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Viva Medias B's
08-23-2006, 08:34 AM
Harmon Killebrew, perhaps due to a split between Rod Carew and Kirby Puckett voters, was elected the "Best Twin Ever."

Today is the White Sox' turn in the alphabetical rotation. However, for climatic purposes, we will skip our team today. The "Best White Sox Ever" poll will be posted tomorrow morning in the Sox Clubhouse board. It will be a 48-hour poll.

Today's 24-hour poll will be the one other team left, the New York Yankees.

TornLabrum
08-23-2006, 08:41 AM
I can't believe one of the first three voters didn't vote for Ruth. Berra may be the greatest catcher ever, pre-Bench, but he is nowhere near the greatest Yankee ever. Ruth saved the game. He changed how the game is played. And he was one of the best pitchers in the game before he did that. So what were Berra's accomplishments that topped that?

Frontman
08-23-2006, 08:42 AM
This one is VERY hard to determine. All of the players (plus others who aren't on it) have been great Yankees. Lou Gehrig was to me what a sports "hero" is what all about. How can you not consider what Babe Ruth did for the game of baseball? Joltin' Joe, Mickey Mantle, man; those were BALL players.

But I voted for Yogi. I think he personally embodied the very soul of the Yankees. He played hard, he played smart (even though half the time he doesn't speak anything close to being intelligent.)

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eastchicagosoxfan
08-23-2006, 08:50 AM
Ruth. His stats are mind-boggling. Either he or Cobb are the game's greatest offensive player.

Madvora
08-23-2006, 09:16 AM
Ruth. His stats are mind-boggling. Either he or Cobb are the game's greatest offensive player.
As TL stated above... don't forget the pitching too.
He's the greatest player in the history of the game.

LongLiveFisk
08-23-2006, 09:22 AM
As TL stated above... don't forget the pitching too.
He's the greatest player in the history of the game.

Those are my feelings as well. If I think he's the best player ever, then I'm going to certainly say he's the best Yankee ever! :cool:

batmanZoSo
08-23-2006, 09:28 AM
It's amazing with the caliber of players on this ballot that it's still a no-brainer. Ruth.

Any one of them would almost be a no brainer for any other team.

vegyrex
08-23-2006, 09:33 AM
Lou Gehrig is one of my all favorite players but I have to vote for Ruth. His impact on the game was immense.

He's not only the greatest Yankee, but the best player ever.

samram
08-23-2006, 09:34 AM
The Bambino. As others have said, he's the greatest player of all time for any team.

Johnny Mostil
08-23-2006, 09:53 AM
It's amazing with the caliber of players on this ballot that it's still a no-brainer. Ruth.

Any one of them would almost be a no brainer for any other team.

At least this ballot was done right. Of course, if you can't get this one right, then you probably shouldn't try to make any others . . .

viagracat
08-23-2006, 10:16 AM
The Yankees, of course, are the most storied franchise in baseball and this poll had some of the game's most storied players. And the guy who best wears the face of the Yankees is Babe Ruth.

As others have pointed out, he did it all. And he was a character. They'll still be talking about this guy a hundred years from now.

And no, I'm not a closet Yankee fan. I actually pulled for the Cubs for the first time in my life when they played each other last year. But it is what it is, and you have to respect them.

fquaye149
08-23-2006, 10:45 AM
mumble mumble mumble
WHAT?
mumble mumble mumble
WHAT?
I'M THE GREAT BAMBINO?

Oh...I thought you said...the great...bambi

THAT WIMPY DEER?

Fenway
08-23-2006, 11:42 AM
nice going Mr Frazee

http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Albums/04_World_Series/RuthBabeRedSox.jpg

gobears1987
08-23-2006, 11:46 AM
Smalls (http://imdb.com/name/nm0347509/): I was gonna put the ball back.
Squints (http://imdb.com/name/nm0503140/): But it was signed by Babe Ruth!
Smalls (http://imdb.com/name/nm0347509/): Yeah, you keep telling me that! Who is she?
Ham Porter (http://imdb.com/name/nm0719606/): WHAT? WHAT?
Kenny (http://imdb.com/name/nm0010781/): The sultan of swat!
Bertram (http://imdb.com/name/nm0312521/): The king of crash!
Timmy (http://imdb.com/name/nm0227224/): The colossus of clout!
Tommy (http://imdb.com/name/nm0643184/): The colossus of clout!
All: BABE RUTH!
Ham Porter (http://imdb.com/name/nm0719606/): THE GREAT BAMBINO!
Smalls (http://imdb.com/name/nm0347509/): Oh my god! You mean that's the same guy?

