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tony1972
09-10-2006, 01:32 AM
I think both the Twins and the Sox pass the Tigers before season's end..

The pressure is really on the Tigers and although they have those six games remaining with the Royals - the Royals are playing good baseball lately....

I just feel more confident the Sox make up the 3.5 game deficit against the Tigers but not the half game against the Twins..the Twins ARE a good team as well as the White Sox but the Tigers are falling hard under pressure..

Maybe we beat both and win the division...but I think we pass at least one team and I think that team is the Tigers..

Patrick134
09-10-2006, 01:37 AM
I think both the Twins and the Sox pass the Tigers before season's end..

The pressure is really on the Tigers and although they have those six games remaining with the Royals - the Royals are playing good baseball lately....

I just feel more confident the Sox make up the 3.5 game deficit against the Tigers but not the half game against the Twins..the Twins ARE a good team as well as the White Sox but the Tigers are falling hard under pressure..

Maybe we beat both and win the division...but I think we pass at least one team and I think that team is the Tigers..


While the twins are good, the sox are good as well. .5 is nothing to make up, especially when their rotation is a mess after santana.

Kub_Killer_15
09-10-2006, 01:49 AM
I also think that Detriot is going home for October. Minnesota seems unstopable against the central divison lately. Detriot is 3-7 in their last 10 games if I can remember correctly. The tigers were due for a slump and they hit it at the wrong time. But this is going to go down to the last series.

TheOldRoman
09-10-2006, 01:50 AM
Throw out our bullpen performance tonight. Unless it woke up Cleveland's bats and they win tomorrow, it is meaningless for us. McCarthy has been mediocre at best, but other than him, Cotts is the only one in our regular 6 man pen that I don't trust. Logan, Haeger, and Hermanson won't be pitching that much.

Our starting pitching has been A LOT better this past week. Our offense actually looked like an offense last night, and tonight they did their job - manhandled a ****ty pitcher. IF we have turned the corner, and I hope AJ's walkoff was the turning point, we will win the division. If the Sox start hitting better, and their starters continue to throw gems, nobody will top us.

I agree with you, though, about Minnesota being tougher than Detroit. We have three more at home with the Tigers, and we will take at least 2 if we are playing good baseball then. The Tigers are circling the drain right now. I don't think we will go down to the wire with Detroit. I could see the last three in Minnesota determining who gets the WC and who gets the division.

Patrick134
09-10-2006, 01:53 AM
Throw out our bullpen performance tonight. Unless it woke up Cleveland's bats and they win tomorrow, it is meaningless for us. McCarthy has been mediocre at best, but other than him, Cotts is the only one in our regular 6 man pen that I don't trust. Logan, Haeger, and Hermanson won't be pitching that much.

Our starting pitching has been A LOT better this past week. Our offense actually looked like an offense last night, and tonight they did their job - manhandled a ****ty pitcher. IF we have turned the corner, and I hope AJ's walkoff was the turning point, we will win the division. If the Sox start hitting better, and their starters continue to throw gems, nobody will top us.

I agree with you, though, about Minnesota being tougher than Detroit. We have three more at home with the Tigers, and we will take at least 2 if we are playing good baseball then. The Tigers are circling the drain right now. I don't think we will go down to the wire with Detroit. I could see the last three in Minnesota determining who gets the WC and who gets the division.

Great point , Logan definitely won't pitch in the post season, and i doubt hermy will much.

chisox06
09-10-2006, 02:02 AM
I think the whole wild card here (pun intended) is the health of Liriano. All signs are pointing to a return against Oakland on Wednesday. If he's as effective as he was before his injury then Santana, Liriano and their bullpen should carry that team to October. As for the Tigers I tend to agree that they are very catchable, they couldn't have picked a worse time to start slumping.

tony1972
09-10-2006, 02:03 AM
I am going to be attacked for this..but I will really feel for the Tigers and their fans if they don't make it (althogh I'll be happy for the Sox)..

You notice how when you go to games in other cities you see how fanbases are similar and alike (much like Cubs and Red Sox fans think they are because of their curses..the lovableness of losing, etc.). The Tigers fans I met were just so similar to Sox fans. They were hard working, VERY baseball knowlegable, not wanting to go to support losing..but proud of their team when they are playing well, etc. They were also very nice and not obnoxious like Twins fans and other fans, etc.

I hope it is the White Sox and the Tigers (WC) and not the Twins. If the Sox somehow didn't make it I would pull greatly for the Tigers in the playoffs.

I almost hope Detroit just not choke just because it is an area put down upon and looked down upon like the Southside is. I hope the Twins choke insead.

