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caulfield12
08-30-2006, 12:00 AM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-060829soxbrite,1,3079374.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

I like it a lotta.

DickAllen72
08-30-2006, 12:03 AM
YES!!!:supernana: :supernana: :supernana: :gulp:

lukeman89
08-30-2006, 12:03 AM
in words of hawk...YYYYEEEESSSS!

batmanZoSo
08-30-2006, 12:09 AM
Nice. Dye, Thome, Konerko equals R, L, R. Very tough.

Chips
08-30-2006, 12:10 AM
Nice. Dye, Thome, Konerko equals R, L, R. Very tough.

:thumbsup: I like it.:bandance:

caulfield12
08-30-2006, 12:11 AM
I also prefer Crede batting 6th...he's hot, try to get him an extra AB here and there as the season winds down and every plate appearance becomes critical.

Dye and Crede are, far and away, our best clutch hitters.

thomas35forever
08-30-2006, 12:12 AM
Any MVP candidate should be batting third and JD has sure shown that he's an MVP-caliber player.

BA: The Hitman
08-30-2006, 12:21 AM
Dye sure was having a hell of a season in the 5 slot..........but any way you wanna flip flop dye, thome and konerko....I dont think there will be any problems

IlliniSox4Life
08-30-2006, 12:49 AM
I think this is ideal, and the ideal way to do it. Dye has been hitting well in the 3 spot with Thome out, so why not just leave him there.

BadBobbyJenks
08-30-2006, 01:13 AM
I didnt think ozzie would do it, but glad he is.

I do remember Paulie talking about getting out of rythmn when he was switched in the order last year, I hope thats not an issue

peelwonder
08-30-2006, 01:13 AM
Yes... MVP definitely deserved...especially with Big Sloppy going down...

gbergman
08-30-2006, 01:19 AM
With Dye being as hot as he is right now, I think its one of the better moves to make, even if thome gets healthy. I think Thome should bat fifth, as Dye is a lot more clutch and when we need the clutch hits it is usually the top or very bottom of order thats up.

Mohoney
08-30-2006, 01:33 AM
I like this lineup until JD either cools off or cements himself as AL MVP and keeps it this way.

Pods
Gooch
JD
Thome
Paulie
AJ
Crede
Cintron/Uribe platoon
BA

On days that Cintron plays SS, you have 4 lefty bats for Ozzie's matchup games. Plus, if Crede ever does get a day off (he responded to his last day off with 4 hits), you can sneak Mack in there and have 5 lefty bats.

Gregory Pratt
08-30-2006, 01:54 AM
Sorry fellas, this isn't a done deal, and appears to be nothing more than temporary so as to not push Thome's hamstring.

Thome should hit third.
And what's this nonsense about MVP-contenders having to hit third? Jeter doesn't. Ichiro didn't when he won it. I believe A-Rod was fourth. Give me a break.

Gregory Pratt
08-30-2006, 01:56 AM
And what's this nonsense about "Speedy Dye"? I love Jermaine, but he ain't speedy. I remember thinking, when he was thrown out on that play in Detroit where the Shortstop didn't look like he'd catch it and then didn't look like he'd get it to first on time, "JD must be the slowest black man alive."

I mean, JD is probably faster than Thome and certainly quicker than Konerko, but my mother can throw harder than Freddy Garcia, so... :D:

QCIASOXFAN
08-30-2006, 02:07 AM
This is excellent news.

app2686
08-30-2006, 03:01 AM
I think this a good move. True: Jermaine Dye isn't speedy. However he's certainly faster than Jim Thome which reduces the likely hood of Konerko's chances of grounding out into a double play, which as of late has almost become predictable, esp. when Thome is on 1st.

Beautox
08-30-2006, 03:03 AM
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-060829soxbrite,1,3079374.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

I like it a lotta.


this time last year JD was in the 3 hole and good things happened, put Thome 5th, and Crede 6th, AJP 7th, and were Golden :bandance:.

