:23 PM
Since the Boston series before the ASB we have given away so many games it's ridiculous....that comes from lack of focus and intensity....

They've been doing this all year. It's just that in the second half, missed opportunities get magnified. As someone said before, it is not over yet. Detroit is not playing well either, and lost Polanco for the year. This series IS the season for the Sox. They'll be ready. I feel it.

SOXSINCE'70
09-17-2006, 07:25 PM
Boz Scags put it best:
"Why don't you get it through your head? It's over! Over!"


Or, we could take the opening of Paul Simon's "Overs",
from Simon and Garfunkel's 1968 album "Bookends".

"Why don't we stop fooling ourselves?
The game is over,over.
No good times,no bad times,
There's no times at all,just the New York Times".:(:

JB98
09-17-2006, 07:26 PM
There were two occasions in this game where Thome came up with two men on base. Blanton refused to let Thome beat him. He gave him nothing to hit, and he ended up walking Jimmy both times to load the bases. We really needed Crede to make Blanton pay for that, but Joe failed us. What happened to Clutch Crede? The back must be bothering him more than we realize because he does not look like himself.

Contreras had a base open when he faced Thomas in the fourth. Instead of refusing to let Frank beat him and just walking him, he grooved one. He paid for it, and we lost.

Blanton did a wise thing by staying away from Thome. Contreras should have done likewise and stayed away from Thomas. He didn't, and he got beat.

I'm still on the bandwagon, but I think a sweep of Detroit is imperative to keep our postseason hopes realistically alive. One more loss, and I may have to join those of you who think the season is over.

I want Mags back
09-17-2006, 07:37 PM
were done. time to pocus all attention on football. this would be the bigest choke job ever on the twins or tigers part if it were to happen. but it wont

infohawk
09-17-2006, 07:37 PM
Since the Boston series before the ASB we have given away so many games it's ridiculous....that comes from lack of focus and intensity....
My initial reaction to the season is that, as much as Detroit played over their heads, our performance regressed from last year. In other words, if Detroit runs out the same team next year, they won't be as good as they were this year. If the White Sox ran the exact same team out next year, they would probably outperform this year's team. My contention is that the starting pitching would probably be much, much better. The regression of the starting pitching is really what hurt us the most this season. It's been better lately, but the damage was already done. That said, I would like to see a new leftfielder, a less offensively challenged shortstop and, most importantly, some consistently effective middle relief.

I left out any mention of the Twins because I think they are for real this year. I don't see them advancing deep into the playoffs, but I don't think they have overachieved this year. They are about where they should be in my opinion. They have certainly been the most consistently good team in the division since 2002. Much of that is a credit to their pitching depth (primarily the bullpen) and how tough they are to beat in the Metrodome.

35th&Shields
09-17-2006, 07:41 PM
It will take a miracle for the sox to make the playoffs now. :(:

If the Sox go into Minnesota to end the season at 3.0 games behind or lower, they would need a sweep to get in. That's tough, but that's not a "miracle." We're 4 games behind Minnesota at this point.

starboy0
09-17-2006, 07:41 PM
Pathetic. Oh well, I've had bad feelings for a long time. I wonder if we wouldn't have been better off losing that 19 inning game before the All-Star break to Boston....

Someone needs to pay. I doubt anyone will. Thanks God for 2005!

I was at the 19 inning game and watched our pitchers gut it out against a lethal Boston lineup until Gooch knocked in that winning run. I floated home after that game. Thought that was THE best way to end the 1st half with a victory like that. Thought that would inspire a great 2nd half.

What a dismal let down this 2nd half has been.

DickAllen72
09-17-2006, 07:43 PM
If the Sox go into Minnesota to end the season at 3.0 games behind or lower, they would need a sweep to get in. That's tough, but that's not a "miracle." We're 4 games behind Minnesota at this point.
Like I said, it will take a miracle for the Sox to make the playoffs now.

chisoxfanatic
09-17-2006, 07:44 PM
"Summer has come and passed
The innocent can never last
wake me up when september ends"

If the Sox don't make the playoffs, they have only themselves to blame. There is no reason to have choked away the number of games they have this season. There isn't any exigency for winning here, and that's sad. Everyone but a few are to blame for this.

