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MarySwiss
08-23-2006, 03:48 PM
I wasn't sure if this belonged here or in WTS, but since it's purely about the Sox....

For the past few days, I've been thinking about which bothered me more--last year, when we had that big lead and then had to sit there watching Cleveland win practically every damn game, or this year, when we have to play catch-up to get into the playoffs.

Tough call, but I think last year was worse. We had such a nice, comfortable lead and were just cruising along and then all hell broke loose. Remember how close it really was going into that final couple of weeks and how easily things could have gone the other way?

This year is agonizing because we know how good this team can be and are frustrated at the degree at which they are underachieving, given their talent. However, we're still in it, and whatever happens, we have something this year that we didn't have last year--a World Series trophy.

So, your thoughts, WSIers. Which one bothered you more (so far) and why?

Law11
08-23-2006, 03:52 PM
Last year because we were so close to losing it and I know i was getting ready to hear it from everyone about the worst collapse ever blah, blah. blah.

This year isnt a shock because we've been inconsistent all year. I've come to expect it. I just dont see us going on some big run. 6/10 seems to be the way it is and might be good enough the rest of the way to get in.

Then look out... Just like last year. get there and anything's possible.

itsnotrequired
08-23-2006, 03:52 PM
This year has bothered me more, hands down. Sox are playing catch up this season and that is always harder than defending a lead. Sox had the luxury of pissing away 10 games last season and still keep their lead. Now, every win is crucial and they don't really have any games to waste.

Ol' No. 2
08-23-2006, 03:52 PM
This year is worse, hands down. Last year was clearly a temporary slump. You knew they'd pull out of it sooner or later. It was excruciating waiting for it to happen, but you knew it would happen (except for the handful of pants-pissers who went on daily rants).

This year it's not a slump. Except for the first couple of months of the season, they've played this way all year. I honestly can't find a single reason to think they're going to do anything but keep playing the way they've been playing.

Chicken Dinner
08-23-2006, 03:52 PM
This year because we are flat out underachieving. The 2006 team is better, or should be, then the 2005 team. I don't think you can fault the Tigers because they have played like us in 2005 but we have lost games that we shouldn't have. Beaten ourselves.

cleanwsox
08-23-2006, 03:53 PM
I was definitely more stressed out last year over this year. With all the magic that happened from April - July, I didn't want to see it come to an end like that. Especially seeing the company the Sox would have been in if they had blown that huge lead with a month and a half to go.

This year is no doubt frustrating seeing that nobody expected the Tigers to be better than a 4th place team before the year. Although the play of late has been sluggish, having that WS title from last year is something that brightens the mood no matter where the Sox finish this year.

Law11
08-23-2006, 03:55 PM
seeing that nobody expected the Tigers to be better than a 4th place team before the year.

I put $20 on Detroit in Vegas in Feb at 75-1 to win it all.
The Sox were at 8-1 and $20 on that aint worth it so i took a shot at a longshot.

zmz723
08-23-2006, 03:56 PM
This year we are champs, last year we were nothing.

0o0o0
08-23-2006, 03:56 PM
This year has bothered me more, hands down. Sox are playing catch up this season and that is always harder than defending a lead. Sox had the luxury of pissing away 10 games last season and still keep their lead. Now, every win is crucial and they don't really have any games to waste.

And they're playing like they don't realize that. That's why I'd have to say this year.

tebman
08-23-2006, 03:57 PM
This year bothers me more than last year. After a lifetime of unmet expectations, I was fully prepared to see the Sox sink behind Cleveland last year. Then I was on an incredible high as they came back and charged through the postseason, feeling like Dorothy falling into the Land of Oz.

This year we know what these guys can do and they're not doing it. I know that they're professionals and that winning is in the front of their minds, but dammit, they're not doing the cumulative little things to win games like they did in '05.

Last year was a wonderful gift; this year I have expectations. This year's performance definitely bothers me more.

cleanwsox
08-23-2006, 03:57 PM
I put $20 on Detroit in Vegas in Feb at 75-1 to win it all.
The Sox were at 8-1 and $20 on that aint worth it so i took a shot at a longshot.


Not that bad of an idea to take a longshot these days in the MLB. Good luck on your bet although I'm sure you hope the Sox win it instead.... right? :cool:

samram
08-23-2006, 03:57 PM
This year is worse. I'll take the problem of protecting a 15 game lead (hell, even a 1 game lead) over the problem of underachieving and facing a 7.5 game deficit.