CaptainBallz
08-30-2006, 03:08 AM
I can't wait to chant "MVP" tomorrow...:bandance:

gf2020
08-30-2006, 03:26 AM
The word is about, there's something evolving,
whatever may come, the world keeps revolving
They say the next big thing is here,
that the revolution's near,
but to me it seems quite clear
that it's all just a little bit of history repeating

Dye in the third spot? I like it. I like it a lot.

harwar
08-30-2006, 08:00 AM
Dye is the perfect no. 3 hitter and Thome belongs in the cleanup spot at this point in his carrier.
I sure would like to see Crede move up also but there is just not enough room at the top for all the good hitters we have.

MrRoboto83
08-30-2006, 08:04 AM
I am very happy about this news. I hope big Jim can come back and do some serious damage in the 4 spot.

White City
08-30-2006, 08:44 AM
Dye is the perfect no. 3 hitter and Thome belongs in the cleanup spot at this point in his carrier.
I sure would like to see Crede move up also but there is just not enough room at the top for all the good hitters we have.

Is it insane to think that Joe, if his bat is going to be this good for a few years, could be the lead-off hitter next year?

BeviBall!
08-30-2006, 08:52 AM
I usually say why fix what ain't broke but in this case, I think it makes sense. Especially if Pods continues to get on base so Dye doesn't have to bat with the bases empty, like Thome has the past 3 months.

NonetheLoaiza
08-30-2006, 09:08 AM
It sounds like it is nothing more than temporary, so I don't think there is a reason to get too excited. Thome belongs in the third spot. Dye has gotten such great numbers this year partly because of the hitters in front of him. Granted, he really stepped it up when Thome went down, but I like Dye hitting 5th, and think that is how it should stay. If Ozzie wants to move Dye up to 3 for right now, more power to him...

TomBradley72
08-30-2006, 09:27 AM
I like this lineup until JD either cools off or cements himself as AL MVP and keeps it this way.

Pods
Gooch
JD
Thome
Paulie
AJ
Crede
Cintron/Uribe platoon
BA

On days that Cintron plays SS, you have 4 lefty bats for Ozzie's matchup games. Plus, if Crede ever does get a day off (he responded to his last day off with 4 hits), you can sneak Mack in there and have 5 lefty bats.

As long as we don't sneak Mac into CF. :cool:

I'd also swap Thome/Paulie depending on LH/RH...Thome is .247-6-18 for the year against lefties...poor protection for JD and very low production for a clean up hitter (or a #3 for that matter). PK is .338-12-34.

I like the idea of "tweaking" the line up for the home stretch...those small moves can't be a catalyst for a great run.

soxfan13
08-30-2006, 09:43 AM
Nice to hear Ozzie is not going to mess with the lineup, with the way Dye is hitting. I will be the first to admit earlier when talking MVP that Thome was it. I argued that Dye's production was a product of having Thome and Konerko in front of him. After seeing what he has done without Thome in the lineup I am a converted Thome to Dye MVP supporter!!!!

viagracat
08-30-2006, 10:00 AM
It's true Thome has a higher OBP (.413 vs .390) than Dye, but JD is also faster and less likely to strike out than Thome, so IMO, he should be the #3. He might get that extra at-bat in a game that could help by moving up in the order. He's our hottest player right now who I think needs to stay in this slot.

Ol' No. 2
08-30-2006, 10:09 AM
It's true Thome has a higher OBP (.413 vs .390) than Dye, but JD is also faster and less likely to strike out than Thome, so IMO, he should be the #3. He might get that extra at-bat in a game that could help by moving up in the order. He's our hottest player right now who I think needs to stay in this slot.Moving up two spots in the order gets about one extra AB per week. Big deal. Moving Dye to 3rd may get him better pitches to hit, but it also gets him a lot FEWER RBI opportunities. Why do people think he leads the team in RBI?

infohawk
08-30-2006, 10:19 AM
Is it insane to think that Joe, if his bat is going to be this good for a few years, could be the lead-off hitter next year?
It would be a waste of his power.

infohawk
08-30-2006, 10:20 AM
I wish Jermaine could pitch, too.:whiner:

the gooch
08-30-2006, 10:25 AM
I'd also swap Thome/Paulie depending on LH/RH...Thome is .247-6-18 for the year against lefties...poor protection for JD and very low production for a clean up hitter (or a #3 for that matter). PK is .338-12-34.
All the more reason to leave Thome 4th, Paulie 5th, and AJ 6th. If other teams want to leave a lefty to face 3 guys (L-R-L), Paulie should rake.

