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dwalteroo
08-24-2006, 06:54 PM
I know everyone knows this, but Jermaine Dye deserves to be the AL MVP this year, hands down. If he doesn't get it, the world ain't right.

JB98
08-24-2006, 06:56 PM
I know everyone knows this, but Jermaine Dye deserves to be the AL MVP this year, hands down. If he doesn't get it, the world ain't right.

I agree with you, and the world ain't right. So brace yourself.

JD's batting average is over 40 points higher than the beloved Big Papi, and obviously, the power numbers are there. In addition, JD has AJ batting behind him. I love AJ, but he doesn't provide the protection that Manny Ramirez does.

dwalteroo
08-24-2006, 06:59 PM
Agreed. And not to sound like Mike North, but Dye PLAYS THE FIELD. And not only does he play the field, he's arguably one of the best at his position. I just hate to see a career year like this go unrecognized.

digdagdug23
08-24-2006, 07:00 PM
I agree with you, and the world ain't right. So brace yourself.

JD's batting average is over 40 points higher than the beloved Big Papi, and obviously, the power numbers are there. In addition, JD has AJ batting behind him. I love AJ, but he doesn't provide the protection that Manny Ramirez does.

And I agree with you. The world ain't right, and life ain't fair. Whomever told you it was, lied.

Baby J rocks this team, the league, and the sport. We all know that, and perhaps that is enough. AJ and Dye were the best aquisitions to this lineup that has happened in a long time.

Law11
08-24-2006, 07:29 PM
Go JD!

hold2dibber
08-24-2006, 07:32 PM
Although I sadly won't be able to attend any of the games this weekend, I strongly encourage those there to start the ol' "M-V-P!" chant each time JD steps to the plate.

batmanZoSo
08-24-2006, 07:53 PM
JD's been the best RF in the AL for the last two years now.

SOXfnNlansing
08-24-2006, 08:04 PM
JD will never win MVP. That's just the facts of baseball in fly over country

thomas35forever
08-24-2006, 08:22 PM
Even Bill Melton said on the postgame show that ESPN and other eastern seaboard outlets would prevent Dye from winning MVP.

A. Cavatica
08-24-2006, 08:27 PM
Once nice benefit of the Bosox tailspin is that it could sweep Ortiz, Papelbon, Ramirez, et al out of MVP consideration. But that just means it will go to a Yankee.

JB98
08-24-2006, 08:29 PM
Once nice benefit of the Bosox tailspin is that it could sweep Ortiz, Papelbon, Ramirez, et al out of MVP consideration. But that just means it will go to a Yankee.

Why the teal? The statement you just made is a sad reality.

jenn2080
08-24-2006, 08:40 PM
Duh no brainer ..DYE ALL THE WAY

Kub_Killer_15
08-24-2006, 08:56 PM
It would be nice to see Jermaine Dye on the cover of MVP Baseball 2007 if they renew the contract with MLB:cool:

A. Cavatica
08-24-2006, 09:05 PM
Why the teal? The statement you just made is a sad reality.

Alex Rodriguez...first MVP ever with 57 errors!

...ahem...

Alex Rodriguez...first MVP ever with 57 errors!

MrRoboto83
08-24-2006, 09:11 PM
I actually believe if JD keeps this up, he will win MVP over Ortiz because of the DH factor.

lakeviewsoxfan
08-24-2006, 09:18 PM
I actually believe if JD keeps this up, he will win MVP over Ortiz because of the DH factor.

When you figure in he will probably bat 3rd ahead of Konerko instead of 5th ahead of AJ the quality of the pitches to hit will be far greater, lets just hope OG dosent bat AJ 3rd against RHP. Dye should bat 3rd in the lineup for the remainder of the season.

Pods/Ozuna/Mack
Gooch
JD
PK
Thome
Crede
AJ
BA
Uribe

1 more thing NO MORE MACK IN CF.

dickallen15
08-24-2006, 09:19 PM
Dye has had an MVP-type of season so far. Let's see how the rest of the season plays out before we determine he is the trophy's rightful owner.

MeteorsSox4367
08-25-2006, 12:20 AM
The only way Dye wins the MVP is if he changes his name to Derek Jeter. Does he deserve to win? Absolutely. Will he win? Unfortunately, nope. He doesn't play in New York or Boston.

batmanZoSo
08-25-2006, 12:25 AM
The only way Dye wins the MVP is if he changes his name to Derek Jeter. Does he deserve to win? Absolutely. Will he win? Unfortunately, nope. He doesn't play in New York or Boston.