Does anyone know what I mean..or am I just rambling?:D:

batmanZoSo
09-10-2006, 02:08 AM
IF we have turned the corner, and I hope AJ's walkoff was the turning point, we will win the division. If the Sox start hitting better, and their starters continue to throw gems, nobody will top us.


That's right. If the April and June Sox show up, we're going all the way. But this team's been mediocre more than they've been great. On the other hand, the AJ homer could very well be the thing we've been looking for. We'll see.

Detroit's lived up to the law of averages thing after us wondering for a long time when they were gonna finally hit the skids and I still expect the Twins to do the same. I believe they owe the baseball gods a little bit for that incredible run they had. They may prove me wrong and they've impressed me lately, but I'll believe they can overcome the state of their rotation when I see it.

I say us and Detroit make the playoffs. What order, I don't know. We'll know a lot more about that when we play them next Monday.

batmanZoSo
09-10-2006, 02:12 AM
I am going to be attacked for this..but I will really feel for the Tigers and their fans if they don't make it (althogh I'll be happy for the Sox)..

You notice how when you go to games in other cities you see how fanbases are similar and alike (much like Cubs and Red Sox fans think they are because of their curses..the lovableness of losing, etc.). The Tigers fans I met were just so similar to Sox fans. They were hard working, VERY baseball knowlegable, not wanting to go to support losing..but proud of their team when they are playing well, etc. They were also very nice and not obnoxious like Twins fans and other fans, etc.

I hope it is the White Sox and the Tigers (WC) and not the Twins. If the Sox somehow didn't make it I would pull greatly for the Tigers in the playoffs.

I almost hope Detroit just not choke just because it is an area put down upon and looked down upon like the Southside is. I hope the Twins choke insead.

Does anyone know what I mean..or am I just rambling?:D:

I agree. Detroit is a great, historic franchise that's been just brutal for the previous 15 some odd years. You have to say their fans are among the most deserving in baseball to see at least a playoff series, for whatever that's worth.

chisoxfanatic
09-10-2006, 02:21 AM
I think the whole wild card here (pun intended) is the health of Liriano. All signs are pointing to a return against Oakland on Wednesday.

I've heard the return date would be Friday. But, in all reality, he might have to pitch in the bullpen before returning to the rotation.

Lip Man 1
09-10-2006, 03:11 AM
Patrick:

'Boof' seems to be doing a pretty fair imitation of a pitcher the last month in case you haven't noticed.

And remember the Tigers favorite 'whipping boys,' the Royals come calling six more times. (While the Sox of course have a west coast swing next week...)

Lip

CYGarland20
09-10-2006, 04:34 AM
Patrick:

'Boof' seems to be doing a pretty fair imitation of a pitcher the last month in case you haven't noticed.

And remember the Tigers favorite 'whipping boys,' the Royals come calling six more times. (While the Sox of course have a west coast swing next week...)

LipAnd don't forget that KC lost Teahen for the season............. This thing is definitely going down to the wire, and i have a feeling it may go down to the last day(God forbid).....

doublem23
09-10-2006, 04:53 AM
The A.L. Central will finish like this...

1) White Sox (best record in baseball)
2) Twins
3) Tigers

A.L. Wild Card
1) Twins
2) Tigers
3) Red Sox

White Sox smoke Oakland 3-0 in ALDS. Johan Santana tosses a perfect game against the Yankees in Game 1 of the ALDS. Francisco Liriano starts game two, only for tragedy to strike in the form of his arm completely falling off at the elbow. The Yankees procede to score an average of 33.3 runs a game over the next 3 games and beat Minnesota, 3-1 in the ALDS Part Deux, only to have blown their wad early. The Sox then sweep both the Yankees and Mets in the ALCS and World Series respectively, effectively depantsing the city of New York and we all get to go to another parade down LaSalle St.

Grzegorz
09-10-2006, 05:52 AM
Screw the Twins; if the White Sox finish second and get the wildcard here's to the Tigers taking the division.

I think that many are throwing dirt on the Tigers a little too early.

Chips
09-10-2006, 07:00 AM
I agree. Detroit is a great, historic franchise that's been just brutal for the previous 15 some odd years. You have to say their fans are among the most deserving in baseball to see at least a playoff series, for whatever that's worth.

I don't want them to see a playoff series ever.

HerzogVon
09-10-2006, 07:16 AM
I am going to be attacked for this..but I will really feel for the Tigers and their fans if they don't make it (althogh I'll be happy for the Sox)..

You notice how when you go to games in other cities you see how fanbases are similar and alike (much like Cubs and Red Sox fans think they are because of their curses..the lovableness of losing, etc.). The Tigers fans I met were just so similar to Sox fans. They were hard working, VERY baseball knowlegable, not wanting to go to support losing..but proud of their team when they are playing well, etc. They were also very nice and not obnoxious like Twins fans and other fans, etc.