Railsplitter
08-23-2006, 12:32 PM
The Babe may have helped the game, but the Yankees won only 4 Series with him, which Di Maggio had after his first four seasons.

Gerhig was a hometown product, but the Yanks tainted his streak by calling ganes when he wasn't up to snuff. DiMaggio was there at the true beginning of the Yankee dynasty, and Mantle was in at it's heyday, but I went with Yogi. He had a hand in more Series champions tha anybody, and played the outfield as well. Unlike the others, he even managed the Yankees.

For pitchers, you can't argue with Whitey Ford's .690 winning percentage.

CHIsoxNation
08-23-2006, 12:34 PM
Smalls (http://imdb.com/name/nm0347509/): I was gonna put the ball back.
Squints (http://imdb.com/name/nm0503140/): But it was signed by Babe Ruth!
Smalls (http://imdb.com/name/nm0347509/): Yeah, you keep telling me that! Who is she?
Ham Porter (http://imdb.com/name/nm0719606/): WHAT? WHAT?
Kenny (http://imdb.com/name/nm0010781/): The sultan of swat!
Bertram (http://imdb.com/name/nm0312521/): The king of crash!
Timmy (http://imdb.com/name/nm0227224/): The colossus of clout!
Tommy (http://imdb.com/name/nm0643184/): The colossus of clout!
All: BABE RUTH!
Ham Porter (http://imdb.com/name/nm0719606/): THE GREAT BAMBINO!
Smalls (http://imdb.com/name/nm0347509/): Oh my god! You mean that's the same guy?

Classic!

Frontman
08-23-2006, 12:43 PM
The Babe may have helped the game, but the Yankees won only 4 Series with him, which Di Maggio had after his first four seasons.

Gerhig was a hometown product, but the Yanks tainted his streak by calling ganes when he wasn't up to snuff. DiMaggio was there at the true beginning of the Yankee dynasty, and Mantle was in at it's heyday, but I went with Yogi. He had a hand in more Series champions tha anybody, and played the outfield as well. Unlike the others, he even managed the Yankees.

For pitchers, you can't argue with Whitey Ford's .690 winning percentage.

Now I don't feel so stupid for voting for Yogi. Heck, he even got a cartoon character named after him! :)

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jortafan
08-23-2006, 01:34 PM
The Babe may have helped the game, but the Yankees won only 4 Series with him, which Di Maggio had after his first four seasons.

Gerhig was a hometown product, but the Yanks tainted his streak by calling ganes when he wasn't up to snuff. DiMaggio was there at the true beginning of the Yankee dynasty, and Mantle was in at it's heyday, but I went with Yogi. He had a hand in more Series champions tha anybody, and played the outfield as well. Unlike the others, he even managed the Yankees.

For pitchers, you can't argue with Whitey Ford's .690 winning percentage.

I hate to seem overly snotty, but this statement is a matter of putting together various facts to tell a lie. The the Yankees' image as a dominant powerhouse baseball franchise was created by Ruth. Pre-Babe, the Yankees/Highlanders were a third-rate franchise that struggled to finish in the American League's first division.

It was during the 1920s that Yankees teams led by Ruth (and later supported by Gehrig) became strong perennial contenders for the American League pennant. The team won seven of the 15 American League pennants possible during Ruth's years with the team. No other AL team comes even close to matching that (not even the Athletics three-straight pennants from 1929-31). The notion of saying that the Yankees won "only four" World Series with Ruth is ridiculous. That's an impressive total in and of itself. Or do you believe that the Chicago Bulls' championship runs in the 1990s are lessened because, after all, the Bulls won only six NBA titles during Michael Jordan's time with the team.

