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Mohoney
09-04-2006, 10:16 PM
Sorry, JG.

Gavin
09-04-2006, 10:16 PM
****.

depy48
09-04-2006, 10:16 PM
Wow, I'm fairly upset right now.

Dan Mega
09-04-2006, 10:16 PM
That one hurts.

BeviBall!
09-04-2006, 10:16 PM
****!

ShoelessJoeS
09-04-2006, 10:16 PM
What the **** is happening with our bullpen?

Chips
09-04-2006, 10:16 PM
That ****ing sucked.

mark2olson
09-04-2006, 10:17 PM
crap, hard way to lose

CubsfansareDRUNK
09-04-2006, 10:17 PM
GOD ****ING DAMN IT :angry::angry::angry:

Grzegorz
09-04-2006, 10:17 PM
I just walked away; is it over?

MrX
09-04-2006, 10:17 PM
2 runs off of Julian ****ing Tavarez:angry:

ode to veeck
09-04-2006, 10:17 PM
ouch!

lowestofthelow
09-04-2006, 10:17 PM
I think Lip Man said it best yesterday..."this season can't end fast enough."

BeviBall!
09-04-2006, 10:17 PM
Same ****ing ****. Different ****ing day.

Myrtle72
09-04-2006, 10:18 PM
Yeah, seriously. Not cool at all. They HAD that one.

CanBuehrleWait
09-04-2006, 10:18 PM
Julian ****ing Tavarez!?!?!?!? What the **** was that. That was beyond disappointing.

Mr. White Sox
09-04-2006, 10:18 PM
a completely winnable game, and now out of the wildcard lead as well as another game back in the division.

yeah, this one hurt.

1951Campbell
09-04-2006, 10:18 PM
This is gonna be rich.

Kub_Killer_15
09-04-2006, 10:18 PM
Lead off walks kill us espically in the 9th inning.
McCarthy came in and threw 4 pitches and gets the loss.
Lets hope tommrow is a better day.

joebro25
09-04-2006, 10:18 PM
wow, that one really sucked. hello third place...again

BiggestFan14
09-04-2006, 10:18 PM
I am one of the most positive fans, but that was just ridiculous.

LuvSox
09-04-2006, 10:18 PM
Nice Bullpen.

caulfield12
09-04-2006, 10:18 PM
Well, the Yankees are losing to the Royals 3-1. That should be some consolation.

We're in serious trouble. Vazquez AND Santana are going tomorrow.

Both teams had close games...their bullpen has simply been better this season, especially the middle relievers and set-up guys.

And Ortiz is back tomorrow waiting on a Vazquez slider or change-up.

ShoelessJoeS
09-04-2006, 10:18 PM
Sorry, JG.He could've been the ML wins leader with a win tonight....

eurotrash35
09-04-2006, 10:19 PM
thank god it's football season

SoxFan78
09-04-2006, 10:19 PM
Way to snatch defeat from the holds of victory. Un****ingbelievable. 3rd place now, lose a game to the Tigers, and give the Red Sox hope in the Wild Card.

I don't know what to say. I dont think anything can wake this team up anymore.

You would think in losing 2 out of 3 to the Royals they would wake up. It seems like every other week we are saying they should wake up.

un****ingbelievable...

I feel bad for garland.

Kwrubac
09-04-2006, 10:19 PM
Ugh...Thanks for showing up offense..

Flight #24
09-04-2006, 10:19 PM
It's a good thing the Twins aren't gaining momentum and have a potential difference-maker coming back or anything. Because that could really give them a shot in the arm to take off.......

This is 2004 all over again, making guys like goddamn Tavarez look like freaking Cy Young. And then some weak, weak swings off of the likes of Javy Lopez & old man Timlin.

This team needs a defibrillator, and quick.

By the way - is anyone else interested in seeing Gload in LF? Even with his fairly poor D out there, I can't help but think he'd be an upgrade. Pods isn't getting on base and isn't stealing when he is, so what's to lose?

sox1970
09-04-2006, 10:19 PM
I don't think McCarthy is going to get "stretched out" throwing four pitches. Nice going, *******.

JUribe1989
09-04-2006, 10:19 PM
I've officially gone insane. That was the worst loss of the season, bar none. That loss could change everything. Ouch. This shouldn't have happened.

Mohoney
09-04-2006, 10:19 PM
It's hard to throw Bobby under the bus, but those were 3 outs that we desperately needed.

Jjav829
09-04-2006, 10:19 PM
What bull****. :angry::angry::angry:

At least the Bears start Sunday...

TheOldRoman
09-04-2006, 10:19 PM
The offense did absolutely nothing ONCE AGAIN against horrible pitching. Why are we tanking in the second half? Because the offense have gotten a lot worse.

BTW, I can't wait to put McCarthy into the rotation. This team is heartless, spineless, and gutless. They have been punched in the mouth so many times that they don't even feel it anymore. But hey, I hear the golf is great in October. We shouldn't complain because we won last year.

Beer Can Chicken
09-04-2006, 10:19 PM
I just poured bleach in my eyes

0o0o0
09-04-2006, 10:19 PM
This is becoming comical.

Go Bears!

Martinigirl
09-04-2006, 10:20 PM
I feel bad for Jon, he pitched a great game and deserved better.

mccoydp
09-04-2006, 10:20 PM
At least the Sox are blowing key ballgames in spectacular fashion...oh wait, make that craptacular.

Ugh.

Patrick134
09-04-2006, 10:20 PM
I've officially gone insane. That was the worst loss of the season, bar none. That loss could change everything. Ouch. This shouldn't have happened.

Leadoff walks kill. Knowing that, it wasn't too shocking. One hard hit ball off Jenks all inning, and poof.

kevingrt
09-04-2006, 10:20 PM
This just isn't fun. This team is whacked up right now and I don't know if they will find a cure.

1951Campbell
09-04-2006, 10:20 PM
I think Lip Man said it best yesterday..."this season can't end fast enough."

It was miserable, yes, but my calendar says it's only September 4th.

QCIASOXFAN
09-04-2006, 10:20 PM
Wow, I went to the bathroom real quick at the break and grabed a budlight tallboy out of the fridge and it was over and it was over! ****!

Myrtle72
09-04-2006, 10:20 PM
Well, the Yankees are losing to the Royals 3-1. That should be some consolation.

I am not consoled by the fact that another team (not in our division, nor in the Wild Card race) is losing.

cheeses_h_rice
09-04-2006, 10:20 PM
The games the 2005 White Sox won, the 2006 White Sox are pissing away like last night's beers after a full night's sleep.

Until our offense wakes the **** up, it's buh-bye postseason.

****.

:angry:

Huisj
09-04-2006, 10:20 PM
Well, the Yankees are losing to the Royals 3-1. That should be some consolation.

What do they have to do with us right now?

Tonight was just pathetic. Terrible offense, and choking bullpen. What a rotten way to end the long weekend.

JUribe1989
09-04-2006, 10:20 PM
Why couldn't ****ing Ozzie walk Mike Lowell when the winning run was on going to be at the plate no matter what. This could and probably will do us in for good.

Tragg
09-04-2006, 10:20 PM
What the **** is happening with our bullpen? McCarthy's been pitching poorly his last few outings, including yesterday's game.
I don't know what happend to Jenks - looked like control from the box score.
Looks like Boston really made Garland work - 104 pitches in 6 innings and only 1 walk. That' what patience will do for you...you get to the pen early and eventually it pays off.
We sure are playing some bad baseball. The royals are bad and, honestly, boston is just like playing a bad team...they have talent but they've basically quit for the season.

ChiSox14305635
09-04-2006, 10:21 PM
Worst possible time for McCarthy to be pitching like garbage.

ZombieRob
09-04-2006, 10:21 PM
I don't think McCarthy is going to get "stretched out" throwing four pitches. Nice going, *******.

I'll say this now im still not sold on him..Too many ups and downs .I did say in the thread i'd rather see haeger to give BoSox diffrent look ,But Oh well.

rdwj
09-04-2006, 10:21 PM
I'm normally very positive, but I've lost faith in this team. They're completely spineless. Put em in a close game late and you can almost count on another L.

Pathetic!

Brian26
09-04-2006, 10:21 PM
Well, the Yankees are losing to the Royals 3-1. That should be some consolation.

Why would that be consolation? That's a meaningless game right now to the Sox.

TheOldRoman
09-04-2006, 10:21 PM
This is gonna be rich.
Oh, please! Show us the way! This loss means nothing, we will win the rest of our games, so there is no reason to ever complain.:rolleyes:

MrX
09-04-2006, 10:21 PM
It's hard to throw Bobby under the bus, but those were 3 outs that we desperately needed.
If anyone deserves to be thrown under the bus it's the offense. You can not score only two runs off of a piece of **** pitcher like Tavarez

samram
09-04-2006, 10:21 PM
Eh, what do you expect? The team hasn't won 2-1 games all year- why would they start in September?

Mohoney
09-04-2006, 10:21 PM
This team is heartless, spineless, and gutless.

I disagree. I would say "brainless" instead.

CaptainBallz
09-04-2006, 10:21 PM
that hurt. I was looking forward to the 1 run victory featuring good starting, middle relief, and closing pitching. Got the first two, but as is par for this course, one of the elements ****s it all up.

Brutal.

Chisox003
09-04-2006, 10:22 PM
This thread is going to be epic. :anon:

Tragg
09-04-2006, 10:22 PM
Well, the Yankees are losing to the Royals 3-1. That should be some consolation.

What consolation is that? It doesn't help us at all. The Tigers and Twins both won.

BeviBall!
09-04-2006, 10:22 PM
This loss changes nothing. Pena killed us with Detroit, now he's doing it again.

Every game someone different finds a way to **** this **** up. Polar opposite of 2005.

Myrtle72
09-04-2006, 10:22 PM
Yeah, what's up with Bobby? That didn't look like him out there.

batmanZoSo
09-04-2006, 10:23 PM
Wow, this has got to be rock bottom. Last year, we had a different hero every night. This year, we have a different hero every night for the other team.

sox1970
09-04-2006, 10:23 PM
When it's all said and done, I think we'll look back at Labor Day as the day we knew it wasn't going to happen for us in 2006. The Twins win 2-1 and the White Sox can't seal a 2-1 victory. We just aren't good enough.

Lorenzo Barcelo
09-04-2006, 10:23 PM
I don't know how so many people can remain positive about this season. If we just played .500 ball the 2nd half we would be 1.5 back. Its sad. Yes the season isn't over but Ozzie said in the paper that won last year bc of ozzie ball and this year we are losing bc of ozzie ball. I haven't seen any ozzie ball this yr. It just shows that this team is not at all confident if ozzie has the thoughts about not making the playoffs.

JB98
09-04-2006, 10:24 PM
This is typical of the way things have been going. Jenks has been so reliable for us all year, but when things are going this poorly, even reliable players seem to **** things up. We've now lost four of our last five. The offense is in a funk, and at least two key players are dealing with nagging injuries. Day by day, it just keeps getting worse. It's raining **** on us right now, just like it did in mid-July.

