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BeviBall!
08-24-2006, 03:15 PM
Garland... you're amazing!

Goose
08-24-2006, 03:16 PM
Thank you, Jon...THANK YOU!

MarySwiss
08-24-2006, 03:16 PM
I cannot wait to see the replay of that 5-7-3 putout. Ovah and ovah!

NoShoesJoe
08-24-2006, 03:16 PM
:winner:

Awesome game by EVERYONE.

Garland, Dye, Pablo, etc, etc.

4th Gen. Sox Fan
08-24-2006, 03:17 PM
Another fantastic job by Jon today, great to see JD pound the ball today, great job by the O to pick up the slack without Jim in the lineup, now lets extend our lead in the wild card

cheezheadsoxfan
08-24-2006, 03:17 PM
What a great game by all. Garland is our real big game pitcher.

GO SOX:bandance: :supernana: :gulp:

monkeypants
08-24-2006, 03:17 PM
"Mmmmm, complete game shutout. guuurgle."

http://www.theologicallycorrect.com/images/homer_drooling1.gif

Deuce
08-24-2006, 03:17 PM
http://ww.presidentialprayerteam.org/images/rogers20.jpg

"Can you say "boo-yah," boys and girls? I bet you can."

CHISOXFAN13
08-24-2006, 03:17 PM
Good luck to the mods who must pick the winner in the PTC today!!

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I look forward to Jon Garland starting game one of the ALDS, whereever it is.

Frater Perdurabo
08-24-2006, 03:18 PM
The Sox needed a laugher to end this series on a high note after salvaging a split against the team with the best record in the AL. All in all, we can't be dissatisfied with the result. Now, let's come home and put the Twins out of their misery.

IlliniSox4Life
08-24-2006, 03:18 PM
Jon, JD, and the Defense all had big games today. That's what I like to see!

CaptainBallz
08-24-2006, 03:18 PM
Thanks for showing up to the series, Sox.

Better late than never...:gulp:

That's a winner and let's keep it rolling against the Twinks.

We owe them..BIG TIME....:bandance:

CHISOXFAN13
08-24-2006, 03:19 PM
The Sox needed a laugher to end this series on a high note after salvaging a split against the team with the best record in the AL. All in all, we can't be dissatisfied with the result. Now, let's come home and put the Twins out of their misery.

The doubt has now returned to the Tigers clubhouse. This division race is far from OVAHHHHHHHH.

digdagdug23
08-24-2006, 03:19 PM
Blue skies
Smiling on me
No More Dark Clouds
Do I see
White Sox Singing a song
Nothing but victories
From now on.

That sure was a fun game......GO SOX!!!

MsSoxVixen22
08-24-2006, 03:19 PM
Great game by Garland! What an outing! JD is just sick! Way to go Juany, Pablo and BA!! Now it's time to payback the Twinks! :bandance: :)

slobes
08-24-2006, 03:20 PM
What a game!! Unfortunately I had school and couldn't see a single pitch of it, but what a game.

nebraskasox
08-24-2006, 03:20 PM
Jon 15-4 now. MERCY!

Britt Burns
08-24-2006, 03:21 PM
Up/down/up/down...Great game, now let's REPEAT IT again tomorrow (and Saturday, and Sunday...)

Hitmen77
08-24-2006, 03:21 PM
If the Sox and Tigers both make the playoffs, I'm pulling for Detroit to win their ALDS. On the whole, we play them so well this year and I like our chances in a playoff matchup.

ChiSoxGirl
08-24-2006, 03:21 PM
:hawk
"I luuuv complete game shutouts!" :bandance:
"Garland... YES!" :bandance:

MadetoOrta
08-24-2006, 03:22 PM
It wasn't so long ago many here laughed at me when I reminded them that when we obtained Jon the comparison was a young Kevin Brown. 18 wins last season followed up by ___ wins this season. He's young and best of all ....................... UNDER CONTRACT!!!!:bandance:

Hitmen77
08-24-2006, 03:23 PM
Jon 15-4 now. MERCY!

Can some of Garland's pitching please, please, please rub off on Contreras and Buehrle? We need you guys!

Dan Mega
08-24-2006, 03:23 PM
Awesome game. Carry it over to the weekend.

credefan24
08-24-2006, 03:24 PM
Way to go Jon.
Now lets see Javy have another 13 strike out game.. PLEASE :)

aryzner
08-24-2006, 03:25 PM
Okay I know it's been said but I just have to say it again: Jermaine Dye is SICK. That man is RIDICULOUS lately.

Of course, he's been great all season but good lord is he hot right now.

NoShoesJoe
08-24-2006, 03:26 PM
Okay I know it's been said but I just have to say it again: Jermaine Dye is SICK. That man is RIDICULOUS lately.

Of course, he's been great all season but good lord is he hot right now.

