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DickAllen72
08-21-2006, 10:23 PM
Why is our best, most consistent hitter batting fifth? Jermaine Dye won the World Series MVP batting third.

He makes better contact than Thome and you can do more with a guy like him batting third such as the hit and run. For example, Iguchi was a dead duck tonight when Thome struck out. That's one reason why Ozzie doesn't play "smart ball" anymore.

Dye is the hitter I like to see up there when the game is on the line.

Three, four and five should be Dye, Thome, and Konerko respectively. That way you have an awesome R-L-R in the middle and you avoid the situation we have seen many times this season where the opposing manager brings in a Loogie late in the game to face the top of our order, because Pods, Iguchi, and Thome don't hit lefties too well. Dye batting third would break that up as well.

Yes, our starting pitching has been a major problem but still the offense could be improved. Scoring one run like tonight isn't going to cut it.

JB98
08-21-2006, 10:25 PM
Because Dye is having a career year batting fifth, and they don't want to **** with a good thing. Just speculation on my part.

DickAllen72
08-21-2006, 10:27 PM
Because Dye is having a career year batting fifth, and they don't want to **** with a good thing. Just speculation on my part.

Well that's a pretty poor reason.

lakeviewsoxfan
08-21-2006, 10:27 PM
Why is our best, most consistent hitter batting fifth? Jermaine Dye won the World Series MVP batting third.

He makes better contact than Thome and you can do more with a guy like him batting third such as the hit and run. For example, Iguchi was a dead duck tonight when Thome struck out. That's one reason why Ozzie doesn't play "smart ball" anymore.

Dye is the hitter I like to see up there when the game is on the line.

Three, four and five should be Dye, Thome, and Konerko respectively. That way you have an awesome R-L-R in the middle and you avoid the situation we have seen many times this season where the opposing manager brings in a Loogie late in the game to face the top of our order, because Pods, Iguchi, and Thome don't hit lefties too well. Dye batting third would break that up as well.

Yes, our starting pitching has been a major problem but still the offense could be improved. Scoring one run like tonight isn't going to cut it.

Agree.

ShoelessJoeS
08-21-2006, 10:28 PM
Because our lineup goes L, R, L, R, R, L, R, R, R with Thome batting third? But whether Dye bats 3rd, 4th, or 5th is not our biggest problem right now. I just don't think our batting order is that much of a concern.

eurotrash35
08-21-2006, 10:29 PM
I was thinking the same thing tonight too. It's time to accept that Dye is the man.

Frater Perdurabo
08-21-2006, 10:31 PM
I've been thinking a 3-4-5 of Dye, Thome and Konerko would be worth trying as well. Dye is faster than Thome and Konerko, so he can go from first to third on most singles to right (an aspect of hitting that Paulie has mastered this year) and from first to home on most doubles. Dye also has been hitting for a higher average and would thrive in the #3 spot. For those who say "why mess with success," I think Dye would hit even better as the #3 because he'd see better pitches because he'd have Thome and Konerko protecting him!

DickAllen72
08-21-2006, 10:34 PM
Because our lineup goes L, R, L, R, R, L, R, R, R with Thome batting third? But whether Dye bats 3rd, 4th, or 5th is not our biggest problem right now.

So what? With Dye batting third the Sox lineup would go L, R, R, L, R, L, R, R, R. And as I stated, it would prevent the top three from being susceptible to a Loogie coming in late in the game and staying in for all three batters.

And as I wrote in my original post, It's not our biggest problem right now. I stated that the pitching was. Still, it does not mean that Dye batting third isn't an improvement.

eurotrash35
08-21-2006, 10:34 PM
Because our lineup goes L, R, L, R, R, L, R, R, R with Thome batting third? But whether Dye bats 3rd, 4th, or 5th is not our biggest problem right now. I just don't think our batting order is that much of a concern.

If this year with Ozzie going off the deep end with matchups hasn't completely cured you of ever thinking that making it a big consideration is worth more than a bag of **** in a microwave I don't think anything ever will. Dye is far and away the best hitter on this team and it's a joke he's in the 5 slot. If I have to see him lead off another inning after a Konerko strikeout I'm going to choke myself to death.

digdagdug23
08-21-2006, 10:36 PM
I was thinking the same thing tonight too. It's time to accept that Dye is the man.

Oh, I accepted this long ago. :redneck See the sig.

WhiteSox1983
08-21-2006, 10:38 PM
I was thinkin the same thing earlier today after the top of the first.

MarkZ35
08-21-2006, 11:32 PM
There's also been times lately where teams have been sort of pitching around Dye because they don't fear A.J. behind him at all. I think they should move A.J. out of the six spot before they move Dye into the 3 hole.

I want Mags back
08-22-2006, 12:00 AM
interseting pts. didnt think of it that way. It wont happen, but it could be good

greygoose
08-22-2006, 12:09 AM
He isn't stretched out

harwar
08-22-2006, 09:24 AM
It would be nice to have someone in the 3 hole that can make contact.Since the allstar break Thome has 6 homeruns and 13 rbi's and is 4th in the league in strikeouts.
With our starting pitchers getting lit up on an almost nightly basis its imperative that we plate more runs.

lakeviewsoxfan
08-22-2006, 09:36 AM
Nothing will change. It took OG until mid September to move Everett from the 3 hole last year. It is pure stubborness thats all.