Now I'll concede that Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle and Berra all did great things and were part of a significant number of championship teams that further enhanced the image of the Yankees as an overbearing baseball power. But it took such great activities by these men to show they were worthy of wearing the same uniform as Babe Ruth.

In short, Ruth as the face of the Yankees is the most obvious of the no-brainer choices; bigger than voting for George Brett for the Royals, Ted Williams for the Red Sox or none of the above for the Devil Rays.

Now, I'll crawl back under my rock and let you, and anyone else who wishes, trash me. Go for it.

fquaye149
08-23-2006, 01:50 PM
I hate to seem overly snotty, but this statement is a matter of putting together various facts to tell a lie. The the Yankees' image as a dominant powerhouse baseball franchise was created by Ruth. Pre-Babe, the Yankees/Highlanders were a third-rate franchise that struggled to finish in the American League's first division.

It was during the 1920s that Yankees teams led by Ruth (and later supported by Gehrig) became strong perennial contenders for the American League pennant. The team won seven of the 15 American League pennants possible during Ruth's years with the team. No other AL team comes even close to matching that (not even the Athletics three-straight pennants from 1929-31). The notion of saying that the Yankees won "only four" World Series with Ruth is ridiculous. That's an impressive total in and of itself. Or do you believe that the Chicago Bulls' championship runs in the 1990s are lessened because, after all, the Bulls won only six NBA titles during Michael Jordan's time with the team.

Now I'll concede that Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle and Berra all did great things and were part of a significant number of championship teams that further enhanced the image of the Yankees as an overbearing baseball power. But it took such great activities by these men to show they were worthy of wearing the same uniform as Babe Ruth.

In short, Ruth as the face of the Yankees is the most obvious of the no-brainer choices; bigger than voting for George Brett for the Royals, Ted Williams for the Red Sox or none of the above for the Devil Rays.

Now, I'll crawl back under my rock and let you, and anyone else who wishes, trash me. Go for it.

No. you're 100% correct.

I'm dumbfounded that anyone would be so iconoclastic to vote Berra.

And that's heavy crit. coming from someone like me.

MeteorsSox4367
08-23-2006, 01:58 PM
It's close, but I'll vote for Ruth. His HR stats are obviously incredible and I think his name and his persona just add to the legacy. That said, I would have loved to have seen DiMaggio, Gehrig and Mantle in their respective primes.

My Dad saw Mantle play against the Sox at Comiskey and said that when he was healthy, he was something to see.

And as much as I hate the Yankees - they are indeed my least-favorite baseball team - I'd still like to see Yankee Stadium because of its historical significance.

batmanZoSo
08-23-2006, 02:16 PM
No. you're 100% correct.

I'm dumbfounded that anyone would be so iconoclastic to vote Berra.

And that's heavy crit. coming from someone like me.

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/paul-mccartney-on-xm.jpg
Pot meet kettle, mate. :redneck

Madvora
08-23-2006, 03:04 PM
Babe Ruth pitching stats.

My God! He's #15 all-time in ERA!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/alltime/playercard?playerId=12029&type=1

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2861/bron8.png

soxinem1
08-23-2006, 03:12 PM
I hate to seem overly snotty, but this statement is a matter of putting together various facts to tell a lie. The the Yankees' image as a dominant powerhouse baseball franchise was created by Ruth. Pre-Babe, the Yankees/Highlanders were a third-rate franchise that struggled to finish in the American League's first division.

It was during the 1920s that Yankees teams led by Ruth (and later supported by Gehrig) became strong perennial contenders for the American League pennant. The team won seven of the 15 American League pennants possible during Ruth's years with the team. No other AL team comes even close to matching that (not even the Athletics three-straight pennants from 1929-31). The notion of saying that the Yankees won "only four" World Series with Ruth is ridiculous. That's an impressive total in and of itself. Or do you believe that the Chicago Bulls' championship runs in the 1990s are lessened because, after all, the Bulls won only six NBA titles during Michael Jordan's time with the team.

Now I'll concede that Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle and Berra all did great things and were part of a significant number of championship teams that further enhanced the image of the Yankees as an overbearing baseball power. But it took such great activities by these men to show they were worthy of wearing the same uniform as Babe Ruth.

