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jamokes
08-27-2006, 08:40 PM
EVERY day, EVERY game for 5 weeks. We are in the middle of a great playoff/pennant race. For the next 5 weeks we will be watching every game of the Tigers, Twins and Red Sox. Who will fall by the wayside?
IMO last year will have helped the White Sox down this stretch and the Twins are one sound team..........good bye Detroit.

0o0o0
08-27-2006, 08:43 PM
The Red Sox?

Myrtle72
08-27-2006, 08:47 PM
I think the Tigers are going to fall back down to earth at some point in the next five weeks. They're good, but I think it's going to get much closer.

And I'm sorry for the Red Sox, but I really think they've lost it. That series with the Yankees just killed 'em and I don't think they're going to gain it back.

thomas35forever
08-27-2006, 08:58 PM
Minnesota will continue to play consistently, Detroit's slump will continue, and Boston's gonna be out of it very soon.

ws05champs
08-27-2006, 10:33 PM
Tigers and Twins have blown their wads. The baseball season is a marathon and the rotation on both teams is shot. The Sox have a great bench and McCarthy is ready to come in to help our tired starting rotation. The Sox are designed for the long run. I hope Twins fans enjoyed this weekend. They won't have as much fun the rest of the season.

batmanZoSo
08-27-2006, 10:48 PM
Tigers and Twins have blown their wads. The baseball season is a marathon and the rotation on both teams is shot. The Sox have a great bench and McCarthy is ready to come in to help our tired starting rotation. The Sox are designed for the long run. I hope Twins fans enjoyed this weekend. They won't have as much fun the rest of the season.

That's how I'd put it. I'll believe these jokers when I see it. Come ooooon. :rolleyes:

24-8 the rest of the way. 100 wins. :mg:

cheezheadsoxfan
08-27-2006, 11:07 PM
Tigers and Twins have blown their wads. The baseball season is a marathon and the rotation on both teams is shot. The Sox have a great bench and McCarthy is ready to come in to help our tired starting rotation. The Sox are designed for the long run. I hope Twins fans enjoyed this weekend. They won't have as much fun the rest of the season.

I like the way you think.:cool:

gbergman
08-27-2006, 11:53 PM
Tigers and Twins have blown their wads. The baseball season is a marathon and the rotation on both teams is shot. The Sox have a great bench and McCarthy is ready to come in to help our tired starting rotation. The Sox are designed for the long run. I hope Twins fans enjoyed this weekend. They won't have as much fun the rest of the season.

I would hope so. I can believe the Tigers faltering. The twins not so much but we will see in 2 weeks.

Regarding Boston we will know by Sept. 6th after our series if they are in the race, as they play oakland for 3, toronto for 4 whom they've struggled against, and finally us. If they have 64 losses there season is done as they will have gone 5-5 over 10 games with 22 left.

monkeypants
08-28-2006, 12:14 AM
Tigers and Twins have blown their wads. The baseball season is a marathon and the rotation on both teams is shot. The Sox have a great bench and McCarthy is ready to come in to help our tired starting rotation. The Sox are designed for the long run. I hope Twins fans enjoyed this weekend. They won't have as much fun the rest of the season.

I think the season is more like the Connie's Pizza race. The sausage (Tigers) and pepperoni (Twins) pizzas all had great streaks but eventually I like to think that the cheese pizza (Sox) is going to finish on top.

HotelWhiteSox
08-28-2006, 12:23 AM
Us playing Minny during the last series could help out Detroit, especially since they'll be playing KC. I see them making the playoffs

dcb56
08-28-2006, 12:44 AM
Week 1: White Sox must win a minimum five games from the **** of the American League over the next six games. If the Sox are serious about this whole repeat thing they must take advantage of what the schedule has given them this week, no failures to execute, no excuses.

my5thbench
08-28-2006, 01:56 PM
the Sox do need to make hay versus the Devil Rays & Royals....they've got their golf outing today, perhaps they'll come back refreshed & ready to hit on all cylanders

nebraskasox
08-28-2006, 02:48 PM
Who can predict what the Jekyll and Hyde White Sox will do? I just pray they can play up to thie potential when it matters most - like right now!

