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kevingrt
09-13-2006, 10:27 PM
I know this is lost in Garcia's awesome game, but in the middle innings Tadahito made the worst baserunning move I have ever seen in my 15+ years of watching baseball. He stopped between 3rd and home, completely stopped. Does anyone know what happened?

I know this belongs in the game thread but this is a weird/important enough topic for its own thread.

What the hell was Gooch thinking on that play? And I know many of you know what I am talking about.

DickAllen72
09-13-2006, 10:34 PM
I know this is lost in Garcia's awesome game, but in the middle innings Tadahito made the worst baserunning move I have ever seen in my 15+ years of watching baseball. He stopped between 3rd and home, completely stopped. Does anyone know what happened?

I know this belongs in the game thread but this is a weird/important enough topic for its own thread.

What the hell was Gooch thinking on that play? And I know many of you know what I am talking about.

I'd like to know what he was thinking as well. Also, earlier in the game he did not seem to run hard on a double that both Hawk on TV and Farmer & Singleton on the radio thought should have been a triple.

I wonder if Tadahito got some bad news from home, or if he was sick or something. Today was certainly out of character for him.

Couple that with Podsednik slowing down to a jog on a failed steal of third last night and Brian Anderson jogging after a ball in the outfield the other day and this becomes a worrisome and puzzling trend.

zach074
09-13-2006, 10:40 PM
I think the problem was he wasn't thinking.

23Ventura
09-13-2006, 10:45 PM
I don't know. That is one of the strangest baserunning plays I've ever seen. Actually, that IS the strangest baserunning play I've ever seen. He had no reason to stop. It's actually kind of funny now that the games over and it didn't cost us. Why would he stop?

102605
09-13-2006, 10:47 PM
I think he had concerns about the over/under.

jenn2080
09-13-2006, 10:48 PM
i think he may have not realized it was not caught

DickAllen72
09-13-2006, 10:49 PM
i think he may have not realized it was caught
:?: Huh?

23Ventura
09-13-2006, 10:52 PM
i think he may have not realized it was caught
You mean he may have thought that it was caught?

Chips
09-13-2006, 10:53 PM
i think he may have not realized it was caught

Who's on first? :tongue:

DumpJerry
09-13-2006, 10:55 PM
He suddenly realized that he told Cora "Freddy has a perfect game going!" and just freaked out over the possibility he might have jinxed the whole thing.....

Unregistered
09-13-2006, 10:58 PM
Is it possible Iguchi thought there were less than 2 outs and thought maybe it was caught and tried to kind of run back? I didn't see where PK hit it, but I did watch just in time to catch Iguchi looking like a deer in headlights and standing about 10 feet from home before jogging to third where Thome was standing. It was kinda like watching really young kids playing in little league.

The Angels broadcast also replayed it with a split screen of PK with his hands in the air doing a "***?!" and Ozzie going ballistic and flailing his arms around trying to tell Iguchi to run home. Crede was at home waving him in, too - the more I type, the more I don't know what the hell Iguchi must've been thinking... :dunno:

bahn1225
09-13-2006, 11:02 PM
I think he had concerns about the over/under.
I knew someone else would bring this up.
I was watching an interview with Iguchi on Japanese television earlier this week.
Although I do not understand the language I clearly heard Tadahito use the word
"SASH" in a sentence.
I think we all know what that means. . .

BiggestFan14
09-13-2006, 11:23 PM
His team was winning by seven runs, maybe he just wanted to make it interesting? :?:

Myrtle72
09-13-2006, 11:24 PM
Gooch is pretty lucky that Freddy threw such an awesome game and that no one really cares about his mistake.

Dan Mega
09-13-2006, 11:27 PM
I think he just had a momentary lapse of reason. We've all had that at some points in our lives, where we do something then think "oh wait, what the hell am I doing?"

