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Chi Town Sox
08-26-2006, 11:35 PM
Yes or no

102605
08-26-2006, 11:39 PM
Will he? No.

Should he? Yes.

1951Campbell
08-26-2006, 11:39 PM
If he hasn't started already, it doesn't seem like the decisionmakers are going to make it happen now.

eurotrash35
08-26-2006, 11:40 PM
wouldn't it be nice?

MrX
08-26-2006, 11:40 PM
Will he? No.

Should he? Yes.
My thoughts exactly

Jerko
08-26-2006, 11:41 PM
He may get A start, but he won't get regular turns.

cleanwsox
08-26-2006, 11:42 PM
One of these struggling starters has to go on the DL, if they are all healthy and pitching this horribly... that is sad. :whiner:

Mr. White Sox
08-26-2006, 11:43 PM
Will he? No.

Should he? Yes.

ditto.

MrRoboto83
08-26-2006, 11:45 PM
Will he: NO
should he: NO

It was easy to see tonight why McCarthy is valuble in the bullpen.

NoShoesJoe
08-26-2006, 11:49 PM
It'd be nice, but not gonna happen. We are too far down the track now. :(:

Kub_Killer_15
08-26-2006, 11:50 PM
Depends if one of our starters gets injured

Chips
08-26-2006, 11:54 PM
Will he: NO
should he: NO

It was easy to see tonight why McCarthy is valuble in the bullpen.

Well said.

Is going to be a thread about this after every bad outing?:rolleyes:

I want Mags back
08-26-2006, 11:54 PM
Im ready to see him start and put Vazquez in the Pen. He's normally solid for 1-2 innings, but always has a big one in the 3rd 4th or 5th

Senerch23
08-26-2006, 11:58 PM
He seemed "stretched out" tonight. 5.1 innings and only one earned run is better than anyone else on this staff has pitched against the Twins besides Garland.

Anyone think they have been stretching him out behind the scenes and that's why we haven't seen him in almost two weeks? Maybe something is wrong with Contreras?

cheezheadsoxfan
08-27-2006, 12:00 AM
He seemed "stretched out" tonight. 5.1 innings and only one earned run is better than anyone else on this staff has pitched against the Twins besides Garland.

Anyone think they have been stretching him out behind the scenes and that's why we haven't seen him in almost two weeks? Maybe something is wrong with Contreras?

That would be a nice thought (stretching him out, not JC hurt) but it probably makes too much sense. By the way, no post-game thread tonight?

MrX
08-27-2006, 12:02 AM
By the way, no post-game thread tonight?
It's in the ****house

DaleJRFan
08-27-2006, 01:03 AM
Well said.

Is going to be a thread about this after every bad outing?:rolleyes:

Yes, as long as four of the five starters completely ****ing suck every turn in the rotation.

eurotrash35
08-27-2006, 01:07 AM
I don't get the argument that we need bmac in the pen. that's like taking a rubber chicken to a gunfight and then pulling out the .45 you had in your pocket as a backup after a few bullets whiz past your head.

gee, it's good thing he's coming out of the pen, or we wouldn't have anybody to clean up the mess after our starters crap their pants in the second inning.

Mr. White Sox
08-27-2006, 01:20 AM
I don't get the argument that we need Fingernails on a blackboard in the pen. that's like taking a rubber chicken to a gunfight and then pulling out the .45 you had in your pocket as a backup after a few bullets whiz past your head.

gee, it's good thing he's coming out of the pen, or we wouldn't have anybody to clean up the mess after our starters crap their pants in the second inning.

No, no it's the chicken and the egg argument. If Brandon leaves the 'pen then Vazquez and Freddy will start pitching gems. There then won't be any room for FoaBB, so he'll be pitching every 6th day. Then he'll give up 6 ER a start because he's not stretched out. Then they'll have to put him in the bullpen again and he won't be adjusted.

Chicken and the egg, son.

BainesHOF
08-27-2006, 01:40 AM
Apparently it's more important to not hurt the feelings and value of Garcia, Buehrle and Vazquez and not make the playoffs than it is to insert McCarthy in the rotation and reach the playoffs.

Mohoney
08-27-2006, 05:14 AM
A simple question to all the McCarthy fans:

Would you rather:

1) Leave him in the bullpen this year and cream your jeans next year when he wins 14+ games

or

2) Put him in the starting rotation, have him blow his arm out in the 8th inning of a game in September, and never see him pitch again

I put the question to you. If you were really a fan of this kid, you wouldn't risk career ending injury on him, would you?