Baby Fisk
08-23-2006, 03:58 PM
It's a draw.

I was more psychotic last year, because a collapse would have been devastating.

I'm more angry this year, because the Sox aren't playing as well as they are capable of playing.

It's the White Sox. They will always bother us. :cool:

southside rocks
08-23-2006, 04:01 PM
Boy, that's kind of an "ointment or suppository?" question. Um, they're both yucky ... but I'll have to go with ChickenDinner and say that this year is worse, for me as a fan, because I believe that this club is under-achieving. I believe they can -- and should -- play better than they have since the ASB.

Last year their confidence (belief in themselves) and desire carried them through all the bad times. This year they've got talent to go with the c. and d. and it's not working -- they seem to have lost the confidence and the desire. I hope that's not the case and that a sea change is on the way for them.

batmanZoSo
08-23-2006, 04:02 PM
Honestly...I truly never thought we'd blow the lead last year.

This is 100% worse. Give me first place where we just have to win enough to stave off our foes.

Law11
08-23-2006, 04:03 PM
Not that bad of an idea to take a longshot these days in the MLB. Good luck on your bet although I'm sure you hope the Sox win it instead.... right? :cool:


But of course... I actually droped $20 on Detroit and $20 on Milwaukee.

bluestar
08-23-2006, 04:03 PM
This year has been far worse. Last year I wasn't 100% sure they could win it all until they did. This year I know they have all the right components, but they just aren't getting the job done.

I would much rather see a less talented team play their hearts out and overachieve than to see a more talented team struggle and seemingly underachieve like the Sox have this year.

Baby Fisk
08-23-2006, 04:04 PM
Honestly...I truly never thought we'd blow the lead last year.

The Batman... ice water runs through his veins.

spiffie
08-23-2006, 04:18 PM
This year is more annoying to watch. However, it is also easier for me to ignore or set aside. Last year by mid-September I was a complete wreck. I was going into work in the same clothes I wore to the game the night before, mumbling under my breath. Then everything got much better. Because of that, this is just another year. I hate seeing them lose, but it's not hurting me the way last year did. If they don't make the playoffs I will be very disappointed but it won't carry that sense of "****, I may never see them have a team so close to being able to go all the way" that last year did. If they lose, they lose. All that means is that the gap since our last title is 1 year, not 89 years like it would have been if we had choked away last year.

kobo
08-23-2006, 04:19 PM
This year is worse, hands down. Last year was clearly a temporary slump. You knew they'd pull out of it sooner or later. It was excruciating waiting for it to happen, but you knew it would happen (except for the handful of pants-pissers who went on daily rants).

This year it's not a slump. Except for the first couple of months of the season, they've played this way all year. I honestly can't find a single reason to think they're going to do anything but keep playing the way they've been playing.
I agree. This year has been frustrating because the team is so inconsistent and like No. 2 said, I see nothing that makes me believe they will snap out of this. Yet I still have hope. If this team goes down in flames I am going to go down with them, but I am not giving up just yet. I hope the Sox haven't given up either.

lakeviewsoxfan
08-23-2006, 04:22 PM
This year by far. They have been a frustrating team to watch since the end of the Baltimore series in early July. I still cannot believe if the playoffs were to start today they would be in them.

cleanwsox
08-23-2006, 04:29 PM
I still cannot believe if the playoffs were to start today they would be in them.


And everyone in MN would be up in arms since the only reason we got in was because we played one more game then them.

:smile:

hawkjt
08-23-2006, 04:31 PM
sorry, but i have to say last year was worse due to the reason cited. Living with the fear of blowing the biggest lead ever was paralyzing. We were destinys child and then we were on the death list.

This year is tough but I am secure in the knowledge that even if we fall short ,we will always have 2005.

I am a sentimental sap, tho.

nebraskasox
08-23-2006, 04:38 PM
This year is worse partly because it's happening now. We all know how last year turned out. This year is wrought with uncertainty.

Last year: Yes, losing the big lead was excruciatingly painful but at least I figured we'd get into the playoffs as the wildcard. Plus, the Sox had always broken my heart before so I was mentally and emotionally prepared for the worst.

