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Viva Medias B's
08-21-2006, 08:06 AM
George Brett appears to be voted the "Best Royal Ever" by the skin of his teeth.

Not only do we face the Detroit Tigers tonight, we also get to decide which among them was the greatest ever.

palehozenychicty
08-21-2006, 08:16 AM
Ty Cobb. He was a hall of fame arse as well.

TornLabrum
08-21-2006, 08:27 AM
Can't stand Cobb as a human being, but he was one of the best baseball players ever. He gets my very reluctant vote.

eastchicagosoxfan
08-21-2006, 08:40 AM
I voted for Cobb. I'm starting to believe that he was not the rotten person he has been made out to be. He was hardly a saint, but not the despicable human being he's often portrayed as being. Here's an interesting link to a fellow that has researched Cobb fairly extensively. It makes for interesting reading.
http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=28106

tlebar318
08-21-2006, 09:47 AM
You mean it is not Magglio? :redneck

Seriously, though I would go with Cobb...one of the best to ever play the game even if he was a jerk...

Oblong
08-21-2006, 09:48 AM
I went with Kaline. He was before my time so it wasn't a case of personal bias. It's just that from my readings Cobb didn't want to be in Detroit.

I don't care about the personal stuff. We only know about it because he was so great.

SOXintheBURGH
08-21-2006, 10:16 AM
None of us could stand the son of a bitch when we were alive so we told him to stick it.

Possibly the best player ever.

SOXintheBURGH
08-21-2006, 10:16 AM
I went with Kaline. He was before my time so it wasn't a case of personal bias. It's just that from my readings Cobb didn't want to be in Detroit.

I don't care about the personal stuff. We only know about it because he was so great.

Does anyone want to be in Detroit? :tongue:

Railsplitter
08-21-2006, 11:05 AM
While Cob was certainly a racist and maybe even psychotic, there's ample evidence he was best ballplayer ever. His .367 lifetime batting average better than many batting champs, including both of last year's. In 1909, he not only won a Triple Crown, he led the league in hits, stolen bases and runs scored. Lest you think the less of the homer title because of the dead ball, Cobb could have swung for the fences if he wanted to and in announced he would do just that. In two days, he hit three home runs.

Greenberg was good. He was MVP for the 1940 pennant winners and was drafted early in the 1941 season. The Tigers won thier next pennant in 1945, after Hank was discharged in mid season.

For pitchers, I give Jack Morris an edge over Mickey Lolich.

batmanZoSo
08-21-2006, 11:27 AM
Ty Cobb. The best batting average ever. It's hard to give it to anyone else and there are some fine players to wear that uniform.

Plus he was named after a Soundgarden (http://www.answers.com/topic/down-on-the-upside) song. So he's got that going for him. Which is nice.

:wink:

LuvSox
08-21-2006, 11:28 AM
Gotta go with Cobb, hands down the best Tiger ever.

MadetoOrta
08-21-2006, 11:29 AM
Can I write in Tiger Woods?:cool:

MrRoboto83
08-21-2006, 11:31 AM
I voted Al Kaline

slobes
08-21-2006, 12:04 PM
Ty Cobb was a ridiculous hitter. One of the best ever.

SouthSide_HitMen
08-21-2006, 12:09 PM
Easiest poll yet (next to the Royals).

http://www.baseballantiquities.com/images/BB5.JPG

chisoxfan64
08-21-2006, 12:24 PM
Tyrus Raymond Cobb, the Georgia peach.

viagracat
08-21-2006, 12:27 PM
Cobb, although I hated doing so.

soxinem1
08-21-2006, 12:29 PM
No hitter in any era can eclipse Cobb. He would have been the best on any team.

And no one will ever hit .367 in their career again. He may or may not have been a total ****head, but he drarfs anyone who wore the Tiger uniform.

gobears1987
08-21-2006, 12:32 PM
While he was an *******, I still have to vote for Cobb.

Dan Mega
08-21-2006, 02:52 PM
I have to vote for the Prick himself.

Tiger23
08-21-2006, 03:11 PM
Lest you think the less of the homer title because of the dead ball, Cobb could have swung for the fences if he wanted to and in announced he would do just that. In two days, he hit three home runs.

I have recently done some reading on Cobb, and my source may not have been great so I'll test it here by expanding and correcting this story.

Cobb hated Ruth because of the changes he brought about to the game, and the attention his home run totals got. Finally having had enough, he told people that anyone could hit home runs if they tried, and in two games against the Yankees he would prove it. During these two games, he hit 5 home runs, which is still tied for the major league record for most in a two game span. Afterward he said he was going to back to his old style, having proven his point.

FWIW, Cobb actually led the league and/or battled for the league lead in home runs a few times during his early days, but they were almost exclusively inside the park.

PKalltheway
08-21-2006, 03:40 PM
I have recently done some reading on Cobb, and my source may not have been great so I'll test it here by expanding and correcting this story.

Cobb hated Ruth because of the changes he brought about to the game, and the attention his home run totals got. Finally having had enough, he told people that anyone could hit home runs if they tried, and in two games against the Yankees he would prove it. During these two games, he hit 5 home runs, which is still tied for the major league record for most in a two game span. Afterward he said he was going to back to his old style, having proven his point.