The offense sucked tonight, but wouldn't it have been nice if the pitching staff could have picked the hitters up? I said the same thing after the loss to Tampa Bay, and I'll say it again tonight. You can't expect to score six runs every night. To make the playoffs, you need a few 2-1, 3-2 and 4-3 games. We win these type of low-scoring affairs very infrequently.

caulfield12
09-04-2006, 10:24 PM
What consolation is that? It doesn't help us at all. The Tigers and Twins both won.

Everyone was making excuses for this team, that the Royals were playing better...but who knew they were better than the Sox?

I was just joking, everyone's taking it seriously. Should have put it in teal I guess.

A. Cavatica
09-04-2006, 10:24 PM
:firejerry

southsideirish71
09-04-2006, 10:25 PM
Well I would like to say I have seen our O get shut down by crappy pitchers this year, but when you get shut down by a crappy worthless middle reliever who dominates you. Come on.

Our team must realize, or Walker at some point needs to let them know. You can hit the ball up the middle and oppo.

Tavarez used the Joe Mays formula. Low and away. And we kept pulling the ball over and over.

The only ball hit hard the entire night, was an oppo shot. Yet the next guy Kong pulls the ball for a quick out.


This O is brutal right now.

100 Year Itch
09-04-2006, 10:25 PM
Typical 2006-type loss.

No synchronicity.

BeviBall!
09-04-2006, 10:25 PM
I'll feel a lot better if Dye is in the lineup tomorrow. I haven't heard a thing about this yet. Cover up!

TheLittleBulldog
09-04-2006, 10:25 PM
This team will mail it in over the next 4 weeks. They will finish about 5 games behind the Twins.

buehrle4cy05
09-04-2006, 10:25 PM
Ozzie doesn't like to call team meetings, but now would be a good time.

Myrtle72
09-04-2006, 10:26 PM
Well, I am still happy with the team and happy to be watching them play and happy to have a chance at the playoffs in the first place, even if they are kinda sucking right now.

But really, this loss was kinda frustrating. I mean, how come everyone else can beat the Red Sox lately but us? How come the Royals have such a horrible reccord, but we can't win a series?

I am frustrated but still very much loyal.

Tragg
09-04-2006, 10:26 PM
It's certainly not over, although we aren't playing like we want it.

That 2 pitchers and best prospect for Vasquez trade will be highly scrutinized.

And we certainly aren't getting anything extra from Guillen.

Man, this franchise has never gone to post season 2 years in a row. How can we blow this?

QCIASOXFAN
09-04-2006, 10:26 PM
It's hard to throw Bobby under the bus, but those were 3 outs that we desperately needed. I totally agree, he is the last guy I will throw under the bus. Without him we would be **** right now. I blame the offense this evening for getting shutdown by a hothead journeyman piece of **** BULLPEN GUY! It is especially bad because we had a badass pitching performance from Garland.I know it is only Sept 4 but I am having serious doubts about this teams WC chances. I love the Sox and hope they get there **** together but am having serious doubts. If somebody can please say something other than it is only September 4 and we went through the same thing last year please do it.

slobes
09-04-2006, 10:26 PM
DAMNIT!!

Though our pitching blew it tonight, our offense couldn't hit worth a damn. DAMNIT.

JB98
09-04-2006, 10:26 PM
When it's all said and done, I think we'll look back at Labor Day as the day we knew it wasn't going to happen for us in 2006. The Twins win 2-1 and the White Sox can't seal a 2-1 victory. We just aren't good enough.

Quite possibly. I continue to hope for the best, but I'm preparing for the worst. Sometimes, it just isn't your year. Look at those weak-ass hits the Royals got against McCarthy yesterday. We're playing poorly, AND we're having breaks go against us.

Harry Potter
09-04-2006, 10:26 PM
That's right people, keep thinking Brandon McCarthy is the savior to our pitching woes. Quality outings Thursday, yesterday, and tonight. ***** BMac :angry:

Mohoney
09-04-2006, 10:26 PM
If anyone deserves to be thrown under the bus it's the offense. You can not score only two runs off of a piece of **** pitcher like Tavarez

That's why I used the name "Where's the O?"

This offense better get it through their heads that they're the guys that will have to carry us, even on days when very good pitchers (like Garland, MacDougal, and Jenks today) are on the hill. They better get a better approach very soon, like tomorrow soon, and KEEP DOING IT! No more bull**** approaches with 2 outs. No more swinging at garbage changeups.

As for McCarthy, he needs to get his head out of his ass QUICK.

mccoydp
09-04-2006, 10:26 PM
Typical 2006-type loss.

No synchronicity.

And no synergy.

ilsox7
09-04-2006, 10:26 PM
This team has been getting exactly what they deserve. The scary thing is they are only 1 loss out of a playoff spot. It's there to be had. It has been for some time. The more time that goes by without them taking it, the less likely it seems they will. But that does not erase the fact that they are very much right in the thick of things for a playoff spot. I hope we don't see a bunch of moping and **** in the postgame interviews and tomorrow's game.

CHIsoxNation
09-04-2006, 10:26 PM
Why couldn't ****ing Ozzie walk Mike Lowell when the winning run was on going to be at the plate no matter what. This could and probably will do us in for good.

Last I checked we were still only a half game out of the wild card. Do you know how many teams would die to be in our position, including the one we are playing right now?! Why don't we calm down a little bit.

PeoriaSoxFan
09-04-2006, 10:27 PM
Every time I say we are done, they come back and proove me wrong, so I say the Sox are done. I have been blaming people all year, players, coaches, etc., but the truth is that everyone has let this team down this year. The Sox just aren't playing like a team. Yet, we have 79 wins. I don't know, but the games vs. KC, TB, etc., will be the difference.

Cuck the Fubs
09-04-2006, 10:27 PM
Wow.........this should be bi polar interactive........

Let's wait and see what's what October 1st........get bback in off the ledge for god sakes.

1951Campbell
09-04-2006, 10:27 PM
Oh, please! Show us the way! This loss means nothing, we will win the rest of our games, so there is no reason to ever complain.:rolleyes:

Get a ****ing grip.

samram
09-04-2006, 10:27 PM
This is typical of the way things have been going. Jenks has been so reliable for us all year, but when things are going this poorly, even reliable players seem to **** things up. We've now lost four of our last five. The offense is in a funk, and at least two key players are dealing with nagging injuries. Day by day, it just keeps getting worse. It's raining **** on us right now, just like it did in mid-July.

The offense sucked tonight, but wouldn't it have been nice if the pitching staff could have picked the hitters up? I said the same thing after the loss to Tampa Bay, and I'll say it again tonight. You can't expect to score six runs every night. To make the playoffs, you need a few 2-1, 3-2 and 4-3 games. We win these type of low-scoring affairs very infrequently.

I can't remember the last time the Sox won 2-1 or 3-2. This team just figures out how to lose games this year. I know they're 21 games over, but it's hard to really think the team that's playing out there right now is as good as its record shows.

kevingrt
09-04-2006, 10:27 PM
We just simply are not getting the job done and it is depressing.

TheLittleBulldog
09-04-2006, 10:28 PM
Last I checked we were still only a half game out of the wild card. Do you know how many teams would die to be in our position, including the one we are playing right now?! Why don't we calm down a little bit.

The Red Sox will eventually pass the White Sox. I'll predict September 24th.

JB98
09-04-2006, 10:28 PM
Well I would like to say I have seen our O get shut down by crappy pitchers this year, but when you get shut down by a crappy worthless middle reliever who dominates you. Come on.

Our team must realize, or Walker at some point needs to let them know. You can hit the ball up the middle and oppo.

Tavarez used the Joe Mays formula. Low and away. And we kept pulling the ball over and over.

The only ball hit hard the entire night, was an oppo shot. Yet the next guy Kong pulls the ball for a quick out.


This O is brutal right now.

After Thome's opposite-field shot, Konerko worked the count full and ripped a double into the corner, sending Tavarez to the showers. Revisionist history on your part.

The Dude
09-04-2006, 10:28 PM
This is going to be an uggggly postgame thread! Hopefully we can take 2 of 3 now, but this is not fun at all.:whiner:

kitekrazy
09-04-2006, 10:28 PM
I think Lip Man said it best yesterday..."this season can't end fast enough."

That could be reality by the end of next week.

TornLabrum
09-04-2006, 10:28 PM
McCarthy's been pitching poorly his last few outings, including yesterday's game.
I don't know what happend to Jenks - looked like control from the box score.
Looks like Boston really made Garland work - 104 pitches in 6 innings and only 1 walk. That' what patience will do for you...you get to the pen early and eventually it pays off.
We sure are playing some bad baseball. The royals are bad and, honestly, boston is just like playing a bad team...they have talent but they've basically quit for the season.

One thing I noticed about Jenks. If the radar on the TV screen was correct, he was throwing at about 93 mph. That's significantly slower than what we're used to seeing.

Grzegorz
09-04-2006, 10:28 PM
I sure feel for Jon Garland; he pitched a nice game and deserved the win.

Tavaras & Pena; castoffs really. I am surprised.

This season and it's expectations at this point are like dating; you go into the date with no expectations. If it turns out great, then wonderful. If the date is less than memorable, then move on; you've invested nothing emotionally.

The 2006 White Sox playoff ride: take it as it comes...

ShoelessJoeS
09-04-2006, 10:29 PM
The Red Sox will eventually pass the White Sox. I'll predict September 24th.:tealtutor:

The Dude
09-04-2006, 10:29 PM
The Red Sox will eventually pass the White Sox. I'll predict September 24th.

Are you ****ing kidding me?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Chisox003
09-04-2006, 10:29 PM
Get a ****ing grip.
Between Dane Cook on HBO and here, I don't know which is funnier.

Sometimes (in a sick way) I come to WSI after a tough loss to read the postgame thread just to make me feel better. It works. :redneck

jenn2080
09-04-2006, 10:29 PM
this is a ****ing joke

Kub_Killer_15
09-04-2006, 10:30 PM
If we do repeat it will be a steal. Seriously this team does not look like a World Series material team. Last year we would have nice 1 run wins now we are blowing saves and losing by 1 run. When we are up by 1 or 2 even 3 runs going into the 9th I dont not feel safe like I did last year. Jon Garland really deserves better.

Myrtle72
09-04-2006, 10:30 PM
The Red Sox will eventually pass the White Sox. I'll predict September 24th.

Like I said, this sucks and it's soooo freggin' frustrating. But c'mon, I'm not ready to give up just yet and to be honest, I'm NOT going to give up until someone else actually gets the Wild Card or wins the Division. THEN, I'll start planning for next season.

TheOldRoman
09-04-2006, 10:30 PM
This is typical of the way things have been going. Jenks has been so reliable for us all year, but when things are going this poorly, even reliable players seem to **** things up. We've now lost four of our last five. The offense is in a funk, and at least two key players are dealing with nagging injuries. Day by day, it just keeps getting worse. It's raining **** on us right now, just like it did in mid-July.