This year: The way we've played lately, we may not make the playoffs. It seems like we have less chance to get in this year. Expectations were high coming off a championship and a team improved on paper, The year started out with such promise. We had a great record at the ASB. Since then the wheels seem to be coming off. I still think we'll get in as the wildcard but the Sox will have to play better and there's little indication that they will. Just hope and the belief that a team with this much talent and experience will prevail.

slobes
08-23-2006, 04:44 PM
Last year, no doubt. I don't want to sound like I'm giving up or anything, but if we don't make it this year, there was always 2005. Last year it's not like we hadn't played up to our potential for the entire year--we had played truly great baseball up until a certain point--I would to have seen a slide like that ruin a great season.

FielderJones
08-23-2006, 04:44 PM
I agree. This year has been frustrating because the team is so inconsistent and like No. 2 said, I see nothing that makes me believe they will snap out of this. Yet I still have hope. If this team goes down in flames I am going to go down with them, but I am not giving up just yet. I hope the Sox haven't given up either.

Who knows why teams don't perform? Over the course of a year many minor things add up to streaks of wins and streaks of losses. Just because the current situation looks bad doesn't mean they can't snap out of it.

Here's some perspective. The 1916 NY Giants ended the season in 4th place. Most of the year they played like crap. Yet they had a 29-5 September and set the record for most consecutive wins (26 with one tie embedded). How did they flip the switch and become unbeatable, when the season was essentially over for them?

Tragg
08-23-2006, 04:48 PM
Last year we were never out of the money and except for like 2 days, never really threatened with being out of the money.
This year is far different.

CaptainBallz
08-23-2006, 04:53 PM
I would have to say last year was definitely more annoying/upsetting. The Sox had such a monster lead and they seemed to just die on everybody. It was very, dare I say, "Cubbish". Plus, at this point last year they were already in full-blown "lets-blow-this-lead" mode which continued all the way until the last week of the season! If Cleveland decides to not make a few clutch chokes then no 2005 Playoffs. No 2005 ALDS. No 2005 ALCS. No 2005 WS. Nothing. That was bad.

This year is incredibly annoying, being that EVERYBODY knows they're playing beneath their abilities. Regardless of their record and that they are in the thick of a playoff race that many other teams wish they were in, we all know they can do better. If they just drop a stink bomb and fall way out of it, we have a month or so to deal with it. It's not like the lead was ours for any considerable amount of time. They can either catch up, keep up, or not. This year feels like it's more in their hands than the tailspin of last season was.

Shift
08-23-2006, 04:56 PM
This year because 90+ wins and missing the playoffs is still in play.

SouthSide_HitMen
08-23-2006, 05:00 PM
I was optimistic everyday last season - through the JOE CREDE game and beyond.

This year I felt pessimistic for the first time last evening after another pathetic effort by the offense.

So even though I think we will make the playoffs this season, I guess 2006 is the more disappointing season to date.

The Sox have blown many leads and seem to rarely get that clutch hit they were able to make last season.

I think outside of the bullpen this team is better. The starters are not pitching like it but our offense is clearly better and I think our defense with Anderson in CF is better.

It is time for the White Sox to suck it up and start to play the baseball they are capable of.

If it seems like I've been lost
In let's remember
If you think I'm feeling older
And missing my younger days
Oh, then you should have known me much better
'Cause my past is something that never
Got in my way
Oh no

Still I would not be here now
If I never had the hunger
And I'm not ashamed to say
The wild boys were my friends
Oh
'Cause I never felt the desire
'Til their music set me on fire
And then I was saved, yeah
That's why I'm keeping the faith
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Keeping the faith

Lip Man 1
08-23-2006, 05:02 PM
This season because at least last year you got the sense that they were busting their asses on every play. Every game, every pitch mattered.

This year that 'laid back,' 'professional' type attitude doesn't cut it with me.

You can have that attitude when you're the Yankees or Braves and make the playoffs every season.

I don't get the sense (and this may be very unfair) that the games 'matter' as much this time around to most of the guys. Bitching about umpires, Questec and other things are being used as excuses.

I never heard that from the 2005 team (or at least not as much...)

And I can understand this I guess. Once you've climbed the mountain it's very, very hard to do it again. That doesn't mean I like it though.

Lip

itsnotrequired
08-23-2006, 05:11 PM
Honestly...I truly never thought we'd blow the lead last year.