It's early yet. He's got 37 homers with a week left in August. With another hot month, we might be looking at 50 homers. Along with the .320 average and everything else. It'd be hard to give it to anyone else in that case.

Gregory Pratt
08-25-2006, 12:28 AM
Agreed. And not to sound like Mike North, but Dye PLAYS THE FIELD. And not only does he play the field, he's arguably one of the best at his position. I just hate to see a career year like this go unrecognized.

Ah, no! No no no no! Jermaine is not one of the best at playing Right Field. He's about average.

He's putting up great offensive numbers this year, but for my money, Jim Thome is the MVP of the American League this year. He's been a complete package for us, going deep and walking. Without Thome, I don't think anyone on our team would be doing as well as they are.

AJ, for instance, might be swinging for the fences more like he did last year for the first time in his career, but now he can go back to hitting Minnesota-AJ because obviously there're plenty of boppers ahead of him.
Would Dye and Konerko be doing as well? Probably not. They'd see less pitches, and I think they'd have a ton more pressure on them than they do now to produce. Konerko, for one, is a very protective, worryful fellow. He's always beating himself up.

Imagine how much more he'd be beating himself up if Thome weren't ahead of him.

batmanZoSo
08-25-2006, 12:31 AM
Ah, no! No no no no! Jermaine is not one of the best at playing Right Field. He's about average.

He's putting up great offensive numbers this year, but for my money, Jim Thome is the MVP of the American League this year. He's been a complete package for us, going deep and walking. Without Thome, I don't think anyone on our team would be doing as well as they are.

AJ, for instance, might be swinging for the fences more like he did last year for the first time in his career, but now he can go back to hitting Minnesota-AJ because obviously there're plenty of boppers ahead of him.
Would Dye and Konerko be doing as well? Probably not. They'd see less pitches, and I think they'd have a ton more pressure on them than they do now to produce. Konerko, for one, is a very protective, worryful fellow. He's always beating himself up.

Imagine how much more he'd be beating himself up if Thome weren't ahead of him.

I don't see how Dye's average defensively. There really aren't many great right fielders out there. Who's clear-cut better than Dye right now besides Ichiro?

Chips
08-25-2006, 12:35 AM
I don't see how Dye's average defensively. There really aren't many great right fielders out there. Who's clear-cut better than Dye right now besides Ichiro?

Nobody.

PeteWard
08-25-2006, 12:36 AM
Let's wait till Oct 1. If he picks up some RBIs on Ortiz (who hit another HR tonight) and he will have a chance.

Beer Can Chicken
08-25-2006, 01:24 AM
Even Bill Melton said on the postgame show that ESPN and other eastern seaboard outlets would prevent Dye from winning MVP.

Just like they did with Frank Thomas? <- Teal

WhiteSox1983
08-25-2006, 02:59 AM
dude at my work today, tried telling me David Wright is more of a mvp candidate than Dye.... i was shocked. :rolleyes:

IlliniSox4Life
08-25-2006, 03:39 AM
Also, an interesting note is that Dye has had almost 50 less AB than Ortiz. And considering that DH's can usually play more AB because they need less rest to stay fresh, and that Dye, with the same number of at bats as Ortiz would be projected to have >41 HR and >110RBI, which is that much closer to Ortiz in numbers, I think Dye deserves it hands down.

Let's just hope somehow he becomes the "trendy" candidate to vote for.

MiamiSpartan
08-25-2006, 07:20 AM
Well of course he won't get it...He doesn't have "Boston" or "New York" on his uniform.....:rolleyes:

34 Inch Stick
08-25-2006, 08:55 AM
When you begin to see cases made in east coast newspapers for why Dye is not worthy of MVP, then you will know he is a serious contender.

Fake Chet Lemon
08-25-2006, 08:55 AM
If Dye continues to go ape-crap with Thome out and Boston slides out of the playoff race, it's Dye's MVP to lose (assuming we make the playoffs which we will).