Just three letters...MVP

BadBobbyJenks
08-24-2006, 03:27 PM
Best Game of the year by far. Everything was right today. Timely hitting, I believe all 10 runs were after 2 outs. Great Defense, Juany and BA and why not throw in the first and last 5-7-3 put out ever in with em. Of course great pitching with a Garland gem.


Im a big believer in momentum and we have it all leaving detroit. 2/3 from the twins at least!

IlliniSox4Life
08-24-2006, 03:27 PM
Jon is carrying the pitching staff right now, and Jermaine is carrying the offense. Great to see two guys step up and compete.

Baby Fisk
08-24-2006, 03:27 PM
http://www.newprophecy.net/Roy_Horn_of_Siegfried__Roy_holds_tiger_pals.jpg

First I was afraid
I was petrified.
Kept thinking ‘bout the cat that tore
A strip out of my hide
But I spent so many nights
Thinking that this was all wrong
I grew strong
I learned to root our White Sox on…

And so you’re back
You’re in first place
I went down to Comerica
To watch the pennant race
I should have known you would be tough
I should have known you’d bring your game
But what I saw these past two days
Is that you can indeed be tamed!

And so now, we’ve finished four
And the Palehose are as close to you
As they were before
But now we’ve proven something to you as we say goodbye
We will not crumble
We will not lay down and die…

Oh South Side!
We will survive!
As long as there’s a magic number
We are still alive.
We’ve got the arms and got the bats
And we will beat these ****ing cats
WE WILL SURVIVE!
WE WILL SURVIVE!

[*BOOGIE STRINGS AND TRUMPET SOLO*]

nebraskasox
08-24-2006, 03:27 PM
Okay I know it's been said but I just have to say it again: Jermaine Dye is SICK. That man is RIDICULOUS lately.

Of course, he's been great all season but good lord is he hot right now.

So hot that ESPN yesterday made a half hearted mention of JD as a remote MVP candidate. That's as good as the Sox will get on ESPN.

0o0o0
08-24-2006, 03:29 PM
Good pitching AND good hitting?! ****ing awesome. :bandance:

The offense must have been confused and thought someone other than Garland was pitching. :cool:

WhiteSox1983
08-24-2006, 03:31 PM
Yizurrrr!

aryzner
08-24-2006, 03:32 PM
Just three letters...MVP
Hell yeah.

JD is so hot right now that I am more or less shocked if he doesn't get on base.

gbergman
08-24-2006, 03:35 PM
Wish i could of watched, guess i will have to watch the replay on mlb.tv

MarySwiss
08-24-2006, 03:36 PM
http://www.newprophecy.net/Roy_Horn_of_Siegfried__Roy_holds_tiger_pals.jpg

First I was afraid
I was petrified.
Kept thinking ‘bout the cat that tore
A strip out of my hide
But I spent so many nights
Thinking that this was all wrong
I grew strong
I learned to root our White Sox on…

And so you’re back
You’re in first place
I went down to Comerica
To watch the pennant race
I should have known you would be tough
I should have known you’d bring your game
But what I saw these past two days
Is that you can indeed be tamed!

And so now, we’ve finished four
And the Palehose are as close to you
As they were before
But now we’ve proven something to you as we say goodbye
We will not crumble
We will not lay down and die…

Oh South Side!
We will survive!
As long as there’s a magic number
We are still alive.
We’ve got the arms and got the bats
And we will beat these ****ing cats
WE WILL SURVIVE!
WE WILL SURVIVE!

[*BOOGIE STRINGS AND TRUMPET SOLO*]

And you can play this on a sitar?

Norberto7
08-24-2006, 03:38 PM
From cnnsi.com's game recap:

"Over the last two seasons, Garland leads the AL with 33 wins."

Interesting...seems the extension was money well spent.

Rockin Robin
08-24-2006, 03:42 PM
Dye for AL MVP...no doubt in my mind after today

CYGarland20
08-24-2006, 03:43 PM
Jon is carrying the pitching staff right now, and Jermaine is carrying the offense. Great to see two guys step up and compete.Quote of the day!......I shudder to think where we'd be without those guys right now :o:

1951Campbell
08-24-2006, 03:51 PM
http://static.flickr.com/4/5249709_890a915117_t.jpg

Pwned.

DaleJRFan
08-24-2006, 04:01 PM
somewhere in North Carolina, Voodoo is singing about sunny blue skies....

balke
08-24-2006, 04:02 PM
Didn't the Sox take the season series v. Detroit with this win?

MushMouth
08-24-2006, 04:04 PM
JD = MVP!

:bandance:

buehrle4cy05
08-24-2006, 04:04 PM
The White Sox have not lost to the Tigers when my school is in session. Just a heads up for when the Sox sweep the Tigers in September.:cool:

Baby Fisk
08-24-2006, 04:04 PM
Didn't the Sox take the season series v. Detroit with this win?
Season series is now 11-5 Sox.

