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caulfield12
08-29-2006, 04:08 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2565280

With Radke and Liriano questionable, and Garza, Silva, Bonser and Baker/JD Durbin in the minors, it would seem a natural pairing for GM's Ryan and Epstein, and it would be a way for the Red Sox to put together a team capable of knocking the Yankees out of the playoffs.

So the question is does KW even bother to try to block it (he wouldn't be able to start on our team...or would he?) with McCarthy waiting as well...

Should be interesting, I don't want him leading the Twins to any victories, especially after he threw in the towel here and caused so many problems with Thomas.

MarySwiss
08-29-2006, 04:10 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2565280

With Radke and Liriano questionable, and Garza, Silva, Bonser and Baker/JD Durbin in the minors, it would seem a natural pairing for GM's Ryan and Epstein, and it would be a way for the Red Sox to put together a team capable of knocking the Yankees out of the playoffs.

So the question is does KW even bother to try to block it (he wouldn't be able to start on our team...or would he?) with McCarthy waiting as well...

Should be interesting, I don't want him leading the Twins to any victories, especially after he threw in the towel here and caused so many problems with Thomas.

Wow, that's a good question! Much as I would hate to see Wells back here, even less do I relish watching him maybe helping the Twins at our expense.

SABRSox
08-29-2006, 04:10 PM
He cleared waivers. How can the White Sox block a trade?

MDF3530
08-29-2006, 04:12 PM
I say let Shrek go to the Twin Cities. Maybe he'll tear that team apart.

viagracat
08-29-2006, 04:16 PM
Why worry about a guy who's 43 years old with an ERA of 5?

And yes, if he's cleared waivers, how can the Sox block the trade?

Tekijawa
08-29-2006, 04:16 PM
He cleared waivers. How can the White Sox block a trade?

Leave a trail of cheeseburgers from Boston to somewhere out in Mississippi... they'll never find him there.

Let him go to the Twins, he's not good anymore. If he was good they wouldn't trade him, the Red Sox Need pitching more than the Twins do.

caulfield12
08-29-2006, 04:21 PM
I guess the question I should have asked is will KW try to trade for Wells simply to keep him out of the Twins' rotation?

Or would he dare to bring him on board and "bench" Vazquez, since Javy is statistically our second best pitcher recently?

I guess I didn't read enough to realize he'd already been unclaimed and passed through all of MLB.

But the Twins would be dumb not to add his experience to what they have now. He pitched the BEST game of the five starters against the Yankees' line-up in that massacre weekend. That's worth something.

caulfield12
08-29-2006, 04:23 PM
Leave a trail of cheeseburgers from Boston to somewhere out in Mississippi... they'll never find him there.

Let him go to the Twins, he's not good anymore. If he was good they wouldn't trade him, the Red Sox Need pitching more than the Twins do.

The Red Sox will finish behind Toronto. Ortiz might be out indefinitely. Lester is down with a back problem. Varitek and Nixon are still out, along with Ramirez, who's holding the entire organization hostage. Francona is spitting up blood from chewing so hard on the inside of his cheek that the bleeding had to be staunched with stitches.

The bullpen is a total mess, and even Papelbon has been vulnerable.

Did you see who they started yesterday? Oh, and Gonzalez is also out. I think Loretta was their DH or 1B and Youkilis has also been playing out of position.

StillMissOzzie
08-29-2006, 04:25 PM
He cleared waivers. How can the White Sox block a trade?

IIRC, the pecking order for claiming someone from waivers is in reverse order of the standings. This means the Sox could claim him before the Twinks get a chance to talk with the Red Sox. The downside, then, is that the Sox might end up with the fat tub of goo.

SMO
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Baby Fisk
08-29-2006, 04:26 PM
I guess the question I should have asked is will KW try to trade for Wells simply to keep him out of the Twins' rotation?

He won't.

caulfield12
08-29-2006, 04:28 PM
IIRC, the pecking order for claiming someone from waivers is in reverse order of the standings. This means the Sox could claim him before the Twinks get a chance to talk with the Red Sox. The downside, then, is that the Sox might end up with the fat tub of goo.

SMO
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But if the White Sox are 1/2 game ahead tomorrow, the Twins would have first shot? It only goes through once, right? They don't keep repeating the process, or waiting for a suitable trade partner to emerge so that another team can't block it?

Flight #24
08-29-2006, 04:38 PM
Wells IIRC has already cleared waivers, so there's no more chance for any team to block, he can be traded free & clear. The only caveat is that the team trading for him has to give up someone who's also cleared (or isn't on the 40-man roster).

In other words, the only way the Sox can block is to make a better trade offer to the BoSox. Or maybe to get involved in a deal as a 3-way offering up a sweetener to Boston in exchange for them trading fatboy elsewhere. I wouldn't put that one past KW.

areilly
08-29-2006, 04:39 PM
I really don't think the Twins would be better off with D. Wells. He may have had a good outing against the Yankees, but it would make sense that they're looking for someone who, along with Santana, can carry them down the stretch as opposed to someone who will have one good September outing and four crappy ones.