Vernam
09-13-2006, 11:36 PM
I think he just had a momentary lapse of reason. We've all had that at some points in our lives, where we do something then think "oh wait, what the hell am I doing?"Often, those moments happen right here at WSI. :redneck

The only thing that makes sense (maybe) is if he thought the ball was caught for the third out. Knowing the game outcome in advance of watching it, I thought that play was one of the funniest things I've seen. Hawk's reaction was priceless -- you could hear him muttering as they went to commercial. DJ was cutting Iguchi slack, but Harrelson reserved judgment until the win got logged.

Vernam

StillMissOzzie
09-14-2006, 01:17 AM
I knew someone else would bring this up.
I was watching an interview with Iguchi on Japanese television earlier this week.
Although I do not understand the language I clearly heard Tadahito use the word
"SASH" in a sentence.
I think we all know what that means. . .

No, I don't have a clue. What does "SASH" mean in Japanese?

SMO
:?:

OzzyTrain
09-14-2006, 02:25 AM
Iguchi got high before the game with Freddy for the first time, after he passed Cora he had no clue what was going on, besides Cora looked like an ommpas-loompas

WhiteSox1983
09-14-2006, 02:37 AM
I was at the game, i had no clue what happened cuz i assumed he scored and i was watching thome on third.

Myrtle72
09-14-2006, 04:40 AM
Iguchi got high before the game with Freddy for the first time, after he passed Cora he had no clue what was going on, besides Cora looked like an ommpas-loompas

Well...

Maybe Freddy should get high more often.

soxinem1
09-14-2006, 08:18 AM
I'd like to know what he was thinking as well. Also, earlier in the game he did not seem to run hard on a double that both Hawk on TV and Farmer & Singleton on the radio thought should have been a triple.

I wonder if Tadahito got some bad news from home, or if he was sick or something. Today was certainly out of character for him.

Couple that with Podsednik slowing down to a jog on a failed steal of third last night and Brian Anderson jogging after a ball in the outfield the other day and this becomes a worrisome and puzzling trend.

Since we have not experience any real Royce Clayton-type days with Iguchi yet, he should get the benefit of the doubt this time that he just had his HUHA.

Law11
09-14-2006, 09:50 AM
I think he had concerns about the over/under.

Thats what went through my mind as well..
hawk went nuts... "What the Hell was Tadihito thinking?"
Cracked me up. You could hear hawk as it went to break...

soxfan13
09-14-2006, 09:51 AM
i think he may have not realized it was not caught

and when there are no hits its called a no-hitter:cool:

soxfan13
09-14-2006, 09:54 AM
Often, those moments happen right here at WSI. :redneck

The only thing that makes sense (maybe) is if he thought the ball was caught for the third out. Knowing the game outcome in advance of watching it, I thought that play was one of the funniest things I've seen. Hawk's reaction was priceless -- you could hear him muttering as they went to commercial. DJ was cutting Iguchi slack, but Harrelson reserved judgment until the win got logged.

Vernam

I think that he didnt know how many outs there were. If he knew there were 2 outs he should have been across the plate already. That is joey job to remind the players of the situation.I think Gooch thought there was one out ran down the line and thought the ball got caught. Then all hell broke loose in his head:smile:

viagracat
09-14-2006, 09:56 AM
Thats what went through my mind as well..
hawk went nuts... "What the Hell was Tadihito thinking?"
Cracked me up. You could hear hawk as it went to break...

Yes, it was the strangest baserunning I've ever seen...I mean ever, and I've watched baseball for 40 years. Gooch clearly didn't have his head in the game the whole day. And I agree, Harrelson's reaction was absolutely priceless. Good thing the game was already in hand; else this thread would have a distinctly different tone to it.

0o0o0
09-14-2006, 10:05 AM
I still haven't seen the play, but I've heard both the tv and radio calls. Pretty damn funny, only because it turned out not to matter.

INSox56
09-14-2006, 10:30 AM
Anybody see Ozzie in the bottom half? There were already two outs in the bottom half and they shot to Ozzie, I saw a couple mother f's in there and he was throwing stuff on the ground (seeds and whatnot). It was hilarious how pissed he still was. The shot on him as it was happening was amazingly hilarious. I was actually pretty surprised he didn't yank Igu for the rest of the game.