HotelWhiteSox
08-24-2006, 04:04 PM
That's some 05 ball right there

WSox597
08-24-2006, 04:05 PM
Oh South Side!
We will survive!
As long as there’s a magic number
We are still alive.
We’ve got the arms and got the bats
And we will beat these ****ing cats
WE WILL SURVIVE!
WE WILL SURVIVE!

Ha, ha, outstanding! Post of the week at least. :D:

Blob
08-24-2006, 04:05 PM
FOJG hold your head up high!!!!!!!!!!

Screw all the non-believers.

credefan24
08-24-2006, 04:07 PM
Ha, ha, outstanding! Post of the week at least. :D:

Fantastic!!!

I see my lyrical ways are catching on here! Way to go.

LETS GO SOX.

JB98
08-24-2006, 04:10 PM
The White Sox do not want it enough. KW or JR should address the fans and offer an apology. The customers are not happy, and the customer is always right. And, oh yeah, Judy Garland sucks!

AnkleSox
08-24-2006, 04:11 PM
Crede's so amazing with the glove that the runner automatically assumes he's out if the ball is hit anywhere near third base

Iwritecode
08-24-2006, 04:13 PM
Crede's so amazing with the glove that the runner automatically assumes he's out if the ball is hit anywhere near third base

POTW :cool:

LongLiveFisk
08-24-2006, 04:13 PM
Being stuck at work today I didn't get to watch the game but reading this thread gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling. This weekend we will sweep! :gulp:

TomBradley72
08-24-2006, 04:16 PM
Jon Garland (Post All-Star Break): 7-1, 2.73 ERA
(vs. Garcia: 5.16, Vazquez: 5.27, Contreras: 5.37, Buehrle:7.15)

Brian Anderson (Post All-Star Break) .293 B.A. (#4 on the team!)

SoxSpeed22
08-24-2006, 04:23 PM
That's how you carry the team JG.
Offense and defense were on today. pitch just like that in the next series.

batmanZoSo
08-24-2006, 04:47 PM
Man, Detroit had no intensity today. Totally flat. It's like they don't even care, just going through the motions because "we're so talented."

Blueprint1
08-24-2006, 04:47 PM
Jon 15-4 now. MERCY!

The two clowns on 670 B&B were calling this guy a .500 pitcher a few months ago. They really know what they are talking about.

Ol' No. 2
08-24-2006, 04:56 PM
The two clowns on 670 B&B were calling this guy a .500 pitcher a few months ago. They really know what they are talking about.So were many of the people here. A lot of them are the same ones who now want to get rid of Javy Vazquez.

GarlandFan21
08-24-2006, 04:58 PM
Can anyone explain to me why its called a "3-5-7" put out. i understand the play but not the numbers...:(: :redface:

Cuck the Fubs
08-24-2006, 05:01 PM
Where are all the Garland bashers these days?!?!?

Judy my a$$

maurice
08-24-2006, 05:01 PM
Brian Anderson (Post All-Star Break) .293 B.A. (#4 on the team!)

Anderson since 8/4: .306 AVE, 4 2B, 3B, HR, 8 R, 5 RBI with hits in 11 of 15 starts.
Nonetheless, Ozzie continues to bench him on a regular basis.
:rolleyes:

Ozzie, put down the crack pipe and leave the kid in CF.

ShoelessJoeS
08-24-2006, 05:02 PM
Would I be too late in saying that Garland is emerging as our staff ace?

Also, glad to see the offense show up for the second game in a row (even without our DH).

oh yea......DYE FOR MVP!

slavko
08-24-2006, 05:04 PM
It wasn't so long ago many here laughed at me when I reminded them that when we obtained Jon the comparison was a young Kevin Brown. 18 wins last season followed up by ___ wins this season. He's young and best of all ....................... UNDER CONTRACT!!!!:bandance:

Would you believe that when they got him, the Sox said that they were going to teach him the sinking fastball AND MAKE HIM INTO ANOTHER KEVIN BROWN??? Looks like it worked.

...and has anyone heard recently those stories about Jermaine's performance dropoff prior to coming here being due to prior steroid use? We can put that bushwa away for good.

Ol' No. 2
08-24-2006, 05:05 PM
Can anyone explain to me why its called a "3-5-7" put out. i understand the play but not the numbers...:(: :redface:That's a mistake. It should be 5-7-3.

1 P
2 C
3 1B
4 2B
5 3B
6 SS
7 LF
8 CF
9 RF

balke
08-24-2006, 05:05 PM
This staff is looking like its going to have 5 15-game winners by seasons end.

maurice
08-24-2006, 05:06 PM
Can anyone explain to me why its called a "3-5-7" put out.

Actually, it was a 5-7-3.

1 = P
2 = C
3 = 1B
4 = 2B
5 = 3B
6 = SS
7 = LF
8 = CF
9 = RF

The play went from Crede (3B) to Ozuna (LF) to Gload (1B), which is coded as "5-7-3."