MrRoboto83
08-25-2006, 08:55 AM
Also, an interesting note is that Dye has had almost 50 less AB than Ortiz. And considering that DH's can usually play more AB because they need less rest to stay fresh, and that Dye, with the same number of at bats as Ortiz would be projected to have >41 HR and >110RBI, which is that much closer to Ortiz in numbers, I think Dye deserves it hands down.

Let's just hope somehow he becomes the "trendy" candidate to vote for.

If Boston continues to slide out of playoff contention, I think Dye would be even more considered for MVP.

D. TODD
08-25-2006, 09:55 AM
It's funny, I was having a debate with a friend last weekend on how JD deserves serious consideration for MVP. He disagreed, but now it seems like the media has jumped on the bandwagon for JD, so he is at least getting serious consideration. With a strong Sept. he will have a great shot at it.

That would be a hell of a daily double. World series MVP & and league MVP back to back. Hell, why stop there BACK TO BACK World Series MVP's

Beautox
08-25-2006, 10:01 AM
i like the way you think, on SC they were talking Dye up as an MVP contender. :bandance:

ode to veeck
08-25-2006, 10:06 AM
Manny also has to be considered a front runner. Ortiz has Manny in front of him and Manny still is hitting even higher BA than Jermaine with similar HR/RBIs

As far a team MVPs go, Frank Thomas is really the run generator for the A's who have the weakest offense headed to a playoff spot at the moment. Yeah, other DHs have better numbers overall, but Frank's proportion of A's run generation surpases the other DHs around the AL.

Gavin
08-25-2006, 10:08 AM
I am getting the feeling that "Ortiz is due" for the MVP this year, which is absolutely awful. He's a guy who swings hard, and has a lot of success swinging hard. Beyond that though, he's nothing.

digdagdug23
08-25-2006, 10:40 AM
I was watching BBTN and SC and have to say, even if Baby J does not get the award (and he certainly deserves it) I am heartened to see they are at least taking notice of him in the mainstream media, and he gets some props for the oustanding season he is having this year, as well as last. Cut it however you want, but to be mentioned with Ortiz, Jeter, and the likes is an honor, especially being here in flyover country, and not playing for the 'other' Chicago team. We all know how good this guy is, and if he does not get it, we all know why.

spiffie
08-25-2006, 10:52 AM
Just like they did with Frank Thomas? <- Teal
You have to remember though, its only in the last 5 or so years that ESPN really went to the all Red Sox/Yankees, all the time sensibility. Back in the mid 90's they were more equitable about their coverage because those two teams were really just two other teams. It was only when they started to go nuts and outspend everyone, and they met the two straight years in the ALCS that the coverage of their rivalry went into overdrive.

the gooch
08-25-2006, 11:06 AM
the writers vote, right? there could be enough of a NY/Boston backlash to get someone else in there. Biggest obstacle is Jeter, because he is the best Yankee this year, while Manny and Ortiz could split.

digdagdug23
08-25-2006, 11:08 AM
the writers vote, right? there could be enough of a NY/Boston backlash to get someone else in there. Biggest obstacle is Jeter, because he is the best Yankee this year, while Manny and Ortiz could split.

Okay, maybe I misunderstood, but isn't it 2 votes per state? I know this may not be correct, but IIRC I heard something to this effect, and fairly recently. Anyone have the answer?

Madvora
08-25-2006, 11:16 AM
Here's a comparison of the three big time AL guys.
Very close. Looks like it will come down to team performance to decide this.




Jermaine Dye, Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/240/jd1wy9.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5290/mr1hr3.jpg
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/2325/do1wz6.jpg


Jermaine Dye, Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/134/jd2up8.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8190/mr2ma8.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1695/do2gf8.jpg

EDIT - corrected Ortiz's stats

DaleJRFan
08-25-2006, 11:18 AM
dude at my work today, tried telling me David Wright is more of a mvp candidate than Dye.... i was shocked. :rolleyes:

David Wright has sucked since the allstar break. That home run derby sure is a swing killer. Thankfully, Dye is still raking.

And as for Big Papi hitting a bunch of walk off shots... what good have they done for his team?? Is his team in first place? Is his team leading the wildcard? Is his team even in second for the wildcard? No, no and no.

Dye is the MVP.

southside rocks
08-25-2006, 11:23 AM
Jermaine Dye, Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/240/jd1wy9.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5290/mr1hr3.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1217/do1uc7.jpg


Um-- Manny and Ortiz have identical stats there. I don't think that's right ... is it?

spiffie
08-25-2006, 11:24 AM
David Wright has sucked since the allstar break. That home run derby sure is a swing killer. Thankfully, Dye is still raking.