What a sorry effort in Oakland.

viagracat
09-17-2006, 07:47 PM
were done. time to pocus all attention on football. this would be the bigest choke job ever on the twins or tigers part if it were to happen. but it wont

It's pretty much down to needing hocus-pocus at this point. :whiner:

palehozenychicty
09-17-2006, 07:50 PM
My initial reaction to the season is that, as much as Detroit played over their heads, our performance regressed from last year. In other words, if Detroit runs out the same team next year, they won't be as good as they were this year. If the White Sox ran the exact same team out next year, they would probably outperform this year's team. .

I feel the same way, that they will be a more-rounded team next year. Looking back now after '04, 2007 is year three of the KW/OG experiment. In '05, they went for the pure form of pitching/defense/some speed. They had trouble scoring, but had enough moxie and executed well enough to get the title. So Kenny went and got Thome. Now they score more, but less consistently. The starters understandably regressed, and the bullpen/OF was not given enough attention. This offseason, they know EXACTLY what they want to be and what they need to make a well-oiled machine. This offseason will be more eventful than last, I think, regardless what happens from here on out.

QCIASOXFAN
09-17-2006, 07:52 PM
I did not watch the game but from what I am reading it was pretty much another heartbreaker. Noting surprises me anymore at this point. My only fear now is going into Minnesota for the last 3 games with noting to play for.:anon:

MadetoOrta
09-17-2006, 07:53 PM
I was at the 19 inning game and watched our pitchers gut it out against a lethal Boston lineup until Gooch knocked in that winning run. I floated home after that game. Thought that was THE best way to end the 1st half with a victory like that. Thought that would inspire a great 2nd half.

What a dismal let down this 2nd half has been.

That's my point. Instead of going into the ASB with people getting all over them about being swept, they got a reprieve, showed up in NY not ready to play and have been reeling ever since.

batmanZoSo
09-17-2006, 07:56 PM
That's my point. Instead of going into the ASB with people getting all over them about being swept, they got a reprieve, showed up in NY not ready to play and have been reeling ever since.

Yeah, if only we'd lost that 19 inning game. :rolleyes:

BeviBall!
09-17-2006, 07:59 PM
Ozzie should've let them watch football. Maybe after watching the Bears they might remember what it's like to win a game.

palehozenychicty
09-17-2006, 08:00 PM
Ozzie should've let them watch football. Maybe after watching the Bears they might remember what it's like to win a game.

:rolling:

MadetoOrta
09-17-2006, 08:02 PM
Yeah, if only we'd lost that 19 inning game. :rolleyes:

I know I'm fishing but we careened out of the gate after the ASB. What was our record after the ASB? 2-10 I believe. We went from 6.5 up in the Wild Card to a virtual deadheat in a week. We've sputtered ever since.

JB98
09-17-2006, 08:04 PM
I know I'm fishing but we careened out of the gate after the ASB. What was our record after the ASB? 2-10 I believe. We went from 6.5 up in the Wild Card to a virtual deadheat in a week. We've sputtered ever since.

27-34 since the All-Star break. It's quite a stretch to say the 19-inning game was any factor, but boy, this team hasn't been mediocre in the second half. They've just been plain old bad.

DickAllen72
09-17-2006, 08:09 PM
I feel the same way, that they will be a more-rounded team next year. Looking back now after '04, 2007 is year three of the KW/OG experiment. In '05, they went for the pure form of pitching/defense/some speed. They had trouble scoring, but had enough moxie and executed well enough to get the title. So Kenny went and got Thome. Now they score more, but less consistently. The starters understandably regressed, and the bullpen/OF was not given enough attention. This offseason, they know EXACTLY what they want to be and what they need to make a well-oiled machine. This offseason will be more eventful than last, I think, regardless what happens from here on out.

Ozzie seemed to have no regard for outfield defense this year. That was one of the team's biggest downfalls. It put more pressure on the pitching as well as the offense.

kitekrazy
09-17-2006, 08:28 PM
You know, the day you realize it's over is actually worse than the day they're mathematically eliminated because by that day, it's already sunk in.

What's worse is dealing with White Sox withdrawal. I just hope it doesn't come in early Oct.

kitekrazy
09-17-2006, 08:34 PM
We absolutely have to go 7-0 or at the very minimum, 6-1 on this homestand. Either way, a sweep of Detroit is necessary if we want to make the playoffs.

If I'm the Sox I don't want to be at home. One loss and the fans will be all over them.