The offense sucked tonight, but wouldn't it have been nice if the pitching staff could have picked the hitters up? I said the same thing after the loss to Tampa Bay, and I'll say it again tonight. You can't expect to score six runs every night. To make the playoffs, you need a few 2-1, 3-2 and 4-3 games. We win these type of low-scoring affairs very infrequently.
You CAN expect to score 6 runs any night when you are facing horrible pitching. When you are facing a starter with an ERA above 6, with a bullpen ERA around 6, like we did several times against the Royals, scoring 3 is failure. Any pitcher can dominate on any given day, but it ain't happening. Our hitting is garbage. Our hitting is making horrible pitchers look like Cy Young. They can't take a walk to save their lives, they swing for the fences on every pitch, they swing at garabge two feet outside, and then watch meatballs sail over the plate. They haven't been dominated by these ****ty pitchers, they are just beating themselves. If these players had an ounce of pride, it wouldn't keep happening. However, they appear content to lay there and die. They are still breathing, but they don't seem to mind that more dirt is thrown on them every day.

JUribe1989
09-04-2006, 10:30 PM
Last I checked we were still only a half game out of the wild card. Do you know how many teams would die to be in our position, including the one we are playing right now?! Why don't we calm down a little bit.

We may have just played the worst 5 games of baseball this team has seen in years. We have an offense with 3 people that will have 30+HR and 100+ RBI, but we score 2 runs today, 3 yesterday, 5 saturday, and 5 sunday. 13 runs in a 3 game series against the Royals nothing pitching, and today the Red Sox sent a middle reliever to the mound and he shut us down. We're ****ing pathetic right now. Absolutely pathetic.

PorkChopExpress
09-04-2006, 10:30 PM
Julian Taverez? But he wasn't even stretched out.

ilsox7
09-04-2006, 10:30 PM
Sometimes (in a sick way) I come to WSI after a tough loss to read the postgame thread just to make me feel better. It works. :redneck
Agreed. As bummed as I can get about the Sox at times, when I scroll through a thread like this, it at least reminds me that I have my sanity.

1951Campbell
09-04-2006, 10:30 PM
The Red Sox will eventually pass the White Sox. I'll predict September 24th.

Wow.

TheLittleBulldog
09-04-2006, 10:31 PM
Are you ****ing kidding me?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

No I'm not "****ing kidding" you. Why would I be "****ing kidding" you.

app2686
09-04-2006, 10:31 PM
This is team is the biggest waste of talent ever. They have a chance to do something great and they just keep losing. Ever since Ozzie went to sensitivity training, things have been going downhill.

CaptainBallz
09-04-2006, 10:31 PM
The Red Sox will eventually pass the White Sox. I'll predict September 24th.

Just go to hell with that crap...

cheeses_h_rice
09-04-2006, 10:31 PM
<reality check>Despite how ****ty the Sox have been playing, they're only .5 games behind the Twins. The playoffs are still a decent possibility.</reality check>

Lip Man 1
09-04-2006, 10:31 PM
Only thing I can say is at least they pissed away a game for a change against a 'good' team. That makes 11 now on the season if your scoring at home.

Lip

Myrtle72
09-04-2006, 10:31 PM
Agreed. As bummed as I can get about the Sox at times, when I scroll through a thread like this, it at least reminds me that I have my sanity.

Haha.

Beer Can Chicken
09-04-2006, 10:31 PM
I totally agree, he is the last guy I will throw under the bus. Without him we would be **** right now. I blame the offense this evening for getting shutdown by a hothead journeyman piece of **** BULLPEN GUY! It is especially bad because we had a badass pitching performance from Garland.I know it is only Sept 4 but I am having serious doubts about this teams WC chances. I love the Sox and hope they get there **** together but am having serious doubts. If somebody can please say something other than it is only September 4 and we went through the same thing last year please do it.

I think we can still pull it out. My biggest worry is if Liriano pitches again this year. If he makes it back, I will move from being nervous to frightened.

batmanZoSo
09-04-2006, 10:31 PM
We may have just played the worst 5 games of baseball this team has seen in years. We have an offense with 3 people that will have 30+HR and 100+ RBI, but we score 2 runs today, 3 yesterday, 5 saturday, and 5 sunday. 13 runs in a 3 game series against the Royals nothing pitching, and today the Red Sox sent a middle reliever to the mound and he shut us down. We're ****ing pathetic right now. Absolutely pathetic.

Four people. That's the only reason we're still in this. The pitching has laid a complete turd, both the starters and the bullpen. Frankly, I'm amazed we don't have any injuries.

BeviBall!
09-04-2006, 10:32 PM
This is going to be an uggggly postgame thread!

Yessir, which is why I'm going to step out of the way. All we really need to do is copy the post game thread from the last loss, because it's been the same problems with every game.

JB98
09-04-2006, 10:32 PM
I can't remember the last time the Sox won 2-1 or 3-2. This team just figures out how to lose games this year. I know they're 21 games over, but it's hard to really think the team that's playing out there right now is as good as its record shows.

53-28 the first 81 games. 26-30 since. That great first half covers up some of the ills.

Of course, in the first half, we all said, "We're x games over .500, and we haven't even played well yet." Little did we know that the first half qualified as "playing well" for this group. We should have enjoyed it more while it lasted.

slobes
09-04-2006, 10:32 PM
The Red Sox will eventually pass the White Sox. I'll predict September 24th.

Uhhhh....seriously?

samram
09-04-2006, 10:32 PM
This team has been getting exactly what they deserve. The scary thing is they are only 1 loss out of a playoff spot. It's there to be had. It has been for some time. The more time that goes by without them taking it, the less likely it seems they will. But that does not erase the fact that they are very much right in the thick of things for a playoff spot. I hope we don't see a bunch of moping and **** in the postgame interviews and tomorrow's game.

Yeah. If the Tigers had played .650 ball in the 2nd half and were 50 games over, you could say "Well, what can you do?". But they haven't- the Sox have had ample opportunity to get really close and they just haven't done it. And the Twins haven't been great the last three weeks except against the Sox. The Sox are their own worst enemy this year and the only way they go to the playoffs is if they stop that trend starting tomorrow.

TheLittleBulldog
09-04-2006, 10:32 PM
Just go to hell with that crap...

Why? Is it out of the realm of possibility?

BeviBall!
09-04-2006, 10:33 PM
Between Dane Cook on HBO and here, I don't know which is funnier.

It ain't Dane Cook.

Chips
09-04-2006, 10:33 PM
Are you ****ing kidding me?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You know what to do.

PeoriaSoxFan
09-04-2006, 10:34 PM
I changed my mind. I am now going to be Captain Positive. Someone said it, we are only 1/2 game out of the WC. Take away last year and how many times have we been in that position the last 100 years or so???? Over, did someone say it's over........hell no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/webpics/john_belushi.jpgIt's not over until we say it's over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Go White Sox!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40953000/jpg/_40953148_cws_getty_270.jpg

Man that feels better than whining. Now, everyone pray that I am now seeing the light and forgive me for this long post.

Beer Can Chicken
09-04-2006, 10:34 PM
Yeah. If the Tigers had played .650 ball in the 2nd half and were 50 games over, you could say "Well, what can you do?". But they haven't- the Sox have had ample opportunity to get really close and they just haven't done it. And the Twins haven't been great the last three weeks except against the Sox. The Sox are their own worst enemy this year and the only way they go to the playoffs is if they stop that trend starting tomorrow.

This is what is so frustrating about all of this, we should be in first place right now.

JB98
09-04-2006, 10:35 PM
You CAN expect to score 6 runs any night when you are facing horrible pitching. When you are facing a starter with an ERA above 6, with a bullpen ERA around 6, like we did several times against the Royals, scoring 3 is failure. Any pitcher can dominate on any given day, but it ain't happening. Our hitting is garbage. Our hitting is making horrible pitchers look like Cy Young. They can't take a walk to save their lives, they swing for the fences on every pitch, they swing at garabge two feet outside, and then watch meatballs sail over the plate. They haven't been dominated by these ****ty pitchers, they are just beating themselves. If these players had an ounce of pride, it wouldn't keep happening. However, they appear content to lay there and die. They are still breathing, but they don't seem to mind that more dirt is thrown on them every day.

The bottom line is we had the lead in the eighth inning last Thursday. We had the lead in the ninth inning tonight. Championship pitching staffs lock those games up. Last year's team locked those games up. You can still win games while your offense is struggling, if you have a championship pitching staff. Last year, we had that. This year, we do not.

BeviBall!
09-04-2006, 10:35 PM
No I'm not "****ing kidding" you. Why would I be "****ing kidding" you.

Dude. C'mon. Seriously.

MrX
09-04-2006, 10:35 PM
Last year we would have nice 1 run wins now we are blowing saves and losing by 1 run. When we are up by 1 or 2 even 3 runs going into the 9th I dont not feel safe like I did last year.
This is the first save Jenks has blown this year where he didn't pitch in the previous 2 games. He's been the most consistent player on the team.

SoxFan78
09-04-2006, 10:35 PM
I changed my mind. I am now going to be Captain Positive. Someone said it, we are only 1/2 game out of the WC. Take away last year and how many times have we been in that position the last 100 years or so???? Over, did someone say it's over........hell no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/webpics/john_belushi.jpgIt's not over until we say it's over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Go White Sox!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40953000/jpg/_40953148_cws_getty_270.jpg

Man that feels better than whining. Now, everyone pray that I am now seeing the light and forgive me for this long post.

The sad thing is, that last Saturday night they played the Animal house clip at the Sox game when they were in extra innings. That pumped up the fans. The players? Not so much...

JB98
09-04-2006, 10:36 PM
Yeah. If the Tigers had played .650 ball in the 2nd half and were 50 games over, you could say "Well, what can you do?". But they haven't- the Sox have had ample opportunity to get really close and they just haven't done it. And the Twins haven't been great the last three weeks except against the Sox. The Sox are their own worst enemy this year and the only way they go to the playoffs is if they stop that trend starting tomorrow.

Detroit is 9-17 in its last 26 games. That was the Tigers losing streak that we were all waiting for. What have the Sox done to take advantage? Not enough.

SouthSoxFan
09-04-2006, 10:36 PM
One thing I noticed about Jenks. If the radar on the TV screen was correct, he was throwing at about 93 mph. That's significantly slower than what we're used to seeing.
I think those numbers were wrong. I had the NESN feed (MLB Extra Innings) and they had McDougal, Thornton, and Jenks all at 97, right where they should be.

Chips
09-04-2006, 10:37 PM
This is the first save Jenks has blown this year where he didn't pitch in the previous 2 games. He's been the most consistent player on the team.

Some people will piss their pants no matter what.