I only got nervous when the lead fell to 1.5 games. That was my "official" milestone. I was feeling okay when they went from a 15 game lead down to 5 but when they got down to 1.5 (after that extra inning loss at home to Minnesota), I was wringing my hands pretty good...

viagracat
08-23-2006, 05:55 PM
Of course, we know how last year turned out. I was able to since suppress the slide in September for that reason, and also because deep down inside I thought the way they played earlier in the year was no fluke. I do remember the taunts by guys like Zorn last year, but I somehow knew it was going to work out.

And the Sox did all the right things over the winter by getting guys like Thome, so this year should have been a breeze, right? Well, baseball does not work that way for merely mortal teams (e.g. everybody except the Yankmees) so while my brain understands repeating is hard for all kinds of reasons, as a fan it's hard to take, and clear underachieving just is frustrating as hell to watch.

soxinem1
08-23-2006, 06:49 PM
This year bothers me more than last year. After a lifetime of unmet expectations, I was fully prepared to see the Sox sink behind Cleveland last year. Then I was on an incredible high as they came back and charged through the postseason, feeling like Dorothy falling into the Land of Oz.

This year we know what these guys can do and they're not doing it. I know that they're professionals and that winning is in the front of their minds, but dammit, they're not doing the cumulative little things to win games like they did in '05.

Last year was a wonderful gift; this year I have expectations. This year's performance definitely bothers me more.

I could not have said it better....

rookie
08-23-2006, 08:46 PM
Wow, I thought it'd be a little bit more evenly split than this.

Last year I was a wreck in September. The pressure of "the greatest collapse ever" is far worse than the pressure of trying to repeat as World Champions. We didn't know last year that we were going to win it all. Plus last year helps to get me through this year. Not only all the banners, but knowing that no lead is safe, and that if the Sox start playing up to their potential then we won't have anything to worry about. Last year gave me confidence for this year.

Mohoney
08-23-2006, 09:15 PM
Last year bothered me way more. 88 years of precedent kept gnawing at my insides, and the Indians got hotter than the sun. The thought of missing the playoffs entirely did enter my mind when they pulled to 1.5 games because I thought that, at the time, we were pretty much playing as well as we were capable of playing.

This year, I'm just waiting for this team to stop beating themselves so often. I can't see a situation, despite what the standings say, where we will be sitting at home when the playoffs start; I think that we're just too damn talented, and that we will figure out the little things that are killing us, like Buehrle, Garcia, Vazquez, and Cotts not keeping the ball down, Konerko and Crede trying to pull the ball during the latter days of a brutal 24 day stretch instead of trying to shoot it the other way, etc.

A lot of this team's problems are of their own making, and that's what makes me think that they can go on a tear to end the season and postseason. Last year, our offense was doing a lot of things right, and STILL was worrisome because it was evident that it missed the dynamic of a big power/big OBP threat like Frank or Thome in the #3 spot. In other words, our offense had a "what you see is what you get" aura about it that made me worry about what it would do in September and the playoffs.

tony1972
08-23-2006, 09:59 PM
This year has been hard to watch sometimes..but for those few weeks in September that was agonizing..I just thought "if we blow this lead..this franchise will never recover and I knew it would be so hard to trust the team again esp. after 2003, 2004, etc........this will be the Strike and the White Flag trade combined"

If they don't make it this year it would be disappointing..but there is always my World Series DVD Collection I can pop in..memories of last year..it also wouldn't really be considered a choke..last year would have been humiliating if they blew it..this year not so much"..

Last year hands down..no comparison..

BadBobbyJenks
08-23-2006, 11:52 PM
This year and I dont think its even close. I never really thought we would miss the playoffs. I just kept telling my self it has never happened before its not going to happen now, just way too far ahead to lose.

This year has just keeps punching you in the stomach. Everytime we look like we are about to make a run we then stumble, everytime detroit falters, we go down with em. I know how good this team CAN be and its frustrating to see how inconsitent they are.


And add the expectations of a dynasty, this year by a landslide

PKalltheway
08-24-2006, 12:33 AM
Wow, I thought it'd be a little bit more evenly split than this.

