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Myrtle72
09-07-2006, 08:25 AM
So, the Tigers and the Twins are playing a four games in Detroit.

Who are you rooting for?

Tigers? Twins? A split?

We could end up 1/2 game out of the division in a 3 team division race. Or we could be 3 and 1/2 games up and still 4 games out of the division race. Or we could gain a little ground on both of them if they split the series, OR if WE lose, we could gain ground on neither.

What do you all think?

seventyseven
09-07-2006, 08:30 AM
Our easiest way into the playoffs is to finish ahead of the Twins - plain and simple.

If the Tigers sweep, and we split, we are 1.5 games up on the Twins.

If the Twins sweep, and we split, we are still behind both teams.

Go Tigers.

Madvora
09-07-2006, 08:48 AM
Let's make sure we sweep 4 from the Indians and then we'll gain ground no matter what.

We have to make sure we win these games because it works the other way too. Any loss to the Indians here will drop us a game further behind somebody.

soxfanatlanta
09-07-2006, 08:54 AM
A Detroit sweep in which each game goes 18 innings.

jenn2080
09-07-2006, 08:54 AM
So, the Tigers and the Twins are playing a four games in Detroit.

Who are you rooting for?

Tigers? Twins? A split?

We could end up 1/2 game out of the division in a 3 team division race. Or we could be 3 and 1/2 games up and still 4 games out of the division race. Or we could gain a little ground on both of them if they split the series, OR if WE lose, we could gain ground on neither.

What do you all think?

What I think is the Sox should worry about what the Sox are doing. They have enough problems.

Dan H
09-07-2006, 09:07 AM
What I think is the Sox should worry about what the Sox are doing. They have enough problems.

I agree totally. Hopefully last night was the start of something. No more slumps. The Sox have a tough schedule the rest of the way. If they are not up for it, it won't matter what the Twins or Tigers are doing.

bryPt
09-07-2006, 09:10 AM
right now, all I care about is the Sox winning. The Sox just have to win and things will work out. Control your own destiny by winning. Plain and simple.

the gooch
09-07-2006, 09:12 AM
What I think is the Sox should worry about what the Sox are doing. They have enough problems.
I don't get this. We are Sox FANS. It is our right and duty to worry about these things. I don't think the players search this board voting in every poll.

illini81887
09-07-2006, 09:13 AM
Hope for a split between the two and us sweeping the injuans

SouthSoxFan
09-07-2006, 09:13 AM
Each night that we win our game, I think the majority of Sox fans will look at the Twins/Tigers result and decide "that's good for us", whatever it might be. So no need to worry about, or root for, any result up there.

Green
09-07-2006, 09:18 AM
I'm hoping for a split while the White Sox take care of the Indians.

voodoochile
09-07-2006, 09:21 AM
The goal remains the same. Pass the Tigers, make the playoffs.

Kill the kittens. (I refuse to type the words Go and Twinkies back to back unless it is in the following form... Twinkies Go to hell...).

:)

RedHeadPaleHoser
09-07-2006, 09:29 AM
Let the Tigers take them...3 out of 4.

We can gain ground by being home and kicking some Indian ass.

WE NEED to kick some Indian ass.

mrwag
09-07-2006, 09:34 AM
Doesn't matter what happens if the Sox don't take care of business against the Indians. If the Sox take at least 3-4 this weekend, it's all good regardless.

Having said that, I really want to see the Twins get beat BADLY :smile:

Kub_Killer_15
09-07-2006, 09:40 AM
Tigers take 3 and a rain out so they have to make it up later and get no days off!

BanditJimmy
09-07-2006, 09:43 AM
With a healthy Lariano, the Twins will run away with the Central.


A Sweep of Tigers is what I want. Then we have to worry about taking out the Tigers for the W/C. We have 3 games left versus both the Twins and Tigers. I like our chance in the 3 games at home versus Detroit than I do 3 in the humpdome to wrap up the season.


