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caulfield12
09-05-2006, 09:20 AM
http://www.dailysouthtown.com/southtown/dssports/pro/051sd2.htm

Interesting stat, 19/25 teams leading the Wild Card on Labor Day went on to become the Wild Card representative.

Right now, I'd take 50/50 odds. 76% seems WAY too high to me, Baseball Prospectus mock scenarios notwithstanding.

sox1970
09-05-2006, 09:26 AM
I'd say the Sox are about 20% to make the playoffs. Especially if Liriano comes back for the Twins. Without Freddy and Jose stepping up with quality starts, this team has no shot.

batmanZoSo
09-05-2006, 09:27 AM
I'd say the Sox are about 20% to make the playoffs. Especially if Liriano comes back for the Twins. Without Freddy and Jose stepping up with quality starts, this team has no shot.

It's 50/50. We will or we will not.

We actually led on Labor Day, just not at the end of it.

MadetoOrta
09-05-2006, 09:31 AM
It will likely come down to the Sox or Twins having to win 2 of 3 in the Twinkiedome. Not a pleasant thought for Sox fans. This is the result of going 11-8 against the Royals and not finishing off the 3rd game of numerous series' this year after winning the first two games. [Remember the 3d game in Baltimore?] We shouldn't be in this position. We're under .500 since the Boston series at home. Frankly, we're not a playoff caliber team right now. Deal with it.

Shift
09-05-2006, 10:14 AM
I like Hawk, but in KC he said that he can't believe that this team does not have a run left in them. In fact, he went on to state, that if they don't go off on a tear it would be the best team he was ever around that went through an entire season with out going on one.

Maybe it's time for him to start considering that the Sox aren't as good as he thinks they are (many of us as well). 137 games is a pretty good sample size to gauge how good this team is. Does he think this is a 115 win team? The Sox are an outstanding team, but the Tigers/Twins are every bit as good if not better.

Go ahead and post the dark cloud junk, but maybe this team has hit its potential.

sox1970
09-05-2006, 10:25 AM
In July, when the Sox were losing 12 of 15, I said this team has 91 wins written all over it. I still believe that. 91-71. Then shoulder surgery announcements.

Shift
09-05-2006, 10:34 AM
Surgery number one will be Contreras in my humble opinion.

kevingrt
09-05-2006, 11:33 AM
Surgery number one will be Contreras in my humble opinion.

Surgery #1 should be the whole pitching staff minus Garland, MacDougal, Thorton, and Jenks, minus the BS last night. Everyone else needs some work. Even Buehrle who has had a couple OK outings recently.

32nd&Wallace
09-05-2006, 11:39 AM
I like Hawk, but in KC he said that he can't believe that this team does not have a run left in them. In fact, he went on to state, that if they don't go off on a tear it would be the best team he was ever around that went through an entire season with out going on one.

Maybe it's time for him to start considering that the Sox aren't as good as he thinks they are (many of us as well). 137 games is a pretty good sample size to gauge how good this team is. Does he think this is a 115 win team? The Sox are an outstanding team, but the Tigers/Twins are every bit as good if not better.

Go ahead and post the dark cloud junk, but maybe this team has hit its potential.The Sox did go on a run. It was in June during the Reds/Cards/Astros series. Sorry Hawk, this team HAS hit its stride.

CaptainBallz
09-05-2006, 11:48 AM
The Sox did go on a run. It was in June during the Reds/Cards/Astros series. Sorry Hawk, this team HAS hit its stride.

Nobody counts that because it was all against AAAA NL teams. That isn't called a stride, that's called showing up to the ballpark.

eriqjaffe
09-05-2006, 11:49 AM
Nobody counts that because it was all against AAAA NL teams. That isn't called a stride, that's called showing up to the ballpark.Showing up to the ballpark hasn't exactly worked against Kansas City and Tampa Bay - and don't pretend that those teams are any better than St. Louis and Houston.

CaptainBallz
09-05-2006, 11:59 AM
Showing up to the ballpark hasn't exactly worked against Kansas City and Tampa Bay - and don't pretend that those teams are any better than St. Louis and Houston.

The Sox haven't necessarily shown up to the park since early July, (except a brief showing against Ny, Tex, & Det) so those series against KC and Tampa don't count.:cool:

soxinem1
09-05-2006, 01:09 PM
All we can do is just wait it out from here. The roster we have will have to either do it or not.

tebman
09-05-2006, 02:18 PM
All we can do is just wait it out from here. The roster we have will have to either do it or not.
Well put.

I've been stewing about this all weekend, wondering what happened to the team we thought we knew. We'll all find out in these next couple of weeks. Pitching has really let us down. Sure, timely hits are vital, but the real weakness has been the pitching.

The Tigers and Twins are good, but so are (were?) the White Sox. What got into the water that made the pitchers forget how to pitch this year? The problem was summarized elegantly by itsnotrequired in another thread:


For what it's worth, the Sox lead the majors for average with runners in scoring position at .312. They are 6th in the majors for average with RISP and two outs at .270 (4th in the AL).

However, the pitching staff has an ERA of 10.07 with RISP, 6th worse in the majors and 4th worse in the AL. Only the Rangers, Royals and Devil Rays are worse. With 2 outs and RISP, the Sox have the 8th worse ERA in the majors at 21.28 (5th in the AL).

People talk about lack of clutch hitting but it really is a lack of clutch pitching. I've said it before and I'll say it again: OFFENSE IS NOT THIS TEAM"S PROBLEM!!!! Sox lead the majors in hits, home runs and slugging percentage. They are tied with Minnesota for the highest average. They are second in runs and RBIs.

Dan H
09-05-2006, 03:28 PM
I don't even know if I want the Sox to make the playoffs. If they go out like Boston last year, I can do without that. If they do make it, it looks like they will back in, but I don't think they will even do that. They are losing one run games. Contending teams win those games. And the weekend series against the mighty Royals was brutal.

viagracat
09-05-2006, 04:20 PM
I don't even know if I want the Sox to make the playoffs. If they go out like Boston last year, I can do without that. If they do make it, it looks like they will back in, but I don't think they will even do that. They are losing one run games. Contending teams win those games. And the weekend series against the mighty Royals was brutal.

Damn. :o:

I'll take my chances with the Sox in the playoffs. They might win the WC if they get in. They won't if they don't. "Better to have tried and failed than not to have tried at all".

kitekrazy
09-05-2006, 05:50 PM
The Sox did go on a run. It was in June during the Reds/Cards/Astros series. Sorry Hawk, this team HAS hit its stride.

Amazing that they won 9 in a row and only gained a game on the Tigers.

The Racehorse
09-05-2006, 06:40 PM
I don't even know if I want the Sox to make the playoffs. If they go out like Boston last year, I can do without that. If they do make it, it looks like they will back in, but I don't think they will even do that. They are losing one run games. Contending teams win those games. And the weekend series against the mighty Royals was brutal.

Dan, I got to say that for me, I'd rather be three & done in the playoffs than not go to the playoffs at all.