Given that organization's history and financial practices, it wouldn't appear likely anyway.

SpartanSoxFan
08-29-2006, 05:27 PM
I don't think KW would block such a move for Wells, since that would potentially leave the Sox with his fat ass. Besides, although he has some playoff experience, I don't think he would be all that effective.

DaleJRFan
08-29-2006, 05:30 PM
Why is there even a debate here?? David Wells sucks.

BigPapaPump
08-29-2006, 05:46 PM
Why is there even a debate here?? David Wells sucks.

Take away Tony G's error last year in the ALDS and Wells would have had one hell of a game and a tied series.

If Wells were to become a Twin and Liriano worked back into the rotation and both were effective, that would be one impressive starting rotation and would dominate in a playoff scenario.

But, I hate David Wells and don't want to see him back in Chicago.

dickallen15
08-29-2006, 05:50 PM
Wells can't be blocked going anywhere, he has already cleared waivers. His era this month is pretty good though. I'm pretty sure its under 3.00. He always seems to pull a big game out of his behind when you least expect it, so I hope if Boston trades him its to the NL.

BigPapaPump
08-29-2006, 05:57 PM
Wells can't be blocked going anywhere, he has already cleared waivers. His era this month is pretty good though. I'm pretty sure its under 3.00. He always seems to pull a big game out of his behind when you least expect it, so I hope if Boston trades him its to the NL.


I think the Mets are so desperate for pitching right now that they would be able to make a better offer than the Twins.

ilsox7
08-29-2006, 05:57 PM
The front offices of the Twins and Red Sox are not on good terms according to most sources. I doubt a deal gets done between the two.

caulfield12
08-29-2006, 07:11 PM
The front offices of the Twins and Red Sox are not on good terms according to most sources. I doubt a deal gets done between the two.

Because the Twins' success in developing prospects and identifying the likes of Santana and Liriano runs contrary to Moneyball and statistical theories?

Explain.

A. Cavatica
08-29-2006, 09:38 PM
If the Twins' rotation consisted of 5 copies of David Wells, would they beat us out of a playoff spot?

Of course not. He's all done. The Twins are welcome to him.

RoobarbPie
08-29-2006, 10:11 PM
Because the Twins' success in developing prospects and identifying the likes of Santana and Liriano runs contrary to Moneyball and statistical theories?

Explain.

The two are not on good terms IIRC because of the Mientkiewicz trade a few years back. The Twins were told they would get a prospect back from the Sawx and didn't for some reason, and this still doesn't sit well with Twin management.

soxinem1
08-30-2006, 12:04 AM
I guess the question I should have asked is will KW try to trade for Wells simply to keep him out of the Twins' rotation?

Or would he dare to bring him on board and "bench" Vazquez, since Javy is statistically our second best pitcher recently?

I guess I didn't read enough to realize he'd already been unclaimed and passed through all of MLB.

But the Twins would be dumb not to add his experience to what they have now. He pitched the BEST game of the five starters against the Yankees' line-up in that massacre weekend. That's worth something.

Hey, we can use a lefty reliever until Cotts 'comes back'.

caulfield12
08-30-2006, 12:09 AM
I would prefer Wells over any of the AAA options.

I don't want to see Boone Logan again until ST.

Brian26
08-30-2006, 12:29 AM
He cleared waivers. How can the White Sox block a trade?

Shows how many people don't read before they comment. The article that was linked clearly states he cleared waivers on Aug. 3.

ilsox7
08-30-2006, 12:34 AM
The two are not on good terms IIRC because of the Mientkiewicz trade a few years back. The Twins were told they would get a prospect back from the Sawx and didn't for some reason, and this still doesn't sit well with Twin management.

Exactly.

FedEx227
08-30-2006, 12:44 AM
Shows how many people don't read before they comment. The article that was linked clearly states he cleared waivers on Aug. 3.

Yeah idiots...can we still trade Garland for Rowand?

Beautox
08-30-2006, 02:39 AM
I would prefer Wells over any of the AAA options.

I don't want to see Boone Logan again until ST.

what!? don't tare down the legend so quickly, he wasn't ready for the show the first time he came up; remember he went from Low A all the way to the Bigs. He showed falshes of brilliance against the tribe 2.1 IP 5K 1BB, no hits no runs and so far this year down at AAA as their closer he has been great, as of now i would prefer to have Logan over Cotts, and possibly Logan for the future if Cotts can't turn it around this year, LOOGYs are increbily valued and im sure a deal of Garcia + Cotts could net us a nice player.

harwar
08-30-2006, 08:21 AM
Leave a trail of cheeseburgers from Boston to somewhere out in Mississippi... they'll never find him there.