Last year I was a wreck in September. The pressure of "the greatest collapse ever" is far worse than the pressure of trying to repeat as World Champions. We didn't know last year that we were going to win it all. Plus last year helps to get me through this year. Not only all the banners, but knowing that no lead is safe, and that if the Sox start playing up to their potential then we won't have anything to worry about. Last year gave me confidence for this year.
Couldn't have said it better myself. It seems like some of you had ice water running through your veins last year, or it's selective memory because we had a 15 game lead last year that shrunk to just 1.5 games. 1.5 GAMES. That was an experience I never, ever want to go through again. At least this year, we still have 2005 to fall back on. We're still the Defending World Champions. I can still put in my 2005 World Series DVD set to put me in a good mood. What would we have been called this year if the Sox blew that lead last year? The Defending World Chokers? Last year, if we blew that lead, we would catch **** from Cub fans. Chew on that for a while. We'd be right up there with the '69 Cubs and the 2004 Yankees as the biggest chokers of all time, and this year we'd still be looking for our first title in 89 years. I still think the Sox will make the playoffs and the World Series this year, but remember this. If they don't do it this year, you'll always have 2005. That is something we'll never, ever forget.

Nellie_Fox
08-24-2006, 12:42 AM
Last year, no question. I was in full-blown panic mode, out on the ledge. This year is a constant, nagging disappointment. Kind of a toothache compared to last year's myocardial infarction.

BadBobbyJenks
08-24-2006, 01:27 AM
Its all about expectations....Was it gut wrenching watching that lead shrink day after day? hell yes, but day after day we were still in first. I thought wed win the division last year, but the world series was more of a dream than a thought of reality. At least last year we controlled our destiny the entire season.

This year we dont in the division, and never in my wildest thoughts did I think wed be contending for the wild card this year. I predicted 105-110 wins and thought wed win by at least what the kittens are. It continues to bother me that we cant put a streak together.


And we never lost first place last year so it might have been tense, but we still went wire to wire

StatHead21
08-24-2006, 03:27 AM
The defense is much worse than it was last year, as Hawk pointed out tonight. Errors don't exactly tell the whole story, they've played bad D compared to last year.

Malgar 12
08-24-2006, 07:50 AM
This year we are champs, last year we were nothing.

That's right, anybody who says this year is a revisionist.

rdwj
08-24-2006, 08:43 AM
Last year was MUCH worse for one reason....

I'd never seen my team come close to a World Series

This year, while below expectations so far, is much easier to take because we're fresh off a WS win.

Madvora
08-24-2006, 08:44 AM
I'd say last year was worse because we weren't (or I wasn't) even thinking about the wild card then. It seemed to me that if the Indians caught up to us, that would be then end of it.
This year's second half is tough to watch, but we're fighting for the division and have the wild card as a back up. The wild card didn't even seem like an option to me last year.

jenn2080
08-24-2006, 08:46 AM
This season is way worst for me then last year. We are not playing up to standards and it has been very frustrating not to mention the lack of enthusiasm as of late.

BA: The Hitman
08-24-2006, 09:46 AM
This year I am more pissed than anything.....I've never gotten this angry while watching the sox. The main reason is because we all know that we have a better team than last year and we are not playing as good as we should.

Last year, it was more shocking, like "is this really happening?" I still remember when the lead was down to 1 1/2 games and I was ready to crawl into a hole like I was when the cubs had that 3-1 lead over the marlins....but that worked out pretty well and hopefully t hin gs will this year.

Frater Perdurabo
08-24-2006, 10:12 AM
Last year, the Sox didn't collapse, but had played so well earlier in the year that their six weeks of .500-ball simultaneous with Cleveland's .900 run made it "feel" like a collapse. Also, last year we Sox fans felt the pent-up frustration of 88 years of failure, even if almost all of us didn't experience first-hand the full 88 years (is there any member of WSI who was alive in 1917?). Anyway, there was a certain expectation of doom last year that made it quite frustrating up until the Sox actually won the World Series. Although I knew the Sox could and should win the World Series once they made the postseason, deep within me I always wondered and feared if we Sox fans would be punished and humiliated in some way for cheering when the Cubs imploded in 2003.

This year, although the gross underachievement is frustrating and even agonizing at times, I remain contended with the knowledge that the Sox still lead the Wild Card chase and even if they fail to make the postseason this year, I still have fresh, pleasing memories from last October to sustain me.

There are times when I still can't believe that the my (our) White Sox won the World Series, and I (we) got to see/experience it. In fact, I still get choked up when thinking about that photo of Frank Thomas hugging the trophy - or even posting about it.
:redface:

Moses_Scurry
08-24-2006, 11:13 AM
Last year was tougher because we didn't have the 2004 world championship to fall back on.