Mohoney
08-24-2006, 05:09 PM
Jon Garland just might have single-handedly saved our season on this road trip. If we would have lost one (or both) of those games, we might have been toast.

Take 2 games minimum against the Twins and ENJOY THE DAY OFF MONDAY!

JB98
08-24-2006, 05:11 PM
So were many of the people here. A lot of them are the same ones who now want to get rid of Javy Vazquez.

Garland > Vazquez

Garland is 17 games over .500 in his career. Javy is a game under, and he has 60 more decisions in his career.

I'm a long-time FOJG, but I would also like to see Vazquez traded this offseason.

balke
08-24-2006, 05:15 PM
Garland > Vazquez

Garland is 17 games over .500 in his career. Javy is a game under, and he has 60 more decisions in his career.

I'm a long-time FOJG, but I would also like to see Vazquez traded this offseason.


I wish we would wait to the end of the season to come to that conclusion. The Sox are going to have their hands full as it is, Vazquez will be a great option compared to some of the options the Sox might go after in return. He's here, he's got 11 wins, and he's not doing much worse than the other pitchers on our staff presently. I am not his biggest supporter or welcomer, but I'm at least going to hope this guy turns it on in September. He's got a lively arm, and has shown sparks of good pitching being around the corner. We went through worse with Contreras, and patience paid off.

Ol' No. 2
08-24-2006, 05:16 PM
Garland > Vazquez

Garland is 17 games over .500 in his career. Javy is a game under, and he has 60 more decisions in his career.

I'm a long-time FOJG, but I would also like to see Vazquez traded this offseason.Vazquez also played for a lot crappier teams. Compare their lifetime ERA, WHIP and BAA and they're pretty similar. Jon started slow and has matured in the last two years. Javy started strong and has sputtered lately.

A lot of people wanted to give up on Jose Contreras, too, but it took a full year with the Sox before he turned it around. Vazquez hasn't looked any worse than Contreras did up until the middle of last year. I wouldn't be so quick to give up on him...too big of an upside.

maurice
08-24-2006, 05:18 PM
Compare their lifetime ERA, WHIP and BAA and they're pretty similar.

Are you adjusting for AL v. NL? Also, Garland is about 4 years younger and less expensive.

Coop's got a bit more time to turn Vazquez around before any decisions are made.

Garcia seems to think that he's the odd man out.

JB98
08-24-2006, 05:21 PM
Are you adjusting for AL v. NL?

Javy has just never thrown the ball well in the American League. He struggled with the Yankees, and he has struggled with the Sox.

Vazquez has the profile of a guy who always pitches just well enough to lose. In contrast, Garland seems to have learned a thing or two through the years, and that's why he is 33-14 since the start of the 2005 season.

If Vazquez ever puts together a stretch like that, I'll happily eat crow.

Ol' No. 2
08-24-2006, 05:22 PM
Are you adjusting for AL v. NL?Up until this year the adjustment wasn't that large - somewhere aroung 0.5 runs in ERA. Factor that in and Garland gets an edge, but 0.5 runs isn't what I'd call night and day.

tstrike2000
08-24-2006, 05:23 PM
Ok, we've been screwing around enough the last 6 weeks. Let's haul in this division down the stretch.

Ol' No. 2
08-24-2006, 05:25 PM
Javy has just never thrown the ball well in the American League. He struggled with the Yankees, and he has struggled with the Sox.

Vazquez has the profile of a guy who always pitches just well enough to lose. In contrast, Garland seems to have learned a thing or two through the years, and that's why he is 33-14 since the start of the 2005 season.

If Vazquez ever puts together a stretch like that, I'll happily eat crow.Vazquez pitched well enough for the Yankees to get selected for the All-Star team in 2004. That's not too shabby. He sort of fell apart in the second half, though and never seemed to recover.

100 Year Itch
08-24-2006, 05:25 PM
Yay, a much more entertaining game today considering the offense actually executed in the clutch.

Dye with the two out solo shot.

Uribe with the two out three run dinger.

Dye with the two out two run banger.

Konerko, Crede and AJ with the two out singles.

maurice
08-24-2006, 05:29 PM
If the AL/NL difference is 0.5, it's about 11 runs / 200 inning season.
If the AL/NL difference is 1.0, it's more like 22 runs / 200 inning season.

Significant, but not huge. OTOH, when you factor in that Garland is younger, cheaper, and improved over the past couple of years . . . .

Keep in mind that the AL/NL gap is wider for starters than for relievers, since a reliever is far more liklely to see a PH in the P's spot in the order.

- - -

Vazquez started great for the Yankees in 2004 and then fell apart.
Vazquez started great for US in 2006 and then fell apart. Hmm . . . .
(Edited to fix typo.)

JB98
08-24-2006, 05:31 PM
Vazquez pitched well enough for the Yankees to get selected for the All-Star team in 2004. That's not too shabby. He sort of fell apart in the second half, though and never seemed to recover.

