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A. Cavatica
09-02-2006, 10:24 PM
The next 8 days are our best chance (and Minnesota's) to make a run at Detroit. The Tigers face Escobar, Washburn, Woods, and Meche before Minnesota comes to Detroit for four. Detroit's schedule beyond 9/10 gets very easy, except for 3 games at the Cell. Ours (and Minnesota's) stays tough.

After Redman tomorrow, we go to Boston for three. Boston is in awful shape, with Wells traded, Schilling and Lester and Papelbon injured, and Ortiz questionable (though he is expected back). We'll face the likes of Tavarez and Gabbard and Snyder. We should sweep them -- or is this a classic trap series?

Then Cleveland comes in for four. I expect them to play us very tough, but facing them while Minny plays Detroit is fine by me.

As for the Twins, the next four starters they face are named Rasner, Corcoran, Hammel, and Shields, and then they go into Detroit for four games.

If we can go 6-2 over the next eight, it doesn't matter what the other guys do.

Myrtle72
09-02-2006, 10:31 PM
After Redman tomorrow, we go to Boston for three. Boston is in awful shape, with Wells traded, Schilling and Lester and Papelbon injured, and Ortiz questionable (though he is expected back). We'll face the likes of Tavarez and Gabbard and Snyder. We should sweep them -- or is this a classic trap series?

Classic trap series.

I really don't mean to be negative, but look at our reccord. We do much better against teams over .500 and you know why? Because we try harder, we spend more time focusing on winning. With the teams under .500, we slack off because we think they're cake, but they're not as the Royals have been proving to us lately (I mean, come on, we should be beating them much more often than we are).

I hope that the White Sox realize this and give it their all, but based on their history, I have a feeling it's going to be another frustrating series.

caulfield12
09-03-2006, 06:04 AM
The next 8 days are our best chance (and Minnesota's) to make a run at Detroit. The Tigers face Escobar, Washburn, Woods, and Meche before Minnesota comes to Detroit for four. Detroit's schedule beyond 9/10 gets very easy, except for 3 games at the Cell. Ours (and Minnesota's) stays tough.

After Redman tomorrow, we go to Boston for three. Boston is in awful shape, with Wells traded, Schilling and Lester and Papelbon injured, and Ortiz questionable (though he is expected back). We'll face the likes of Tavarez and Gabbard and Snyder. We should sweep them -- or is this a classic trap series?

Then Cleveland comes in for four. I expect them to play us very tough, but facing them while Minny plays Detroit is fine by me.

As for the Twins, the next four starters they face are named Rasner, Corcoran, Hammel, and Shields, and then they go into Detroit for four games.

If we can go 6-2 over the next eight, it doesn't matter what the other guys do.

Ummm....why would we expect to gain ground when they're playing the Mariners?

Tragg
09-03-2006, 08:48 AM
That you describe the Tigers schedule as getting easy AFTER playing the Mariners demonstrates just how ridiculously easy it is.
But, these are ML teams they are playing and I just hope there is some fight left in a team like TExas by the time Detroit plays them.
Frankly, we need Detroit to play poorly (which they have been doing).

Teams like Boston, who have basically quit and packed it in, will make a stand against someone in September. I hope it's against the Yankees, or even better, the Twins.

A. Cavatica
09-03-2006, 02:12 PM
Ummm....why would we expect to gain ground when they're playing the Mariners?

The Mariners aren't a strong team but I respect Washburn and Meche. And the Mariners are considerably better than Tampa Bay, who the Twins face, and possibly better than Boston the way the Red Sox have played this month.

EDIT: The Mariners have only been outscored 608-632 this season. Boston is +15 runs (712-697) but has played a tougher schedule.

caulfield12
09-03-2006, 04:08 PM
The next 8 days are our best chance (and Minnesota's) to make a run at Detroit. The Tigers face Escobar, Washburn, Woods, and Meche before Minnesota comes to Detroit for four. Detroit's schedule beyond 9/10 gets very easy, except for 3 games at the Cell. Ours (and Minnesota's) stays tough.

After Redman tomorrow, we go to Boston for three. Boston is in awful shape, with Wells traded, Schilling and Lester and Papelbon injured, and Ortiz questionable (though he is expected back). We'll face the likes of Tavarez and Gabbard and Snyder. We should sweep them -- or is this a classic trap series?