Fake Chet Lemon
08-24-2006, 12:22 PM
This year is worse. What did we hear on all the World Series DVD's?

"That run by Cleveland only made us tougher in the long run, maybe it's what put us on that playoff run."

So by sweeping Detroit last week then losing our momentum, maybe we only made THEM STRONGER now. We toughened them up some.

Doesn't the logic work both ways, or only when it favors the White Sox :tongue: ? Besides my intense pain from last year faded away the first time I watched my WS DVD. This question.....timing is everything!

slavko
08-24-2006, 12:40 PM
Who knows why teams don't perform? Over the course of a year many minor things add up to streaks of wins and streaks of losses. Just because the current situation looks bad doesn't mean they can't snap out of it.

Here's some perspective. The 1916 NY Giants ended the season in 4th place. Most of the year they played like crap. Yet they had a 29-5 September and set the record for most consecutive wins (26 with one tie embedded). How did they flip the switch and become unbeatable, when the season was essentially over for them?

The answer is in the question. The pressure was off. This game is 95% psychology. The other 5% is in your head.

That having been said, I have a box of playoff DVD's and a bunch of WS merchandise. Last year I had an 88 year drought and snickering Cubs fans. I'm feeling fine.

CaptainBallz
08-24-2006, 01:06 PM
The answer is in the question. The pressure was off. This game is 95% psychology. The other 5% is in your head.

That having been said, I have a box of playoff DVD's and a bunch of WS merchandise. Last year I had an 88 year drought and snickering Cubs fans. I'm feeling fine.

I'll have what you're having...:smokin:

Although I prefer to just shut them out, the obvious delight certain douchebag Cubs fans were expressing at the "collapse" last year made things 150x worse than they already were.

This year, fresh off a Sox WS victory and another dismal season by the clowns on Addison, even though there is a silent hope that the Sox don't get to the post-season, most of those dweebs are keeping it to themselves. They've got nothing... STILL. It takes a little bit of the annoyance out of this situation.

ws05champs
08-24-2006, 03:49 PM
Last year was definitely worse for me. We were 88 years without a World Series win and hadn't even made an appearance in the World Series since 1959. We had the best record in the AL by a long shot and were on the verge of blowing a huge lead. Yet we came through.

This year no matter how bad it gets I just look at my replica trophy and replica ring and know we did it then and can do it again. We have had many talented teams on paper over the years so it doesn't upset me that this team is not yet living up to its paper potential. Just as long as we are there at the end of September and can live up to our potential in October, its all okay.

rookie
08-26-2006, 12:29 PM
From Scott Reifert...

http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/inside_the_white_sox/2006/08/off_the_ledge.html


While this year has been at times frustrating, disappointing, annoying (etc. ... you pick the emotion), if you ask me, last year was worse. Last year, you had the feeling like we were going to blow this monumental lead. That it would be a disaster baseball historians would write about forever. Instead, magically, we came out of it in an amazing way.

Lip Man 1
08-26-2006, 01:15 PM
Rookie:

With respect to Scott, whom I consider a friend, he also wrote that the Sox 'slump' (having lost 7 of 11) has been caused by facing quality pitchers.

'Boof' Bonser and the two Royals goofs are 'quality' pitchers?

Lip

jdm2662
08-26-2006, 01:33 PM
Last year was much worse on me. The stress and agony I was feeling from mid-August to the last week of the season was the most brutual stretch I've ever experienced as a sports fan. The Ditka Bears and the Bulls run never even came close to what I felt last year. I never would've heard the end of it had they blown their division lead.

This year, while their play is very annoying, I've vowed not to go through what I did last year. The World Series had a lot to do with it. No longer do I have the burden of 88 years. It makes a huge difference. If they make the playoffs they do, they don't, they don't. I will support them to the very end and hope for the best. However, i'm not stressing myself out like I did last year. That was way too much to take.

WSox597
08-26-2006, 06:13 PM
For me, no contest. This year is excruciating, since the team was made so much better on paper and is underachieving. I realize the Tigers are having an outstanding year and the Sox are stll 20+ games over .500. Their record would be good for first place in almost every other division.

Of course, they're not in every other division, they're in the best division in the game.