And as for Big Papi hitting a bunch of walk off shots... what good have they done for his team?? Is his team in first place? Is his team leading the wildcard? Is his team even in second for the wildcard? No, no and no.

Dye is the MVP.
Wright may be more of a candidate simply because the NL sucks so bad that outside of Pujols its hard to think of anyone who deserves it. So yeah, you could make a case that Wright, as a major cog for a top team deserves it. As opposed to the AL where you have Ortiz, Manny, Thome, Dye, Jeter, Wells, Santana, etc.

If Dye was doing this in the NL its a two man race between he and Pujols.

0o0o0
08-25-2006, 11:32 AM
Here's a comparison of the three big time AL guys.

Unfortunately, I think Morneau needs to be thrown in the mix as well.

Madvora
08-25-2006, 11:38 AM
Um-- Manny and Ortiz have identical stats there. I don't think that's right ... is it?
Whoops, updated below



Jermaine Dye, Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/240/jd1wy9.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5290/mr1hr3.jpg
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/2325/do1wz6.jpg


Jermaine Dye, Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/134/jd2up8.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8190/mr2ma8.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1695/do2gf8.jpg

Jaffar
08-25-2006, 11:38 AM
The NL MVP is going to be between Ryan Howard and Pujols. Dye should get serious consideration and he is getting an MVP song on Mike & Mike which they pick MVp's based on the songs. Kind of stupid but will help get him exposure, especially if his song is any good.

hold2dibber
08-25-2006, 11:43 AM
I don't understand why everyone is so convinced that the MVP will be from Boston or NY. Since 1980, only 4 AL MVPs have come from one of those two teams (http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/mvp_cya.shtml). If JD keeps it up and the White Sox make the playoffs and the BoSox don't, JD will do better than either of the Red Sox guys in the voting.

Palehose13
08-25-2006, 11:57 AM
What is with calling Dye "Baby J"?

DaleJRFan
08-25-2006, 12:02 PM
What is with calling Dye "Baby J"?

After Dye's RBI single in game 4 of the world series, game mics caught Raines calling him Baby J...

"That'away baby J, that'away..."

Palehose13
08-25-2006, 12:11 PM
After Dye's RBI single in game 4 of the world series, game mics caught Raines calling him Baby J...

"That'away baby J, that'away..."

Yuck.

JB98
08-25-2006, 01:41 PM
Unfortunately, I think Morneau needs to be thrown in the mix as well.

I agree. Quite a few people think this is between Ortiz and Jeter. To me, JD is the MVP, and Morneau is second.

Another thing working against JD: There's a national perception that Thome is the driving force behind our offense. Certainly, Jim has had a great season. But as all day-to-day Sox fans know, JD is our most consistent hitter and as good as anybody in the clutch.

Thome deserves Comeback Player of the Year. JD should get the MVP.

ode to veeck
08-25-2006, 01:47 PM
Here's a comparison of the three big time AL guys.
Very close. Looks like it will come down to team performance to decide this.




Jermaine Dye, Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/240/jd1wy9.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5290/mr1hr3.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1217/do1uc7.jpg


Jermaine Dye, Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/134/jd2up8.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8190/mr2ma8.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1695/do2gf8.jpg

huh?

don't know how this posted twice, see below

ode to veeck
08-25-2006, 01:48 PM
Here's a comparison of the three big time AL guys.
Very close. Looks like it will come down to team performance to decide this.




Jermaine Dye, Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/240/jd1wy9.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5290/mr1hr3.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1217/do1uc7.jpg


Jermaine Dye, Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/134/jd2up8.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8190/mr2ma8.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1695/do2gf8.jpg

David Ortiz's BA is only .287, but everything else is phenomenal

cbotnyse
08-25-2006, 02:04 PM
I support this thread.

salty99
08-25-2006, 02:17 PM
I hope JD wins, but I think the Sox definitely need to make the playoffs for this to have a chance.

ma-gaga
08-25-2006, 02:18 PM
I think it'll be between Dye and Morneau. Whomever's team makes the playoffs will get the award.

If Detroit is knocked out of the playoffs, then whomever's team wins the Division will win the award.