TheOldRoman
09-04-2006, 10:37 PM
Get a ****ing grip.
You are right. Just as you said after yesterday's embarrassment, we will be fine. We had a good game today, and started to come out of it. Our pitching will immediately get better, and our offense will suddenly start hitting horrible pitching. We have seen the same inconsistant, ****ty play the entire year, but they will snap out of it and start playing like champions, even though they have pissed away games against bad teams, and how have much harder schedules than the Twins and Tigers. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

cheeses_h_rice
09-04-2006, 10:37 PM
I changed my mind. I am now going to be Captain Positive. Someone said it, we are only 1/2 game out of the WC. Take away last year and how many times have we been in that position the last 100 years or so???? Over, did someone say it's over........hell no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/webpics/john_belushi.jpgIt's not over until we say it's over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Go White Sox!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40953000/jpg/_40953148_cws_getty_270.jpg

Man that feels better than whining. Now, everyone pray that I am now seeing the light and forgive me for this long post.

As Pollyannish as this may be, I totally agree with you. I've sat through too much bad White Sox baseball in my life not to still be excited that our team is within spitting distance of the postseason, which has only happened a handful of times in my lifetime.

This 2006 squad is plenty capable of turning on a dime and righting the ship. Hell, they don't even need to right it completely, just get it moving in the right direction; the Twins ain't all that.

Right now I'm bummed as ****, but I refuse to give up this early.

GO SOX.

tstrike2000
09-04-2006, 10:38 PM
Hawk said that if the Sox don't go on a run these next few weeks, it'll be the best team he's ever seen to not go on one. Well, Hawkeroo, this very well could be that team. Two blown leads in the late innings in the last week is enough to drive everyone nuts. This is a pennant race guys!

Tonight is an example of how frustrating this team can be these last two months. Thanks to their first half, they've been playing just well enough to not get eliminated. I'm starting to agree with someone on here who said this team is starting to remind them of the '84 team that thought they could turn it on but never did. Interesting last 3 weeks this will be indeed.

1951Campbell
09-04-2006, 10:38 PM
Between Dane Cook on HBO and here, I don't know which is funnier.

Sometimes (in a sick way) I come to WSI after a tough loss to read the postgame thread just to make me feel better. It works. :redneck

The funny thing is that this loss came at the hands of the Red Sox and many Sox fans tonight are acting like like Red Sox fans--all "woe is me, life isn't worth living, we're only 0.5 games out of the playoffs but I'm not gonna watch anymore and I'm gonna burn my playoff tickets, God hates us."

I lived in Boston for four years, and I don't need to hear this **** from fans of my own team. If you want to be this depressed about your team all the time, go whole hog--move to Revere, go on disability, drink, and call WEEI all day and complain, complain, complain, like a real Red Sox fan would.

Grzegorz
09-04-2006, 10:38 PM
Detroit is 9-17 in its last 26 games. That was the Tigers losing streak that we were all waiting for. What have the Sox done to take advantage? Not enough.

JB98,

In reality they've done nothing to take advantage of the Tiger swoon.

Go get them tomorrow; that's all I can say.

jenn2080
09-04-2006, 10:38 PM
Detroit is 9-17 in its last 26 games. That was the Tigers losing streak that we were all waiting for. What have the Sox done to take advantage? Not enough.


If we took adv we would be in first right now....WE HAVENT!!!!!!!!!! When are they going to wake up and smell the coffee and realize there is only about 30 games left and ALL games they are playing are BIG games. This game was disgusting

100 Year Itch
09-04-2006, 10:38 PM
Anyone have Cliff Politte's number?

Chisox003
09-04-2006, 10:38 PM
You are right. Just as you said after yesterday's embarrassment, we will be fine. We had a good game today, and started to come out of it. Our pitching will immediately get better, and our offense will suddenly start hitting horrible pitching. We have seen the same inconsistant, ****ty play the entire year, but they will snap out of it and start playing like champions, even though they have pissed away games against bad teams, and how have much harder schedules than the Twins and Tigers. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
You're having a blast, aren't you?

CaptainBallz
09-04-2006, 10:38 PM
Why? Is it out of the realm of possibility?

Technically, no. You're right. Let's just go ahead and say by Sept. 24th Sox will be behind Boston, Toronto, LAA, Minnesota, and Texas. Let's just roll out all our doomsday predictions while we're in whine and complain mode.

SouthSoxFan
09-04-2006, 10:39 PM
The only team taking advantage of the Tigers is that other East Coast team, who probably will be hosting all rounds of the AL playoffs and World Series this year.

ilsox7
09-04-2006, 10:39 PM
Maybe it's happened, but usually it leaks to the media when it does. But I am surprised no one has just kinda lost it in the clubhouse. Whether it be Ozzie, Kenny, or AJ. You'd expect someone, at some point, to flip a buffet table or two. I hope they are tearing that old Fenway Clubhouse down tonight. IMO, it's been strangely quiet from the Sox end of things as of late.

wassagstdu
09-04-2006, 10:40 PM
This is team is the biggest waste of talent ever. They have a chance to do something great and they just keep losing. Ever since Ozzie went to sensitivity training, things have been going downhill.
Not quite. It was ever since his GM threatened to fire him for being himself.

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A. Cavatica
09-04-2006, 10:40 PM
move to Revere

And don't forget, it's pronounced Ruh-vee-yuh. :D:

TheLittleBulldog
09-04-2006, 10:40 PM
I bet they'll win 13-2 tommorrow and then be held to 2 runs the following day. Oh, and AJ will hit into 5 double plays on Wednesday.

QCIASOXFAN
09-04-2006, 10:41 PM
The Red Sox will eventually pass the White Sox. I'll predict September 24th.With what?? Julian Tavarez's good looks??

caulfield12
09-04-2006, 10:41 PM
There's not really anything left to say.

It is what it is. Hopefully things will turn around, but there's really no tangible reason any longer to believe that will happen.

1951Campbell
09-04-2006, 10:41 PM
You are right. Just as you said after yesterday's embarrassment, we will be fine. We had a good game today, and started to come out of it. Our pitching will immediately get better, and our offense will suddenly start hitting horrible pitching. We have seen the same inconsistant, ****ty play the entire year, but they will snap out of it and start playing like champions, even though they have pissed away games against bad teams, and how have much harder schedules than the Twins and Tigers. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

:rolleyes:

See post #130, and you may want to check out this link:

http://www.homegain.com/local_real_estate/MA/revere.html

Kub_Killer_15
09-04-2006, 10:42 PM
This is the first save Jenks has blown this year where he didn't pitch in the previous 2 games. He's been the most consistent player on the team.

Its not Jenks Im worried about. Its when the starter comes out of the game I feel like the other team is back in the game because our bullpen has been inconsistant as of lately

TheOldRoman
09-04-2006, 10:42 PM
You're having a blast, aren't you?
Why would I be? My team is losing. The best White Sox team ever assembled is riding off slowly into the sunset. I would love for the Sox to suddenly turn it on and play great ball, but I don't see it happening. We we see is what we get, and what we have gotten the whole year.
I may have been overboard on some of my comments, but it is ridiculous for people to sit there and say the emperor is wearing clothes. You can't just ignore how they are playing now.

JB98
09-04-2006, 10:42 PM
As Pollyannish as this may be, I totally agree with you. I've sat through too much bad White Sox baseball in my life not to still be excited that our team is within spitting distance of the postseason, which has only happened a handful of times in my lifetime.

This 2006 squad is plenty capable of turning on a dime and righting the ship. Hell, they don't even need to right it completely, just get it moving in the right direction; the Twins ain't all that.

Right now I'm bummed as ****, but I refuse to give up this early.

GO SOX.

As long as the Sox don't quit on me, I won't quit on them. Now is the time where heart and character get tested. This September will be an even more difficult test than last September. We do not have the luxury of a lead, and we have a lot more struggling players this year. We'll find out what these guys are made of sooner rather than later. There are now only 25 games left.

batmanZoSo
09-04-2006, 10:42 PM
Maybe it's happened, but usually it leaks to the media when it does. But I am surprised no one has just kinda lost it in the clubhouse. Whether it be Ozzie, Kenny, or AJ. You'd expect someone, at some point, to flip a buffet table or two. I hope they are tearing that old Fenway Clubhouse down tonight. IMO, it's been strangely quiet from the Sox end of things as of late.

That's what I'm thinking. I almost hope we read about some smashed furniture in the papers tomorrow. Something's gotta give...

TheLittleBulldog
09-04-2006, 10:43 PM
Technically, no. You're right. Let's just go ahead and say by Sept. 24th Sox will be behind Boston, Toronto, LAA, Minnesota, and Texas. Let's just roll out all our doomsday predictions while we're in whine and complain mode.

Well, the truth is that today Boston got Varitek, Nixon, Ramirez, and Pena back after varying time off. Tomorrow, they get Ortiz. They will play better. We will continue to suck.

A. Cavatica
09-04-2006, 10:43 PM
There's not really anything left to say.

It is what it is. Hopefully things will turn around, but there's really no tangible reason any longer to believe that will happen.

Agreed. We can't be confident any more, but we can still be hopeful -- and that's still more to look forward to than most fans.

SouthSoxFan
09-04-2006, 10:43 PM
Not quite. It was ever since his GM threatened to fire him for being himself.

Coincidence. We went in the tank when Buehrle and Contreras started struggling.

Myrtle72
09-04-2006, 10:43 PM
You know, I think what irritates me the most about this post-game thread is that it seems like everyone is so fickle.

I hate to say this, but the one good quality about Cubs fans is that somehow, even though the Cubs are awful and they hardly ever win anything, they still have a loyal fan base to back them up (even if they are all drunken idiots).

Seems like everyone has forgotten that the Sox are only 1/2 game out of the Wild Card and have just as good a chance as the Twins for making the playoffs. If this season has proven anything to us, it's that you can't predict the future and you can't determine how one game is going to be based on the previous one. I wouldn't give up just yet and for those who have, well, the Sox won't need you as fans anyway.

LuvSox
09-04-2006, 10:44 PM
Not quite. It was ever since his GM threatened to fire him for being himself.

.

Sure, let Guillen call people derogatory whenever he wants, that'll work out great. :rolleyes:

IronFisk
09-04-2006, 10:44 PM
All I can say is that guess what, we're still right there in the wild card hunt, and still a month of baseball left. Streaks happen - look at the end of last year. It ain't going to be easy, but I'd rather stay optimistic until we are really out of it. Then GO BEARS!

NoNeckEra
09-04-2006, 10:44 PM
If we took adv we would be in first right now....WE HAVENT!!!!!!!!!! When are they going to wake up and smell the coffee and realize there is only about 30 games left and ALL games they are playing are BIG games. This game was disgusting
Come off it everyone. This was a tough loss, sure. But I'm very encouraged by:
1) another outstanding start from JG, 2) the Red Sox are tough at home no matter who they put on the field, and 3) look around baseball these days. No team is tearing it up at this point.

I'd rather lose 3-2 than 10-9, like we've been doing more often than not.

Kwrubac
09-04-2006, 10:44 PM
Well, the truth is that today Boston got Varitez, Nixon, Ramirez, and Pena back after varying time off. Tomorrow, they get Ortiz. They will play better. We will continue to suck.