CaptainBallz
09-14-2006, 10:31 AM
I knew someone else would bring this up.
I was watching an interview with Iguchi on Japanese television earlier this week.
Although I do not understand the language I clearly heard Tadahito use the word
"SASH" in a sentence.
I think we all know what that means. . .

Why in the hell would anybody know what that means...?

Main Entry: 1sash http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?sash0001.wav=sash'))
Pronunciation: 'sash
Function: noun
Etymology: Arabic shAsh muslin
: a band worn about the waist or over one shoulder and used as a dress accessory or the emblem of an honorary or military order
- sashed http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?sash0002.wav=sashed')) /'sasht/ adjective

or

Main Entry: 2sash
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural sash also sash∑es
Etymology: probably modification of French ch‚ssis chassis (taken as plural)
: the framework in which panes of glass are set in a window or door; also : such a framework together with its panes forming a usually movable part of a window

I'm still lost...

miker
09-14-2006, 10:35 AM
Since we have not experience any real Royce Clayton-type days with Iguchi yet, he should get the benefit of the doubt this time that he just had his HUHA.
Good point. When Iguchi makes a mistake, he doesn't tell reporters how good he was the rest of the game.

I think he just had a real bad day and I think he'll find a way to make up for it.

Did anyone else think Hawk was going to have a stroke after the second gaffe?

ws05champs
09-14-2006, 10:39 AM
Gooch clearly didn't have his head in the game the whole day.
That coupled with everyone yelling at him in English (and probably Spanish), "Go home, run you ****ing idiot!!!" sounded to him like "Blah, blah, blah blah ****ing blah!!!!"

hawkjt
09-14-2006, 11:12 AM
Like I said in the postgame thread- I thought that Iguchi was sick and became disoriented or something.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt since we won.

I did see PK go over to Tadahito and pat him on the back in the dugout after that inning. Cost PK a RBI but I am sure the captain knows you stay positive -screw individual stats.

I though tadahito was tiring the last few weeks with a slow bat but he has bounced back the last couple of days- maybe his second wind. We need his clutch bat.

chaerulez
09-14-2006, 11:27 AM
Iguchi has made a few stupid baserunning mistakes in the past couple weeks, he should be sat down so he learns he needs to regain focus. What if the game was tied? What would we be saying now?

mrfourni
09-14-2006, 11:29 AM
That coupled with everyone yelling at him in English (and probably Spanish), "Go home, run you ****ing idiot!!!" sounded to him like "Blah, blah, blah blah ****ing blah!!!!"


Good point, I never thought of that. I still think it was a dumb play, but I know if people started yelling at me in a foreign language, I might freeze too. I'm sure people were yelling at him from every direction he didn't understand most, if not all of it and he just had a brain fart.

mrfourni
09-14-2006, 11:34 AM
he should be sat down so he learns he needs to regain focus.


Let's not get crazy over this. There's 18 games left, I don't think now is the time to sit down our everyday second baseman, who outside of a couple baserunning mistakes has been one of our most consistent players over the last two years in order to regain focus. If this team isn't focused by now, we are in trouble.

CaptainBallz
09-14-2006, 11:50 AM
If this team isn't focused by now, we are in trouble.

:mg: :unsure: :anon:

stl_sox_fan
09-14-2006, 02:09 PM
I missed that part of the game and just saw the replay on whitesox.com. Wow. That play will no doubtedly be in Naked Gun 44 1/4 during one of the baseball scenes.

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/images/nakedgun6.jpg

Domeshot17
09-14-2006, 02:39 PM
It is clear what had happened.

Tadahito looked for his sign from joey cora, turned his head and as he was heading home saw the most shocking thing he had ever seen, confusing, stunning, it had already left many in the same state of mind

he saw

TheLightGundam

it was all over after that

......the search continues

eriqjaffe
09-14-2006, 02:43 PM
Here, I have a transcript of what was going through Iguchi's head:


























oops!

bahn1225
09-14-2006, 02:49 PM
I knew someone else would bring this up.
I was watching an interview with Iguchi on Japanese television earlier this week.
Although I do not understand the language I clearly heard Tadahito use the word
"SASH" in a sentence.
I think we all know what that means. . .