Then Cleveland comes in for four. I expect them to play us very tough, but facing them while Minny plays Detroit is fine by me.

As for the Twins, the next four starters they face are named Rasner, Corcoran, Hammel, and Shields, and then they go into Detroit for four games.

If we can go 6-2 over the next eight, it doesn't matter what the other guys do.

Even if the Tigers lose 2/3 from here on out, we're not playing well enough to catch them.

You can make a legitimate argument the Royals are playing better than the Sox right now. They've won 4 of 7 against the Sox and have also given the Twins, A's and Red Sox fits.

We don't have reliable relievers and we have only one starting pitcher. It's as simple as that.

And our offense doesn't know how to manufacture runs on a consistent basis. The same types of swings with runners on from AJ and Uribe, no matter what the count and situation.

Brutal.

Law11
09-03-2006, 04:17 PM
We will be at .500 the rest of the season and they have done nothing to dispell that fact. if it gets us in the playoffs great but to think we are better than that youre fooling yourself.

Worrying about Detroit is just mute at this point..

It'll come down to the last 3 games in Minn facing Liriano, Santana and
everyone else in the 3rd game.. against Garland, MB and ???? vasquez? conteras? (mr. 30+ hrs) Garcia?

If we go in that series down I can already feel us self imploading..

markopat
09-03-2006, 07:21 PM
Classic trap series.

I really don't mean to be negative, but

I stopped reading immediately...thanks for the preface...

Lip Man 1
09-03-2006, 09:40 PM
Mark:

One things for sure, time will tell won't it?

They may as you say 'get hot' for three weeks or they may stay as they have been for the most part over the past five months. A very inconsistent, bad fundamental team that has to slug their way to wins and gets caught up in a 'home run' or nothing mentality.

Like I said...time will tell.

Lip

Myrtle72
09-03-2006, 09:50 PM
I stopped reading immediately...thanks for the preface...

No problem. :smile:

caulfield12
09-03-2006, 10:00 PM
Mark:

One things for sure, time will tell won't it?

They may as you say 'get hot' for three weeks or they may stay as they have been for the most part over the past five months. A very inconsistent, bad fundamental team that has to slug their way to wins and gets caught up in a 'home run' or nothing mentality.

Like I said...time will tell.

Lip

Introducing the 2005 Boston Red Sox....oops, sorry, my bad, 2006 Chicago White Sox.

Hopefully a different result at the end of the season, though.

A. Cavatica
09-03-2006, 10:34 PM
Introducing the 2005 Boston Red Sox....oops, sorry, my bad, 2006 Chicago White Sox.

Hopefully a different result at the end of the season, though.

And next season.

Nellie_Fox
09-04-2006, 01:20 AM
I believe people were talking about how crucial it was for the Sox to 6-0 or 5-1 against Tampa Bay and Kansas City. They went 3-3. Now, the next eight games turn out to be crucial. I'm getting all confused.

Grzegorz
09-04-2006, 06:47 AM
Every game is crucial.

batmanZoSo
09-04-2006, 06:50 AM
I believe people were talking about how crucial it was for the Sox to 6-0 or 5-1 against Tampa Bay and Kansas City. They went 3-3. Now, the next eight games turn out to be crucial. I'm getting all confused.

No, these really are though. These are definitely must win you know. No turning back now and so forth.

Dan H
09-04-2006, 08:32 AM
I believe people were talking about how crucial it was for the Sox to 6-0 or 5-1 against Tampa Bay and Kansas City. They went 3-3. Now, the next eight games turn out to be crucial. I'm getting all confused.

It will be confusing if fans keep looking the race this way.

The Sox need to take care of their own business and not scoreboard watch. The fact is that they had some great chances to pick up ground the last week and didn't do it. Why? Because now they are playing like a .500 club. Go .500 the rest of the way, and they will be watching the playoffs in their living rooms.

