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Frater Perdurabo
08-19-2006, 04:27 PM
Put another way, which Sox players do not seem satisfied with last year's World Series victory? Which seem to be laying it all on the field this year, or live up to the Grinder Rule #1 of "Win or Dye Trying?" Here's who I think are among the hungriest Sox players:

Thome - he desperately wants a ring and his performance shows it
Dye - his OPS with RISP is phenomenal
PK - always plays hard; is the "professional hitter" we've always wanted
Jenks - the fire burns within for more saves and more cheeseburgers
Crede - career year and glove remains best in MLB
Iguchi - genuinely pissed at himself when he K's, but often comes up huge
Buehrle - victimized by QuesTec, he still gives it his all
Anderson - plays hard even when struggling
Ozuna - always hustling and making things happen
Mackowiak - does what Ozzie asks, even if he knows he's not a good CF
A.J. - no one accused Dennis Rodman of being lazy even though he too was a nut

For me, it's hard to tell with Contreras, Cintron, Pods, Garland, Riske, McCarthy, Gload, Thornton, MacDougal and Alomar. Some of them haven't been here long enough or bat/pitch enough for me to assess one way or another. A few others seem to have "cool" personalities, which is OK. At least none of the aforementioned guys are lazy bums like the following Fab Four, who seem to be satisfied with just earning an MLB salary:

Garcia - admits he can't get focused to pitch against lesser opponents
Vazquez - inexcusable and inexplicable since he hasn't won even one ring
Uribe - his rectal-cranial inversion has been examined elsewhere
Cotts - The 2006 pitching equivalent of Royce Clayton (Mr. Perfect Fielding Percentage); he lets inherited runners to score since they don't affect his ERA

StockdaleForVeep
08-19-2006, 04:32 PM
Put another way, which Sox players do not seem satisfied with last year's World Series victory? Which seem to be laying it all on the field this year, or live up to the Grinder Rule #1 of "Win or Dye Trying?" Here's who I think are among the hungriest Sox players:

Thome - he desperately wants a ring and his performance shows it
Dye - his OPS with RISP is phenomenal
PK - always plays hard; is the "professional hitter" we've always wanted
Jenks - the fire burns within for more saves and more cheeseburgers
Crede - career year and glove remains best in MLB
Iguchi - genuinely pissed at himself when he K's, but often comes up huge
Buehrle - victimized by QuesTec, he still gives it his all
Anderson - plays hard even when struggling
Ozuna - always hustling and making things happen
Mackowiak - does what Ozzie asks, even if he knows he's not a good CF
A.J. - no one accused Dennis Rodman of being lazy even though he too was a nut

For me, it's hard to tell with Contreras, Cintron, Pods, Garland, Riske, McCarthy, Gload, Thornton, MacDougal and Alomar. Some of them haven't been here long enough or bat/pitch enough for me to assess one way or another. A few others seem to have "cool" personalities, which is OK. At least none of the aforementioned guys are lazy bums like the following Fab Four, who seem to be satisfied with just earning an MLB salary:

Garcia - admits he can't get focused to pitch against lesser opponents
Vazquez - inexcusable and inexplicable since he hasn't won even one ring
Uribe - his rectal-cranial inversion has been examined elsewhere
Cotts - The 2006 pitching equivalent of Royce Clayton (Mr. Perfect Fielding Percentage); he lets inherited runners to score since they don't affect his ERA

Iguchi is always like that, thats just his work ethic
I vote AJ

Timmy D's
08-19-2006, 04:38 PM
Man that's a tough, tough question!! Gun to my head, I would say Crede. How many games have we just been out of and he's divin makin double saving plays down the line, or crackin' solo homers, or foulin pitches off, and crackin a base hit. Same could be said for Guch to, but I'll give it to Joe. He seems to just consistently fly under the radar of greatness.