Regardless, if we don't take 3 of 4 this weekend, all of the above means nothing.

1917
09-07-2006, 09:49 AM
I'm going for the Sox to win this weekend......to quote the movie Training Day (I think it's exact)

Ethan Hawke- "Are we just supossed to sit back and hope the other animals wipe each other out?"

Denzel- "God Willing"

Sad
09-07-2006, 09:56 AM
I want the division so I'm hoping the Twins sweep...

I'm also hoping my lottery ticket is a winner :D:

Sad
09-07-2006, 09:56 AM
I want the division so I'm hoping the Twins sweep...

I'm also hoping my lottery ticket is a winner :D:

D. TODD
09-07-2006, 09:57 AM
Let the chips fall where they may with the Tigers and Twins. The Sox need to take care of their own business and beat a hot Indians team. If they do that whatever the outcome is in Detroit will be fine with me.

MadetoOrta
09-07-2006, 10:05 AM
I just want to make the playoffs and take our chances. We were undefeated on the road in the playoffs. Go Tigers! Sweep 'em!

soxfan13
09-07-2006, 10:07 AM
Hoping for a split and a sweep of the Indians!!!:smile:

rdwj
09-07-2006, 10:16 AM
What I think is the Sox should worry about what the Sox are doing. They have enough problems.

Exactly!

soxfanreggie
09-07-2006, 10:18 AM
A Sox sweep of the Indians. Whatever happens btw. the Tigers and Twins can help us. Tigers taking majority/sweeping will knock down the Twins. Twins taking majority/sweeping will bring the Tigers closer and make it one heck of a dog fight as long as we win the same amount as the Twins or more. If they split and we win a majority/sweep, we still make up ground and will take over the WC or tie for the WC.

Overall...Sox need to win!

spiffie
09-07-2006, 10:28 AM
With a healthy Lariano, the Twins will run away with the Central.
You do realize it is already Sept. 7 and Liriano is not back yet. Even if he came back today he would get at most 5 starts. And that's assuming that he goes into the rotation at the exact same effectiveness he had earlier this year.

Oh wait, I thought you meant Francisco Liriano. You're right, this Lariano kid is sure to push the Twins to the top.

The Racehorse
09-07-2006, 10:36 AM
Trying to decide who to root for between the Tigers & Twins is like trying to decide between the the Germans & Russians circa 1941.

I'm keeping it simple = GO SOX!

Flight #24
09-07-2006, 10:43 AM
IMO the Sox have to think about winning their games first, obviously. Then it's a question of "which of the 2 can we beat H2H"? That's easily skewed towards the Tigers. The Twins are beatable, but our 3 with them are in the Baggiedome - where they play great, the Sox play like crap, and where they'll likely throw Santana & Liriano if needed.

Plus, IMO the Tiggers are a lot less mentally tough than the Twins. If they get swept and the Sox can be within a game of them come Monday, I think they might fold like something that folds really easily.

MarySwiss
09-07-2006, 11:11 AM
Split, with a Sox sweep. If one has to win the series, I'll take the Tigers.

viagracat
09-07-2006, 11:20 AM
You make the postseason passing one team at a time. The team right ahead of us right now is the Twins.

Go Tigers.

viagracat
09-07-2006, 11:24 AM
Of course, the above post is predicated on the Sox doing well vs the Toons. Every game the Sox win in this series, they pick up a game on either Detroit or Minnesota. Every game they lose, they will fall one more game back of one of them. So there is merit in those who say "screw 'em both, it's the Sox that have to step it up and bring it this weekend".

Very good time for the starting pitching to come around.

AuroraSoxFan
09-07-2006, 11:29 AM
Hate to be an echo box.....but rooting for either team is for naught if we don't clean house. This and the head-to-heads are the only series left where we are guaranteed to gain ground by handling our own business. Now or never if you ask me.

Law11
09-07-2006, 11:33 AM
Go tiggers!
As well as we take care of businees vs Cleveland this weekend could go a long way.