(*edited in the deep pink, it looks too damn light to be "deep"*)

thomas35forever
08-25-2006, 02:46 PM
After Dye's RBI single in game 4 of the world series, game mics caught Raines calling him Baby J...

"That'away baby J, that'away..."
It was actually in Game 3.

batmanZoSo
08-25-2006, 02:47 PM
Here's a comparison of the three big time AL guys.
Very close. Looks like it will come down to team performance to decide this.




Jermaine Dye, Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/240/jd1wy9.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5290/mr1hr3.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1217/do1uc7.jpg


Jermaine Dye, Manny Ramirez, David Ortiz
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/134/jd2up8.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/8190/mr2ma8.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1695/do2gf8.jpg

That's gotta be a mistake, unless Ramirez and Ortiz have the exact same numbers all around. I knew they were very similar hitters, but they can't be that similar. :o:

MrX
08-25-2006, 03:14 PM
#1 White Sox fan Rob Neyer was pimping Jeter and Mauer for the MVP in his chat.
He said JD's numbers don't stack up to the top group :rolling:

hold2dibber
08-25-2006, 03:17 PM
I think it'll be between Dye and Morneau. Whomever's team makes the playoffs will get the award.

If Detroit is knocked out of the playoffs, then whomever's team wins the Division will win the award.

(is that deep pink? it should be...)

When is MVP voting conducted? As we learned last year, executive of the year voting is before the end of the season (that's how KW got screwed). Not sure about MVP. And this is deeppink (I think you used brown).

hold2dibber
08-25-2006, 03:20 PM
#1 White Sox fan Rob Neyer was pimping Jeter and Mauer for the MVP in his chat.
He said JD's numbers don't stack up to the top group :rolling:

Huh? He's top 10 in all of the primary offensive categories (BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, HR, RBI) (actually, he's in the top 6 in all those categories except OBP, where he's 10th). He's basically in a statistical dead heat with Ortiz and Ramirez. I haven't looked at Jeter, Morneau or Mauer, but I find it highly unlikely that any of them have numbers that are any better than JD's.

MrX
08-25-2006, 03:31 PM
A Sox fan asked him later in the chat if he actually watches the games

Madvora
08-25-2006, 03:47 PM
That's gotta be a mistake, unless Ramirez and Ortiz have the exact same numbers all around. I knew they were very similar hitters, but they can't be that similar. :o:
Yeah, the correction was posted below that. I put MR's stats on their twice by accident.
I went back and corrected the original post.

ma-gaga
08-25-2006, 04:03 PM
I haven't looked at Jeter, Morneau or Mauer, but I find it highly unlikely that any of them have numbers that are any better than JD's.

The arguments for Jeter and Mauer are defense based. And that's both for the statistical crowd as well as the stat resistant crowd. There's more value placed on the up the middle guys for defense alone.

I don't know if it's enough to offset a difference of 20 something homeruns, but it might be. The people that vote on these awards also tend to award the Cy Young award to the pitcher with the most "Wins".

:gulp:

slobes
08-25-2006, 04:34 PM
After Dye's RBI single in game 4 of the world series, game mics caught Raines calling him Baby J...

"That'away baby J, that'away..."

Raines sounded like a giddy little school when he was saying that.

A couple of weeks ago I was thinking that maybe Ortiz deserved MVP more due to how often he came up in the clutch, but JD is just ridiculously awesome. His numbers are fantastic. If (White) Sox make the playoffs and Red Sox don't Dye's gotta be the one that gets it.

miker
08-25-2006, 04:49 PM
Dye will be slighted for the 2006 MVP for one of the same reasons Kenny Williams was denied 2005 Executive of the Year -- he's a member of the Chicago White Sox! :angry:

chisoxfanatic
08-25-2006, 05:08 PM
If it weren't for JD, we'd have 15 or so less victories than we do right now. He is the straw that stirs the entire drink! Pitchers fear him the most, and he comes through the most. And, he seems to pick it up especially when we REALLY need it.

IronFisk
08-25-2006, 05:16 PM
He's got my unbiased vote :redneck

StatHead21
08-25-2006, 05:39 PM
I know everyone knows this, but Jermaine Dye deserves to be the AL MVP this year, hands down. If he doesn't get it, the world ain't right.

Not hands down, but as of now he deserves it more than Ortiz and Jeter.