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Oblong
09-02-2006, 11:42 PM
When he played in Chicago how was he in the OF? I am trying to figure out if his tentativeness is due to concern over injuring himself or if he's always been this way and it's finally catching up to his 32 year old body.

I watch him every game and he's shaky on nearly every play. He looks like a person you'd see in a recreational softball game who hasn't played the OF since high school.

1951Campbell
09-02-2006, 11:44 PM
I'd say his D was average, but then again when you share an outfield with Carlos Lee you're going to seem better by comparison.

batmanZoSo
09-02-2006, 11:53 PM
Tentative is the best word to describe Maggs in the outfield. Do you ever see him really bust ass out there? He invented his "slide n' catch" for a reason. I think he has a little Roger Dorn in him. Overall though, no glaring weaknesses, no stand-out skills. Good enough.

ondafarm
09-03-2006, 12:03 AM
Maggs was a pretty smart defender, as in, he never threw to the wrong base, he made his backup assignments and he stayed in the game. He was also pretty good at moving about in expectation of the different hitters.

That being said. He never got great jumps on balls his throwing arm was only adequate, he was not speedy and he wasn't very good at playing caroms. I'd say tenative is a good word.

JorgeFabregas
09-03-2006, 12:07 AM
He used to have decent speed in right field, but a lousy arm. I think his speed is down all-around since his injury and he hasn't figured out how to adjust. Magglio's stats over the course of a full season with the White Sox were significantly better. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=3728&context=fielding

Kub_Killer_15
09-03-2006, 01:39 AM
I remember being really dissapointed hearing Magglio won't be back for the 2005 season but where would we be with out Jermaine Dye in right field? I cant recall Maggs making great diving plays or great jumps like JD does and I never thought Maggs had a strong arm just average.

LuvSox
09-03-2006, 01:40 AM
I think he has a little Roger Dorn in him.

No calisthenics in his contract? He's thinking about a Southwestern motif? What?

balke
09-03-2006, 04:51 AM
He ain't no Jermaine Dye in the field. He ain't no Jermaine Dye at the plate. But somehow, he gets paid WAY MORE. This was the best move the White Sox have made out of all the great moves in the past few seasons. I always thought Maggs was a little overvalued, and overpaid. Had he been more in love with Chicago and willing to stay for less cash I'd have respect for him. But the way he left with the money he made.... it was very easy to say goodbye. He looks so average now with his hitting and defense this season.

caulfield12
09-03-2006, 07:23 AM
In all fairness, the White Sox had that back-loaded contract that paid him $14.5 million his final season. And no team in baseball was willing to pay that amount for ONE year, let alone a multi-year deal, not at his age, not with his injury history, and not for the ultimate "non-star" star player.

The players' union always throws a fit when a player takes less in the following year, especially a FA.

Of course, Paulie, Jose and Garland ended up doing just that.

Oblong
09-03-2006, 10:01 AM
And no team in baseball was willing to pay that amount for ONE year, let alone a multi-year deal, not at his age, not with his injury history, and not for the ultimate "non-star" star player.


Ahh... but along came the Detroit Tigers to pony up not 2, not 3, not 4, but 5 years. And 2 option years to boot!

I lay off players and the contracts because nobody holds a gun to either party's head. But it's pretty tough watching a $15 million singles hitter with no defense.

He also seems like a very nice guy so it's hard to build up anger towards him.

How much is Dye making?

Tragg
09-03-2006, 10:12 AM
He had 5 really good offensive years for the Sox.
I realize that Detroit plays in a pitchers' park, but he isn't producing like he did in his prime with us.
I'll take Dye at, I would estimate, 1/3 of the price.

beckett21
09-03-2006, 10:14 AM
He had 5 really good offensive years for the Sox.
I realize that Detroit plays in a pitchers' park, but he isn't producing like he did in his prime with us.


Probably because of that damn hernia that the hernia specialists couldn't even find. :redneck

I thought I would miss him, but I don't. Not even a little bit.

Good riddance.

caulfield12
09-03-2006, 12:10 PM
Probably because of that damn hernia that the hernia specialists couldn't even find. :redneck

I thought I would miss him, but I don't. Not even a little bit.

Good riddance.


Maybe they should start looking for it in Pods instead.

Dye is slated to make $6.5 million, less than half what Magglio will make with twice the homers. Pretty good deal, we like to think of it as the best bargain in baseball.

Hopefully, KW will do the same thing he did with Garland and Contreras and offer a new package that takes into account JD signed for less to come here, and off an injury-plagued year when his salary was down.

Same thing with Crede, let's get him signed. Or he might be gone, either this offseason or at the deadline...with the leverage of Josh Fields hanging in the air.

soxinem1
09-03-2006, 01:30 PM
Maggs was a pretty smart defender, as in, he never threw to the wrong base, he made his backup assignments and he stayed in the game. He was also pretty good at moving about in expectation of the different hitters.

That being said. He never got great jumps on balls his throwing arm was only adequate, he was not speedy and he wasn't very good at playing caroms. I'd say tenative is a good word.

I agree with most of what you said, but he has always had that nagging trait of overshooting the cut off man for years. To me that was the biggest fundamental problem with his game.

A. Cavatica
09-03-2006, 03:08 PM
I thought he was steady, with slightly above average range and an average arm. When he was in the same outfield with Lee, I always wondered why we never saw Maggs in left (so he'd handle more chances than Lee) and Lee in right (where his converted-third-base arm could be more of a weapon).