And that's another factor in my wanting Vazquez gone. His career is trending downward, and it has been for a little over two years.

With Garland, he went through a two-month slump. Maybe it took his arm a little time to recover from the rigors of last season or whatever. But he's found his stuff again and is pitching up to his capabilities.

You could make the case that Vazquez is in a similar slump now, but I just think that when you look at his trends over the long haul they aren't very positive. I'm more optimistic that Freddy will right the ship and help us down the stretch than Vazquez. And that's saying something because I'm not a huge Garcia fan by any means.

Foulke You
08-24-2006, 05:31 PM
Y'know, I got to thinking today that this series could be similar to what happened in the Central in 2003. The Sox had a pretty nice lead in the AL Central (not quite as large as Detroit's I'll grant you) and we had the 2nd place Twins on the ropes after taking the first 2 at home in commanding fashion only to let up and allow the Twins to take the next 2 at home and we lost all momentum after that. I still remember the headline on the Sun Times after we crushed Minnesota in Game 1, it said "Scare Tactics". The 2nd game we won pretty convincingly until the end which was the infamous "Paniagua Game". The Twins didn't panic and ended up overtaking us by the end of the month at the Metrodome.

Flash forward to 2006 and maybe we'll be talking about this series as a momentum shifter. The Tigers had us on the ropes and opened up a 7.5 game lead only to let us back in by dropping the final 2 at home.

The pitching simply has to show up though. No more letdowns from Javy!

JB98
08-24-2006, 05:33 PM
Y'know, I got to thinking today that this series could be similar to what happened in the Central in 2003. The Sox had a pretty nice lead in the AL Central (not quite as large as Detroit's I'll grant you) and we had the 2nd place Twins on the ropes after taking the first 2 at home in commanding fashion only to let up and allow the Twins to take the next 2 at home and we lost all momentum after that. I still remember the headline on the Sun Times after we crushed Minnesota in Game 1, it said "Scare Tactics". The 2nd game we won pretty convincingly until the end which was the infamous "Paniagua Game". The Twins didn't panic and ended up overtaking us by the end of the month at the Metrodome.

Flash forward to 2006 and maybe we'll be talking about this series as a momentum shifter. The Tigers had us on the ropes and opened up a 7.5 game lead only to let us back in by dropping the final 2 at home.

The pitching simply has to show up though. No more letdowns from Javy!

That thought crossed my mind during the late innings of today's game as well. Good post.

StillMissOzzie
08-24-2006, 05:40 PM
Lost in this power barrage butt-kicking is that 9 of those 10 runs came with two outs. Only Ozuna's RBI hit to score Anderson after his 3B hit was with one out.

That is some demoralizing CLUTCH hitting for the Kitties to stew on as they head into New York.

Great job out there, Jon!

SMO
:gulp:

Ol' No. 2
08-24-2006, 05:48 PM
If the AL/NL difference is 0.5, it's about 11 runs / 200 inning season.
If the AL/NL difference is 1.0, it's more like 22 runs / 200 inning season.

Significant, but not huge. OTOH, when you factor in that Garland is younger, cheaper, and improved over the past couple of years . . . .

Keep in mind that the AL/NL gap is wider for starters than for relievers, since a reliever is far more liklely to see a PH in the P's spot in the order.

- - -

Vazquez started great for the Yankees in 2004 and then fell apart.
Vazquez started great for US in 2006 and then fell apart. Hmm . . . .
(Edited to fix typo.)Garland gets a raise next year, so when you factor in the $3M of Vazquez' 2007 salary paid by the D-backs, he's actually $0.5M cheaper than Garland next year. But in any case, the cost difference is not enough to be a big factor.

It's a classic case of a guy who's better now vs. a guy who's struggling, but seems to have a tremendous upside. I wouldn't be that quick to give up on him. Given a choice between trading Garcia and Vazquez, I'd keep Javy. And given the price of pitching, replacing him with someone better in the off-season without breaking the bank wouldn't be that easy.

TomBradley72
08-24-2006, 06:05 PM
Y'know, I got to thinking today that this series could be similar to what happened in the Central in 2003. The Sox had a pretty nice lead in the AL Central (not quite as large as Detroit's I'll grant you) and we had the 2nd place Twins on the ropes after taking the first 2 at home in commanding fashion only to let up and allow the Twins to take the next 2 at home and we lost all momentum after that. I still remember the headline on the Sun Times after we crushed Minnesota in Game 1, it said "Scare Tactics". The 2nd game we won pretty convincingly until the end which was the infamous "Paniagua Game". The Twins didn't panic and ended up overtaking us by the end of the month at the Metrodome.


