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caulfield12
09-02-2006, 02:03 AM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-060901soxbrite,1,5770942.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

But I prefer Roberto Alomar, to tell you the truth. :rolleyes:

DaleJRFan
09-02-2006, 02:05 AM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-060901soxbrite,1,5770942.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

But I prefer Roberto Alomar, to tell you the truth. :rolleyes:

well, at least he is warming to the idea of someone else leading off. Though, its a little late...

QCIASOXFAN
09-02-2006, 02:07 AM
Give him a shot and see what happens. It can't be worse then what we got at that spot now. Maybe he will have a Delmon Young type start to his career!

caulfield12
09-02-2006, 02:11 AM
well, at least he is warming to the idea of someone else leading off. Though, its a little late...

Nothing's too late when we have a month left of games, a 1/2 game lead in the WC and our opponent has a rotation of Bonser, Baker, Garza and Silva/Matt Ginter.

StillMissOzzie
09-02-2006, 02:20 AM
Nothing's too late when we have a month left of games, a 1/2 game lead in the WC and our opponent has a rotation of Bonser, Baker, Garza and Silva/Matt Ginter.

I think you missed someone very important in that Twinkie rotation...

SMO
:gulp:

caulfield12
09-02-2006, 02:26 AM
Well, sure, Santana is only one starter.....and we have Garland, who's been nearly as effective in his own unique laid-back Garland fashion.

But if you took our 2-6 guys (including McCarthy) against their current 2-6, nobody in the world would pick the Twins, would they?

StillMissOzzie
09-02-2006, 02:32 AM
Well, sure, Liriano is only one starter.....and we have Garland, who's been nearly as effective in his own unique laid-back Garland fashion.

But if you took our 2-6 guys (including McCarthy) against their current 2-6, nobody in the world would pick the Twins, would they?

OK, forget the subtle hints:

YOU STILL HAVEN'T INCLUDED SANTANA!!!

SMO
:gulp:

Soxfanspcu11
09-02-2006, 02:41 AM
Sounds alright to me! It really can't be worse than Pods right now. It's worth a shot. Baseball is such an amazing game, that you just never know what will happen. You never know what will spark your team and take you where you need to be.

Not really the same thing, but just for comparison and arguments sake, let's take a look at the 1988 World Series between Oakland and Los Angeles. We all know the situation and what happened of course, but if Gibson never hits that homerun, it is very likely that everything is different and Oakland wins the series.

Yes it is a bit of stretch to say that Sweeney will provide the spark that ignites this team to explode, but you never know!

Pods right now just looks HORRID! He looks like he has no confidence what so ever and really worst of all, he seems like he doesn't care. Obviously I have no idea what is really going on with him, but that is just the vibe I am getting from him right now. It's almost as if he knows that he won't be on the team next year, like he has already gotten the call from Kenny that he won't be back and he is going through the motions. I really hope I am totally wrong, but that's just what it looks like.:(:

MrX
09-02-2006, 03:52 AM
I'd settle for Mack in LF at this point.

ShoelessJoeS
09-02-2006, 04:02 AM
I guess Pablo doesn't matter to Ozzie anymore?

BainesHOF
09-02-2006, 04:17 AM
I'm all for benching Podsednik against certain tough lefties, but at this point I think it remains in our best interest to play him. I think it's fair to say a hot Podsednik in the playoffs would do wonders for our chances in the playoffs. His upside is too great to just right him off at this point of the season. Granted he's not the same player he was before his injury, but if he can just hit a little better he's still a presence on the bases, and I think Iguchi feeds off Podsednik to a certain extent.

I sit in the bleachers and hear the stupid things that people yell at Podsednik and see how certain morons are taunting him when he goes out to left field. I'm sure his opinion of some Sox fans is pretty low at this point. Why would you boo a guy who helped us so much in winning the World Series? He's struggling mightily at this point, but do you really think he's not trying his best? His head is just screwed up right now as his confidence is at an all-time low. Hopefully he snaps out of it soon.

Fans have been way too quick to jump on players and be jerky to them this season. They don't have the first clue how to handle a little success. There's a lot of white trash people sitting in the outfield who embarrass themselves as soon as any little thing doesn't go right for us. It's too bad the players are treated as if they're on the road in their home park.

Grzegorz
09-02-2006, 06:20 AM
If Sweeney can improve the OBP from the leadoff spot in addition to stealing bases then I am all for it.