KyWhiSoxFan
09-17-2006, 08:38 PM
Our only hope now is to go to a four-man rotation and put Vazquez in the bullpen. I think he's great for for a couple of innings. If he can do that effectively three times a week, he would be a huge improvement over the human sieves we have coming in out of the pen the last three weeks. Let Vazquez pitch the seventh and eighth.

soxinem1
09-17-2006, 08:39 PM
Gload should be in the starting lineup every game for the rest of the season.

I second that, put him in LF and leave BA in CF.

Dan H
09-17-2006, 08:40 PM
It is one thing to be optimistic; it is another to be delusional. During the past week, the Sox lost 5 out of 7 including two one run defeats.

About Frank Thomas: he it a home run, so what. Anyone could have hit that pitch Contreras grooved. On inside half, no speed, no movement. Contreras has been doing that a lot this season.

The Sox have three guys with 100 RBIs and Crede has 93. Scoring runs and hitting homers have not been the problem. Playing smart baseball has been a big problem like Gload running the Sox out of an inning in the first. Of course it would have helped if Crede could have drove the ball.

There is no way this team is going to sweep Detroit. I guess there is hope but there can't be much. I still think this season ended some time ago.

kitekrazy
09-17-2006, 08:56 PM
About Frank Thomas: he it a home run, so what. Anyone could have hit that pitch Contreras grooved. On inside half, no speed, no movement. Contreras has been doing that a lot this season.


I don't know why the didn't walk him. Some of those players seen that when he was wearing a Sox uniform. That was the turning point of the game.

100 Year Itch
09-17-2006, 09:27 PM
The key to this game, and all season actually, was the inability to hold a lead.

I don't have the numbers but I'm curious about how many leads the Sox have blown this year and whether the number is a statistical "abnormality".

Last year the team scored early and held onto the lead. This year the leads are squandered, often a half inning after obtaining then.

Lip Man 1
09-17-2006, 09:32 PM
Dan:

For what it's worth the AP recap of the game specifically said Ozzie chose to pitch to Frank with first base open and a 'slumping' Eric Chavez on deck. Don't know if it's true or not, just stating what the story said.

I could easily see Ozzie doing that though based on the 'righty - righty' match-up garbage vs. a righty-lefty one.

Lip

35th&Shields
09-17-2006, 10:32 PM
Like I said, it will take a miracle for the Sox to make the playoffs now.

I guess we each have a different definition of "miracle." To me a miracle is an act of intervention by God on earth, not the actions of 9 guys on a playing field. I wouldn't mind an act of God at this point, though.

100 Year Itch
09-17-2006, 11:32 PM
The Sox are so predictable. If they don't score five runs, the odds are they're going to lose.

Games they've won / lost when scoring five or less / five or more runs:

9/11 W 3-2 v Angels
9/01 L 5-7 v Royals
8/26 L 7-8 v Twins
8/19 W 4-1 v Twins
8/12 W 4-3 v Tigers
8/09 L 6-7 v Yankees
7/30 L 7-8 v Orioles
7/14 L 5-6 v Yankees
------------------------------ ASB
7/08 L 6-9 v Red Rox
7/05 w 4-2 v Orioles
7/02 L 11-15 v Cubs
6/29 L 6-7 v Pirates
6/28 W 4-3 v Pirates
6/27 W 4-2 v Pirates
6/25 L 9-10 v Astros
6/22 W 1-0 v Cardinals
6/11 L 8-10 v Indians
6/10 W 4-3 v Indians
6/07 W 4-3 v Tigers
6/06 W 4-3 v Tigers
6/01 L 8-13 v Indians
5/24 W 3-2 v A's
5/16 L 7-10 v Devil Rays
5/10 L 5-12 v Angels
5/07 W 3-2 v Royals
5/04 W 4-1 v Mariners
4/29 W 2-1 v Angels
4/19 W 4-0 v Royals
4/18 W 4-1 v Royals
4/15 W 4-2 v Blue Jays
4/14 L 7-13 v Blue Jays
4/12 W 4-3 v Tigers
4/09 W 3-1 v Royals
4/07 L 7-11 v Royals

CYGarland20
09-18-2006, 02:25 AM
It's still not over. I still believe. It's getting harder and harder, but I believe in my heart of hearts that this team has one more run left in it. We win Monday.
I would love to believe as much as all of you optimists, but let's be real here, we HAVE to sweep Detroit if we have ANY chance at ALL of getting into the playoffs. And even if we do that, I still won't be very confident we will get in anyway.......... This team has been BEYOND disappointing in the 2nd half to say the least. Watching them has been as painful as getting my teeth pulled without novacaine. I have been waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for them to go on an extended winning streak and.........................NADA! Right now I am at the brink of throwing in the towel, and unless we sweep Detroit, I will be.