Varitez...didn't he defect from cuba? :cool:

CaptainBallz
09-04-2006, 10:45 PM
Well, the truth is that today Boston got Varitez, Nixon, Ramirez, and Pena back after varying time off. Tomorrow, they get Ortiz. They will play better. We will continue to suck.

So stop watching.

SOXSINCE'70
09-04-2006, 10:45 PM
AAAAHHHHHH!!!!!! My eyes!!!!!!My eyes!!!!!!!!
Stop the madness!! Serneity now,serenity ****ing now!!!!:angry: :angry:
Please don't throw Carlos Pena any more fastballs!!

Grzegorz
09-04-2006, 10:45 PM
I wouldn't give up just yet and for those who have, well, the Sox won't need you as fans anyway.
Who's giving up? Most of us seem to be expressing our disappointment with this team. All well within the boundaries of being a fan.

JB98
09-04-2006, 10:45 PM
JB98,

In reality they've done nothing to take advantage of the Tiger swoon.

Go get them tomorrow; that's all I can say.

Well, we did cut the Tigers 10-game lead in half. That's something, but it's little consolation given the number of opportunities that have been blown.

caulfield12
09-04-2006, 10:46 PM
Everyone should go out and place a big bet on Santana to win tomorrow.

Either they make some money or feel better because the White Sox gain. Nothing to lose, lol...

Although I am sure you would have to bet a pretty penny to make much on a Santana bet tomorrow, if they even make odds available.

Hey, maybe Vazquez will throw a shutout and Delmon Young will hit Santana like he does all of our pitchers.

TheOldRoman
09-04-2006, 10:46 PM
:rolleyes:

See post #130, and you may want to check out this link:

http://www.virtualfsbo.com/city.asp?City=Revere&State=Massachusetts
:rolleyes:
Ok, tell us all, why we should be encouraged? Tell us why we shouldn't think handing games away will cost us. Please tell us why losing to the Royals 5 of the last 8 times shouldn't concern us. Most importantly, tell us why the Sox are suddenly going to snap out of it.

Beer Can Chicken
09-04-2006, 10:46 PM
As long as the Sox don't quit on me, I won't quit on them. Now is the time where heart and character get tested. This September will be an even more difficult test than last September. We do not have the luxury of a lead, and we have a lot more struggling players this year. We'll find out what these guys are made of sooner rather than later. There are now only 25 games left.

I'm with you. We're in a pennant race. This is what it's supposed to be like and I'll take it every year. We're supposed to be enjoying this!

Chips
09-04-2006, 10:46 PM
AAAAHHHHHH!!!!!! My eyes!!!!!!My eyes!!!!!!!!
Stop the madness!! Serneity now,serenity ****ing now!!!!:angry: :angry:

I need a beer.

whitesoxfan
09-04-2006, 10:46 PM
Tomorrow would be a nice time to start one of our patented 8-game winning streaks.

billyvsox
09-04-2006, 10:47 PM
I must vent.

Recapping the 9th. We walk Manny on 4 pitches. The dreaded lead-off walk always scores so you might as well let him hit a homer. THIS CANT HAPPEN, BOBBY.

You have Nixon 0-2, and nibble your way to 3-2 so Manny runs and ends up on 2nd. THIS CANT HAPPEN EITHER.

Once it does, you HAVE to walk Lowell to set up the double play, but no....THIS CANT HAPPEN.

What a joke this team has become, just like 2004-2003-2002 all over again.

Pods gets a bunt single and Iguchi swings at the FIRST ***ken pitch for a DP, without trying a steal or hit and run.

Thome leads off the 9th with a walk, and you pinch run for him and Sweeney just stands at first while Paulie flies out and AJ hits into a DP. WHY THE ***K even send in a pinch runner then?????

And finally, I have been saying it ALL YEAR and I will say it again, McCarthy is NOT a reliever, he could have been the savior had he been a starter all year, but he dosent have the mentality or pitches to be a reliever.

JB98
09-04-2006, 10:47 PM
Maybe it's happened, but usually it leaks to the media when it does. But I am surprised no one has just kinda lost it in the clubhouse. Whether it be Ozzie, Kenny, or AJ. You'd expect someone, at some point, to flip a buffet table or two. I hope they are tearing that old Fenway Clubhouse down tonight. IMO, it's been strangely quiet from the Sox end of things as of late.

Put the TheOldRoman in the clubhouse. He'll flip a buffet table or two. :D:

Myrtle72
09-04-2006, 10:47 PM
They will play better. We will continue to suck.

Sounds like giving up to me.

BeviBall!
09-04-2006, 10:47 PM
Something's gotta give...
"How do you write about the Sox so well?

http://au.i1.yimg.com/movies.aunz.yimg.com/2005/photos/main/24380.jpg

I think about the '06 team and I take away reason and accountability.

TheLittleBulldog
09-04-2006, 10:47 PM
So stop watching.

I wish I had it in me. But tomorrow I'll probably dutifully pull up to the t.v. at 6:00, actually thinking this team will finally start that run Hawk keeps promising me.

TheOldRoman
09-04-2006, 10:48 PM
Put the TheOldRoman in the clubhouse. He'll flip a buffet table or two. :D: Nah, I am too mad to even do that right now. I would probably just grab every bat in the clubhouse and make the players watch as I smashed them all one by one against the wall. I never said I was a good motivator.:D:
But I could go for a good buffet, though.

SOXSINCE'70
09-04-2006, 10:48 PM
I need a beer.

I need several shots of Jack Daniels.

sox1970
09-04-2006, 10:49 PM
I'm with you. We're in a pennant race. This is what it's supposed to be like and I'll take it every year. We're supposed to be enjoying this!

If the Sox were a 1/2 game out with 25 games left after going 33-19 over the last 52 instead of 23-29 (which they are), I'd feel a lot better about this. The trend scares me. This offense scares me. 3/5 of the rotation scares me. There's a lot to be down about right now.

0o0o0
09-04-2006, 10:50 PM
:threadrules:

ilsox7
09-04-2006, 10:50 PM
Once it does, you HAVE to walk Lowell to set up the double play, but no....THIS CANT HAPPEN.



Putting the winning run on base, intentionally, is not baseball smart.

kitekrazy
09-04-2006, 10:51 PM
Hawk said that if the Sox don't go on a run these next few weeks, it'll be the best team he's ever seen to not go on one.

Not really. All one has to do is look at the team ERA.

gbergman
09-04-2006, 10:51 PM
Even if we make the playoffs our bullpen and inconsistency is going to prevenmt us from moving passed the first round.

100 Year Itch
09-04-2006, 10:51 PM
Sure, let Guillen call people derogatory whenever he wants, that'll work out great. :rolleyes:
See, that's what I don't understand.

Guillen isn't the president of the PTA. He isn't hammering out some peace accord at the UN nor is he the swing vote on the Supreme Court -- he's a field manager of a ****ing baseball team.

While I consider what he said to be ignorant, the resultant (media-led) outcry was just as big a insult to my intelligence.

samram
09-04-2006, 10:52 PM
Maybe it's happened, but usually it leaks to the media when it does. But I am surprised no one has just kinda lost it in the clubhouse. Whether it be Ozzie, Kenny, or AJ. You'd expect someone, at some point, to flip a buffet table or two. I hope they are tearing that old Fenway Clubhouse down tonight. IMO, it's been strangely quiet from the Sox end of things as of late.
The problem with mediocrity is that things are never bad enough to go nuts. Every time they lose two or three, they come back and win a game or two, and things don't seem as bad, and the cycle repeats itself, and before they know it, they're 26-30 in the second half, but because there wasn't an eight game losing streak or something like that, they really couldn't tell what was happening. They can look at their current spot in the standings and feel things aren't that bad- after all, they haven't gone on a run and they're only a half game back. Meanwhile, they're not seeing that their pitching staff probably isn't going to make a miraculous turnaround and let them ride its shoulders to the postseason. So really, the mediocrity has almost bred complacency.

Hell, I bet they win tomorrow and Minny will lose and they'll think all is well.

JB98
09-04-2006, 10:52 PM
I'm with you. We're in a pennant race. This is what it's supposed to be like and I'll take it every year. We're supposed to be enjoying this!

Honestly, I can't say that I'm enjoying this. I ****ing hate the losing. But I hope that everyone here sticks it out. If we win tomorrow, everything here will be roses and lillies, and we'll be back to having posts about how few people post after victories. Things can turn on a dime. That doesn't mean they will, but they might. You have to play this **** all the way out, all the way to the very end, because baseball is the least predictable sport of them all. I learned that lesson last year, and I hope others did as well.

ilsox7
09-04-2006, 10:52 PM
Even if we make the playoffs our bullpen and inconsistency is going to prevenmt us from moving passed the first round.

What else do you have in your crystal ball?

Kub_Killer_15
09-04-2006, 10:52 PM
Originally Posted by SOXSINCE'70
I need several shots of Jack Daniels.

What ever you do, DO NOT turn on Sportcenter after you do that or you will :puking:

batmanZoSo
09-04-2006, 10:52 PM
Have the Sox ever come out the victors of a tough pennant race? I don't think they have. I know they haven't in the last 30 years at least--it's always been pretty much wrapped up nicely by August, July or even as early as June. We're not used to this. Or maybe we're too used to years like 2003, 1967 or 1964 where we were in the race and fell flat at the end.

Beer Can Chicken
09-04-2006, 10:53 PM
If the Sox were a 1/2 game out with 25 games left after going 33-19 over the last 52 instead of 23-29 (which they are), I'd feel a lot better about this. The trend scares me. This offense scares me. 3/5 of the rotation scares me. There's a lot to be down about right now.

I'm scared too. I'm pissed. I'm down. I'm not 100% confident. But I'd rather be in our situation than most of the other teams in MLB that are waiting for next year.
We're a half game out of the WC. That's nothing.

QCIASOXFAN
09-04-2006, 10:54 PM
Why would I be? My team is losing. The best White Sox team ever assembled is riding off slowly into the sunset. I would love for the Sox to suddenly turn it on and play great ball, but I don't see it happening. We we see is what we get, and what we have gotten the whole year.
I may have been overboard on some of my comments, but it is ridiculous for people to sit there and say the emperor is wearing clothes. You can't just ignore how they are playing now.I totally agree, why would it? We have been waiting for it to happen for 2 months now. Its only August 10 settle down. Its only August 20 chill out. Well now it is September 4 and we have just split a series with the 2 worst teams in the league. Finally when we get a pitcher who is dominant we cant give him any kind of support. We were playing a very depleted BSox team who was starting a Journeyman bullpen pitcher. The team looks very flat again, the offense didn't show up again, when does it get better? You can call me a dark cloud or whatever you want, but when we have a team of this caliber I expect a lot more than this out of it. I love the Sox as much as all of you on here, but trying to find something positive in all this is very hard rightnow. Sure we are still right in the hunt, but we are completely pissing everything way right now.

viagracat
09-04-2006, 10:55 PM
Obviously Ramirez is a great player, but it seemed like Jenks didn't have the stones to pitch to him. Our closer, the guy with the 100 mph fastball, and he wouldn't pitch to him! The dreaded lead-off walk, which scores over 40% of the time, and seemingly higher than that in game situations like that was. That made no damn sense.