That one big if...

voodoochile
09-02-2006, 06:28 AM
I think you missed someone very important in that Twinkie rotation...

SMO
:gulp:

And with good reason. You should never say the name of he who shall remain nameless... might bring his attention to you. :tongue:

DachnoPiitu
09-02-2006, 07:13 AM
Can we just agree to put Brian in center for the rest of the season?:bandance:

caulfield12
09-02-2006, 07:55 AM
And with good reason. You should never say the name of he who shall remain nameless... might bring his attention to you. :tongue:

Look, obviously Santana is in their rotation, the team's won 21 games in a row at home that he's started. We don't need to demoralize ourselves further worrying about that final series of the season.

I was pretty surprised we're a .500 team in games that Contreras has started. That's an amazing turnaround from the first three months of the season, and not in a good way. Despite his struggles, the Twins are still much better than .500 in the games Radke has started (for example) with a frayed labrun and broken bone.

samram
09-02-2006, 08:04 AM
I think the fact Ozzie is even considering putting a rookie with no major league experience into the leadoff spot playing a position he really hasn't played a lot tells us exactly what he thinks of Podsednik.

caulfield12
09-02-2006, 08:07 AM
I think the fact Ozzie is even considering putting a rookie with no major league experience into the leadoff spot playing a position he really hasn't played a lot tells us exactly what he thinks of Podsednik.

Not only that, but Sweeney would automatically be a huge upgrade defensively, and the opposition couldn't run at will on him.

Having to mix and match his bench to put an "average" MLB defender out there has been a consistent pain for OG this season. Things are already bad enough with Mackowiak, but LF has provided nearly as many troubling plays.

And I don't think he's sold on Ozuna out there either (playing a week or two at a time as a starter).

http://www.suntimes.com/output/sox/cst-spt-sside02.html
Another Sweeney article today

wassagstdu
09-02-2006, 09:24 AM
I'm all for benching Podsednik against certain tough lefties, but at this point I think it remains in our best interest to play him. I think it's fair to say a hot Podsednik in the playoffs would do wonders for our chances in the playoffs. His upside is too great to just right him off at this point of the season. Granted he's not the same player he was before his injury, but if he can just hit a little better he's still a presence on the bases, and I think Iguchi feeds off Podsednik to a certain extent.

I sit in the bleachers and hear the stupid things that people yell at Podsednik and see how certain morons are taunting him when he goes out to left field. I'm sure his opinion of some Sox fans is pretty low at this point. Why would you boo a guy who helped us so much in winning the World Series? He's struggling mightily at this point, but do you really think he's not trying his best? His head is just screwed up right now as his confidence is at an all-time low. Hopefully he snaps out of it soon.

Fans have been way too quick to jump on players and be jerky to them this season. They don't have the first clue how to handle a little success. There's a lot of white trash people sitting in the outfield who embarrass themselves as soon as any little thing doesn't go right for us. It's too bad the players are treated as if they're on the road in their home park.
My sentiments exactly. And I would add that there is no difference between the "white trash" in the bleachers and some of the "jerky" posters on WSI.

How much of Anderson's slow start was made worse by the taunting from the stands? 10th man indeed.
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WSox597
09-02-2006, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by BainesHOF
It's too bad the players are treated as if they're on the road in their home park.

I'm pretty sure it's the newer, bandwagon, ex-Cub fans clogging up the seats doing stuff like that.

In all my years, as much as I'll vent in some threads here, I've never booed a Sox player. The closest I've come is booing that nitwit Manuel, and he wasn't a player. I didn't even boo Albert Belle.

Hell, if I didn't boo during the Eddie Stanky years, I sure won't boo the reigning world champions. Everybody gets upset when players don't execute, but calling them names like that helps nobody.

The Dude
09-02-2006, 09:25 AM
I love this idea! :bandance:
Keep BA in center and give Sweeney a shot at leadoff & LF for the majority of the month.

ondafarm
09-02-2006, 09:58 AM
I think the fact Ozzie is even considering putting a rookie with no major league experience into the leadoff spot playing a position he really hasn't played a lot tells us exactly what he thinks of Podsednik.