Law11
08-22-2006, 09:45 AM
My thought is anywhere past 3 you have gap hitters at the plate in Dye, Crede and AJ (to an extent) do you really want Thome trying to leg out a 1st to home play. Not that Paulie or Dye are setting any speed records either..

Just a thought.

Fake Chet Lemon
08-22-2006, 10:58 AM
Has Thome had a game-changing late inning hit since May? If the answer is no, tough to bat that hitter #3. His walks are valuable though, that's about the only reason to keep him #3. His walks extend innings and get Paul-ee up with a man on base.

eurotrash35
08-22-2006, 12:18 PM
Has Thome had a game-changing late inning hit since May? If the answer is no, tough to bat that hitter #3. His walks are valuable though, that's about the only reason to keep him #3. His walks extend innings and get Paul-ee up with a man on base.

he had that GW HR against the cards. regardless, I'd at least like to see dye and konerko flip. paulie just isn't our best option in that scenario.

slavko
08-22-2006, 12:36 PM
Has Thome had a game-changing late inning hit since May? If the answer is no, tough to bat that hitter #3. His walks are valuable though, that's about the only reason to keep him #3. His walks extend innings and get Paul-ee up with a man on base.

Those three little words. It's the OBP.

sox230
08-22-2006, 12:38 PM
After seeing the Twins bottom of the order with so much speed, and how much pressure they put on the defense if they merely get on base.....its frustrating not being able to see the same thing with the sox.......i say BA needs to steal more. One other thing, is there any way to look up Pods' average in the 1st inning....I would put a wager on .065

itsnotrequired
08-22-2006, 12:42 PM
One other thing, is there any way to look up Pods' average in the 1st inning....I would put a wager on .065

Pods is batting .235 in the first inning.

Kuzman
08-22-2006, 01:26 PM
I've been thinking a 3-4-5 of Dye, Thome and Konerko would be worth trying as well. Dye is faster than Thome and Konerko, so he can go from first to third on most singles to right (an aspect of hitting that Paulie has mastered this year) and from first to home on most doubles. Dye also has been hitting for a higher average and would thrive in the #3 spot. For those who say "why mess with success," I think Dye would hit even better as the #3 because he'd see better pitches because he'd have Thome and Konerko protecting him!

How do you expect JD to go from first to third with Jim Thome hitting 4th? Haven't you seen the shift they put on him?

viagracat
08-22-2006, 01:29 PM
I've been saying that for a long time. The #3 has to be a power and contact hitter; and Dye best defines that. Your #3 shouldn't be leading the team in strikeouts. Thome is a classic clean-up guy. With the always-dangerous Konerko hitting fifth, he still offers protection to Thome if he hits 4th. 3-4-5 are the primo spots in the lineup, and professionals like Dye, Konerko and Thome shouldn't complain if they get moved up or down in those slots.

But Ozzie is stubborn. I don't see the lineup changing.

maurice
08-22-2006, 01:37 PM
I think they should move A.J. out of the six spot before they move Dye into the 3 hole.

You could do both:

1 - Podesednik - L
2 - Iguchi - R
3 - Dye - R
4 - Thome - L
5 - Konerko - R
6 - Crede - R
7 - Pierzynski - L
8 - Uribe - R
9 - Anderson - R

Ol' No. 2
08-22-2006, 01:48 PM
I've been saying that for a long time. The #3 has to be a power and contact hitter; and Dye best defines that. Your #3 shouldn't be leading the team in strikeouts. Thome is a classic clean-up guy. With the always-dangerous Konerko hitting fifth, he still offers protection to Thome if he hits 4th. 3-4-5 are the primo spots in the lineup, and professionals like Dye, Konerko and Thome shouldn't complain if they get moved up or down in those slots.

But Ozzie is stubborn. I don't see the lineup changing.Strikeouts don't really matter that much for a 3-4-5 hitter because the alternative is usually another non-productive out anyway. You want to maximize the opportunities those guys have to hit with runners on base, so you normally put the highest OBP of the three in the #3 spot. Thome may strike out a lot, but he's far and away the leader in BB.

itsnotrequired
08-22-2006, 02:37 PM
Strikeouts don't really matter that much for a 3-4-5 hitter because the alternative is usually another non-productive out anyway. You want to maximize the opportunities those guys have to hit with runners on base, so you normally put the highest OBP of the three in the #3 spot. Thome may strike out a lot, but he's far and away the leader in BB.

Exactly. An out is an out regardless whether it is a strikeout or a pop fly or a grounder. Ol' No. 2 (ever heard of him?:D: ) didn't strike out at all and his career average was only 6 points higher than Thome's. Forget about OBP; Thome leads that by 60 points.

True, you would rather have the guy put the ball in play as there is always the chance for an error but strikeouts are not the problem.

DickAllen72
08-22-2006, 09:46 PM
It's broke, Ozzie. Fix it!!!