Mr. White Sox
08-27-2006, 06:25 AM
A simple question to all the McCarthy fans:

Would you rather:

1) Leave him in the bullpen this year and cream your jeans next year when he wins 14+ games

or

2) Put him in the starting rotation, have him blow his arm out in the 8th inning of a game in September, and never see him pitch again

I put the question to you. If you were really a fan of this kid, you wouldn't risk career ending injury on him, would you?
I hope that's in teal...
:?:

Would you rather:
SHUT DOWN EVERY STARTING PITCHER RIGHT NOW and cream your jeans next year when they all tie for first place in the Cy Young?

or

Keep pitching them only to have them GIVE UP INFINITE HOME RUNS EVERY START?

Just a simple question.

BainesHOF
08-27-2006, 10:35 AM
A simple question to all the McCarthy fans:

Would you rather:

2) Put him in the starting rotation, have him blow his arm out in the 8th inning of a game in September, and never see him pitch again

I put the question to you. If you were really a fan of this kid, you wouldn't risk career ending injury on him, would you?

That's clearly not the option. McCarthy pitched over five innings Saturday and pitched well. It doesn't take much for a long reliever to be able to work his arm into shape to be able to pitch five or six innings and, shortly after that, seven and eight innings.

kevingrt
08-27-2006, 11:23 AM
After last night I think we have a YES in September for this poll.

tick53
08-27-2006, 12:08 PM
He might if it turns out that Contreras is hurt, but IMO I'm not sure if Brandon is not the savior of this season anyway. He's a good pitcher, but he isn't a Liriano or anything. I hope I'm wrong.

ode to veeck
08-27-2006, 12:16 PM
Yesterday's performance certainly opens this question up a lot more. If you gave him a coupe of spot starts, would you rest one or two of the other horses, who have pitched a ton since going through Oct last year and some starting early with the friggin world baseball BS early this year?

cheezheadsoxfan
08-27-2006, 12:34 PM
He might if it turns out that Contreras is hurt, but IMO I'm not sure if Brandon is not the savior of this season anyway. He's a good pitcher, but he isn't a Liriano or anything. I hope I'm wrong.

How do we know he isn't a Liriano? We don't see enough of him. Of course, Liriano's now injured, maybe too much too soon.

Like you say, Fingernails isn't going to save the whole season, but sure would like to see more of him based on last night AND the 4-5 innings in that 19 inning game against Boston.

fusillirob1983
08-27-2006, 12:37 PM
He should, but I voted that he won't.

Baby Fisk
08-27-2006, 12:39 PM
Is going to be a thread about this after every bad outing?:rolleyes:

Hell yeah, Chips! It's time to quit-yer-bitchin' and get on the Fingernails Bandwagon. I am a born again McCarthyite and so should you be. So should we all! In fact, Ozzie needs to dump most of this useless rotation and go to a radical two-man setup: Garland and McCarthy and pray for rain. It will be so radical your brain will start sizzling as you watch the radicalness. Success is assured! I want some fingernails!

Frater Perdurabo
08-27-2006, 04:23 PM
McCarthy proved last night he could pitch 5.1 innings against the best hitting team in the majors and allow just one run.

That's better than any other starter other than Garland (and Buehrle today) has done in the last month.

At this point in the season, would I ask McCarthy to pitch a complete game? No.

Would I ask him to throw 100 pitches? No.

Would I ask him to start a game and pitch five efficient, low scoring innings, and give way to the bullpen? Yes.

Will Ozzie? Only if he wants to give his team an opportunity to win.

doctorlecter
08-27-2006, 04:57 PM
I think that it might be a smart move to let BMac get Jose's next start. He's been all over the place lately, it wouldn't be a bad thing to skip his next start and give him some extra rest and maybe work with Coop. I wouldn't let it go past that, Jose is a horse you can ride to the postseason. Javy pitched pretty well last start. Mark pitched a great game today. So give BMac one start, especially since he'd be on that schedule anyway.

ShoelessJoeS
08-27-2006, 05:00 PM
Will he? No.

Should he? Yes.Took the words right out of my mouth.

Lip Man 1
08-27-2006, 05:25 PM
Ozzie said today that he isn't changing a thing with his five starters because he has "faith" in them.

We'll see if they respond to his faith.

Lip

daveeym
08-27-2006, 05:27 PM
I couldn't bear to read the full thread so maybe someone said this but no, unless someone goes on the dl, they'll probably throw out a 4 man rotation before adding mccarthy to the rotation.