Agreed. But deservedly so. Pods has not been getting on and has not been stealing bases lately. If he's injured so be it, he can rest up for the playoffs. If not the the White Sox need to start developing their next lead-off man.

caulfield12
09-02-2006, 10:10 AM
Sweeney will provide much better defense, a very strong arm (especially for LF)...anything's better than the C-Lee/Pods decade in that respect.

I look for Sweeney to be more of a 2/7-9 hitter at this point, but he's done well at Charlotte in this role and is coming to the Sox in a confident mode.

Eventually, Ryan moves over to RF to take over for Dye in 2008 and Fields will play LF, unless Boras/Crede are threatened in ST 2007 and blink (like we did with Garland and Jose) precipitating a trade and Josh playing 3B instead of the outfield.

I'd love to think Jermaine is around here for 3 more years and continues this production, but his age, injury history and the salary he could make on the open market with three dominating offensive seasons, it will be interesting. If we can pay Magglio $14.5 million, we can certainly "reward" Jermaine for playing under market value for two years. Heck, I would have no problem with renegotiating his deal and signing Jermaine through 2008 at $10-11 million per season. Not that it will ever happen, of course, but JD has been the best dollar per HR/RBI value in baseball the last two seasons...certainly of the FA outfielders of the last five years.

jdm2662
09-02-2006, 10:14 AM
Um, is Ozzie open to NOT play Mack in CF anymore? I'd be all for that!

viagracat
09-02-2006, 11:04 AM
Give him a shot and see what happens. It can't be worse then what we got at that spot now. Maybe he will have a Delmon Young type start to his career!

Better change your sig...:cool:

caulfield12
09-02-2006, 11:13 AM
Pods has 12 SB's and 4 CS the last two months.

That's the biggest thing he has going for him.

So basically, he's on 2nd base (or 3rd) 8 additional times.

Sweeney's doubles and homers will more than make up for that. It would be one thing if Pods was going like he did in the first half last year, and with an 80-85% success rate. But that's simply not the case.

And Sweeney will also score on most base hits from 2nd base. He's not a burner, but he's a good, natural athlete like Anderson. Not to mention the marked defensive upgrade.

viagracat
09-02-2006, 11:15 AM
Call me stubborn, but I'd like to see Ozzie stick with Pods unless something I (or we) don't know about something else working here. Pods has had some good stretches from time to time, and as someone else said, his upside is far too important to ignore. He will upset the pitcher if he gets on base even if he doesn't steal a base. I know he's been maddeningly inconsistent and it does look like he's lost a step, but Pods was a reason we won the WS last year and hopefully again this year.

To paraphrase an old nursery rhyme: When he's good, he's very very good; when he's bad he's horrid. I'm betting and hoping Podsednik turns it on in crunch time.

Sweeney can get his chances in games that are lopsided, or maybe in some games that aren't, but I think you stick with Pods (and BA) right now.

BainesHOF
09-02-2006, 12:01 PM
I'm pretty sure it's the newer, bandwagon, ex-Cub fans clogging up the seats doing stuff like that.

In all my years, as much as I'll vent in some threads here, I've never booed a Sox player. The closest I've come is booing that nitwit Manuel, and he wasn't a player. I didn't even boo Albert Belle.

Hell, if I didn't boo during the Eddie Stanky years, I sure won't boo the reigning world champions. Everybody gets upset when players don't execute, but calling them names like that helps nobody.

Booing a guy such as Podsednik is bad enough, though I guess an argument could be made that it's acceptable considering his performance, the cost of tickets, etc. It wouldn't be my argument.

I'm really talking about stuff far worse than merely booing. I'm talking about yelling all kinds of garbage at players. First Anderson got it at the beginning of the year. Now the same people who roughed up Anderson are in his corner and have turned on Mackoviak. The jerks can't see that Mackoviak is really an infielder who continues to be put out there by Ozzie. My goodness, Mackoviak grew up as a White Sox fan and is one of the team's better hustlers yet the many clowns in the stands go after him like he's a visiting player.

It's been sad to see the group of jerks sitting near the bottom of section 160 often taunt Podsednik when he goes out to the field. These so-called fans wear all kinds of Sox jerseys as if they're great fans, but the stupid drunks stand up, raise there arms at him and yell a stream of garbage at him repeatedly during a game. It's a pathetic scene.

Lip Man 1
09-02-2006, 12:09 PM
Baines:

As long as the taunts and comments aren't racial or vulgar I have NO problems with them.