DaleJRFan
09-07-2006, 11:38 AM
I am hoping for a split in the Tigers/Twins series and a "push" in the standings - coupled with a four-game sweep at Cleveland will mean a two game pickup on both teams for the Sox...

CHISOXFAN13
09-07-2006, 11:59 AM
Tigers take 3 and a rain out so they have to make it up later and get no days off!

The Baggy Dome is a dump, but if your scenario happened, we'd have one hell of a story.

I have a hunch there won't be any rainouts this weekend!

CHISOXFAN13
09-07-2006, 12:00 PM
With a healthy Lariano, the Twins will run away with the Central.


A Sweep of Tigers is what I want. Then we have to worry about taking out the Tigers for the W/C. We have 3 games left versus both the Twins and Tigers. I like our chance in the 3 games at home versus Detroit than I do 3 in the humpdome to wrap up the season.


Regardless, if we don't take 3 of 4 this weekend, all of the above means nothing.

The likelihood of him returning to the rotation is very small. The Twins are still looking at tossing Bonser, Baker, Silva and some other garbage pitcher with Santana for the remainder of the month.

Myrtle72
09-07-2006, 12:05 PM
Tigers take 3 and a rain out so they have to make it up later and get no days off!

Haha. I don't think the rain out is going to happen... but will you settle for extra innings in all three games? Maybe that'll wear 'em out.

Gavin
09-07-2006, 12:14 PM
What I think is the Sox should worry about what the Sox are doing. They have enough problems.

This would be the correct answer if the Sox actually controlled their own destiny. They don't right now.

Iwritecode
09-07-2006, 12:53 PM
I'm hoping for a Sox and Twins sweep. That will put the Sox 1/2 game out of first and the Twins and Tiggers tied.

Then if the Sox managed to win their first game against the Angels we'd have a 3-way tie for first. :D:

JB98
09-07-2006, 01:10 PM
I'm rooting for the Twins.

WILD CARD? HELL NO!!!!

You know that I'm gunning for that No. 1 spot. :cool:

bluestar
09-07-2006, 01:11 PM
Like many others, I just want the Sox to win against Cleveland. What happens in the Tigers-Twins series is secondary. With that said, I would like to see the Tigers beat the Twins as much as possible to at least give the Sox a chance to take back the Wild Card lead.

Looking at the pitching matchups, I think a split is likely.

Game 1: Verlander vs. Baker - this should be fairly easy for the Tigers. Verlander looked good in his last outing against the Angels, although he didn't get the win. Baker isn't good.

Game 2: Ledezma vs. Garza - Ledezma has been very good since he replaced Miner in the rotation. He has shown much better mental toughness this year. Garza is still learning, and if he can't throw his breaking ball for a strike, as was the case against the Yankees, he is going to be in trouble. I like the Tigers again in this one.

Game 3: Robertson vs. Bonser - Bonser has looked good in his last three or four starts, and Robertson is 1 - 3 in his last four starts. However, Robertson has won against the Twins three times this season, with one of those coming at the Metrodome. Since this is at the Baggiedome, I'll give the Twins the edge.

Game 4: Bonderman vs. Santana - Santana is 8 - 0 since the All-Star break and hasn't lost at home. Enough said.

Lip Man 1
09-07-2006, 01:43 PM
The first rule is war is to protact your rear.

The 'goal' is to make the post-season.

Right now the Sox trail Detroit by 4 1/2 games.

The Sox trail Minnesota by 1/2 game.

Obviously you root for Detroit.

By the numbers Minnesota is a lot easier to catch then Detroit. Catching and passing Minnesota puts the Sox in the post-season. That's the goal right?

If Minnesota loses enough games and the Sox win enough games it may also render moot that 'little' event known as the final three game series IN Minnesota.

Go Tigers...sweep the Twins.