I hope it is the White Sox and the Tigers (WC) and not the Twins. If the Sox somehow didn't make it I would pull greatly for the Tigers in the playoffs.

I almost hope Detroit just not choke just because it is an area put down upon and looked down upon like the Southside is. I hope the Twins choke insead.

Does anyone know what I mean..or am I just rambling?:D:

Not bad for rambling. The Twins and their "Mineesota" fans are such sanctimonious twits! ( "Ve live on Lake Superior, ya? Dat moose mean ve ISS superior!" ) Prejudice aside, if we beat out the Twinkies it means we won't have to face them in the playoffs.*


*Yeah, I know how I voted! Just supposin'......

FarWestChicago
09-10-2006, 08:25 AM
Patrick:

'Boof' seems to be doing a pretty fair imitation of a pitcher the last month in case you haven't noticed.

And remember the Tigers favorite 'whipping boys,' the Royals come calling six more times. (While the Sox of course have a west coast swing next week...)

Lip:darkcloud:

harwar
09-10-2006, 08:54 AM
I've heard the return date would be Friday. But, in all reality, he might have to pitch in the bullpen before returning to the rotation. He did his rehab last night and will make a 50 or 60 pitch start soon. Anyway you cut it we will get Liriano,the Boofster,or Radke(brought along slowly just for us),and Santana(slated to pitch the sunday game).
I would like to have a 3 game lead on the twins before that series as they play the royals on the thursday before(our off day).
I would like to see the tigers as the wild card because i just hate the ****ing twins.

sox1970
09-10-2006, 11:28 AM
I don't know who to root for anymore. I just want the Sox to win 15 more games. That should get them in. It would be interesting if the Sox went 5-2; the Twins go 5-3; and the Tigers go 1-5 between now and next Sunday. All three teams would be tied with two weeks and 13 games left. The playoff picture will be a lot clearer when they get back from Oakland.

Here's hoping they have a good enough trip to keep them close. :gulp:

slobes
09-10-2006, 11:34 AM
While it really doesn't matter to me and the only thing I care about is the Sox making it in, I've been saying for a t least a month that the Tigers are gonna be the ones watching the playoffs on tv. They've finally cooled off and have been playing terrible baseball for the past 15 or 20 games.

esbrechtel
09-11-2006, 09:07 AM
i believe the twins are going to make the playoffs....im not saying they will win the division, but i do think they are going to make the playoffs....hopefully the sox also get in...

Lip Man 1
09-11-2006, 01:13 PM
For what it's worth. This comes from Phil Rogers' column today:

It's something we have all dreaded the past month.

"The Twins' plans call for Liriano, Boof Bonser and Santana to work in that season-ending series."

:?:

Lip

FielderJones
09-11-2006, 01:56 PM
It's something we have all dreaded the past month.

"The Twins' plans call for Liriano, Boof Bonser and Santana to work in that season-ending series."

Lip

I will dread Liriano when he comes back and puts two quality starts back to back. Until then, I dread him as much as I dread Kerry Wood.

Bonser's last six starts look scary, until you see that besides getting lucky against the Sox, his other opponents have been Toronto, Baltimore, KC, TB, and a floundering, choking Detroit team.

Be as realistic as you want, I think the Sox can take 2 of 3 that series.

salty99
09-11-2006, 02:01 PM
I will dread Liriano when he comes back and puts two quality starts back to back. Until then, I dread him as much as I dread Kerry Wood.

Bonser's last six starts look scary, until you see that besides getting lucky against the Sox, his other opponents have been Toronto, Baltimore, KC, TB, and a floundering, choking Detroit team.

Be as realistic as you want, I think the Sox can take 2 of 3 that series.

We better start becoming Royals fans...last 12 games:

2 at home vs. Angels
3 at home vs. Tigers
4 on road vs. Twins
3 on road vs. Tigers

Flight #24
09-11-2006, 02:02 PM
I will dread Liriano when he comes back and puts two quality starts back to back. Until then, I dread him as much as I dread Kerry Wood.

Bonser's last six starts look scary, until you see that besides getting lucky against the Sox, his other opponents have been Toronto, Baltimore, KC, TB, and a floundering, choking Detroit team.

Be as realistic as you want, I think the Sox can take 2 of 3 that series.

Nice point.....except that those same Tampa & KC teams didn't have any trouble hitting Sox pitching. So whatever Boof is doing, it's better than what we've gotten on the S. Side of late.