Great post. I remember watching that game with a buddy in a bar...and even though the WSox won the "Paniagua" game you could feel a complete momentum shift. Maybe the "Casey Getting Thrown Out by the LF" game will have the same effect! :gulp:

Zisk77
08-24-2006, 06:23 PM
Good thing Jon no longer has a no-trade clause after this year. Maybe we could get Jason Schmidt if we package a few prospects like Fields & Sweeney. :redneck

hawkjt
08-24-2006, 06:37 PM
At the end of april fans were loving we had locked up Jose and regretting the garland deal. Now? I still like Jose being locked up and very pleased that Jon will be an anchor on the staff for years to come.

Today- got the defense behind Jon today- Juanie,BA-spectacular catch, Ross-nice dive, and Pablo's head's up play. Very nice.

BA and Pablo gave much needed offense without jimbo in the lineup. Juanie's three run dinger was fairly incredible- hitting that pitch? only Juan.

JD- holy moly -this guy is blessed with strength to go to right like that.

PK- big two out two rbi hit. His power stroke is gone right now but he keeps getting hits.

I think Pablo is definitely back to his April form. We need him out in left against all leftys and maybe even an occasional righty. Mack also. Work Pods in against righthanders only until he shows a return of his stroke, which could be soon-I liked his last ab on Wed.

Now, Radke is on deck. We can beat him if we are paitient.

Rev it up, boys.

TheOldRoman
08-24-2006, 06:40 PM
This staff is looking like its going to have 5 15-game winners by seasons end.
Well, I predicted that in the preseason predictions thread. However, I am not so sure. Buehrle is a longshot at 10 wins (considering the way he has pitched lately). Contreras should come around, but at 11 wins him and Javy both have a ways to go, also.

KyWhiSoxFan
08-24-2006, 06:43 PM
Lost in this power barrage butt-kicking is that 9 of those 10 runs came with two outs. Only Ozuna's RBI hit to score Anderson after his 3B hit was with one out.

That is some demoralizing CLUTCH hitting for the Kitties to stew on as they head into New York.

Detroit actually goes to Cleveland first, then NY.

Still, a 10-0 whooping will not make them feel very good wherever they are. In fact, they have lost 11 of their last 16 games. Going on the road would not seem to be the best thing for them right now, especially playing against a couple of teams that can mash the ball.

thomas35forever
08-24-2006, 07:12 PM
Way to go boys. We showed we're still not out of the AL Central race. Now we must build on our lead against the Twinkies.

SOecks
08-24-2006, 08:12 PM
Great job by Jon and Dye today, but why hasn't anyone mentioned the INCREDIBLE diving catch by Brian Anderson today. Great job all around. Keep it going for the Twins now. Gload is my pick to click for the Twins' series. You heard it here first.

maurice
08-24-2006, 08:57 PM
It's a classic case of a guy who's better now vs. a guy who's struggling, but seems to have a tremendous upside.

At age 26, Garland can get better too. Imagine if he put together 2 good halves in a single season. He'd win almost 30 games!
:o:

Then again, we used to say that about James Baldwin.
:redface:

Given a choice between trading Garcia and Vazquez, I'd keep Javy.

That appears to be the plan. They're both enigmas. Vazquez and Garcia are both 30 years old, but Vazquez pitches like he's 25 and Garcia pitches like he's 35. Some times it seems like Vazquez can't throw strikes, but his "stuff" is there. Theoretically, that makes him similar to Coop's other reclamation projects. OTOH, some times it seems like Garcia doesn't want to throw strikes to certain batters and isn't motivated to reach back and throw his best stuff. I don't think you can "fix" that.

wassagstdu
08-24-2006, 09:23 PM
That's a mistake. It should be 5-7-3.

1 P
2 C
3 1B
4 2B
5 3B
6 SS
7 LF
8 CF
9 RF I finally found the play on MLB.com. That was just a tremendous play by Pablo Ozuna! That is the kind of play that is going to win this thing for the Sox. "Win or die trying." Nobody will beat the Sox if they make plays like that. A mental great play.

And game for game, Pablo Ozuna might be a candidate for MVP, giving some allowance for the time he spent with a hamstring or whatever it was. Actually the whole bench has been just great this year, consistently, or at least frequently, outplaying the regulars. And fun to watch -- unlike some of the regulars some of the time.

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Brian26
08-24-2006, 09:47 PM
What is scary is that a huge blow out win...maybe the biggest game of the season so far....and only 89 replies in this thread seven hours after the game. There have been tough losses that have garned 100 posts in the first 30 minutes after a game. :?:

CaptainBallz
08-24-2006, 10:05 PM
What is scary is that a huge blow out win...maybe the biggest game of the season so far....and only 89 replies in this thread seven hours after the game. There have been tough losses that have garned 100 posts in the first 30 minutes after a game. :?:

I think most learned not to get too excited too quickly after what transpired since the Detroit sweep.

Cautious optimism is where it's at.

whitesoxfan
08-24-2006, 10:07 PM
What is scary is that a huge blow out win...maybe the biggest game of the season so far....and only 89 replies in this thread seven hours after the game. There have been tough losses that have garned 100 posts in the first 30 minutes after a game. :?:

I've stayed away from the postgame threads lately, win or lose.