We're still in a race, but we have to play hungrier and more aggressive than that.

caulfield12
09-04-2006, 10:55 PM
What ever you do, DO NOT turn on Sportcenter after you do that or you will :puking:

If the Yankees lose to KC, it might make the last five minutes of the late SportsCenter or it will be completely ignored as if it never happened.

Cy Young Wang can't lose to the Royals...so we'll refuse to show any highlights.

kitekrazy
09-04-2006, 10:55 PM
I hate to say this, but the one good quality about Cubs fans is that somehow, even though the Cubs are awful and they hardly ever win anything, they still have a loyal fan base to back them up (even if they are all drunken idiots).


Sure. WRIGLEY FIELD has nothing to do with it.

rookie
09-04-2006, 10:56 PM
The thing gnawing at me is that I'm not so sure if this team does so well with its back againist the wall (I'm not speaking of individual games). Last year when they were sliding, they didn't turn it around until they clinched. AJ said on the radio this morning that it seems like some of the hitters are really tight. Our offense is going to have to carry us through, so that doesn't bode well right now for us. Tons of pressure right now, and if we can't string some W's together we need to hope that Det/Min wilt under the pressure too.

I hope I'm wrong. I still want us to go on that hot streak that Hawk promised us, where the whole team is clicking on all cylinders. (I hope I don't have to deep pink that). So that way all this craziness I'm putting myself through will be worth it.

JB98
09-04-2006, 10:56 PM
Nah, I am too mad to even do that right now. I would probably just grab every bat in the clubhouse and make the players watch as I smashed them all one by one against the wall. I never said I was a good motivator.:D:
But I could go for a good buffet, though.

I can just imagine you lecturing the team as you go ape**** in the clubhouse:

"Since you *******s aren't doing a ****ing thing with these bats anyway, I'm going to smash them all one by one against this wall. Julian ****ing Tavarez? Isn't he the Latino Sean Lowe? Give me a ****ing break!!!!"

<smash, smash, smash go the bats> :rolleyes:

100 Year Itch
09-04-2006, 10:57 PM
The problem with mediocrity is that things are never bad enough to go nuts. Every time they lose two or three, they come back and win a game or two, and things don't seem as bad, and the cycle repeats itself, and before they know it, they're 26-30 in the second half, but because there wasn't an eight game losing streak or something like that, they really couldn't tell what was happening. They can look at their current spot in the standings and feel things aren't that bad- after all, they haven't gone on a run and they're only a half game back. Meanwhile, they're not seeing that their pitching staff probably isn't going to make a miraculous turnaround and let them ride its shoulders to the postseason. So really, the mediocrity has almost bred complacency.

Hell, I bet they win tomorrow and Minny will lose and they'll think all is well.

...Quoted For Truth...

caulfield12
09-04-2006, 10:57 PM
I prefer the Latino Rick White.

CaptainBallz
09-04-2006, 10:58 PM
I wish I had it in me. But tomorrow I'll probably dutifully pull up to the t.v. at 6:00, actually thinking this team will finally start that run Hawk keeps promising me...

...which is just as probable as Boston passing the Sox in the WC race. The Sox have been playing inconsistent, crappy baseball for a good portion of this season and they're .5 games back of the wild card. Will they get much better in these last few weeks? Probably not, but I don't see them getting much worse, either.

This is the team. This is how they are. This is how they will be and yes, it is just good enough to have a VERY good shot at the WC. They could even accidentally end up in first place if their schizo switch flips again like it did against the Yanks, Tex, and Detroit. You don't know. You can't. So I guess go ahead and make worst case scenario predictions if it makes you feel better.

cheezheadsoxfan
09-04-2006, 10:58 PM
And finally, I have been saying it ALL YEAR and I will say it again, McCarthy is NOT a reliever, he could have been the savior had he been a starter all year, but he dosent have the mentality or pitches to be a reliever.

Exactly.

Parrothead
09-04-2006, 10:59 PM
Where does someone find the win/lose records for when a team score 5 or 4 or 3 runs or less?

Mohoney
09-04-2006, 10:59 PM
If somebody can please say something other than it is only September 4 and we went through the same thing last year please do it.

This team's problems are fixable because most of them are of their own making.

TheOldRoman
09-04-2006, 11:00 PM
I can just imagine you lecturing the team as you go ape**** in the clubhouse:

"Since you *******s aren't doing a ****ing thing with these bats anyway, I'm going to smash them all one by one against this wall. Julian ****ing Tavarez? Isn't he the Latino Sean Lowe? Give me a ****ing break!!!!"

<smash, smash, smash go the bats> :rolleyes:
You are right, and I was 100% serious. I should never be allowed to manage a baseball team.:rolleyes:

SOXSINCE'70
09-04-2006, 11:00 PM
What ever you do, DO NOT turn on Sportcenter after you do that or you will :puking:

Don't worry.My Crap City Cable Company boycott remains intact.
I feel like vomitting after this game,Crap City or no Crap City.:puking:

ilsox7
09-04-2006, 11:00 PM
So I guess go ahead and make worst case scenario predictions if it makes you feel better.

People do it so they can have an "I told you so" attitude. Then, if their "prediction" flops (like they did last year) they can be there celebrating along with everyone else, claiming they believed the entire way. Then you repeat the cycle the following year. We've seen it before and we'll see it again.

TheLittleBulldog
09-04-2006, 11:01 PM
...which is just as probable as Boston passing the Sox in the WC race. The Sox have been playing inconsistent, crappy baseball for a good portion of this season and they're .5 games back of the wild card. Will they get much better in these last few weeks? Probably not, but I don't see them getting much worse, either.

This is the team. This is how they are. This is how they will be and yes, it is just good enough to have a VERY good shot at the WC. They could even accidentally end up in first place if their schizo switch flips again like it did against the Yanks, Tex, and Detroit. You don't know. You can't. So I guess go ahead and make worst case scenario predictions if it makes you feel better.

My point was that Boston will be a greatly improved ballclub over the next 4 weeks. They will pass the White Sox.

Chips
09-04-2006, 11:02 PM
:threadsucks

Well most of it.

JB98
09-04-2006, 11:02 PM
Obviously Ramirez is a great player, but it seemed like Jenks didn't have the stones to pitch to him. Our closer, the guy with the 100 mph fastball, and he wouldn't pitch to him! The dreaded lead-off walk, which scores over 40% of the time, and seemingly higher than that in game situations like that was. That made no damn sense.

We're still in a race, but we have to play hungrier and more aggressive than that.

I was actually glad Ramirez was leading off the inning. I thought to myself, "The best he can do is tie it, and if we get him out, this will be a victory." Walking him on four pitches just pumps life into the opposing dugout. Be aggressive. Challenge. Ramirez is a great player, but he's not God. He's just returning to the lineup from an injury. His timing might be off. Maybe he'll pop up. Maybe he'll hit an at-'em ball.

I really hate walks.

JB98
09-04-2006, 11:04 PM
My point was that Boston will be a greatly improved ballclub over the next 4 weeks. They will pass the White Sox.

No they won't. Their pitching staff is banged up and even worse than ours. They are 5.5 games behind. If we win even one game in this series, the party is over for Boston.

1951Campbell
09-04-2006, 11:05 PM
:rolleyes:
Ok, tell us all, why we should be encouraged? Tell us why we shouldn't think handing games away will cost us. Please tell us why losing to the Royals 5 of the last 8 times shouldn't concern us. Most importantly, tell us why the Sox are suddenly going to snap out of it.

As I explained the other day, the Sox, Tigers, and Twins are all trying very hard to piss things away right now. The Tigers are wilting, the Twins had a good run but are now petering out. The AL Central is the best division in baseball but it can still be had by backing into the playoffs. And should the Sox make it to the playoffs--which I think they will--what exactly scares you about the Yankees (a softball team with pitching woes) or the A's (a Beane team that is probably ordained by God to go out in the ALDS)? And since when is 0.5 games out of the playoffs with 25 to play insurmountable? Maybe this year's playoff run isn't going to be 11-1. If it ain't, I can still deal with it.

Anyway, say hi to Mayor Menino for me. :wink:

TheOldRoman
09-04-2006, 11:05 PM
People do it so they can have an "I told you so" attitude. Then, if their "prediction" flops (like they did last year) they can be there celebrating along with everyone else, claiming they believed the entire way. Then you repeat the cycle the following year. We've seen it before and we'll see it again.
You know, that is what I always said about Lip and Hangar. I'm not sure Lip is like that, but I know for sure Hangar was. He was so sick and twisted that as much as he hated losing, he loved it because he got to say he was right and the Sox were cheap and stupid.
To be honest with you, I don't believe this team will turn it around. I have no reason to believe they will. I think we will see the same **** for the rest of the year. I would be thrilled to eat my words, but I don't think I will. If the Sox don't make the playoffs, what is there for me to boast about? That I saw the writing on the wall because the team was playing horrible lately, and was inconsistant the entire year? I must be Nostradamus.

kitekrazy
09-04-2006, 11:07 PM
One thing this team needs to work on is hitting to the opposite field so every breaking ball pitcher doesn't look like CY Young.

PaulDrake
09-04-2006, 11:09 PM
Wow. Wow? I can see where the poster is coming from. The White Sox are 23-29 since the Boston series at home before the All Star break. During that time they've played some of the most uninspiring ball you'd ever want to see your favorite team play. They don't look like, they don't act like and they don't play like the team that won a WS last year. I don't know why so many are surprised that many Sox fans are shall we say upset. Lastly, I don't wish to just single out you. I just think it looks there will be no playoffs this year, or at best a 3 and out. Hell yes, pile the crow on my plate if I'm wrong.

ilsox7
09-04-2006, 11:09 PM
You know, that is what I always said about Lip and Hangar. I'm not sure Lip is like that, but I know for sure Hangar was. He was so sick and twisted that as much as he hated losing, he loved it because he got to say he was right and the Sox were cheap and stupid.
To be honest with you, I don't believe this team will turn it around. I have no reason to believe they will. I think we will see the same **** for the rest of the year. I would be thrilled to eat my words, but I don't think I will. If the Sox don't make the playoffs, what is there for me to boast about? That I saw the writing on the wall because the team was playing horrible lately, and was inconsistant the entire year? I must be Nostradamus.
Just want to be clear I by no means meant you, or anyone here, specifically. But I've seen numerous occasions where people make 10 predictions of futility for the Sox and when 1 of the 10 comes through, they are boasting left and right how they were right, and no one listened to them, and how they were called a moron. You may not do it, but there are plenty of posts indicating people who do.

Also, last year, we made the playoffs. We won it all. If things don't finish that way this year, you'll see numerous people pontificating how if the Sox had followed their advice and done this or that, then we would have won it all. I hope to God that scenario is prevented b/c of a successful 7.5 weeks stretch of baseball.

