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cbotnyse
08-25-2006, 10:55 PM
That's a bad way to end the game, but he would have caught that anyway. We need to put this game behind us and out of our heads and pick up these next two games.

QCIASOXFAN
08-25-2006, 10:57 PM
Don't mean to bring back the bad memory, but *** happened? I was unable to watch the game tonight due to it not being televised in my area.

hi im skot
08-25-2006, 10:58 PM
I don't think anyone is going to disagree with you.

It's just a hard way to end the game.

Timmy D's
08-25-2006, 10:59 PM
I personally like the play by the fan. Woulda been caught, why not knock it out and hope interference doesnt get called. That is home field advantage afterall. Man, I am just mad at the world right now though after that loss!!!:angry: :angry: :angry:

IronFisk
08-25-2006, 11:00 PM
Interference all the way. I applaud the fan for giving it a try.

batmanZoSo
08-25-2006, 11:01 PM
I don't think anyone is going to disagree with you.

It's just a hard way to end the game.

We should have never batted there. That's the bigger issue.

cbotnyse
08-25-2006, 11:01 PM
Don't mean to bring back the bad memory, but *** happened? I was unable to watch the game tonight due to it not being televised in my area.It was a foul ball down the first base side and a fan reached into the field of play and knocked the ball away, and JD was called out on fan interference. It was the right call.

hi im skot
08-25-2006, 11:03 PM
We should have never batted there. That's the bigger issue.

No disagreements here.

FoulTerritory
08-25-2006, 11:03 PM
Does anyone know the exact rule for fan interference? Why, for example, wasn't it called in the Bartman incident? Is it that it isn't called if your own home fan that inhibits you from making a catch, but it is called when a fan inibits the catch of a visiting team's player? I'm confused.

cleanwsox
08-25-2006, 11:05 PM
I think the big thing in this call was the fan got a lot of Morneau's mitt which makes it an easy call for the ump. If the fan catches it above Morneau's mitt its a lot tougher since Morneau was on the run and its hard to assume that is a catch since it would have been a tough play. Nonetheless, I don't blame the fan at all.

cbotnyse
08-25-2006, 11:05 PM
Does anyone know the exact rule for fan interference? Why, for example, wasn't it called in the Bartman incident? Is it that it isn't called if your own home fan that inhibits you from making a catch, but it is called when a fan inibits the catch of a visiting team's player? I'm confused.I thought that was a funny question you ask considering your user name. but I dont know the official rule.

Ol' No. 2
08-25-2006, 11:05 PM
Does anyone know the exact rule for fan interference? Why, for example, wasn't it called in the Bartman incident? Is it that it isn't called if your own home fan that inhibits you from making a catch, but it is called when a fan inibits the catch of a visiting team's player? I'm confused.It's only called when the fan reaches into the field of play. Bartman didn't.

Slats
08-25-2006, 11:06 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interference_(baseball)

FoulTerritory
08-25-2006, 11:12 PM
I thought that was a funny question you ask considering your user name. but I dont know the official rule.

Heh. Yeah, I hadn't thought of the irony there. Alas, despite my screen name, I do not preside over, nor have complete mastery over foul territory or all of the rules involved with it.

Timmy D's
08-25-2006, 11:26 PM
We should have never batted there. That's the bigger issue.

That is hittin the nail on the friggin' head my friend, we shoulda never batted there is right!!!!:angry: :angry: :angry:


SERENITY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

slobes
08-25-2006, 11:28 PM
Does anyone know the exact rule for fan interference? Why, for example, wasn't it called in the Bartman incident? Is it that it isn't called if your own home fan that inhibits you from making a catch, but it is called when a fan inibits the catch of a visiting team's player? I'm confused.

Once the fielder reaches his glove into the stands, anything goes. The stands belong to the fans, and the field belongs to the players.

Kub_Killer_15
08-26-2006, 12:10 AM
No way you want to lose the game. I over reacted when I heard fan interferance it wasn't really his fault but still he has to not make it look so ovious.

Ol' No. 2
08-26-2006, 12:17 AM
Fans should keep their hands in their pockets. You don't interfere with a ball in play - EVER.

Babe The Blue Ox
08-26-2006, 12:52 AM
Fans should keep their hands in their pockets

um, huh huh, the game is much better in there I hear.

