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Fenway
08-23-2006, 10:05 AM
With the Red Sox in the middle of their worst losing streak of the year, it now appears the manchild Manny may have gone too far this time.

Manny wants to go to Burning Man eh? Well right now Red Sox Nation wants to Burn Manny. This even for Manny is shocking

In yesterday's Providence Journal, Sean McAdam wrote, ``Ramírez was enraged by the call, and was so angry about it the next day that he had to be talked into playing the Saturday afternoon game."

Monday, when the Sox lost the Yankee finale, 2-1, Ramírez bowed out after the fourth inning, complaining of cramps in his right hamstring. And last night, he was not in the lineup, nor was he limping as he padded around the clubhouse late in the afternoon.


http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/08/23/sore_hamstring_or_hurt_feelings/


Informed that it was reported that Ramírez threatened to sit out because of the call, Giuliotti said, ``You've got to be kidding me. I cost the Red Sox the World Series? I didn't think it was that difficult of a play."

viagracat
08-23-2006, 10:17 AM
I'd imagine Jeter would have the right to be pissed about being charged with what could be an unfair error, but I haven't heard anything like that. Of course, it's easier to slough that off after sweeping the Red Sox to essentially cement a division title, but other than a few statheads and such, who spends a lot of time caring about scorekeeper's decisions?

In other words, deal with it Manny. Sheesh. If this kind of stuff can sidetrack a team, they don't have a chance.

Fenway
08-23-2006, 10:27 AM
I honestly think Francoma has other things to worry about right now.


Francona tap-danced around the question of whether it was true or not that Ramirez had to be convinced to play Saturday, taking off on scorer Joe Giuliotti's decision, going so far as to say he told Ramirez in the dugout after the play that he thought the call should be changed and would see what he could do about getting it changed.
"I think the (bleeping) scorer ought to be embarrassed. It's a (bleeping) major league game," said Francona, seemingly trying to divert attention from the original question of Ramirez's reluctance to play Saturday.


http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20060823_23rsoxjo.35e107e.html

Go Patriots!!!! Go Bruins!!!!

PKalltheway
08-23-2006, 11:31 AM
:hawk
"Boston, your season is OVAH!!!"

jenn2080
08-23-2006, 12:07 PM
I honestly think Francoma has other things to worry about right now.



http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo_20060823_23rsoxjo.35e107e.html

Go Patriots!!!! Go Bruins!!!!

there ya go fenway... GO BOSTON BRUINS! I cant wait Dev 29th against the Blacksucks.

Madvora
08-23-2006, 12:20 PM
"Too far?"

I don't know... seems like the same stuff he's been doing for years.
The guy is an absolute joke.

I'd love to see how this guy would get along with Guillen as his manager.

Foulke You
08-23-2006, 01:04 PM
I'd love to see how this guy would get along with Guillen as his manager.
It's very simple, Ozzie would bench his ass for that. If a guy doesn't want to play, he isn't going to play for Ozzie. That type of behavior wouldn't be tolerated. I don't see why Francona has to suck up to him. I hate how so many managers are afraid of their players these days.

I think the problem is that a lot of managers don't have the relationship with their GMs like Kenny Williams does with Ozzie. Many GMs distance themselves from the manager I think so that if something goes wrong, they have a scapegoat. Kenny and Ozzie seem to be on the same page and if a guy's attitude isn't fitting in the clubhouse like Damaso Marte, then they are sent packing. Other managers might not have that type of freedom. Francona may say "get this idiot out of my clubhouse" and the GM might say "tough, you have to deal with him". I think if more teams operated like Ozzie/KW do, there would be less primadonna behavior tolerated in baseball.

Paulwny
08-23-2006, 01:15 PM
It's very simple, Ozzie would bench his ass for that. If a guy doesn't want to play, he isn't going to play for Ozzie. That type of behavior wouldn't be tolerated. I don't see why Francona has to suck up to him. I hate how so many managers are afraid of their players these days.

I think the problem is that a lot of managers don't have the relationship with their GMs like Kenny Williams does with Ozzie. Many GMs distance themselves from the manager I think so that if something goes wrong, they have a scapegoat. Kenny and Ozzie seem to be on the same page and if a guy's attitude isn't fitting in the clubhouse like Damaso Marte, then they are sent packing. Other managers might not have that type of freedom. Francona may say "get this idiot out of my clubhouse" and the GM might say "tough, you have to deal with him". I think if more teams operated like Ozzie/KW do, there would be less primadonna behavior tolerated in baseball.

You can't compare Manny with Marte, one is vital to his team's play-off hopes. A better comparison would be Manny and PK. What if today, PK decided to take a few days off, would Ozzie bench him for the rest of the season and probably toss away any play-off hopes for this year ?

Madvora
08-23-2006, 01:16 PM
With the way this guy acts, it always surprises me how much Hawk loves him.

the gooch
08-23-2006, 01:46 PM
there ya go fenway... GO BOSTON BRUINS! I cant wait Dev 29th against the Blacksucks.
Is that the month that comes after Febtober?

jenn2080
08-23-2006, 02:13 PM
Is that the month that comes after Febtober?

typo opps.