PKalltheway
09-18-2006, 02:54 AM
My only comment is that this has gone beyond a statistical oddity. This is just FRIGGIN' EMBARRASSING.

Period. End of story.

I am sick and damn tired of looking at the schedule every friggin' season and automatically putting down an L by every game in Oakland.



Lip
I am too. They're 4-23 in Oakland since 2001. Geez...and I thought that the Twins were horrible in New York (4-14 since 2001). The Sox NEED to sweep Detroit to have a chance, and I think it can be done. It's a long shot, but I think it can be done. If they sweep Detroit, the Tigers will likely fall out of first (depending on how the Twins do). If the Tigers fall out of first, I think it will lead to a monumental meltdown, and that's when the Sox can HOPEFULLY make their move.

Grzegorz
09-18-2006, 04:46 AM
Our only hope now is to go to a four-man rotation and put Vazquez in the bullpen. I think he's great for for a couple of innings.

I do not feel that way. I believe Ozzie blew the 9/16 game with the A's because of him pulling Vasquez after the Thomas HR.

Vasquez is not the problem and throwing him in the pen, as suited as he might be physically, might be detrimental mentally.

HerzogVon
09-18-2006, 07:28 AM
Not only has the Fat Lady sung, she has defecated and left the building.

It is now up to Kenny "The Gardener" Williams to take this aggregation of talent and reassemble it into something resembling the TEAM that won in 2005. He may wish to start by firing himself.

harwar
09-18-2006, 08:04 AM
Ramblings of an insane White sox fan ...
The perimeters are collapsing and we are being overrun.Its time to call in an air-strike as we fallback to a defendable position.
The regular starters seem to have given up and they act tired and apathetic.
Osuna plays for Iguchi(who seems totally drained),put Mack in left,Gload plays 1st,Konerko is dh.They may lose but at least they will show some life.
Thome has been hurt since before the break,with his back hurting so bad he can barely swing the bat.You add the wrist and leg problems and you have Rob Deer.The guy has guts but i'd be shocked if the same didn't happen again next year.
The McCarthy bullpen experiment has been a disaster and the kid hasn't been the same since he gave up that big hit in Boston.The sooner he is in the rotation the better.Either leave him in Charlotte or put him with the starters on the big club or he will be ruined.
We still have a pretty good record but something has to be done because next year our division is going to be even tougher,with KC and the tribe getting better.
Oh my soul,your voyages have been my native land ..

Shift
09-18-2006, 08:50 AM
http://www.zenwaiter.com/photos/indexnew/fat%20lady%20sings.jpg

JB98
09-18-2006, 12:07 PM
What's worse is dealing with White Sox withdrawal. I just hope it doesn't come in early Oct.

Honestly, if we don't make the playoffs, I won't go through White Sox withdrawal this year. I'll be relieved the damn season is over. It's been quite a drain for me to watch this team die a little more each and every day.

Lip Man 1
09-18-2006, 12:42 PM
JB:

VERY well said.

Lip

GoGoSoxReborn
09-18-2006, 12:47 PM
I agree... it has been a drain to watch them win 3 and then lose 2 on a pretty consistant basis. I can't believe we didn't have a streak of 10 or more wins this year. It's hard to believe that any given pitcher on our staff could go out and throw a no-no or give up 7 ER in 3 innings. Pretty draining... I guess the only brightside is that we didn't under perform as badly as the Indians.


As sad as it will be if we don't make the playoffs, I think the story this year is how good the AL Central truly is. The twins and tigers are two great teams and if we win 95 games and miss the playoffs, I guess you have to tip your cap.

Hopefully we go all out and see the fire and intensity this team had in October last year!

Lip Man 1
09-18-2006, 12:54 PM
GoGo:

If the Sox finish with 95 wins it will be a miracle.

Lip

Nellie_Fox
09-18-2006, 03:01 PM
It has been a drain to watch them win 3 and then lose 2 on a pretty consistant basis.Had they actually done that since the AS break, they'd be in outstanding shape right now. Unfortunately, it's been more like win 2, lose 3 than the other way around.

slobes
09-18-2006, 04:38 PM
I've been on a retreat since Friday and could not watch any of the Sox/A's series. This can be seen as either a good thing or a bad thing. Still gotta believe we got a chance though.