Well, until yesterday they would've been. Then, along came Ozzie getting outmanaged, again. Maybe the thing to do, is think of something to do, and then do the opposite. :tongue:

A. Cavatica
08-26-2006, 09:08 PM
Last year was more of a roller coaster, and harder to take. The Sox raised our expectations from day one, to the point where we believed they could get to the World Series -- and then they took two months off. We started worrying about them not winning the Series, then making an early exit in the playoffs, then not making the playoffs (as one of the biggest choke teams ever).

This year our expectations were sky-high to start the season and have dwindled fairly steadily, as it became clear that our pitching staff is nothing like last year's, and as we were forced to start taking Detroit and then Minnesota seriously. It's agonizing because on paper we're the best team in baseball, and we may miss the playoffs, but I can actually stand it for three reasons. First, we're World Series champs, and they can't take that away. Second, Sox teams usually follow up a playoff appearance with a real clunker of a season and several years of mediocrity, and this team still looks equipped to contend next year. Third, Detroit and Minny are really good teams. Give credit where credit is due.

Grzegorz
08-26-2006, 10:23 PM
Sox teams usually follow up a playoff appearance with a real clunker of a season and several years of mediocrity, and this team still looks equipped to contend next year. Third, Detroit and Minny are really good teams. Give credit where credit is due.

Sure, the Twins and Tigers are very good this year. They'll be good next year and I am sure the Indians & Royals will improve. The AL Central is the best in baseball at this time.

I believe the White Sox will be a force next year provided they make some moves in the off season regardless of whether they make the playoffs in 2006.

tony1972
08-26-2006, 10:28 PM
There is no argument...blowing a 15 game lead would have went as the worst choke in sports history and would have been a humiliation...being expected at the beginning of the season to make the playoffs and not (and they still can) is no where near the same...

fuzzy_patters
08-27-2006, 03:48 AM
When the Sox lost games last year, I could hang my hat on the fact that Cleveland was still behind us despite playing great baseball. There was always a ray of sunshine as long as we were in first place.

This year is much worse. Every time they Sox lose, they lose precious time to catch up with Detroit, and now they are behind Minnesota, too. It seems like they can never make up any ground. It is extremely frustrating.

tick53
08-27-2006, 11:52 AM
This year for sure. You think the team is going to hit that groove and kick some butt and then they revert back to looking mediocre. It's frustrating. Hawk keeps saying that the team hasn't hit their rhythm and it's true, they
haven't. The time is getting short to even do this. I'm not giving up, but we have a tough schedule for the rest of the season. Kick it in boys, we're waiting.

rookie
09-13-2006, 08:24 PM
Seems like someone asked Ozzie and Kenny the question...

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060913&content_id=1660592&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws



"Entertaining?" Williams asked. "The better question would be which is more agonizing -- last year or this year? I would say that they are equally as agonizing, and I can only hope that it will end in a similar fashion. "I hope," added Williams, his voice trailing off while referring back to last year's World Series title.




"Last year, because it was so many different things," Guillen said. "Our lead was so good, [and then] all of a sudden we lose it and it was going to be the worst thing to happen in sports.

"In the meanwhile, this one [is tough], because we want to come back and do this. Unfortunately, we're playing against two teams, one played good all year and one played good in the second half of the season. We're up and down most of the year, but in the meanwhile, we're still in the pennant race and competing against good ballclubs."

Guillen added that repeating as champion should be easier, because as he reminds his players: "You have the ring. We're already the champs. Don't worry about anything. Just go out and play your game and make everyone else worry about where we are, what we do."


(Don't know if it was okay to quote that much, hope I didn't do it wrong.)

23Ventura
09-13-2006, 09:25 PM
Last year was by far worse. At the beginning of August, I couldn't wait for the Sox to finish the last two months so the playoffs could start. I was just assuming they would make it. And then in mid-August, it seemed that Cleveland gained a game on us every single day. I was at the game in September when the tribe got to within 1.5. The entire ride home was silence. It sucked. Blowing a 15 game lead would've been the most humiliating season ever, worse than the '69 Cubs. I didn't want the '05 Sox to become one of those infamous teams that blew a huge lead. Also, this year we don't have an 88 year old drought. That makes it much easier.

TDog
09-14-2006, 07:07 PM
Last year was much worse. Last year there was serious doubt in some quarters whether it was possible for the White Sox to win a World Series in our lifetimes. This year, the Sox are in a fight to get back into the postseason, but they don't have to win because this might be my only chance to see the Sox play in the World Series.

I know losing is never acceptable, but there isn't the same desperation.