Great win today, great way to come back home. Let's take 2 of 3 from the Twinkies now :bandance:

PeteWard
08-24-2006, 10:20 PM
What is scary is that a huge blow out win...maybe the biggest game of the season so far....and only 89 replies in this thread seven hours after the game. There have been tough losses that have garned 100 posts in the first 30 minutes after a game. :?:

Weekday day games tend to get less posts. But you do have a point.

I said yesterday that if the Sox lost today I would focus on the WC. Now they are back in it but definitely have to take this next series. I am hoping for 5 of the next 6 which I think woud cut the Tigers lead to 3 1/2.:bandance:

PeteWard
08-24-2006, 10:23 PM
Just saw Gload's gem. Wow!

fusillirob1983
08-24-2006, 10:26 PM
I've spent the last several hours of the day working on stuff for my Sox fan club at school, so I wasn't on the internet, not that I post too often anyway.

Chips
08-24-2006, 10:31 PM
I just got home from the game a little while ago. It was an excellent game. Last night's game was great as well. Hopefully Vazquez and the Sox can down the Twinkies tomorrow night.

SoxandtheCityTee
08-24-2006, 10:36 PM
Nice job by the traveling team, Chips. Taking both games you guys attended to pick up the split. Much appreciated.

The Dude
08-24-2006, 11:03 PM
Very good game today and yesterday was as well! Detroit, the city, isn't as bad as I thought it was. The ballpark was beautiful and had a lot to see throughout. The fans at Comerica were also very respectful and knowledgable as well :thumbsup:

We needed to pick up the O without big Jim today and we sure did just that. Hopefully we can carry over this momentum and win this series with the Twinkies.

robiwho
08-24-2006, 11:04 PM
Nice job by the traveling team, Chips. Taking both games you guys attended to pick up the split. Much appreciated.

It probably was our presence that made them refocus and win! :cool:

It was an awesome roadtrip -- we even paid a return visit to the Arcade.

After Tuesday's game, I was really not looking forward to going to Comerica. I had the worst feeling that we'd be walking out of the stadium today after a sweep. I'm so glad the Sox proved me wrong. :bandance:

ChiSoxGirl
08-24-2006, 11:10 PM
It was an awesome roadtrip -- we even paid a return visit to the Arcade.

The Arcade? :thud::tongue: Was the bartender who's missing teeth there again? :redneck

Chips
08-24-2006, 11:11 PM
The Arcade? :thud::tongue: Was the bartender who's missing teeth there again? :redneck

We closed it down.

robiwho
08-24-2006, 11:16 PM
The Arcade? :thud::tongue: Was the bartender who's missing teeth there again? :redneck

Diane. She's really quite sweet.

It was a good night. Be sure to ask The Dude about it. :gulp:

ChiSoxGirl
08-24-2006, 11:18 PM
Diane. She's really quite sweet.

It was a good night. Be sure to ask The Dude about it. :gulp:

I guess the bigger question, rather than the bartender one, is if the "non-existent secret of the Arcade" was revealed to the others in the group.... As we know, pictures didn't do it justice. :redneck

robiwho
08-24-2006, 11:20 PM
I guess the bigger question, rather than the bartender one, is if the "non-existent secret of the Arcade" was revealed to the others in the group.... As we know, pictures didn't do it justice. :redneck

Oh yeah, everyone had to get the tour. :redneck

Diane asked where my other friends were!

ChiSoxGirl
08-24-2006, 11:22 PM
Oh yeah, everyone had to get the tour. :redneck

Diane asked where my other friends were!

And their reaction...?

How nice of Diane to remember you and your other friends from a month ago! The Arcade must not get too many patrons! Either that, or we stood out with our Sox gear on.

Frankfan4life
08-25-2006, 01:10 AM
I was thinking that now other teams are hoping they won't have to face Garland in their series with the Sox. That is so awesome!

Ol' No. 2
08-25-2006, 11:56 AM
At age 26, Garland can get better too. Imagine if he put together 2 good halves in a single season. He'd win almost 30 games!
:o:

Then again, we used to say that about James Baldwin.
:redface:



That appears to be the plan. They're both enigmas. Vazquez and Garcia are both 30 years old, but Vazquez pitches like he's 25 and Garcia pitches like he's 35. Some times it seems like Vazquez can't throw strikes, but his "stuff" is there. Theoretically, that makes him similar to Coop's other reclamation projects. OTOH, some times it seems like Garcia doesn't want to throw strikes to certain batters and isn't motivated to reach back and throw his best stuff. I don't think you can "fix" that.No question, if you had to pick which of those three you'd keep, Garland would be at the top of the list. He may not win any Cy Youngs, but he'll be a solid 15+ game winner every year, and those don't grow on trees.