And what's this nonsense about "Speedy Dye"? I love Jermaine, but he ain't speedy. I remember thinking, when he was thrown out on that play in Detroit where the Shortstop didn't look like he'd catch it and then didn't look like he'd get it to first on time, "JD must be the slowest black man alive."
Jermaine seems to have not fully recovered from his calf issues earlier in the year. He has lost a step, but he is certainly a faster black man than Frank Thomas. Dye had 11 steals last year after dealing with the run-and-we'll-bench-you A's the previous year.

gobears1987
08-30-2006, 10:50 AM
Very smart move by Ozzie here.

:fireozzie

Frater Perdurabo
08-30-2006, 11:07 AM
I've advocated the idea of getting Dye in the third spot for several months.

Of all Sox hitters, he's hitting the best. Isn't the 3-spot where the best hitter should hit?

He's proven - both in the postseason last year and in the past few games when Thome has been hurt - that he can be comfortable in the #3 role.

He is capable of delivering whatever kind of hit the Sox might need in any situation - ground ball to the right side, sac fly, extra base hit, single, homer, etc.

Hitting third would guarantee him an AB in the first inning.

With Thome and Konerko protecting him, he'd see even better pitches.

Thome and Konerko would have more RBI opportunities with Dye aboard.

Dye may not be fast, but he's faster than Thome and Konerko, and therefore Thome and Konerko are less likely to GIDP.

gobears1987
08-30-2006, 11:09 AM
With Thome and Konerko protecting him, he'd see even better pitches.

That alone is enough to justify this move.

Evman5
08-30-2006, 11:23 AM
I wish Jermaine could pitch, too.:whiner:

I forgot where I was reading it the other day...but somebody, maybe Coop, was talking about how JD could have easily been a pitcher. They said he throws low to mid 90's.

the gooch
08-30-2006, 11:33 AM
Moving up two spots in the order gets about one extra AB per week. Big deal. Moving Dye to 3rd may get him better pitches to hit, but it also gets him a lot FEWER RBI opportunities. Why do people think he leads the team in RBI?
Because Podsednik hasn't been doing his job for Thome and Paulie.

zmz723
08-30-2006, 11:33 AM
Is it insane to think that Joe, if his bat is going to be this good for a few years, could be the lead-off hitter next year?

Yes, it would be a waste of power, and he is very slow. When was the last time you saw him steal a base?

Ol' No. 2
08-30-2006, 12:12 PM
Because Podsednik hasn't been doing his job for Thome and Paulie.Which is exactly my point. If Pods starts getting on base more (and he's been doing it for the last week or so), batting Dye 3rd makes more sense. But I want him coming to bat with men on base as much as possible, and if that means hitting 5th, that's where I want him.

I want Mags back
08-30-2006, 01:27 PM
:D: :D: **** yeah:D: :D:

get our MVP more Ab's

shes
08-30-2006, 04:00 PM
Thome still gets on base more often than Dye. He should hit third, and Dye fourth. The fourth place hitter bats more often than not in the first inning; I'd rather see Dye up there with, say, a guy on second and 2 out than Paulie or Jim.

Also, both Jim and JD will get better pitches to hit this way. How many guys are going to pitch around Thome with the hottest hitter in the AL batting behind him?

Frater Perdurabo
08-30-2006, 05:31 PM
Thome still gets on base more often than Dye. He should hit third, and Dye fourth. The fourth place hitter bats more often than not in the first inning; I'd rather see Dye up there with, say, a guy on second and 2 out than Paulie or Jim.