Tigerslover
08-26-2006, 01:25 AM
Fans should keep their hands in their pockets. You don't interfere with a ball in play - EVER.

I agree with this. I hate how because fans pay for a ticket to attend a game, they feel it gives them the right to throw things on the field, run on the field, etc.

Nellie_Fox
08-26-2006, 01:29 AM
Come on. The ball is in the air, and you're in the front row. Are you going to start looking down to judge whether the ball is past the railing or not? Be serious.

Now, when you lean out over the railing and grab a ball on the ground, you absolutely know that the ball is not in the seats, but still in the field of play. I don't care if its actually foul, anyone who grabs a ball off the field should be ejected.

TheKittle
08-26-2006, 01:32 AM
Interference all the way. I applaud the fan for giving it a try.

What the hell would you have said if a fan in Houston, interfered with Uribe in Game 4 of the WS, and the umpire didn't call that?

Would you applaud that fan?

IronFisk
08-26-2006, 02:09 AM
What the hell would you have said if a fan in Houston, interfered with Uribe in Game 4 of the WS, and the umpire didn't call that?

Would you applaud that fan?

As Houston fan, HELL YEAH! Those "fans" should have done everything they could have to caught that ball themselves. Once the player jumps into the stands, all bets are off.

Even our announcers said as much.

downstairs
08-26-2006, 09:48 AM
I felt the game was lost either way, so I didn't care much about the fan interference. However, I am curious... how can there be fan interference on a foul ball? I thought that fans could do whatever they wanted in foul territory (read: Bartman)?

Isn't a fan in foul territory considered the same as a wall or tarp or other "normal" obstruction?

Anyone know the official rule which defines the difference between, say, the Bartman incident and the one last night?

(If this should be in Talking Baseball, I apologize... and please move)

Paulwny
08-26-2006, 09:52 AM
I

(If this should be in Talking Baseball, I apologize... and please move)

It's in the Clubhouse

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=77746

downstairs
08-26-2006, 10:03 AM
It's in the Clubhouse

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=77746


My bad...

Boozer
08-26-2006, 10:42 AM
Because like stated before, Bartman didn't lean over the wall for the ball like this Sox fan clearly did.

Damn straight we should not of had to bat in the bottom of the ninth.

viagracat
08-26-2006, 10:57 AM
It was the equivilent of pass interference in football. The fan grabbed Morneau's mitt, and the ball was clearly in the field of play (fair or foul--no diffeence). Alou was trying to reach into the stands. You have to call that one the way the umps last night. No argument from Guillen or Dye.

The fan should be punished, however. Although unlikely, Morneau might have dropped the ball anyway. His actions only hurt the Sox.

FielderJones
08-26-2006, 12:23 PM
Although unlikely, Morneau might have dropped the ball anyway. His actions only hurt the Sox.

Although unlikely, the umpire might have been out of position to make the call. The fan might have prevented a sure Morneau catch and allowed the game to continue. His actions could have helped the Sox.

areilly
08-26-2006, 03:41 PM
It just broke my heart to see it. Not that we lost, but that the one jackass in the white Hanes t-shirt was screaming at Morneau, pointing at him and pounding his fists together as though to say "yeah, we showed you!"

Of course the dude was visibly drunk.

And ugly.

Way to set the Sox fan cause back a few years. We were doing so well too. :rolleyes:

batmanZoSo
08-26-2006, 03:59 PM
As Houston fan, HELL YEAH! Those "fans" should have done everything they could have to caught that ball themselves. Once the player jumps into the stands, all bets are off.

Even our announcers said as much.

I remember reading that as luck would have it Uribe went right into a group of Sox fans. Don't know if that's of any veracity. Either way, that was the greatest catch I've ever seen.

viagracat
08-26-2006, 04:34 PM
Although unlikely, the umpire might have been out of position to make the call. The fan might have prevented a sure Morneau catch and allowed the game to continue. His actions could have helped the Sox.

True, but you would hate to see that. Also, ESPN, the Cubune, Moronotti and others would have given us the "see, what'd I tell you about Sox fans, as if you need any more convincing" crap. The Sox lost this one fair and square.