The DRays & Royals will not be easy. They are always pesky vs. the Sox.

It's all about the pitching (novel idea!). If the starters can recapture last year's magic, down this year's stretch, we will win a lot of games. If not, we'll see sporadic flashes of brilliance again in between playing late inning catch up with the offense and making the playoffs will be a struggle.

Moses_Scurry
08-28-2006, 02:48 PM
The Twins will falter, now that they are done playing the Sox until the last series! The Sox just need to make sure they lead them by 4 or more games by the time that series starts!

Bob G
08-28-2006, 03:58 PM
For those of you who believe in computer simulations - just saw this today


Playoff odds report
From the fine folks at Baseball Prospectus (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php), here are the chances each particular team will make the postseason, determined by computers that simulated the remainder of the season 1 million times.
American League
New York Yankees: 97.84 percent
Detroit Tigers: 97.57 percent
Oakland A's: 80.00 percent
Minnesota Twins*: 58.51 percent
Chicago White Sox: 41.00 percent
Los Angeles Angels (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/laa/): 16.68 percent
Boston Red Sox (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/bos/): 4.23 percent
National League
New York Mets (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/nym/): 100 percent (actual: 99.99985)
St. Louis Cardinals (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/stl/): 83.64 percent
Los Angeles Dodgers (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/lad/): 74.10 percent
San Diego Padres (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/sdg/): 40.09 percent
Cincinnati Reds (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/cin/): 37.98 percent
Philadelphia Phillies (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/phi/)*: 20.43 percent
San Francisco Giants: 16.58 percent
Florida Marlins: 6.45 percent
Houston Astros (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/hou/): 6.10 percent * Wild card leader: The Twins are at 49.35 percent, ahead of the White Sox at 35.94 percent, and the Phillies at 20.42 percent are ahead of a gaggle of teams, including the current leaders, the Reds (18.79 percent), and the Padres (15.88 percent)

Jurr
08-28-2006, 04:01 PM
For those of you who believe in computer simulations - just saw this today


Playoff odds report
From the fine folks at Baseball Prospectus (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php), here are the chances each particular team will make the postseason, determined by computers that simulated the remainder of the season 1 million times.
American League
New York Yankees: 97.84 percent
Detroit Tigers: 97.57 percent
Oakland A's: 80.00 percent
Minnesota Twins*: 58.51 percent
Chicago White Sox: 41.00 percent
Los Angeles Angels (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/laa/): 16.68 percent
Boston Red Sox (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/bos/): 4.23 percent
National League
New York Mets (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/nym/): 100 percent (actual: 99.99985)
St. Louis Cardinals (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/stl/): 83.64 percent
Los Angeles Dodgers (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/lad/): 74.10 percent
San Diego Padres (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/sdg/): 40.09 percent
Cincinnati Reds (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/cin/): 37.98 percent
Philadelphia Phillies (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/phi/)*: 20.43 percent
San Francisco Giants: 16.58 percent
Florida Marlins: 6.45 percent
Houston Astros (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/hou/): 6.10 percent * Wild card leader: The Twins are at 49.35 percent, ahead of the White Sox at 35.94 percent, and the Phillies at 20.42 percent are ahead of a gaggle of teams, including the current leaders, the Reds (18.79 percent), and the Padres (15.88 percent)

Please, God, don't start that again. I would put this up last year, and it became a point of humor to us. Nooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ol' No. 2
08-28-2006, 04:34 PM
I think the Tigers are going to fall back down to earth at some point in the next five weeks. They're good, but I think it's going to get much closer.

And I'm sorry for the Red Sox, but I really think they've lost it. That series with the Yankees just killed 'em and I don't think they're going to gain it back.Don't look now, but the Tigers have already fallen back down to earth with a loud thud. They've won only one of their last six series, going 7-13 in their last 20 games. Rogers sucks. Robertson sucks. Miner sucks. Verlander's spent. Bonderman is the only starter they can rely on. The late-season pitching collapse we were predicting is well underway.