Foulke You
08-23-2006, 03:22 PM
You can't compare Manny with Marte, one is vital to his team's play-off hopes. A better comparison would be Manny and PK. What if today, PK decided to take a few days off, would Ozzie bench him for the rest of the season and probably toss away any play-off hopes for this year ?
Ozzie has said time and again, if you don't want to play hard and play to win then you can get out of his clubhouse. He also has said that he doesn't care how much money you make or how big a star you are. If he feels you will be a detrement to a winning team oriented atmosphere, then you won't play and he'll find somewhere else for you to go. He makes no bones about being the boss because he is the boss and KW makes that happen.

You cited Konerko as an example of a situation where Ozzie might bend. Based on what I've seen from Ozzie as a manager, if Konerko was crying about the scorekeeper and threatening not to play because of it, I think Ozzie absolutely would bench Konerko until he straightened his act out. He just isn't afraid of any of his players and he is not afraid to get fired either. Overall, the type of behavior exibited by Manny Ramirez over his Red Sox career wouldn't last a month in Ozzie's clubhouse.

Paulwny
08-24-2006, 09:56 AM
Ozzie has said time and again, if you don't want to play hard and play to win then you can get out of his clubhouse. He also has said that he doesn't care how much money you make or how big a star you are. If he feels you will be a detrement to a winning team oriented atmosphere, then you won't play and he'll find somewhere else for you to go. He makes no bones about being the boss because he is the boss and KW makes that happen.

You cited Konerko as an example of a situation where Ozzie might bend. Based on what I've seen from Ozzie as a manager, if Konerko was crying about the scorekeeper and threatening not to play because of it, I think Ozzie absolutely would bench Konerko until he straightened his act out. He just isn't afraid of any of his players and he is not afraid to get fired either. Overall, the type of behavior exibited by Manny Ramirez over his Red Sox career wouldn't last a month in Ozzie's clubhouse.

I'm not so sure how Oz or KW would react if this occurred during a div/ wildcard race, but we'll never know since there are very few if any Mannys out there.

Fenway
08-24-2006, 10:26 AM
Manny’s still easy target: But he’s not to blame (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=154247)
By Tony Massarotti/ Baseball
ANAHEIM, Calif. - He is human, despite our perception of him, and so you cannot help but wonder: How many times is Manny Ramirez left shaking his head?

now it is his knee

"His right knee is really bothering him, and I guess it's not surprising. Anytime you're battling a hammy with a knee problem, it directly affects that. He didn't want to come out, but it was grabbing at him. So we're going to take him and get him checked out a little more extensively in the morning.

"We just want to get some better answers and make sure he's OK before we run him back out there. When you're on the road, you're a little bit at the mercy of the other team. But they're pretty helpful." -- 8.23.06, Terry Francona on the gritty Manny Ramirez

http://bostondirtdogs.com/

Rockin Robin
08-24-2006, 10:40 AM
haha, the scorekeeper's attitude was the best

and a protest with the league office to get manny a hit? come ON...

it's times like these that make me realize how lucky we are to have the team that we do, as much as they are killing us lately...

stacksedwards
08-24-2006, 10:48 AM
I hate the Red Sox, who cares about Manny the stuff just gets old. He is a great player with a garbage attitude. What ever happened to the good ole days with Jim Rice?

Rockin Robin
08-24-2006, 10:58 AM
I hate the Red Sox, who cares about Manny the stuff just gets old. He is a great player with a garbage attitude. What ever happened to the good ole days with Jim Rice?

(Insert joke about Hawk's mancrush on Carl Yastrzemski here)

Fenway
08-24-2006, 02:40 PM
This could be the end for the Red Sox. If Manny gone, that takes Ortiz away :whiner:

ANAHEIM, Calif. - Manny Ramirez (http://news.bostonherald.com/search/?searchSite=true&keyword=Manny+Ramirez&mode=all&sorting=pubdate)’ return to the Red Sox (http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox.bg) lineup last night was a brief one and the team may now be without him for an extended period of time due to a sore right knee.
Ramirez, who was restricted to a pinch-hitting appearance in Tuesday’s loss to the Los Angeles Angels due to cramping in his right hamstring, asked to start last night’s 5-4 win but came out after 3 1/2 innings due to the knee. Manager Terry Francona (http://news.bostonherald.com/search/?searchSite=true&keyword=Terry+Francona&mode=all), who speculated that the aching knee may be tied to the hamstring issue, said the slugger will undergo a magnetic resonance imaging test today. The knee has been bothering him for periods throughout the season.

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=154233&srvc=weei

mrfourni
08-24-2006, 03:02 PM
If he's so valuable, shouldn't Ortiz have been asked to start @ first base so Manny could've DH'd? I don't get it.

Fenway
08-24-2006, 03:11 PM
sigh


Manny Ramirez had an MRI on his right knee around 11 o'clock (West Coast time) this morning and was headed to Angel Stadium for an examination with Dr Lewis Yocum, the Angels' orthopedist.
There probably will be no official word on the results from the club until later today -- although there's no guarantee of that, either, given how secretive they've become about medical matters -- but we'll try to keep you informed. There is indeed some concern that Manny has cartilage damage in the knee, but that remains speculative at this stage.


http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/

Britt Burns
08-24-2006, 03:18 PM
Reason number 1,583 that I wouldn't want Manny on the Sox even for the league minimum. I usually think the 'clubhouse cancers' are a bit overrated as to their impact on the team they are with, but in his case it is well deserved and entirely appropriate.