IlliniSox4Life
08-27-2006, 06:28 PM
I voted No, but then I remembered, didn't he already get one start when Jose was injured earlier this year? Wouldn't that make this question answered already?

Malgar 12
08-27-2006, 07:10 PM
Will he: NO
should he: NO

It was easy to see tonight why McCarthy is valuble in the bullpen.

By that logic Liriano should still be in the Twins bullpen.

LauraJ14
08-27-2006, 07:19 PM
I voted No, but then I remembered, didn't he already get one start when Jose was injured earlier this year? Wouldn't that make this question answered already?


No, they brought up the knuckleballer from AAA, Haeger

viagracat
08-27-2006, 07:20 PM
I'd sure as hell would like to see what's up with Contreras all of a sudden. He may need to miss a start; I dunno. I think he's tired. In that case, McCarthy is the natural spot starter. Might as well see what he's got.

But as I said earlier, Ozzie is stubborn and I don't see the rotation changing barring obvious injury right now.

IlliniSox4Life
08-27-2006, 07:30 PM
No, they brought up the knuckleballer from AAA, Haeger

He started one, but Contreras missed two starts.

Just checked it:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=260516130

Brandon did make one start already, so all of us who answered No lose.

voodoochile
08-27-2006, 07:34 PM
A simple question to all the McCarthy fans:

Would you rather:

1) Leave him in the bullpen this year and cream your jeans next year when he wins 14+ games

or

2) Put him in the starting rotation, have him blow his arm out in the 8th inning of a game in September, and never see him pitch again

I put the question to you. If you were really a fan of this kid, you wouldn't risk career ending injury on him, would you?

Are these the only two ridiculous choices I am allowed? Is it a certainty that he will blow out an arm if allowed to start some games down the stretch? Is it a certainty he will win 14+ next year if he doesn't start any this year?

Couldn't the Sox put him on a short leash? Say 6 IP for a couple of starts until he gets loosened up?

The mind boggles at the possibilities...:rolleyes:

voodoochile
08-27-2006, 07:36 PM
By that logic Liriano should still be in the Twins bullpen.

Again with the Liriano/McCarthy comparisons... it doesn't hold water... Hopefully it will some day, but for now this is one of the dumbest arguments presented in a LONG time.

Malgar 12
08-28-2006, 05:19 PM
Again with the Liriano/McCarthy comparisons... it doesn't hold water... Hopefully it will some day, but for now this is one of the dumbest arguments presented in a LONG time.

nonsense... the logic that McCarthy is too valuable to the bullpen is the dumb argument. If, McCarthy is better than any starter he should start plain and simple. Liriano was in the exact same position in Minnesota. They moeved him to the rotation and haven't slowed down since. Does that mean that McCarthy should be put in the rotation... not necessarily...but to pretend that "he's to valuable in the pen" is a good reason is completely ridiculous.

voodoochile
08-28-2006, 05:35 PM
nonsense... the logic that McCarthy is too valuable to the bullpen is the dumb argument. If, McCarthy is better than any starter he should start plain and simple. Liriano was in the exact same position in Minnesota. They moeved him to the rotation and haven't slowed down since. Does that mean that McCarthy should be put in the rotation... not necessarily...but to pretend that "he's to valuable in the pen" is a good reason is completely ridiculous.

Now that I agree with, but to use a ROY candidate as the benchmark makes the argument lose meaning. McCarthy is a good young pitcher who will hopefully earn many wins for our boys in black and silver in years to come, but he isn't Liriano at this stage of his career, period.

Mohoney
08-28-2006, 08:31 PM
Are these the only two ridiculous choices I am allowed? Is it a certainty that he will blow out an arm if allowed to start some games down the stretch? Is it a certainty he will win 14+ next year if he doesn't start any this year?

Couldn't the Sox put him on a short leash? Say 6 IP for a couple of starts until he gets loosened up?

The mind boggles at the possibilities...:rolleyes:

I admit that I went overboard there. It's just that starting McCarthy definitely increases the risk of him getting injured. That's not to say that he definitely would get hurt (which is where I went overboard), but the risk is definitely increased.

Malgar 12
08-28-2006, 08:35 PM
Now that I agree with, but to use a ROY candidate as the benchmark makes the argument lose meaning. McCarthy is a good young pitcher who will hopefully earn many wins for our boys in black and silver in years to come, but he isn't Liriano at this stage of his career, period.

Then we're on the same page. If you look back to my original post I wasn't comparing talent only the similar situations.