FielderJones
09-11-2006, 02:10 PM
Nice point.....except that those same Tampa & KC teams didn't have any trouble hitting Sox pitching. So whatever Boof is doing, it's better than what we've gotten on the S. Side of late.

You're right, Sox AAA pitching has been pretty bad lately. Sox starters have been doing pretty good, but they need some runs to notch the Ws.

viagracat
09-11-2006, 02:13 PM
Tigers are looking over their shoulders right now. The Twins are not. We all know what happens when those mindsets are in place.

Ozzie and associates: are you listening?

Senerch23
09-11-2006, 03:18 PM
For what it's worth. This comes from Phil Rogers' column today:

It's something we have all dreaded the past month.

"The Twins' plans call for Liriano, Boof Bonser and Santana to work in that season-ending series."

:?:

Lip

This all depends on what the standings look like going into that series. If the Twins look to have the division/a playoff spot wrapped up, they will be setting up their rotation for Game One of the playoffs on Tuesday.

Lip Man 1
09-11-2006, 03:21 PM
That's true but I still hold out some hope that series at the Dome will be meaningful for the Sox.

I guess it all comes down to this week...fall apart on the Left Coast and it could be over.

Lip

pudge
09-11-2006, 03:27 PM
It's the six games that Det has left with the Royals that really hurt. It puts the Sox at a huge disadvantage down the stretch. Here's hoping the Royals do what they did to Boston...

Palehose13
09-11-2006, 03:38 PM
I think both the Twins and the Sox pass the Tigers before season's end..

The pressure is really on the Tigers and although they have those six games remaining with the Royals - the Royals are playing good baseball lately....

I just feel more confident the Sox make up the 3.5 game deficit against the Tigers but not the half game against the Twins..the Twins ARE a good team as well as the White Sox but the Tigers are falling hard under pressure..

Maybe we beat both and win the division...but I think we pass at least one team and I think that team is the Tigers..

Um, someone else made this bold prediction (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1317475&highlight=tigers#post1317475) about 2 weeks ago. :wink:

Senerch23
09-11-2006, 03:47 PM
That's true but I still hold out some hope that series at the Dome will be meaningful for the Sox.

I guess it all comes down to this week...fall apart on the Left Coast and it could be over.

Lip

With Minnesota playing better than the Sox and Detroit as of late, the Twins might have the division wrapped up with the other two fighting it out for the Wild Card. I think the Twins might try and restructure their rotation if that's the case.

I do think the games will mean something though as I think at least the WC will come down to the last weekend.

Hitmen77
09-11-2006, 03:51 PM
We better start becoming Royals fans...last 12 games:

2 at home vs. Angels
3 at home vs. Tigers
4 on road vs. Twins
3 on road vs. Tigers

KC took 2 of 3 from the Twins in Minnesota and split a series with Oakland in the last month. I don't think it's a given that they'lll totally roll over in these series.

dwalteroo
09-11-2006, 03:51 PM
With Minnesota playing better than the Sox and Detroit as of late, the Twins might have the division wrapped up with the other two fighting it out for the Wild Card. I think the Twins might try and restructure their rotation if that's the case.

I do think the games will mean something though as I think at least the WC will come down to the last weekend.

I agree, and honestly, the Twins scare me the most come playoff time if the Sox make it. Yeah, NY can play, but the Twins have ticky-tacked us to death for years now. I just hope mathematically Detroit can fall far enough for the Sox to make it in. We need to step it up big time, because it is going down to the very last series.

Grzegorz
09-11-2006, 04:09 PM
First there the matter of taking care of business on the West Coast. Assuming that all goes well against the A's & Angels:

I believe that if the White Sox catch any team it will be the Twins.

I am sick of the Twins: the goofy piranhas, the homer dome, the idolatry of Santana, Liriano and his growing aura, and the Twins attitude that the AL Central is their playhouse.

Just go out there and beat this team. There was a game not to long ago where Iguchi, Uribe, & Pods were running. Well, if they get on base be aggressive and run. (No, I don't want to hear that the most difficult base to steal is first base).

The Twins can be beat; just do it...

Ol' No. 2
09-11-2006, 04:23 PM
One thing working against the Sox is the number of road games they have left (12 out of 19). They're 36-33 on the road, and a lot worse than that the last half of the season. I can't say I'm confident they can do better than 2-4 on this West Coast road trip. The only thing they have working for them is that Detroit also seems to be stuck in reverse, but may be going a bit faster.

Jerko
09-11-2006, 04:27 PM
KC took 2 of 3 from the Twins in Minnesota and split a series with Oakland in the last month. I don't think it's a given that they'lll totally roll over in these series.

True, but they had Teahen for those games, who IIRC is out for the year. So is Sanders, but he's been out a little longer. It'll be interesting.