Lip

ma-gaga
09-07-2006, 02:31 PM
It's gonna come down to the last series of the year anyways. It really doesn't matter. But clearly, you should cheer for Minny...

I really want a 3 way division tie at the end of the season. The Tigers have owned the Twins, the Twins have owned the Sox and the Sox have owned the Tigers.

It would be fabulous. :gulp:

Iwritecode
09-07-2006, 02:37 PM
If Minnesota loses enough games and the Sox win enough games it may also render moot that 'little' event known as the final three game series IN Minnesota.

If the Tigers lose enough games the same thing could happen. The series could just decide who faces the ALE and who faces the ALW in the first round of the playoffs. :wink:

BNLSox
09-07-2006, 03:07 PM
If we sweep and the Twins sweep we have all three teams within .5 games... I'd rather have a three team race for two spots then fight for just one with the twinks. Besides the twinks are def the better team amongst the det and minny--Wouldn't you rather head into minnesota knowing that the loser of that series gets the WC and the winner gets the division?

Tiger23
09-07-2006, 03:11 PM
I am dying to see the Tigers split this series. They way they have been playing that might be too much to ask. They could have all but ended the divisional portion of this race by now by simply playing anywhere close to .500 for the past four weeks. Instead they continue to shoot themselves in the foot, and I expect that to continue in this series.

If they leave Minnesota with the same 4 game lead on the Twinkies that they have now after having eaten 4 more games off of the schedule, I will be very relieved to say the least.

Myrtle72
09-07-2006, 03:14 PM
Looking at the pitching matchups, I think a split is likely.


That's a great analysis of the pitching match-ups for the Tigers and the Twins. I'm curious, what do you think the likelyhood is of the Sox sweeping the Indians (based on pitching match-ups)?

Iguana775
09-07-2006, 03:26 PM
What I think is the Sox should worry about what the Sox are doing. They have enough problems.

That's fine but what do US fans want to cheer for? The question is who are you rooting for. Not what the Sox players should be rooting for.

As for the question at hand....it's hard for me to say. I acutally came here to ask this question if it wasnt already asked. If the Sox sweep and the Twins sweep, the Twins and Tigers would be tied with the Sox a half game back. That would be at all terrible but the Sox would then have to take care of business against the twins when they play.

Myrtle72
09-07-2006, 03:30 PM
As for the question at hand....it's hard for me to say. I acutally came here to ask this question if it wasnt already asked. If the Sox sweep and the Twins sweep, the Twins and Tigers would be tied with the Sox a half game back. That would be at all terrible but the Sox would then have to take care of business against the twins when they play.

I think that's a good point, but I guess my gut reaction is to go for the quickest possible way to get into the playoffs, which is through the Wild Card. So, if the Sox sweep and the Tigers sweep, the Sox will be 3.5 games ahead of the Twins and all they will have to do is maintain that lead through the rest of the games - instead of being forced to continue to gain ground in the last few weeks.

Iguana775
09-07-2006, 03:37 PM
yea, that might be the easiest route. even 3 of 4 from each would be good. They'd be 1.5 up on the twins. But the way the Tigers are playing right now, I'm not sure they could even split with the Twins.

Iwritecode
09-07-2006, 04:12 PM
That's a great analysis of the pitching match-ups for the Tigers and the Twins. I'm curious, what do you think the likelyhood is of the Sox sweeping the Indians (based on pitching match-ups)?

I just checked out the pitching match-ups because I didn't know what they were. I'm thinking at least a split with the possibility of 3/4 depending on how Garcia and Vasquez pitch.

Burly vs. Lee - As long as Burly pitches like he has been lately (6-7 innings with about 3 ER) the Sox should win this game. Lee has been pretty average this year and horrible against the Sox. Advantage Sox.

Garcia vs. Byrd - Byrd has been average as well and can be gotten to but Freddy has been terrible against the Tribe. We all saw what Byrd is capable of in the ALCS last year. Advantage Tribe.