In short, Ruth as the face of the Yankees is the most obvious of the no-brainer choices; bigger than voting for George Brett for the Royals, Ted Williams for the Red Sox or none of the above for the Devil Rays.

Now, I'll crawl back under my rock and let you, and anyone else who wishes, trash me. Go for it.

I agree 100%. If Ruth does not change the face of the Yankees, DiMaggio and Berra may have been Giants, Mantle a White Sox, and Whitey Ford a Tiger. He changed how the Yankees were perceived, and single-handedly made the franchise.

Madvora
08-23-2006, 03:15 PM
and single-handedly made the franchise.
"The house that Ruth built"

fquaye149
08-23-2006, 03:44 PM
http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/paul-mccartney-on-xm.jpg
Pot meet kettle, mate. :redneck

hence the last sentence of my post. "and that's heavy crit. coming from someone like me."

slobes
08-23-2006, 04:46 PM
Hard to imagine so many great players have played for the same team. I go for Ruth for 2 reasons: 1) He had been an extremely good pitcher too and 2) The era in which he did what he did make his feats 100x more amazing.

DoItForDanPasqua
08-23-2006, 05:21 PM
Babe Ruth pitching stats.

My God! He's #15 all-time in ERA!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/alltime/playercard?playerId=12029&type=1

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2861/bron8.png


Ruth is the greatest Yankee ever just for his hitting. The fact that he was also the best lefty of the teens makes him the greatest player ever. I don't believe that there is anyone even close.

Whitesox4ever
08-23-2006, 05:36 PM
Lou Gehrig

gobears1987
08-23-2006, 05:39 PM
Babe Ruth pitching stats.

My God! He's #15 all-time in ERA!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/alltime/playercard?playerId=12029&type=1

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2861/bron8.pngDo you know what is even more amazing? According to ESPN, he only played in an average of 64 games during each of his first 4 full seasons (1915-1918). Imagine what his offensive numbers would've been had he not rarely been played because he was a pitcher:o:

SABRSox
08-23-2006, 05:41 PM
Ruth is the greatest Yankee ever just for his hitting. The fact that he was also the best lefty of the teens makes him the greatest player ever. I don't believe that there is anyone even close.

His K/BB ratio is terrible. Not that it means anything, he's still the greatest player ever. I just found that interesting.

soxinem1
08-23-2006, 06:21 PM
His K/BB ratio is terrible. Not that it means anything, he's still the greatest player ever. I just found that interesting.

He pitched in an ERA when outs were more important. Cy Young, Lefty Grove, Pete Alexander, Christy Matthewson, etc. all were quite low on the ratio, and struck out very few per nine IP. Even Walter Johnson's K/IP was less than six.

palehozenychicty
08-24-2006, 06:08 AM
George Herman Ruth.

eastchicagosoxfan
08-24-2006, 07:08 AM
He pitched in an ERA when outs were more important. Cy Young, Lefty Grove, Pete Alexander, Christy Matthewson, etc. all were quite low on the ratio, and struck out very few per nine IP. Even Walter Johnson's K/IP was less than six.
Is there a way to measure that stat? Could a useful stat be created: by taking the number of strikeouts throughout the league
dividing by the number of at bats or plate appearances
Or dividing by innings pitched
to get the percentage of outs by strikeout

There would be a league total, say 10%, and an individual pitcher's total, say Walter Johnson recorded 13% of his outs by strikeout, while the league average was only 10%. He would be 3% above the average.

Does this stat exist ( it probably does ) if it doesn't, is there a valid method to determine it? Would it mean anything?

vegyrex
08-24-2006, 02:18 PM
The Babe may have helped the game, but the Yankees won only 4 Series with him, which Di Maggio had after his first four seasons.


But the Yanks were in a total of seven world series overall while he was with them. Before he got there the Yanks had zero world series appearances.

And Yankee Stadium got built because of him.

Railsplitter
08-25-2006, 11:01 AM
Responses to two people:

jortafan, I'm not here to trash anybody. I knew the Babe would win, so I went with Berra so I could show he did more than just a guy who could mangle the English language.

As far as being an icnoclast, fquaye 149, let's say you don't know me very well :wink: