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MikeKreevich
08-28-2006, 07:42 AM
Ozzie Guillen recently told Brian Anderson that he would like him to play winter ball and either learn to steal more bases or hit more home runs. With Anderson being one of the fastest players on the team and also being 6' 2" and 215 lbs. do you think he should go for stealing or sluging?

kevingrt
08-28-2006, 07:55 AM
Ozzie Guillen recently told Brian Anderson that he would like him to play winter ball and either learn to steal more bases or hit more home runs. With Anderson being one of the fastest players on the team and also being 6' 2" and 215 lbs. do you think he should go for stealing or sluging?

I'm going to have to go with base stealing on this one. Therefore if he gets any good at it he could maybe become the Sox leadoff hitter next year which would be awesome. But only time will tell.

hi im skot
08-28-2006, 08:06 AM
Why not both?
:cool:

Madvora
08-28-2006, 08:18 AM
I agree about both, there's no reason why you can't do both.

Right now I think it's more important to have a base stealer. We have plenty of power on this team, we need more action on the basepaths. I'm actually surprised that Guillen isn't insisting on having a base stealer with the way he absolutely loves the Twins and because he came from coaching the Marlins.

More importantly though, we need bunters.

MrRoboto83
08-28-2006, 08:22 AM
I'm going with another option: Churro Eater

Lillian
08-28-2006, 08:32 AM
Trying to become a slugger has the downside of altering a player's swing, and adversely effecting his average. There isn't any downside to learning how to steal bases. I think Brian will get his share of homers, without swinging for the fences. They always say that you rarely hit a homer, when you're trying to.
This team has plenty of power hitters. I'd love to see Brian become the five tool player, that he has the potential to be. I hope that he continues to stay short and quick, and use the whole field. Think what a valuable player he could be if he could hit close to .300, with 30 to 40 doubles, 20 to 25 homers, 75 to 90 RBIs, and 30 + stolen bases. With the way he plays defense, he could be an all star center fielder.
He could lead off, or hit anywhere, with those kind of numbers. I think that he has a lot better chance of becoming that kind of a player, than he does of becoming a slugger, and his value to the team would be greater, as well.

viagracat
08-28-2006, 09:28 AM
Anderson has shown some power lately. Might as well use it. He doesn't seem to be a dink-and-doink kind of guy.

But I'm glad to see he's going to play winter ball. I hope he comes to spring training locked and loaded, because he's clearly the CF of the future.

daveeym
08-28-2006, 09:29 AM
Trying to become a slugger has the downside of altering a player's swing, and adversely effecting his average. There isn't any downside to learning how to steal bases. I think Brian will get his share of homers, without swinging for the fences. They always say that you rarely hit a homer, when you're trying to.
This team has plenty of power hitters. I'd love to see Brian become the five tool player, that he has the potential to be. I hope that he continues to stay short and quick, and use the whole field. Think what a valuable player he could be if he could hit close to .300, with 30 to 40 doubles, 20 to 25 homers, 75 to 90 RBIs, and 30 + stolen bases. With the way he plays defense, he could be an all star center fielder.
He could lead off, or hit anywhere, with those kind of numbers. I think that he has a lot better chance of becoming that kind of a player, than he does of becoming a slugger, and his value to the team would be greater, as well. Bingo, work on the stealing and just making good contact. If he wants to morph into a power hitter 5-7 years down the line that's fine.

kobo
08-28-2006, 09:35 AM
The last thing this team needs is another power hitter. Learn how to steal bases, put down a bunt and advance runners by hitting the ball to the opposite field. That's what he should work on. I can't believe Ozzie told him he should learn how to hit more homeruns.

FedEx227
08-28-2006, 09:46 AM
I'd rather have a .350 hitter with some stolen bases and some great defense. That's all. Anybody who expects him anytime soon to be a 40-110 guy is out of their mind. When Paulie/Thome/Dye are gone, then by all means he can start working on the power, but I like what we have now, why alter a swing that he seems to have finally gotten down?

Frater Perdurabo
08-28-2006, 09:50 AM
I'd like to see him work on his base running/stealing. An increased ability to steal bases would be extremely valuable at the bottom of the lineup. Next year, I do not anticipate Anderson will bat ninth.

I don't want him to start deliberately swinging for the fences in an effort to hit more homers. As he makes more and better contact with his already proven ability to hit the ball hard, he naturally will hit more homers and doubles.

batmanZoSo
08-28-2006, 09:55 AM
I voted home run hitter because that's what he's going to be, period. He's already a tad hefty for a center fielder and players only get bigger as their MLB careers go on. And he'll make a lot more money hitting homers as a CF and he knows it. I'd prefer he hit for a high average and stole bases, but I'm not him.

IlliniSox4Life
08-28-2006, 10:07 AM
Why not both? Is it too much to ask to get a guy who can do everything?

I mean, next year, 15-20 home runs with 20-30 stolen bases would be great. I could see Anderson hitting #2 or even #1 if he really gets down the base stealing and Pods is traded away. If he can learn how to bunt, I think #2 would be a good spot for him.

EMachine10
08-28-2006, 10:18 AM
I'm not really sure that Brian needs to learn how to hit home runs. He has always been projected as a middle of the lineup type of guy, and has showed some pop in the minors. Like it was said above, and we can already see this, as he becomes more comfortable with his swing and he starts making the type of contact he did in the minors, his power numbers with naturally increase. So, I guess if he can generate some base stealing instincts, his game will be right where it needs to be.

DaleJRFan
08-28-2006, 10:20 AM
I'd much rather see BA swing for the power alleys rather than the fences. Trying to hit homeruns can ruin any progress he has made this year.

Didn't Ozzie try this with Uribe in 04 only to watch Juan get thrown out on a consistant basis?? (EDIT: asking him to run more)

Question for the scouting types: Brian has good speed, but is it basestealing speed or just plus outfield range speed??

Grzegorz
08-28-2006, 10:23 AM
As BA gets older he'll hit more home runs. There is also nothing wrong with having BA work on base stealing techniques.

I shudder when someone from the organization says we'll work on him to be a home run hitter. I immediately think of Scot Thompson; a big guy, a double hitter that the Cubbies thought they could force the issue of making him a power hitter.

Bad idea...

BA will get there; patience is a virtue...

batmanZoSo
08-28-2006, 10:36 AM
I'd much rather see BA swing for the power alleys rather than the fences. Trying to hit homeruns can ruin any progress he has made this year.

Didn't Ozzie try this with Uribe in 04 only to watch Juan get thrown out on a consistant basis?? (EDIT: asking him to run more)

Question for the scouting types: Brian has good speed, but is it basestealing speed or just plus outfield range speed??

Both have a lot more to do with baseball acumen than athletic ability. He gets outstanding jumps in the field, and doesn't have outstanding speed, yet he's a great fielder. Maybe he can use those those same smarts on the basepaths.

ondafarm
08-28-2006, 11:53 AM
If Brian can become a 30+ SB guy a year then IMHO, he'd work as a lead-off hitter. I think he should work on his bunting as well. Those are the skills of the lead-off guy and if the Sox have one hole that I see, it's lead-off.

As to his speed, one doesn't really need blazing speed to steal bases. It is more about intelligence and technique. BA has more than adequate speed to
steal 30+ bags a year. Heck, Maggs stole 15-20 a year before his knee surgery. If a good base stealer (Rock) works with Brian over the winter, then I believe he'll come back as the lead-off hitter for the next several years if not decade.

Lip Man 1
08-28-2006, 12:15 PM
To Ozzie's credit he said the team was bad in stealing bases and that he'd like more guys to do it in other words "Ozzie-Ball."

What I don't get is that he HAS more then one guy right now who can run on the club and he refuses to do it buying into that eight run home run philosophy.

You want to run Ozzie?, then turn guys loose.

Lip

MadetoOrta
08-28-2006, 12:57 PM
Why not let Brian develop into the best player he can be? Now that he's figured out major league pitching, we want him to become a slap hitter. This sounds like Walt Hriniak trying to make Sosa a contact hitter. If you want him to steal bases, come to spring training early and work on the art. What the hell are we paying Tim Raines for? Isn't he supposed to be coaching?

Fake Chet Lemon
08-28-2006, 01:04 PM
20 of each would be cool.

maurice
08-28-2006, 02:30 PM
20 of each would be cool.

No doubt. 20 HR + 20 SB + decent AVE + Gold Glove defense in CF = extremely valuable player.

ondafarm
08-28-2006, 02:42 PM
Why not let Brian develop into the best player he can be? Now that he's figured out major league pitching, we want him to become a slap hitter. This sounds like Walt Hriniak trying to make Sosa a contact hitter. If you want him to steal bases, come to spring training early and work on the art. What the hell are we paying Tim Raines for? Isn't he supposed to be coaching?

Lead-off guys don't have to be slap hitters. The best lead-off guys I played with or saw were great bat handlers. Aim for the outside corner and they'd slap the ball. Inside corner they'd pull. They were all great bunt guys and could steal bases.

ondafarm
08-28-2006, 02:43 PM
To Ozzie's credit he said the team was bad in stealing bases and that he'd like more guys to do it in other words "Ozzie-Ball."

What I don't get is that he HAS more then one guy right now who can run on the club and he refuses to do it buying into that eight run home run philosophy.

You want to run Ozzie?, then turn guys loose.

Lip

And yet when other guys run and get caught stealing, posters are quick to call it 'baserunning gaffes'.

ShoelessJoeS
08-28-2006, 02:51 PM
Why not both?
:cool:Exactly!

caulfield12
08-28-2006, 03:07 PM
To Ozzie's credit he said the team was bad in stealing bases and that he'd like more guys to do it in other words "Ozzie-Ball."

What I don't get is that he HAS more then one guy right now who can run on the club and he refuses to do it buying into that eight run home run philosophy.

You want to run Ozzie?, then turn guys loose.

Lip

I think we're a team of situational basestealers, but Anderson, Ozuna, Iguchi, Uribe and Cintron are certainly not players I would give a green light to. Maybe even Dye could be included.

I'm hopeful that BA becomes a less flashy Torii Hunter clone in terms of offensive statistics and defensive highlights. I'll take that. Hunter is tremendously streaky as an offensive player though.

But if BA ever does become the type of player we would consider paying $12 million, then he's definitely done something right, whether it's defense, 15-20 steals or 15-20 homers.

caulfield12
08-28-2006, 03:12 PM
And yet when other guys run and get caught stealing, posters are quick to call it 'baserunning gaffes'.

I just think it's a byproduct of two factors....

1) The seeming ease which other teams take bases off our pitchers and AJ gives the impression that it should be equivalently easy for Sox players. It's also tough w/ Mauer and I-Roid. If it were Victor Martinez every game, well, it would be like playing a mirror image of ourselves.

2) The way that Pods and Ozuna (but also Cintron and even Dye) look when they're thrown out by about 10 feet or more. They can both get some horrible jumps...many times, Pods has left so early he's been picked off at 2nd, although he does get in safely about 25% of the time in those situations due to a poor throw. In general, our success ratio has been putrid this season...although sometimes, we've deliberately sacrificed runners to get the leadoff man to start the following inning w/ a new count.

maurice
08-28-2006, 03:23 PM
I'm hopeful that BA becomes a less flashy Torii Hunter clone in terms of offensive statistics and defensive highlights.

This is well within reach. Hunter is essentially a .270 AVE, .325 OBP, .460 SLG, 20 SB player with good D. Anderson can meet or exceed all of those marks, IMHO.

Anderson never will get Hunter's undeserved hype, though. He's too laid back to be a media darling, and never makes the typical web gem play (that is, running the wrong way and then diving for no particular reason). The bastard makes it look "too easy."

SoxSpeed22
08-28-2006, 03:26 PM
If BA can be like Carlos Beltran that would kick all ass. But I want to see him use all sides of the field and get gap hits. He can steal, so send him most of the time, not all the time.

caulfield12
08-28-2006, 04:26 PM
This is well within reach. Hunter is essentially a .270 AVE, .325 OBP, .460 SLG, 20 SB player with good D. Anderson can meet or exceed all of those marks, IMHO.

Anderson never will get Hunter's undeserved hype, though. He's too laid back to be a media darling, and never makes the typical web gem play (that is, running the wrong way and then diving for no particular reason). The bastard makes it look "too easy."

Hawk or one of the broadcasters brought up a germane point.

Anderson usually plays shallow, as opposed to Hunter, who craves playing back for two reasons....robbing the dramatic home run ball at the top of the fence and because he's better coming in than going back, a skill Anderson seems to have mastered at this point in his young career.

From watching Mack, Pods and Ozuna all season, we've seen the danger of playing right in front of the warning track. There have probably been 25-30 balls that fell in front of this season, if not more than that.

Anderson doesn't have the vertical of Hunter or the athletic flair, but he's pretty close. I don't see him ever being a 30 steals type of player because of his size, but he'll get 15-18 at least.

maurice
08-28-2006, 05:34 PM
From watching Mack, Pods and Ozuna all season, we've seen the danger of playing right in front of the warning track.

The funny thing about Mackowiak is that he plays extremely deep and still can't make the play on deep balls.
:angry:

If anything past 370' is going to be an automatic extra-base hit, Mackowiak might as well just play shallow, and maybe take away some singles and runners going from 1st to 3rd on him. OTOH, given his inability to take a proper route, playing shallow might prevent him from cutting off the ball, turning singles into triples.
:(:

As far as SB go, if Anderson works on getting a good jump, he should steal 20 easy. Consider CLee, Ordonez, and even Calderon.

slobes
08-28-2006, 06:36 PM
I'm definitely gonna go with base stealer. He finally got out of his slump when he stopped swinging for the fences and started being content with singles. I would be ecstatic if he developed into our leadoff hitter.

MadetoOrta
08-28-2006, 08:28 PM
Lead-off guys don't have to be slap hitters. The best lead-off guys I played with or saw were great bat handlers. Aim for the outside corner and they'd slap the ball. Inside corner they'd pull. They were all great bunt guys and could steal bases.

Do we need to send BA to winter ball or is it something Tim Raines can work with him on mastering? Do we need BA to play another 50 games over the winter? I don't profess to be a baseball guru but it seems like the guy is starting to figure out major league pitching and we're changing his mental approach. Just my opinion.

BA: The Hitman
08-28-2006, 08:48 PM
I don't see why BA can't do both...the thing I don't understand is why ozzie would want him to go play winter ball after playing a full 162 game schedule for the first time in his career....

caulfield12
08-28-2006, 09:03 PM
I don't see why BA can't do both...the thing I don't understand is why ozzie would want him to go play winter ball after playing a full 162 game schedule for the first time in his career....

Because he's still only getting 60% of the at-bats. If Ozzie was playing him 5 or 6 games per week consistently, there would be no need....

Unless it's simply to focus on base-stealing, technique, jumps, etc. But stealing in Winter Ball doesn't necessarily translate any more than Josh Fields' or Owens' SB numbers would translate in games against Mauer, Varitek, Pods, I-Roid, Molina or Posada.