Now for the bad news: The Sox have been in their own funk. Over the same period they're 11-10, gaining only 3.5 games. And almost all that gain was the three-game sweep in Chicago. Take out those three games and the Sox were a pitiful 8-10, only a half game better than the Tigers' 7-10. Guess which of the starters has the second lowest ERA in August? Javy Vazquez at 3.48.

It always comes down to pitching, and this year is no different. The division is there for the taking for all three teams. Whichever manages to get solid pitching from here on out will win. Right now it would be hard to justify a bet on any of them.

Jurr
08-28-2006, 04:46 PM
Don't look now, but the Tigers have already fallen back down to earth with a loud thud. They've won only one of their last six series, going 7-13 in their last 20 games. Rogers sucks. Robertson sucks. Miner sucks. Verlander's spent. Bonderman is the only starter they can rely on. The late-season pitching collapse we were predicting is well underway.

Now for the bad news: The Sox have been in their own funk. Over the same period they're 11-10, gaining only 3.5 games. And almost all that gain was the three-game sweep in Chicago. Take out those three games and the Sox were a pitiful 8-10, only a half game better than the Tigers' 7-10. Guess which of the starters has the second lowest ERA in August? Javy Vazquez at 3.48.

It always comes down to pitching, and this year is no different. The division is there for the taking for all three teams. Whichever manages to get solid pitching from here on out will win. Right now it would be hard to justify a bet on any of them.

If all goes right, the Tigers will lose 2 of 3 (or worse) to New York, while the Sox and Twins win 2 of 3 or sweep their opponents. That will set September up with three teams within 3 or 4 games of the division, and the chaos will begin. I cannot ****ing wait. This is going to be A LOT of fun.

Ol' No. 2
08-28-2006, 05:02 PM
If all goes right, the Tigers will lose 2 of 3 (or worse) to New York, while the Sox and Twins win 2 of 3 or sweep their opponents. That will set September up with three teams within 3 or 4 games of the division, and the chaos will begin. I cannot ****ing wait. This is going to be A LOT of fun.The key phrase is "If all goes right". It hasn't so far this season. No consistency from the starting rotation. That's not to say that things can't change, but if you can see a reason to think this minor miracle is on the horizon, you're seeing something I'm not.

samram
08-28-2006, 05:46 PM
The key phrase is "If all goes right". It hasn't so far this season. No consistency from the starting rotation. That's not to say that things can't change, but if you can see a reason to think this minor miracle is on the horizon, you're seeing something I'm not.

Yeah, it appears as if in at least one game in each series, one of the Sox starters is going to be just awful and they won't win no matter what the offense does. It's been like that for 2.5 months. I also think people are missing the fact that the Sox really need to have a great run to catch Detroit with this few games left. Think about it like this- how hard is it to have a 5.5 game lead on May 5th, which would be around when the team would be 32 games (which is what the Sox have left) into the season? Let's put it this way- if the Tigers just play .500, the Sox would basically have to match their starts of the last two seasons (24-8, 23-9) to catch them. Like you said, it's not to say it can't happen, but your pitching has to be phenomenal to run off a streak like that.

0o0o0
08-28-2006, 06:00 PM
Don't look now, but the Tigers have already fallen back down to earth with a loud thud. They've won only one of their last six series, going 7-13 in their last 20 games. Rogers sucks. Robertson sucks. Miner sucks. Verlander's spent. Bonderman is the only starter they can rely on. The late-season pitching collapse we were predicting is well underway.


Last 5 Starts
Jon Garland: 4-1, 2.50 era
Kenny Rogers: 4-1, 1.64 era

Robertson does suck, Miner does suck, Verlander is spent, but Rogers is pitching well again.

Tiger23
08-28-2006, 07:08 PM
Thank you.