Boy!
You do a little tongue in cheek joke involving White Sox history and nobody gets it.
Anyone remember that whole "Black Sox" deal?
(How could you not; it's all the national press talked about last year)

Any who, the way that the gamblers knew the fix was in
they were to receive a telegram or text message with the word
"SASH"
contained in the body of the telegram.
Someone else had stated something to the effect that Tadahito was concerned about the over/under.
That's a gambling reference.
So I added what I thought was a famous and well known gambling reference
and apparently no one got the joke.

maurice
09-14-2006, 03:06 PM
It looked like he saw Crede giving him the "you don't have to slide" signal and got really, really confused.

It's been a bad couple of weeks for Sox baserunning: Iguchi stops before reaching home for no apparent reason, Podsednik stops before reaching 3B on a steal attempt, Dye gets caught off 2B on consecutive days, etc.

MVP
09-14-2006, 04:17 PM
Here's what I think he must have been thinking:
He though there were two outs when he was on second base so when the ball was hit he simply ran without checking to see whether the outfielder would catch it. He probably thought the ball would be caught by the outfielder.
He got half way around third and saw the rightfielder lob the ball towards second. He thought to himself that he must have forgot that there was only one out instead of two and that the right fielder was trying to double him off at second.

Zisk77
09-14-2006, 05:03 PM
I think he was coming around third when realized he left the Iron on at home. Then he realized he doesn't own an iron. Then is next thought was where am I., followed by MOMMA!

slobes
09-14-2006, 05:49 PM
I don't know. That is one of the strangest baserunning plays I've ever seen. Actually, that IS the strangest baserunning play I've ever seen. He had no reason to stop. It's actually kind of funny now that the games over and it didn't cost us. Why would he stop?

My 5-7-3 putout begs to differ.

wsoxfan111
09-14-2006, 05:56 PM
That was so odd.

AND, on Tuesday, Podsednik had another bonehead move, he just slowed down completely on a stolen base, when he easily could of stole that bag.

What was he thinking?

Could he not hear what Cora, Guillen, Walker, Raines, Baines, Cooper, Thome (on third), and everyone else in the White Sox dugout yelling.

You would think that after 2 years in the US, he should at least know what "GO GO GO, RUN RUN RUN" means.

23Ventura
09-14-2006, 06:09 PM
My 5-7-3 putout begs to differ.
oh yeah, forgot about that one. Well, this is right up there.

doublem23
09-14-2006, 06:56 PM
:iguchi:
If my crazy, parallel to the ground throw didn't get me on Baseball Tonight, this will!

Vernam
09-14-2006, 09:24 PM
That coupled with everyone yelling at him in English (and probably Spanish), "Go home, run you ****ing idiot!!!" sounded to him like "Blah, blah, blah blah ****ing blah!!!!"No disrespect to Tadahito, but do you mean something like this?

http://www.w3.org/2005/Talks/0623-sb-IEEEStorConf/farside3.gif

:D:

Vernam

greektortoise
09-14-2006, 09:52 PM
from nikkan sports newspaper
rough translation of tadahito's comment
"when he was rounding third, joey wasn't waiving his hand around, so he thought the ball was caught. So he slowed down "

BA: The Hitman
09-14-2006, 09:56 PM
The only thing I can think of is that he looked and saw the right fielder with his ball in his glove and didn't see the ball bounce, but that is still the most bizzare baserunning blunder I've ever seen. I thought Hawk was going to lose his mind after that happened. Thankfully Freddy was dealing and it didn't cost us, except for those gamblers who bet the over in the game which was 9 and a half.

ws05champs
09-15-2006, 10:12 AM
No disrespect to Tadahito, but do you mean something like this?:D:

Yes. That is exactly the cartoon I was thinking of when I wrote my reply.