The Immigrant
09-04-2006, 10:20 AM
I will be pleasantly surprised if we play +.500 baseball the rest of the way. If you take out our hot start in April (when our starters pitched like they're supposed to) and our romp through the NL Central, we are a .500 team (actually, maybe a game or two below .500). I'll leave it to others to analyze the reasons for that, but I've come to expect .500 ball from this team and anything better is just gravy.

sox1970
09-04-2006, 10:31 AM
The rest of the season is an important stretch. We need 4 wins per week, and the Twins need 3 losses per week. 16-10 as long as one of the wins are against the Twins should be enough.

viagracat
09-04-2006, 11:39 AM
I believe people were talking about how crucial it was for the Sox to 6-0 or 5-1 against Tampa Bay and Kansas City. They went 3-3. Now, the next eight games turn out to be crucial. I'm getting all confused.

Right. Some people insisted that unless we went 6-0, we were "finished". Last I looked, we're still in the WC card. All the AL Central competitors are gasping for air a little right now, and Boston is about to pack it in.

Question is, what team will get that second wind first?

The one thing the Sox have going is that they tend to step it up when they play better teams. I'm through trying to figure out why they don't against the "patsies". If they play the kind of ball they're capable of, they're in the playoffs. If they don't, they won't. Simple as that.

Boston is depleted, although some of their big guns (Varitek, Nixon, Ortiz) may be available, and for certain they will be desperate. The Sox will have their hands full in this series, and then they have four vs Cleveland, a team that would love to complicate the Sox's playoff chances. But these are the kind of games that may wake up the Sox. We'll see.

A. Cavatica
09-04-2006, 04:17 PM
I believe people were talking about how crucial it was for the Sox to 6-0 or 5-1 against Tampa Bay and Kansas City. They went 3-3. Now, the next eight games turn out to be crucial. I'm getting all confused.

Nellie:

It beats admitting that the season is over.

batmanZoSo
09-04-2006, 04:58 PM
Nellie:

It beats admitting that the season is over.

Which, considering we share a lead for the Wild Card, would be quite silly.

thomas35forever
09-04-2006, 05:12 PM
We just need to win 15 more games and we'll be fine. Don't worry yet.

Flight #24
09-04-2006, 07:45 PM
Here's the problem: A relatively healthy Sox team has tread water against the dregs of the league. Minnesota has done the same, but they have significant losses on the pitching staff.....and they're likely to soon get one of their "big guns" back.

Bottom line, the Sox need to step it up, because it's highly likely that the Twins will when Liriano comes back (reports are he's feeling fine after extended bullpen outings). Yes, he could struggle and/or go out again, but he could also return to dominance which would mean Minnesota likely wins at a higher rate than they have the past few weeks.

But even if they just keep pace, the Sox will only put themselves in position to have to win at least 1 game against Santana/Liriano the final weekend. Which is a tall tall order.

All of this only happens if they continue to play like crap. Hopefully they do not. Although the results tonight through 6 against Julian "Cy" Tavarez don't make me hopeful.

Mohoney
09-04-2006, 08:56 PM
Although the results tonight through 6 against Julian "Cy" Tavarez don't make me hopeful.

No ****. Pathetic.

A. Cavatica
09-04-2006, 09:21 PM
After tonight, the season is not over, but it gets a lot tougher from here. We pretty much need to run off a long streak and hope that Minny and Detroit continue to play .500 ball. And I am not seeing any signs that we're about to run off such a streak.

A. Cavatica
09-10-2006, 04:11 PM
The next 8 days are our best chance (and Minnesota's) to make a run at Detroit.

If we can go 6-2 over the next eight, it doesn't matter what the other guys do.

Results: Detroit went 2-6.

Minnesota went 5-3 and closed to 2 games behind Detroit.

We went 3-5, blowing three games that we should have won. And even though Detroit went 2-6, we only gained one game on them.

Heffalump
09-10-2006, 04:23 PM
I love all these "the next ____ games are huge" threads. EVERY game is huge now, it doesn't matter who we are playing or who MIN and DET are playing. It simply comes down to the Sox executing and winning THEIR games.

As someone said in the game thread, the Sox just can't seem to get out of second gear and put a streak together. That has been the story since the all-star break and they are running out of time to get it done. I still have faith in this team and think it is going to come down to that last series in MIN.

Now my faith in Ozzie's decision making ability is slowly dwindling. He needs to forget about his ego, his documentary, and his commercials, and start making some solid, logical decisions on the field. BlackJack's comments yesterday about Ozzie not giving the bullpen a rest yesterday really rang true today.