Garland vs. Camona - Our best pitcher against a guy that's 1-8. Advantage Sox.

Vazquez vs. Sabathia - I'm kinda torn on this one. Vazquez has pitched better lately but Sabathia has always been tough on the Sox. I'll reluctantly give the advantage to the Tribe unless Javy pitches his ass off and the offense shows up against CC.

bluestar
09-07-2006, 04:50 PM
That's a great analysis of the pitching match-ups for the Tigers and the Twins. I'm curious, what do you think the likelyhood is of the Sox sweeping the Indians (based on pitching match-ups)?

I find it much more difficult to be as objective with the Sox, but here is my analysis (for what it's worth):

Game 1: Lee vs. Buehrle - I think this is a very important game for the Sox on a few levels. Naturally they want to win, because they know either Detroit or Minnesota is going to win. But I think it is just as important for Buehrle to turn in a strong outing to keep the momentum going for the starting rotation. I would also like to see the offensive production carry over from last night's game. Lee is a lefty and lefties give the Sox problems, but the Sox have seen Lee enough that he shouldn't be such a mystery, plus they have been able to hit against Lee already this year. Also, Lee is a harder throwing lefty, and it seems to be the soft-tossers the Sox have the most trouble against. Buehrle needs his command and it wouldn't hurt to have an umpire behind home plate that is willing to give him the corners. If Buehrle can keep the offensively potent Indians in check, I think it will be a HUGE boost to the everyone's confidence. I count this one a toss-up.

Game 2: Byrd vs. Garcia - The Sox hitters should have a field day against Byrd, which means they probably won't. They will probably need a lot of offense, because I don't have much confidence in Garcia's ability to shut down the Indians' offense. I expect Garcia will give up five or six runs, at least, so the Sox need to do better. Another toss-up here.

Game 3: Carmona vs. Garland - The Sox have faced Carmona before as a reliever. AJ and Iguchi both have HRs off him. He is a hard-throwing righty, and the Sox usually love that. Obviously Cleveland wants to see what Carmona can do, and he knows that, which will likely make him nervous. Garland will need another great start to control the potent Indians offense. I like the pitching matchups here and give the definite edge to the Sox.

Game 4: Sabathia vs. Vazquez - Sabathia has not looked like the pitcher of the past this year. But, again, he is a lefty and has owned the Sox in the past. Vazquez finds himself once again in the unenviable position of being a #5 pitcher facing the other team's #1 guy. (That has happened a lot this season, it seems.) Vazquez will need to turn in the kind of performance he had on Tuesday against the Red Sox if the Sox are going to win, and the Sox will need to take advantage of Sabathia's control problems of late. That means they will need to show some patience at the plate, which, as we all know, is not something they do well. I give the edge to Cleveland in this one.

Kub_Killer_15
09-07-2006, 05:57 PM
D'OH its in the dome:redface:

SoxEd
09-07-2006, 07:07 PM
I'm really caught between the Devil and a Hard Place on this one.

I mean, I hate the Twins, but don't really dislike Detroit (they've only ever been a Comedy team during the short time in which I've followed baseball).

On that basis, I'd rather the Tiggers swept the Spongecakes, but that would then leave us reliant on beating them in the Humpdome at the end of the Season.

OTOH, if the Twins swept the Tigers AND we sweep the Toons, then we'd be in a much tighter 3-way race for the two possible spots (so our chances of finishing in the top two would improve), but we'd still probably have to beat the Twins in the Humpdome.

Hmm.

IF I could guarantee a Sox sweep over the Tribe, then I'd rather see the Twins pound the Tigers.

Like I say, this question really is a doozy - mentally, I'm stuck between a Rock and the Deep Blue Sea.

Why is there no 'write-in' option available?

I'm gonna go with my heart, and hope that the Tigers give the Twins a heavy mauling (whilst we kick some serious Cleveland butt), and that this causes the Minnesota team to implode for the rest of the month, leaving us with relatively plain sailing for the WC berth.