Garcia and Vazquez both have to be driving Cooper nuts, but that's what he gets paid for. Given a choice, I say pick the guy with better stuff, and that's Vazquez.

KyWhiSoxFan
08-25-2006, 01:13 PM
Garcia and Vazquez both have to be driving Cooper nuts, but that's what he gets paid for. Given a choice, I say pick the guy with better stuff, and that's Vazquez.

Vazquez will be kept for one simple reason: Chris Young. You give up on Vazquez and it is admitting it was a terrible trade: Losing McCarthy as a starter for a year (give him 9 runs a game as a starter like Vazquez has had and he would have a better record than Vazquez), Vizcaino in relief; El Duque in long relief or as a starter, plus Young. Garcia is as good as gone in the this winter unless someone makes an unbelievable offer for Buerhle.

Flight #24
08-25-2006, 01:56 PM
Vazquez will be kept for one simple reason: Chris Young. You give up on Vazquez and it is admitting it was a terrible trade: Losing McCarthy as a starter for a year (give him 9 runs a game as a starter like Vazquez has had and he would have a better record than Vazquez), Vizcaino in relief; El Duque in long relief or as a starter, plus Young. Garcia is as good as gone in the this winter unless someone makes an unbelievable offer for Buerhle.

IMO Vazquez is kept for another reason: he's under control for another year to the Sox. Because he demanded a trade, IIRC the Sox get arb rights to him when his contract's up. So KW can keep him on a 1-year deal for 2008 if he so desires, whereas Freddy's an FA.

Although if Freddy's velocity's back up (as he claimed after Wed's game), that could play a role in the decision - assuming he performs the rest of '06 more like '05.

Ol' No. 2
08-25-2006, 02:01 PM
IMO Vazquez is kept for another reason: he's under control for another year to the Sox. Because he demanded a trade, IIRC the Sox get arb rights to him when his contract's up. So KW can keep him on a 1-year deal for 2008 if he so desires, whereas Freddy's an FA.

Although if Freddy's velocity's back up (as he claimed after Wed's game), that could play a role in the decision - assuming he performs the rest of '06 more like '05.Make no mistake about it. With a little over a month to go, Kenny is going to be watching both these guys very carefully. THEN he'll make a decision, and it won't have anything to do with Chris Young.

TheOldRoman
08-25-2006, 02:18 PM
Vazquez will be kept for one simple reason: Chris Young. You give up on Vazquez and it is admitting it was a terrible trade: Losing McCarthy as a starter for a year (give him 9 runs a game as a starter like Vazquez has had and he would have a better record than Vazquez), Vizcaino in relief; El Duque in long relief or as a starter, plus Young. Garcia is as good as gone in the this winter unless someone makes an unbelievable offer for Buerhle. :rolleyes:Why do I even bother?

Vazquez has not won any games with 9-8. Of all his wins, only three of them were not quality starts. With the quality starts, he would have won those games whether the offense scored 4 or 14. The most runs he allowed in a win was 5, and that happened once.

Mohoney
08-25-2006, 03:22 PM
:rolleyes:Why do I even bother?

Vazquez has not won any games with 9-8. Of all his wins, only three of them were not quality starts. With the quality starts, he would have won those games whether the offense scored 4 or 14. The most runs he allowed in a win was 5, and that happened once.

I think what he meant was that he would like to see what McCarthy would have done if he started all year and got 8.13 runs of support per game (this was Vazquez's run support going into last Sunday, tops in the majors).

I didn't think he was implying that Vazquez has a lot of garbage wins (although he might have been implying that, I just didn't think so) so much as asserting his belief that, with that kind of run support, McCarthy would have a better record.

MisterB
08-25-2006, 05:05 PM
I think what he meant was that he would like to see what McCarthy would have done if he started all year and got 8.13 runs of support per game (this was Vazquez's run support going into last Sunday, tops in the majors).

I didn't think he was implying that Vazquez has a lot of garbage wins (although he might have been implying that, I just didn't think so) so much as asserting his belief that, with that kind of run support, McCarthy would have a better record.

Keep in mind that the 'run support' stat is figured per 9 innings pitched (like ERA), not by game. So JV's 7.93 runs of support equates to about 5 runs during the 6 innings (on average) he pitches per start, not that the Sox are scoring 8 runs every time he pitches.

KyWhiSoxFan
08-25-2006, 06:57 PM
Keep in mind that the 'run support' stat is figured per 9 innings pitched (like ERA), not by game. So JV's 7.93 runs of support equates to about 5 runs during the 6 innings (on average) he pitches per start, not that the Sox are scoring 8 runs every time he pitches.

To clarify my point, yes, if McCarthy were getting the same run support that Vazquez has had, I think McCarthy would have done well as the fifth starter and would have won just as many or more games than Vazquez. Five runs in six innings is a lot of runs to work with. I would have loved to have been able to see McCarthy as a starter.

I still recall what McCarthy said when he heard of the Vazquez trade: He threw up. I know how he feels.