0o0o0
08-19-2006, 04:39 PM
Ozuna, Mack, AJ, Thome

viagracat
08-19-2006, 04:52 PM
If anyone has can use the excuse "been there and done that"; it's Dye. He won the WS MVP after all. But he brings it to the ballpark every night. It's a tough call between him and Gooch, although I think FP pretty much nailed it with all the "hungry" players.

On the other end, how can a major league starting pitcher sometimes not have his head in the game; as Garcia has pretty much admitted? Ozzie has to be more disgusted with that than we'll ever know.

digdagdug23
08-19-2006, 04:52 PM
I could be totally off-base here, but my feeling is, until you walk a mile in their shoes, you have no real idea.

We hear things through the media, and question the desire and 'heart' of some of the players, (not just on our team) and it makes you wonder what is really going on in the heads of these boys. But as my Dad always said, unless you hear the WHOLE conversation, direct from the person in question, don't believe a word of it. Just because you 'think' someone isn't doing everything they can to win a ballgame, doesn't mean they aren't, it's just your perception.

I have a t-shirt that says "I don't have an attitude problem, you have a perception problem." And herein lies the problem. If there truly is a problem with players not going above and beyond, I have total faith that they will not be with this team next year.

caulfield12
08-19-2006, 04:54 PM
Ozuna for me, Crede, AJ, Konerko, Thome, Dye, Mackowiak, Jenks

0o0o0
08-19-2006, 04:57 PM
I could be totally off-base here, but my feeling is, until you walk a mile in their shoes, you have no real idea.

Good point. I just based my picks on perceived attitude and hustle.

CommanderPudge72
08-19-2006, 05:20 PM
Fisk.....that is why he is the only player I feel comfortable in plunking down the cash for authentic jerseys for.

You gotta love a guy who will call out Neon Primetime Jag Deon on the field for not running out a ball.....forever my Sox hero.


As far as this year's team....I would have to go with Thome, Konerko and Crede.....Iguchi and Uribe have had mental lapses in the field that may have to do with effort and concentration.....

Cotts and Javy should be OUTTA here.

ChiSoxFan7
08-19-2006, 05:24 PM
anderson just beacuse he was doing bad and knew that if he didn't hustle and have that fure he would be quickly removed by the fans if not that manager.

digdagdug23
08-19-2006, 05:31 PM
Fisk.....that is why he is the only player I feel comfortable in plunking down the cash for authentic jerseys for.

You gotta love a guy who will call out Neon Primetime Jag Deon on the field for not running out a ball.....forever my Sox hero.

Agreed. Gotta love the 'real' Pudge.

monkeypants
08-19-2006, 08:58 PM
:jenks:

"I'm always hungry."

:bcolon

"Me too."

Frater Perdurabo
08-19-2006, 09:00 PM
After watching his gutsy performance tonight, I think that despite his "cool" demeanor, Garland is hungry for another World Championship.

JB98
08-19-2006, 09:13 PM
After watching his gutsy performance tonight, I think that despite his "cool" demeanor, Garland is hungry for another World Championship.

You bet. Jon is carrying this pitching staff and has been for the last six weeks. The man is 32-14 the last two years. I shudder to think where we'd be without him.

voodoochile
08-19-2006, 09:14 PM
After watching his gutsy performance tonight, I think that despite his "cool" demeanor, Garland is hungry for another World Championship.

:jon
"I was going to say... Where's the love?"

voodoochile
08-19-2006, 09:15 PM
You bet. Jon is carrying this pitching staff and has been for the last six weeks. The man is 32-14 the last two years. I shudder to think where we'd be without him.
Say he wins 4 more games this season. Does 18-4 get him in the CY running?

slobes
08-19-2006, 11:07 PM
2 players come to mind here.

1) Thome I think is the biggest hustler on the team on the basepaths, but I think it goes unnoticed a lot of the time because he's not exactly speedy. In today's game, he legged out that double completely on his own. Baines wasn't waving him to 2nd--he knew he could get there, so he hustled his butt off and made it. He ended up scoring. Even on grounders to 2nd base, Thome still motors to first base as fast as he can.