These are PROFESSIONAL athletes, not kids in high school. They are being paid millions and millions of dollars to perform, to win and to play at a consistently high level for the World Champion Chicago White Sox. (as opposed to the trash Triple A Royals).

If they can't take the heat they can always play for the 'contending' Royals, Devil Rays, Mariners or Cubbies. I'm sure Ozzie would be more then willing to accomodate some of them.

It's one thing to being playing hard, clearly giving your best effort and getting ripped. In that case I can certainly understand your comments. It's quiet another however, to look like you could care less, to go through the motions and give a half-assessed effort (like a certain shortstop) to garbage clubs.

In that case I'd be right there on the front line saying the exact same things.

Just my opinion.

Lip

Beer Can Chicken
09-02-2006, 12:16 PM
Baines:

As long as the taunts and comments aren't racial or vulgar I have NO problems with them.

These are PROFESSIONAL athletes, not kids in high school. They are being paid millions and millions of dollars to perform, to win and to play at a consistently high level for the World Champion Chicago White Sox. (as opposed to the trash Triple A Royals).

If they can't take the heat they can always play for the 'contending' Royals, Devil Rays, Mariners or Cubbies. I'm sure Ozzie would be more then willing to accomodate some of them.

It's one thing to being playing hard, clearly giving your best effort and getting ripped. In that case I can certainly understand your comments. It's quiet another however, to look like you could care less, to go through the motions and give a half-assessed effort (like a certain shortstop) to garbage clubs.

In that case I'd be right there on the front line saying the exact same things.

Just my opinion.

Lip

Scott Podsednik hit a walk-off HR in the World Series giving me and every other White Sox fans one of the most exhilirating experiences of our lives. He may be struggling now and he probably should be replaced in the line-up but he will NEVER be booed by me.

Lip Man 1
09-02-2006, 12:20 PM
Beer:

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I appreciate what Scott did in 2005. Unfortunately this is now September 2006.

When a major league player can't even lay down a serviceable bunt once in awhile, he deserves to hear about it, in my opinion.

Lip

caulfield12
09-02-2006, 12:28 PM
I was under the impression Pods was trying to bloop a double over the 1B down the line.

EndemicSox
09-02-2006, 01:14 PM
I'm happy Pods is on the bench, but I don't like the fact we will have two rookes roaming the outfield, even if there defense is top notch. Hopefully Sweeney can it, because the Sox are going to need him to do just that.

Soxfanspcu11
09-02-2006, 03:32 PM
Beer:

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I appreciate what Scott did in 2005. Unfortunately this is now September 2006.

When a major league player can't even lay down a serviceable bunt once in awhile, he deserves to hear about it, in my opinion.

Lip

Agreed.

Chips
09-02-2006, 03:36 PM
Scott Podsednik hit a walk-off HR in the World Series giving me and every other White Sox fans one of the most exhilirating experiences of our lives. He may be struggling now and he probably should be replaced in the line-up but he will NEVER be booed by me.

I don't boo him either, but he is struggling way too much. I'm liking the idea of replacing him with Sweeney more and more.

Beer Can Chicken
09-02-2006, 03:56 PM
Beer:

You're certainly entitled to your opinion. I appreciate what Scott did in 2005. Unfortunately this is now September 2006.

When a major league player can't even lay down a serviceable bunt once in awhile, he deserves to hear about it, in my opinion.

Lip

Unless the guy is a complete prick, I'm just not a boo'er. You don't think he know he's playing like crap? Do you honestly think he is satisfied playing like crap? I don't.

But you're right, they should hear it from the fans. "Scotty, get your head out of your ass." "You gotta get that bunt down next time Scotty!"

Booing your team for making mistakes is for amatuers.

getonbckthr
09-02-2006, 04:21 PM
I'm not in support of booing your own team, however with Pods he has gone the same route he did in Milwaukee, a good season followed by a terrible season. My question is was Sweeney added to the team before Sept. 1st? Otherwise he shouldn't be in LF everyday unless he can be there for the playoffs.

soxinem1
09-02-2006, 04:22 PM
I think you missed someone very important in that Twinkie rotation...

SMO
:gulp:

Bert Blyleven???

soxinem1
09-02-2006, 04:26 PM
I'm happy Pods is on the bench, but I don't like the fact we will have two rookes roaming the outfield, even if there defense is top notch. Hopefully Sweeney can it, because the Sox are going to need him to do just that.