Let him go to the Twins, he's not good anymore. If he was good they wouldn't trade him, the Red Sox Need pitching more than the Twins do.
Thats just too funny.
The red sox look to be finished with their playoff run and need to dump him or they risk getting nothing for him when he leaves after the season is over.
Also,as for wells being on the White Sox,it would be interesting to see what happens to him,during a pitching change,the first time that he tells Ozzie to "get the **** outta here",like he used to do to jerry manual.

Gregory Pratt
08-30-2006, 11:10 AM
Thats just too funny.
The red sox look to be finished with their playoff run and need to dump him or they risk getting nothing for him when he leaves after the season is over.
Also,as for wells being on the White Sox,it would be interesting to see what happens to him,during a pitching change,the first time that he tells Ozzie to "get the **** outta here",like he used to do to jerry manual.

Ha, I'd love to see that!

Tragg
08-30-2006, 11:21 AM
I guess the question I should have asked is will KW try to trade for Wells simply to keep him out of the Twins' rotation?
I would certainly hope not.

Fenway
08-30-2006, 11:23 AM
He cleared waivers. How can the White Sox block a trade?

He can't block it. Looks like Wells is going to San Diego or LA

Flight #24
08-30-2006, 11:29 AM
He can't block it. Looks like Wells is going to San Diego or LA

(phew). Count me in the group that thinks Wells, while still a fat **** jerkoff will be effective for some team down the stretch. I'd take him in a heartbeat over Javy, possibly even Freddy the way those guys are pitching right now. And I hope like hell that the Twins don't get him. That would be a huge add for them, then if they get Liriano back I think that would create problem for the Sox. Not that they'd dominate, but it would enable them to stay close enough that things would turn on the last series in Minny, the Sox house of horrors.

drewcifer
08-30-2006, 11:32 AM
I guess the question I should have asked is will KW try to trade for Wells simply to keep him out of the Twins' rotation?
Naw - He's not a threat.

Or would he dare to bring him on board and "bench" Vazquez, since Javy is statistically our second best pitcher recently?
Definitely not.

But the Twins would be dumb not to add his experience to what they have now. He pitched the BEST game of the five starters against the Yankees' line-up in that massacre weekend. That's worth something.
Wells has never had much luck pitching the AL Central (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wellsda01.shtml). He does have some nice post season experience, though he hasn't been a winner at it since 1998.

Personally I wouldn't feel too threatened by the Twinkies making this move if they really want to.

WizardsofOzzie
08-31-2006, 11:56 AM
Looks like San Diego is the frontrunner

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2566883

hawkjt
08-31-2006, 12:31 PM
I hope he gets traded today to the NL. Otherwise we will face him on tuesday in boston and he is probably the best starter they have going right now. We will be facing Schilling, Wells, and ? next week- those are games that we need to use to completely bury the Carmines and boost our own prospects.

MDF3530
08-31-2006, 03:17 PM
I would prefer Wells over any of the AAA options.

I don't want to see Boone Logan again until ST.I'd rather have Logan than Riske.

(anticipating the stupid retort about Riske's ERA)

The ERA, as it is constructed right now, is not a reliable stat for relievers, particular middle relief like Riske or Cotts. These guys come in in the 6th or 7th inning after the starter has thrown a lot of pitches, given up a run or two and loaded the bases. Riske comes in, throws one pitch and gives up a grand slam. He only gets charged with one earned run. IMHO, there should be a different average for relievers that includes inheirited runners.

Domeshot17
08-31-2006, 03:25 PM
The ERA, as it is constructed right now, is not a reliable stat for relievers, particular middle relief like Riske or Cotts. These guys come in in the 6th or 7th inning after the starter has thrown a lot of pitches, given up a run or two and loaded the bases. Riske comes in, throws one pitch and gives up a grand slam. He only gets charged with one earned run. IMHO, there should be a different average for relievers that includes inheirited runners.

First off there is a stat like that, we debated it Damaso last year. You just need to dig a little deeper then the baseball card back stats that are on the white sox page

second, the era is alright constructed the way it is. Riske's era for that situation would be 99.99. If he got 1 out 27.00 2 18.00 and If he then got 3 outs, his era would be 9.00. Keep in mind even though he only gave up 1 run, he did it in 1 inning, which also changes ERA

And in terms of David Wells, let him goto the Twins for all I care, We have hitters that can hit a 85 mph fastball all the way to detroit.

Ol' No. 2
08-31-2006, 04:40 PM
Wells has been scratched from his start today. He's packing his bags right now.

HotelWhiteSox
08-31-2006, 05:31 PM
Wells has been scratched from his start today. He's packing his bags right now.

Yep. ESPNEWS: "Red Sox tell David Wells he will be traded tonight"

Flight #24
08-31-2006, 06:53 PM
Reports in Boston now that a deal has been done, but no word who. There's a rumor of it being LAD for Andy LaRoche and another prospect.

Which seems like Boston got away with highway robbery. Still as long as it ain't Minny, I don't really care. I was concerned that with the news of Radke getting shelved that they might go get fatboy.

Chips
08-31-2006, 07:00 PM
Traded to the Padres per ESPN.