FWIW, Cobb actually led the league and/or battled for the league lead in home runs a few times during his early days, but they were almost exclusively inside the park.
I've heard that story about Cobb trying to hit home runs before. Even though he was a racist bastard, you can't help but to be amazed at his statistics, especially at that story. My vote goes to Cobb.

Oblong
08-21-2006, 03:55 PM
I've only read the Al Stump book and came away thinking he wasn't really a team player. One time he left the team in Chicago because hughie jennings refused to switch rooms with him. Cobb's room was too close to the train station and he couldn't sleep. So he went back to Detroit.

He just kind of reminded me of Barry Bonds in his attitude.

fquaye149
08-21-2006, 06:42 PM
Another No-brainer.

Yeah, we've all seen the movie.

Don't hate the player. Hate the game.

fquaye149
08-21-2006, 06:50 PM
I voted for Cobb. I'm starting to believe that he was not the rotten person he has been made out to be. He was hardly a saint, but not the despicable human being he's often portrayed as being. Here's an interesting link to a fellow that has researched Cobb fairly extensively. It makes for interesting reading.
http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=28106

Wow-- what an interesting essay, especially re: his alleged racism.

Do you know anything about the veracity of the research?

tick53
08-21-2006, 07:04 PM
Can't stand Cobb as a human being, but he was one of the best baseball players ever. He gets my very reluctant vote.

I agree with you Torn, on both counts.

The Racehorse
08-21-2006, 07:08 PM
Mark "The Bird" Fidrych... take that Ty Cobb, you mean spirited waste of oxygen use & food consumer!

Ha ha Ha Ha ha Ha ha Ha!!!

:supernana:

eastchicagosoxfan
08-21-2006, 07:54 PM
Wow-- what an interesting essay, especially re: his alleged racism.

Do you know anything about the veracity of the research?
I really don't know much about the fellow's research. I imagine that a lot of the info can be verified rather easily. He cites sources frequently. His objectivity can certainly be questioned. Is he passing over additional information that contradicts his " thesis?" I haven't the foggiest. But it's a good read.

Chips
08-21-2006, 08:06 PM
Ty Cobb. Greatest ballplayer ever.

SoxFanPrope
08-21-2006, 08:39 PM
Ty Cobb. Greatest ballplayer ever.
http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t040/T040521A.jpg
"What's his pitching record?"

Malgar 12
08-21-2006, 08:40 PM
Tom Brookens!

Grzegorz
08-21-2006, 10:29 PM
Ugh, though it pains me; Cobb...

I want Mags back
08-22-2006, 12:06 AM
voted for the jew:D:

LuvSox
08-22-2006, 12:20 AM
Ty Cobb. Greatest ballplayer ever.

Yes he was. Or is, however you look at it.

SouthSide_HitMen
08-22-2006, 01:36 AM
I voted for Cobb. I'm starting to believe that he was not the rotten person he has been made out to be. He was hardly a saint, but not the despicable human being he's often portrayed as being. Here's an interesting link to a fellow that has researched Cobb fairly extensively. It makes for interesting reading.
http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=28106

Bill James had some similar comments in his baseball abstract.

The movie Cobb is fiction. Cobb wasn't a saint but he wasn't the most evil baseball player either.

There is no dispute as to his greatness on the field. Contemporaries voted for Cobb (98.23%) over Ruth (95.13%) and every other baseball player on the initial (http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/history/hof_voting/year/1936.htm) ballot. Former New York Mets Tom Seaver and Nolan Ryan are the only two players since who garnered higher totals (98.84 & 98.79% respectively).

fquaye149
08-22-2006, 08:32 AM
http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t040/T040521A.jpg
"What's his pitching record?"

I believe it's pretty abysmal. But I wonder what his hitting stats would have been if the Commish juiced the ball during his heyday and the Tigers built a ballpark specifically tailored to his hitting style.

Railsplitter
08-23-2006, 12:37 PM
Cobb hated Ruth because of the changes he brought about to the game, and the attention his home run totals got. Finally having had enough, he told people that anyone could hit home runs if they tried, and in two games against the Yankees he would prove it. During these two games, he hit 5 home runs, which is still tied for the major league record for most in a two game span. Afterward he said he was going to back to his old style, having proven his point.



You're right that Cobb went back to his old ways after that two day homer binge. It slipped my mind when I posted originally

Another fact that slipped as well: Cobb had the highest vote total in the first ever Hall of Fame vote.

LngtimeTigersfan
08-24-2006, 06:55 AM
Couldn't vote on the poll...however...

Best Tiger? Al Kaline.

Favorite Tiger? Norm Cash. Anyone that can come to the plate with a table leg because he couldn't get a hit with a bat has my all time "favorite" vote.

Johnny Mostil
08-24-2006, 08:35 AM
http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t040/T040521A.jpg
"What's his pitching record?"

Minimal, but not really abysmal. Two games, two runs (both earned--ERA 3.60), six hits, five innings pitched . . .