Beautox
09-04-2006, 11:11 PM
Nice Game Jon Garland, thank you for making me eat my words from the begining of this season. This offense can't be so pull happy. Bobby has been great all year and he faltered, we will get them tomorrow. McCarthy should'nt have been out there in that situation he hasn't been good close and late and is an extreme fly ball pitcher then next reliever out of that pen should've been Boone and heres why, hes an extreme GB/K pitcher and has a ML save along with closing for AAA, he could've handled that situation better than McCarthy. Gload should've PH, but not for anderson, for Uribe and his free swining ways. O well, this season isn't over, but this team needs to wake up, Nice work Matt, and Mike out of the BP.

billyvsox
09-04-2006, 11:11 PM
Alot of complaints lately about everyone swinging for the fences and not doing the little things. He is my theory on why that is happening.

Prentend your Scott Podsednik and all you have been hearing lately is how bad you have been lately and we need you to get on base and makes things happen, etc.

So Scotty gets a bunt single and inn the FIRST pitch Iguchi swings and hits into a DP. So if I'm Podsednik, I have to ask myself why bunt and do what it takes to get on base, I would have better off trying to kill the ball and maybe homering.

Just a thought. I goes to show how it ALL starts and ends with the manager. Do NOT rip a player for not doing his job, if you are not going to support him (by MAKING Tadahito hit and run or take a few pitches) when he does do his job.

JB98
09-04-2006, 11:12 PM
You know, that is what I always said about Lip and Hangar. I'm not sure Lip is like that, but I know for sure Hangar was. He was so sick and twisted that as much as he hated losing, he loved it because he got to say he was right and the Sox were cheap and stupid.
To be honest with you, I don't believe this team will turn it around. I have no reason to believe they will. I think we will see the same **** for the rest of the year. I would be thrilled to eat my words, but I don't think I will. If the Sox don't make the playoffs, what is there for me to boast about? That I saw the writing on the wall because the team was playing horrible lately, and was inconsistant the entire year? I must be Nostradamus.

I thought we were screwed last year, and I got proven wrong. That's why I said earlier in the thread that I learned a lesson. Play it all the way out, all the way to the end, because you never know.

Nothing is going right at this moment. There's no arguing that. Detroit and Minnesota go head-to-head this weekend. Somebody has to lose. We'll have a chance to gain ground on somebody. Let's see where we are in another week.

That's the best rah-rah speech I can summon right now. I'm ever bit as pissed as you are. There's nothing I hate more than losing. A grown man shouldn't care about a baseball team's fortunes this much.

1951Campbell
09-04-2006, 11:13 PM
Wow? I can see where the poster is coming from.

Yeah, they're coming from angry-land after seeing the Sox **** up an eminently winable game. But that doesn't mean "it's over!", which is the clear subtext of many of the posts here, that's all.

MadetoOrta
09-04-2006, 11:14 PM
What sucks so much is how the division is for the taking. Det and Minn are playing average at best. We've really blown a chance for something special. I'm with Lip, end this now. For the polyannas talking about "we're still in the race etc..." please, we're world champs. We should be in the race. KW put a squad together that sure seemed ready to win 100+ games. This is as disappointing as 1984, maybe more disappointing.

TheOldRoman
09-04-2006, 11:14 PM
Just want to be clear I by no means meant you, or anyone here, specifically. But I've seen numerous occasions where people make 10 predictions of futility for the Sox and when 1 of the 10 comes through, they are boasting left and right how they were right, and no one listened to them, and how they were called a moron. You may not do it, but there are plenty of posts indicating people who do.

Also, last year, we made the playoffs. We won it all. If things don't finish that way this year, you'll see numerous people pontificating how if the Sox had followed their advice and done this or that, then we would have won it all. I hope to God that scenario is prevented b/c of a successful 7.5 weeks stretch of baseball.
I know that you weren't refering to me specifically, but a lot of people have replied to my posts so far. I agree that there are a lot of "doom and gloom" people who forcast things just so they can say they told you so. That is why I don't go on Soxtalk. From the stuff I read there, probably 75% of the posters are dark clouds. And for the record, I was 100% on board last year, even at our darkest moment (which was after losing the extra inning game against Santana after the Cleveland series at home). I believed in last year's team. I don't believe in this team anymore.

Corlose 15
09-04-2006, 11:15 PM
Sigh, this **** doesn't even surprise me anymore. This team is five games under .500 since the All Star Break. THATS ****ING PATHETIC!!!!!!


Everyday the "Don't worry its date X" gets closer and closer to the end of the season. I'm convinced that this team is going to tease you until the last week of the season and have you holding out hope and then in true White Sox fashion **** the bed the last week in Minnesota. :(: MAN I HOPE I'M WRONG.


http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:830CUnkVZEXvfM:capefeare.com/milhouse.gif (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://capefeare.com/milhouse.gif&imgrefurl=http://capefeare.com/grabpics.php&h=626&w=474&sz=20&tbnid=830CUnkVZEXvfM:&tbnh=136&tbnw=103&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmilhouse&start=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=1)
"I fear to watch, yet I cannot turn away!"


That said, I remember saying to my brother after the loss to Santana in September of last year that if the Sox made the playoffs they'd be out right away because they weren't hitting for ****. They then went on a HISTORIC run. I sadly don't think they have that in them this year.

samram
09-04-2006, 11:16 PM
As I explained the other day, the Sox, Tigers, and Twins are all trying very hard to piss things away right now. The Tigers are wilting, the Twins had a good run but are now petering out. The AL Central is the best division in baseball but it can still be had by backing into the playoffs. And should the Sox make it to the playoffs--which I think they will--what exactly scares you about the Yankees (a softball team with pitching woes) or the A's (a Beane team that is probably ordained by God to go out in the ALDS)? And since when is 0.5 games out of the playoffs with 25 to play insurmountable? Maybe this year's playoff run isn't going to be 11-1. If it ain't, I can still deal with it.

Anyway, say hi to Mayor Menino for me. :wink:

Yeah, but you've got to admit it takes a bit of time to get comfortable with the thought that maybe the teams you're battling will just be a little worse than you and you can back in. People want to see some sign from the team that they're going to go out and win the pennant, not just not lose it.

I would also say that the goal is to win the World Series, not make the playoffs, and that a lot of people try to view this team from that perspective- I think it would be very difficult to say this is a championship caliber team as of now.

cheezheadsoxfan
09-04-2006, 11:17 PM
You know, I think what irritates me the most about this post-game thread is that it seems like everyone is so fickle.

I hate to say this, but the one good quality about Cubs fans is that somehow, even though the Cubs are awful and they hardly ever win anything, they still have a loyal fan base to back them up (even if they are all drunken idiots).



I agree with you in spirit. Sometimes the anger on here is a little hard to take, however, I like to think it is passion for the team that brings it on.

As far as Cub fans go half of them are tourists or just at Wrigley because it's an open air singles bar. It's easy to stay calm and smiling when the actual product on the field isn't that important to you. I do know some hardcore Cub fans and they get just as pissy as we do.

Also, if the devil had appeared to any of us last year and said I'll give you one World Championship but after that nothing is guaranteed, I think most of us would have taken the deal.

I won't give up until the math says it's over. GO SOX1

PaulDrake
09-04-2006, 11:17 PM
You know, I think what irritates me the most about this post-game thread is that it seems like everyone is so fickle.

I hate to say this, but the one good quality about Cubs fans is that somehow, even though the Cubs are awful and they hardly ever win anything, they still have a loyal fan base to back them up (even if they are all drunken idiots).

Seems like everyone has forgotten that the Sox are only 1/2 game out of the Wild Card and have just as good a chance as the Twins for making the playoffs. If this season has proven anything to us, it's that you can't predict the future and you can't determine how one game is going to be based on the previous one. I wouldn't give up just yet and for those who have, well, the Sox won't need you as fans anyway. The day I start feeling, thinking, and acting like a cub fan is the day I head on down to a tall bridge that's a couple of blocks from my house.

Myrtle72
09-04-2006, 11:17 PM
McCarthy should'nt have been out there in that situation he hasn't been good close and late and is an extreme fly ball pitcher then next reliever out of that pen should've been Boone and heres why, hes an extreme GB/K pitcher and has a ML save along with closing for AAA, he could've handled that situation better than McCarthy.

Boone would never be the next one out there because Ozzie doesn't "trust" him yet.

Credefan21
09-04-2006, 11:17 PM
Old Roman is right. So are the other realists on this board. You Pollyannas are pathetic. The Bottom Line is this team offense and pitching rarely clicks together. It hasn't all year and it isn't going to make a large consistent run now. Some people on this board amaze me. Maybe half of you are so drunk by the time the game is over, or that you are just dumb. I don't know.. But to be all calm and collected and say "we will be fine" like you all have since July is completely stupid. Pollayannas FTL (For the loss).

Dan H
09-04-2006, 11:18 PM
Another one-run loss, another extra inning loss. The White Sox won these games last year. That is one reason they are now in third instead of leading this divison.

I see no life in this team. We keep waiting for them to turn the corner but the season is fading away and the Sox have become a sinking ship. It is just incredible that a team that could have 4 guys with over 30 HRS and over 100 RBIs could finish out of the playoffs.

Beautox
09-04-2006, 11:18 PM
Boone would never be the next one out there because Ozzie doesn't "trust" him yet.

why not, he trusted him early in the year when Boone didn't have confidence to go against Hafner in a tie game.

FarWestChicago
09-04-2006, 11:19 PM
Old Roman is right. So are the other realists on this board. You Pollyannas are pathetic. The Bottom Line is this team offense and pitching rarely clicks together. It hasn't all year and it isn't going to make a large consistent run now. Some people on this board amaze me. Maybe half of you are so drunk by the time the game is over, or that you are just dumb. I don't know.. But to be all calm and collected and say "we will be fine" like you all have since July is completely stupid. Pollayannas FTL (For the loss).You really need to take a break from the site for a while. You have serious issues with depression and anger.

JB98
09-04-2006, 11:20 PM
I know that you weren't refering to me specifically, but a lot of people have replied to my posts so far. I agree that there are a lot of "doom and gloom" people who forcast things just so they can say they told you so. That is why I don't go on Soxtalk. From the stuff I read there, probably 75% of the posters are dark clouds. And for the record, I was 100% on board last year, even at our darkest moment (which was after losing the extra inning game against Santana after the Cleveland series at home). I believed in last year's team. I don't believe in this team anymore.

You're the opposite of me. I was falling apart at the seams at this time last year. Winning it all mellowed me somewhat. I'm less inclined to panic now because I saw that you can recover from a horse**** stretch of regular-season play to win the World Series.

Last year's second-half skid didn't last as long as this one though. We've been mediocre to bad for two months now. My confidence is definitely waning, I still have hope that good things could happen in October if we could just get into the playoffs. Qualifying for the postseason was the hardest part last season. It will be the hardest part this year.