35th&Shields
08-26-2006, 05:39 PM
I personally like the play by the fan. Woulda been caught, why not knock it out and hope interference doesnt get called. That is home field advantage afterall. Man, I am just mad at the world right now though after that loss!!!:angry: :angry: :angry:

I agree. If the fan breaks it up, and the ump doesn't make that call, then we still have another bullet. There was nothing to lose. It's the reverse of what Bartman did. In this instance the Sox fan could have helped his team.

soxwon
08-27-2006, 05:13 PM
our version of BARTMAN INCIDENT?

Myrtle72
08-27-2006, 05:59 PM
I agree, I think it was a good play by the fan.

Either that fan was thinking quick and trying to help out the Sox on the off chance that the ump didn't catch the interferance...

Or he was just an idiot who didn't realize what he was doing.

Either way, the ball would have been caught, the game would have been over. The fan created a situation that MIGHT have prolonged the game, so way to go for him. :)

wassagstdu
08-27-2006, 07:02 PM
I agree. If the fan breaks it up, and the ump doesn't make that call, then we still have another bullet. There was nothing to lose. It's the reverse of what Bartman did. In this instance the Sox fan could have helped his team.
Sox need to cheat to win? Winning isn't everything. Being that good is what is important. Winning by cheating is nothing. Ask McGuire or Sosa or ask any Sox fan about Giambi.

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Myrtle72
08-27-2006, 07:27 PM
Sox need to cheat to win?

But the fan was reaching for the ball, not a member of the team. That doesn't mean the Sox were cheating.

MarySwiss
08-27-2006, 07:31 PM
True, but you would hate to see that. Also, ESPN, the Cubune, Moronotti and others would have given us the "see, what'd I tell you about Sox fans, as if you need any more convincing" crap. The Sox lost this one fair and square.

Yeah, but you know what? We're going to hear that **** from them anyway, so ***?

My brother and I went back-and-forth on this issue yesterday. He thought the guy should have his season's tickets revoked. I thought what the guy did was heads-up.

You say "to-MAY-toe" and I say "to-MAH-toe." :rolleyes:

Chez
08-28-2006, 08:50 AM
"Good play?" I doubt this was a premeditated act by the fan. If the fan was really trying to help the Sox, he would have attempted to distract Morneau rather than interfere with him. Scream in his face; throw beer past his head; have his girlfriend lift her shirt . . . distract him so he doesn't make the catch; don't interfere with the play.

itsnotrequired
08-28-2006, 08:56 AM
Sox need to cheat to win? Winning isn't everything. Being that good is what is important. Winning by cheating is nothing. Ask McGuire or Sosa or ask any Sox fan about Giambi.

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How exactly could the Sox have been cheating on the play? Was that fan on the Sox payroll? A blown call by an umpire does not equal cheating.

viagracat
08-28-2006, 09:14 AM
You say "to-MAY-toe" and I say "to-MAH-toe." :rolleyes:

Let's call the whole thing off! :smile:

whitesoxwin
08-28-2006, 09:41 AM
Building on what one poster mentioned about someone sitting at field level: ball on the ground, better pay attention to the ump....keep your head in the game. Ball in the air...hey, its up for grabs, but again, think about who's team is on the field.
I feel the fan did the right thing, but he got "caught" by the ump getting a little too much of the players glove.
If he would have caught the ball or knocked it away w/o hitting the glove, the call may have gone our way....and the guy becomes an instant celebrity.
But now, some people are blamming him for costing us the game--a Bartman (????).
From my view, if everybody would have "backed off" the ball probably would have been caught.
But again, when there is a ball on the ground...it really irks me when someone gets a "fair" ball and jumps around (and the other idiots around him) getting "high fives" and the "what?.. me?" look as security escorts the guy out of the stadium.
Bottom line, if you sit in the front row at ground level, you have to keep your head in the game and some umps need to be quicker on the "fair or foul" call--remember last week on a Paulie at bat (Paulie damn near carried his bat all the way to first waiting for the call and we all know Paulie can really burn up the base paths..Ha-Ha).

miker
08-28-2006, 09:52 AM
...have his girlfriend lift her shirt...
Like Major Leaguers don't see that all the time....:rolleyes:

chisoxmike
08-28-2006, 10:17 AM
our version of BARTMAN INCIDENT?


No.


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