I'm not sure Verlander is spent. He was dominating the Indians the other day until he decided to throw his fastball every pitch. He was hitting 100 on the gun. Miner is also out of the rotation until further notice. Ledezma is getting the start this time, after which we will play it by ear.

caulfield12
08-28-2006, 07:33 PM
For those of you who believe in computer simulations - just saw this today


Playoff odds report
From the fine folks at Baseball Prospectus (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php), here are the chances each particular team will make the postseason, determined by computers that simulated the remainder of the season 1 million times.
American League
New York Yankees: 97.84 percent
Detroit Tigers: 97.57 percent
Oakland A's: 80.00 percent
Minnesota Twins*: 58.51 percent
Chicago White Sox: 41.00 percent
Los Angeles Angels (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/laa/): 16.68 percent
Boston Red Sox (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/bos/): 4.23 percent
National League
New York Mets (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/nym/): 100 percent (actual: 99.99985)
St. Louis Cardinals (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/stl/): 83.64 percent
Los Angeles Dodgers (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/lad/): 74.10 percent
San Diego Padres (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/sdg/): 40.09 percent
Cincinnati Reds (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/cin/): 37.98 percent
Philadelphia Phillies (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/phi/)*: 20.43 percent
San Francisco Giants: 16.58 percent
Florida Marlins: 6.45 percent
Houston Astros (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/hou/): 6.10 percent * Wild card leader: The Twins are at 49.35 percent, ahead of the White Sox at 35.94 percent, and the Phillies at 20.42 percent are ahead of a gaggle of teams, including the current leaders, the Reds (18.79 percent), and the Padres (15.88 percent)

The problem is that it's a statistical analysis of what has happened until this point in the season...

Does it show the difference between having Liriano and two or three lesser rookies in the rotation?

Does it take into account Radke's arm/shoulder issues? No, the computer projects him to pitch like his season averages, and anyone who has seen his last five starts knows he's just as likely to be out for the season or be shut down in the second or third inning as he is to get a win.

It also doesn't measure the fact that we've been through this once before and come out the other side of the tunnel. And the fact that the White Sox pitching can do nothing but improve from here on out, with the exception of Garland and Jenks.

caulfield12
08-28-2006, 07:39 PM
Thank you.

I'm not sure Verlander is spent. He was dominating the Indians the other day until he decided to throw his fastball every pitch. He was hitting 100 on the gun. Miner is also out of the rotation until further notice. Ledezma is getting the start this time, after which we will play it by ear.

The Rookie of the Year and Cy Young race is getting more and more interesting. Santana is definitely looking to be the favorite for the Cy.

The SI Jinx always stops them in their tracks.

Ledezma has always looked better to me than Miner, I don't know how Zach was as successful as he was. He could have been claimed by any team in MLB as he wasn't protected on the 40 man roster. So obviously, the Tigers had some concerns about his long-term viability, although he's been one of the saviors of the mid-season, along with Thames and Monroe.

I would describe the Tigers as shaken but not quite stirred yet. If they would have left CLE after a sweep, there would be serious concern I would have to think. Granderson and Ordonez haven't looked very dangerous recently, although Curtis did hit a key homer early Sunday.

Lip Man 1
08-28-2006, 07:46 PM
It's baseball prospectus, propellerheads at their best. Screw them and the horse they rode in on.

Lip

rwcescato
08-28-2006, 11:23 PM
EVERY day, EVERY game for 5 weeks. We are in the middle of a great playoff/pennant race. For the next 5 weeks we will be watching every game of the Tigers, Twins and Red Sox. Who will fall by the wayside?
IMO last year will have helped the White Sox down this stretch and the Twins are one sound team..........good bye Detroit.

This is what baseball is all about. Its been at least since '93-94 that we had 2 season in a row where everything counts till the end. Its to bad baseball killed our adventure in 94.

PKalltheway
08-29-2006, 12:10 AM
That's how I'd put it. I'll believe these jokers when I see it. Come ooooon. :rolleyes:

24-8 the rest of the way. 100 wins. :mg:
I'm with you on this one. There's no way in hell Minnesota is going to keep this up. It took them playing over .700 ball just to get to a 1/2 a game over us. They won't keep this up.

Nellie_Fox
08-29-2006, 12:14 AM
I think the season is more like the Connie's Pizza race. The sausage (Tigers) and pepperoni (Twins) pizzas all had great streaks but eventually I like to think that the cheese pizza (Sox) is going to finish on top.NO WAY are the Sox the plain old cheese pizza! Saahsage!

RedHeadPaleHoser
08-29-2006, 06:34 AM
5 weeks left.....32 games to go.

Nothing is over. Just play baseball, WS....play like the team you ARE.