TheOldRoman
09-04-2006, 11:20 PM
Old Roman is right. So are the other realists on this board. You Pollyannas are pathetic. The Bottom Line is this team offense and pitching rarely clicks together. It hasn't all year and it isn't going to make a large consistent run now. Some people on this board amaze me. Maybe half of you are so drunk by the time the game is over that you are just dumb. I don't know.. But to be all calm and collected and say "we will be fine" like you all have since July is completely stupid. Pollayannas FTL (For the loss). I never said anyone was pathetic, don't take my words out of context. I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel, and I said so.
I just don't like people telling ME that I am ridiculous for NOT anticipating the Sox suddently going on a run of playing solid ball after not doing it the whole year.

voodoochile
09-04-2006, 11:20 PM
My point was that Boston will be a greatly improved ballclub over the next 4 weeks. They will pass the White Sox.

:whoflungpoo

CaptainBallz
09-04-2006, 11:21 PM
What sucks so much is how the division is for the taking. Det and Minn are playing average at best. We've really blown a chance for something special. I'm with Lip, end this now. For the polyannas talking about "we're still in the race etc..." please, we're world champs. We should be in the race. KW put a squad together that sure seemed ready to win 100+ games. This is as disappointing as 1984, maybe more disappointing.

How are the Sox NOT in the race?!? It's not pollyanna to state the FACT that indeed they are. Up until an hour or so ago, they were leading the flippin race.

They could very well still get in the playoffs playing the obnoxious brand of schizoball they've been playing all year. It's just a fact that people on the ledge have to deal with.

infohawk
09-04-2006, 11:22 PM
This season definitely has a discernable pattern and it's not a good one. The offense has been absolutely brutal lately. I hope we make the playoffs, but in all honesty I don't see this season ending with champaign anyhow. I hope I'm proven wrong.

The gut-kick is likely coming. It's just a matter of whether it's in the regular season or the playoffs. They just don't have "it" this year. There's a tremendous amount of talent on the team but also a tremendous amount of inconsistency all the way around.

To me, the biggest problem has been the totally unexpected struggles from the starting rotation over the summer. Mark started well, faltered big time for a long time and seems to have turned it around. Jose was awesome until he had the sciatica around the All-Star break and hasn't been the same since. Jon was aweful early on but is now our best pitcher. Javy, well, you know. Freddy with his loss of velocity has been maddening and he only has a decent record because he benefited from good run support early on. The offense was good enough for long enough and actually masked some of the pitching problems in May, June and parts of July. KW ended up piecing a pretty good bullpen together.

I'm not totally writing them off, but I just don't know if there is another gear at this point. If things don't work out, the Sox would be in the very distinguished company of teams that won the World Series and failed to repeat the following year. It's very, very hard to do.

1951Campbell
09-04-2006, 11:23 PM
I would also say that the goal is to win the World Series, not make the playoffs, and that a lot of people try to view this team from that perspective- I think it would be very difficult to say this is a championship caliber team as of now.

True, the goal is the WS. But like I said above, the Yanks, Twins, A's and Tigers aren't projecting Championship swagger either.

My major objection is the WSI meme that it's over right now.

Anyway, I'm sure things will seem better in the light of day tomorrow.

Myrtle72
09-04-2006, 11:23 PM
why not, he trusted him early in the year when Boone didn't have confidence to go against Hafner in a tie game.

Early in the year? There wasn't a Wild Card/Division race going on early in the year. Or at least, not like it is now.

And in regards to the other comments:

I am not trying to say, "We will be fine" but I AM trying to say that I think people are giving up just a bit early. Sure, it's frustrating. Sure, it's hard to watch. And sure, it looks like we're going downhill right now, but you can't predict the future and I think it's definitely premature to be saying thing like, "The Red Sox are eventually going to pass us" or "We're going to end up 5 games out of the Wild Card", etc.

JB98
09-04-2006, 11:25 PM
Boone would never be the next one out there because Ozzie doesn't "trust" him yet.

And I don't trust Boone either. He's not ready to be out there in a 2-2 tie in the bottom of the 10th at Fenway Park in the heat of a tight pennant race. The kid is a rookie. He's been at Charlotte most of the year. One good inning at Kansas City doesn't mean he's ready for that type of pressure. Remember, this is the same kid who forgot to cover first base on a grounder to the right side of the infield TWICE in the SAME INNING.

I posted in the game thread, if we score in the 10th, stay with Jenks. If it remains tied, go with McCarthy. I agreed with Ozzie's decision at the time, and I refuse to second-guess it now.

ilsox7
09-04-2006, 11:25 PM
I am not trying to say, "We will be fine" but I AM trying to say that I think people are giving up just a bit early. Sure, it's frustrating. Sure, it's hard to watch. And sure, it looks like we're going downhill right now, but you can't predict the future and I think it's definitely premature to be saying thing like, "The Red Sox are eventually going to pass us" or "We're going to end up 5 games out of the Wild Card", etc.
Well said. There are only a couple of teams in baseball right now that have playoff spots all but guaranteed. Half the league is out of the race. And here we are, smack dab in the middle of a race for a playoff spot. No one should be supremely confident or guarantee this team is going to the playoffs. Just as no one should say they are dead. Seriously, if you think the team is dead, stop watching. Go watch Laguna Beach or something.

0o0o0
09-04-2006, 11:25 PM
Where does someone find the win/lose records for when a team score 5 or 4 or 3 runs or less?

So 5 runs or less? :cool:

FarWestChicago
09-04-2006, 11:26 PM
My major objection is the WSI meme that it's over right now.You'll never find a more capable group of quitters than you will at WSI. :redneck

NoNeckEra
09-04-2006, 11:26 PM
Old Roman is right. So are the other realists on this board. You Pollyannas are pathetic. The Bottom Line is this team offense and pitching rarely clicks together. It hasn't all year and it isn't going to make a large consistent run now. Some people on this board amaze me. Maybe half of you are so drunk by the time the game is over, or that you are just dumb. I don't know.. But to be all calm and collected and say "we will be fine" like you all have since July is completely stupid. Pollayannas FTL (For the loss).
I haven't read one post so far tonight that says the Sox are playing well, or are a cinch to make the playoffs. But realistic people understand that the way the rest of the contenders are playing, we're right in the race. If you don't want to "back into" the wild card spot, then just quit visiting this site and call it a year for yourself.
I'll take a playoff spot anyway I can and take my chances.

Myrtle72
09-04-2006, 11:27 PM
Seriously, if you think the team is dead, stop watching. Go watch Laguna Beach or something.

Haha. Yes, I completely agree.

voodoochile
09-04-2006, 11:28 PM
You'll never find a more capable group of quitters than you will at WSI. :redneck

Some are so accomplished they can do it 2 or even 3 times a week...

100 Year Itch
09-04-2006, 11:29 PM
The Road Ahead

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/hnx/newslet/summer03/fog.jpg

batmanZoSo
09-04-2006, 11:30 PM
True, the goal is the WS. But like I said above, the Yanks, Twins, A's and Tigers aren't projecting Championship swagger either.

My major objection is the WSI meme that it's over right now.

Anyway, I'm sure things will seem better in the light of day tomorrow.

A year ago today, the Sox hardly looked like the future World Champions. Things change in a heartbeat. I'm not saying they will, but they do. What else could we tell ourselves. Or hit ourselves with...

Myrtle72
09-04-2006, 11:32 PM
The fact that this team has been so unpredictable this year has been a consistant cirticism in WSI, but it may work out in our favor at this point, no?

Corlose 15
09-04-2006, 11:32 PM
The Road Ahead

http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/hnx/newslet/summer03/fog.jpg

Haha, nicely done.

PicktoCLick72
09-04-2006, 11:33 PM
As much as I want to believe it, I just don't see the fight in the team this year. They do not have the killer instinct. It seems like Minnesota and Detroit just want it more. They have to turn it around quick.

JB98
09-04-2006, 11:33 PM
I haven't read one post so far tonight that says the Sox are playing well, or are a cinch to make the playoffs. But realistic people understand that the way the rest of the contenders are playing, we're right in the race. If you don't want to "back into" the wild card spot, then just quit visiting this site and call it a year for yourself.
I'll take a playoff spot anyway I can and take my chances.

Do you all remember Rowand's comment when he was interviewed for the 2005 DVD?

"Once we clinched in Detroit, all the pressure came off."

That's the straw I'm clutching at right now. We are coughing, hacking and wheezing our way toward the finish line right now. But if we find a way to get in, maybe all the pressure will come off again, and we'll play our best ball of the season in the playoffs.

Yeah, I know there are 100 reasons why that isn't rational. But if you can't conjure up some reason for hope, or trick yourself into having hope, what's the point of watching?

batmanZoSo
09-04-2006, 11:38 PM
As much as I want to believe it, I just don't see the fight in the team this year. They do not have the killer instinct. It seems like Minnesota and Detroit just want it more. They have to turn it around quick.

You're not watching their games then, because it's obvious that neither of the three seem to want it that badly.

samram
09-04-2006, 11:42 PM
True, the goal is the WS. But like I said above, the Yanks, Twins, A's and Tigers aren't projecting Championship swagger either.

My major objection is the WSI meme that it's over right now.

Anyway, I'm sure things will seem better in the light of day tomorrow.

That's a good point about the other contenders in the AL. I guess I just want to see the Sox be the team to grab the bull by the horns and start projecting said swagger. I hope it will. It's going to take two more pitchers to turn it around (Buehrle may almost be there) and it sure would be nice for the guy hitting leadoff to get hot again.

cheeses_h_rice
09-04-2006, 11:42 PM
Minnesota 79-57 .581 -
Chicago Sox 79-58 .577 .5

With 25 games left to play, I'm pretty sure .5 games is not an insurmountable lead.

:thumbsup:

Chips
09-04-2006, 11:44 PM
Minnesota 79-57 .581 -
Chicago Sox 79-58 .577 .5

With 25 games left to play, I'm pretty sure .5 games is not an insurmountable lead.

:thumbsup:

You ****ing Pollyanna, didn't you get the memo?

WE'RE DOOMED

:)

samram
09-04-2006, 11:45 PM
You're not watching their games then, because it's obvious that neither of the three seem to want it that badly.

Yeah, this is not a "fire" or "desire" issue. It's an issue of having mediocre starting pitching which makes it hard to go on long runs.

batmanZoSo
09-04-2006, 11:47 PM
Yeah, this is not a "fire" or "desire" issue. It's an issue of having mediocre starting pitching which makes it hard to go on long runs.

No, actually all three teams really don't care about making the playoffs. I mean what's the point? A few thousand in bonus checks in exchange for a month shorter offseason? Forget that.

Like when Homer said the dolphins wanted it more--no, they just had more talent.

kevingrt
09-04-2006, 11:48 PM
Well at least you can't get any lower. Only one way and it's up or continue losing i guess.

Jerko
09-04-2006, 11:49 PM
I know half a game deficit is nothing, but to be behind a team that has had 1 and a half starting pitchers for the past month, stiffs like Rondell White, Phil Nevin, and the "three TY-nors" (punto pavarotti, placido tyner, and whatever the other guy's name is bartlett), well, that's vomit inducing IMO. And I can't believe our guys that won the World Series are so "tight" now. They've been thru it all before, this should be a piece of cake.