You have to hand it to Guillen by trying to see what the young players are made of.

If it is true, this type of move has to be virtually unprecedented for a rookie position player. Pitchers, yes, it's been done. But to change the lead off man in September during a pennant run? Gotta hand it to Oz for trying.

Other than Gregg Jefferies with the Mets years ago, I cannot think of too many rookies used in impact situations like this that were brought up this late in the year.

monkeypants
09-02-2006, 04:31 PM
As for right now put me in the camp of benching Pods for the moment. When your leadoff hitter has a batting average of around .260 with a poor OBP, strikes out too much and when he gets on base doesn't steal much then it's time to reconsider his role. We were able to live with Anderson during the first half of this year because he plays outstanding defence. This is not even the case with Pods.

Lets give Sweeney a shot because as of now I can't imagine him doing much worse than Pods. I do seem to remember a team in the World Series last year that had a rookie leadoff outfielder. Willie Tavaras of the Astros was a solid contributer to that team until they ran into a certain South Side team.

Palehose13
09-02-2006, 04:31 PM
Booing a guy such as Podsednik is bad enough, though I guess an argument could be made that it's acceptable considering his performance, the cost of tickets, etc. It wouldn't be my argument.

I'm really talking about stuff far worse than merely booing. I'm talking about yelling all kinds of garbage at players. First Anderson got it at the beginning of the year. Now the same people who roughed up Anderson are in his corner and have turned on Mackoviak. The jerks can't see that Mackoviak is really an infielder who continues to be put out there by Ozzie. My goodness, Mackoviak grew up as a White Sox fan and is one of the team's better hustlers yet the many clowns in the stands go after him like he's a visiting player.

It's been sad to see the group of jerks sitting near the bottom of section 160 often taunt Podsednik when he goes out to the field. These so-called fans wear all kinds of Sox jerseys as if they're great fans, but the stupid drunks stand up, raise there arms at him and yell a stream of garbage at him repeatedly during a game. It's a pathetic scene.

I'm with you 100%.

Brian26
09-02-2006, 04:51 PM
I'd settle for Mack in LF at this point.

Mack in LF leading off. It's so simple and makes so much sense. It's right under Ozzie's nose, and he doesn't see it.

caulfield12
09-02-2006, 04:54 PM
I think they're falling into the trap that the leadoff man has to be a base stealer, although Mackowiak has good speed, he's not that. Neither is Sweeney, for that matter.

And Pods really hasn't been a basestealer since two months ago, not on a consistent basis, and certainly not with a high success rate.

It's the Youkilis/Beane/SABR approach.

I just like the idea of Sweeney because he's a plus defender and has more pop than Mackowiak, especially doubles. Mack's more of a singles hitter, I know he hit the upper tank bomb in Minnesota, but his power numbers are down from what they were in Pittsburgh, and he's playing in a more favorable stadium for homers.

SABRSox
09-02-2006, 10:19 PM
I just like the idea of Sweeney because he's a plus defender and has more pop than Mackowiak, especially doubles. Mack's more of a singles hitter, I know he hit the upper tank bomb in Minnesota, but his power numbers are down from what they were in Pittsburgh, and he's playing in a more favorable stadium for homers.

The pitching is much tougher in the AL, especially the AL central this year. And I get the feeling that Mackowiak got more regular at-bats in Pittsburgh.

beckett21
09-02-2006, 10:24 PM
Unless the guy is a complete prick, I'm just not a boo'er. You don't think he know he's playing like crap? Do you honestly think he is satisfied playing like crap? I don't.

But you're right, they should hear it from the fans. "Scotty, get your head out of your ass." "You gotta get that bunt down next time Scotty!"

Booing your team for making mistakes is for amatuers.

Bingo.

Fake Chet Lemon
09-02-2006, 11:37 PM
I'd settle for Mack in LF at this point.

That's dumb, then we can't play Mackowiak out of position in CF.

Fake Chet Lemon
09-02-2006, 11:40 PM
I'm not in support of booing your own team, however with Pods he has gone the same route he did in Milwaukee, a good season followed by a terrible season. My question is was Sweeney added to the team before Sept. 1st? Otherwise he shouldn't be in LF everyday unless he can be there for the playoffs.

Actually, a good half-season.