Also, both Jim and JD will get better pitches to hit this way. How many guys are going to pitch around Thome with the hottest hitter in the AL batting behind him?

I agree that OBP is important, but the logical extension of your argument would be have Thome lead off, since he's on base more than anyone else on the team.

The bottom line is that Dye is the better/best hitter right now and should be hitting third.

CPditka
08-30-2006, 05:57 PM
What I think is funny, is in this discussion we are talking about Paulie like hes chopped liver.

EndemicSox
08-30-2006, 06:23 PM
What I think is funny, is in this discussion we are talking about Paulie like hes chopped liver.

Nah, not chopped liver, but he is the ice cream cone after the steak(Dye) and potatoes(Thome).

CPditka
08-30-2006, 07:12 PM
Nah, not chopped liver, but he is the ice cream cone after the steak(Dye) and potatoes(Thome).

Thats a mighty tasty 3-4-5!

hawkjt
08-30-2006, 07:21 PM
I just heard an interview from PK- evidently they had a meeting and ozzie set the order. PK sounded very positive about it- said it could help Pods more than anyone due to presence of a righthander like JD in that slot instead of a lefty like Jim which will complicate the relief decisions for the opposition. Thinks pods might see less leftys coming in to go after him,gooch and JD.

Also mentioned the obvious that JD is faster than himself and Jim.

I know some on here still think PK is a selfish camera -moth loudmouth, and I do not get it. I just do not think ozzie would insist that he be named captain if he was a selfish jerk. Ozzie knows his clubhouse better than any one out here.

I think some guys may not want their routine messed with in terms of batting order but these big 3 do not give a crap- its obvious. JD said the same thing last nite. he reiterated that the mvp talk ect means squat- it is all about wins.

We have a very professional team and team is a key phrase. Go Sox.

slobes
08-30-2006, 07:28 PM
THANK YOU OZZIE. I love this move here. Ozzie said that JD is the only one among him, Thome, and Paulie that could score from first on a double, especially with Thome kind of hurt. Glad to see this roster move.

nedlug
08-30-2006, 07:30 PM
:supernana:

alsoxfan
08-30-2006, 07:46 PM
It puts another bat in front of Thome and Konerko and leads to a bit more flexibility in the speed department with little drawback. His OBP is second to only Thome and he strikes out less (granted with fewer BB). It makes sense for the fastest one to bat third.

Frater Perdurabo
08-31-2006, 09:16 AM
I know some on here still think PK is a selfish camera -moth loudmouth, and I do not get it. I just do not think ozzie would insist that he be named captain if he was a selfish jerk. Ozzie knows his clubhouse better than any one out here.

I don't think anyone on here has said that about Paulie ever since the second half of last season.

Paulie is going to get a ton of RBI opportunities hitting behind JD and Thome! :supernana:

Since over the past 15 months he has demonstrated himself to be the "professional hitter" (power and average) we all had hoped he would become, I expect he's going knock in a bunch of runs with extra base hits, singles to right field, and homers.

Frater Perdurabo
08-31-2006, 09:17 AM
It makes sense for the fastest one to bat third.

Agreed.

Does anyone still think Dye can't steal bases? :supernana:

the gooch
08-31-2006, 10:41 AM
Thats a mighty tasty 3-4-5!
Wash it down with a tall cool glass of AJ.

maurice
08-31-2006, 01:48 PM
Dye steals second and scores the game winner on a Thome single? You convinced me. Leave him in the #3 spot.
:gulp:

- - -

When Ozzie named Konerko captain, he acknowledged that Konerko used to have a reputation for being a bad clubhouse guy but overcame it when Ozzie took over the team. He also said that he tried to help Konerko, Rowand, Crede, etc. become less introverted in the dugout and clubhouse. Konerko certainly is swinging for the fences less this year and even going the other way once in a blue moon. Sometimes players mature.