2) I have never seen Konerko try to pull the ball after Thome hits a leadoff double. Not ONCE. He doesn't care at all that it goes into his batting average as an out--he knows what's best for the team so he gets it done.

TheOldRoman
08-20-2006, 01:20 AM
I disagree with you putting Vazquez on the bottom list. What do you want from him, fist pumping and dancing after strikeouts? Vazquez wants to do well. He was very upset with himself after giving up the grand slam to Monroe. He was pissed at himself after other bad starts. He never blamed anyone else, and he said publicly that he was not pleased with his starts. You can say he should have been a lot better than he has, but you can't question his desire just because he hasn't been able to put it together yet.

PeteWard
08-20-2006, 07:44 AM
Crede, Crede, Crede.

The Heart of this team.

cheezheadsoxfan
08-20-2006, 08:18 AM
Another vote for Crede. He's kinda quite and flies under the radar but he never seems to give up in a game and his defense just gets better and better.

Also agreed with The Old Roman on Vasquez. He looks like he really takes it to heart when he's struggling and really worries about letting the team down. Not like Freddy with his "no offense" whining.

southside rocks
08-20-2006, 11:09 AM
Several players, but I notice Konerko the most. It seems like you can see him willing himself to hit -- or just move the runner along -- in key situations. He really is an excellent team captain: he leads by example.

It'd be easier to say which players don't appear to be hungry (and of course that might just be their demeanor and not their real attitude) -- right away, Juan Uribe and Freddy Garcia come to mind.

southside rocks
08-20-2006, 11:12 AM
Fisk.....that is why he is the only player I feel comfortable in plunking down the cash for authentic jerseys for.

You gotta love a guy who will call out Neon Primetime Jag Deon on the field for not running out a ball.....forever my Sox hero.

One of my favorite shots in the intro video is Fisk tagging out the two Yankees -- bang bang -- at the plate.

Carlton Fisk was and is a class act.

CommanderPudge72
08-20-2006, 05:55 PM
One of my favorite shots in the intro video is Fisk tagging out the two Yankees -- bang bang -- at the plate.

Carlton Fisk was and is a class act.

That was one of the most exciting plays I have ever seen in baseball...you can have your Torii Hunter running into a baggy in center....Give me that Fisk play anyday.

Darn, still gives me excited chills 18 years later.

jenn2080
08-20-2006, 06:05 PM
Garland with out a doubt. He is awesome this season give or take one or two bad outings.

chisoxfanatic
08-20-2006, 06:14 PM
Pitchers: Garland, Contreras, Jenks

Hitters: Crede, Dye, Konerko

Grzegorz
08-20-2006, 06:52 PM
I am not sure how one measures hunger or desire. I'd measure a team by its mental toughness. Does it make the routine play? Does it run the bases intelligently, Does it move the runners via the sacrifice? Does the starting staff overcome less than advantageous breaks against them?

At some point in the the one or all of these components has gone missing on the White Sox.

Frater Perdurabo
08-20-2006, 07:16 PM
I am not sure how one measures hunger or desire. I'd measure a team by its mental toughness. Does it make the routine play? Does it run the bases intelligently, Does it move the runners via the sacrifice? Does the starting staff overcome less than advantageous breaks against them?

At some point in the the one or all of these components has gone missing on the White Sox.

I think your standards of measurement for "mental toughness" are similar to mine for "hunger," although I also would try to measure the extent to which a player "hustles." For example, Uribe demonstrated that he really can hustle when he leaped into the stands in Houston to catch the second out in the bottom of the ninth inning of Game 4. He has not come anywhere close to that level of "hunger" or "hustle" this year.

whitesoxwilkes
08-20-2006, 07:37 PM
Say he wins 4 more games this season. Does 18-4 get him in the CY running?
In the running? Probably. But with that ERA (or even .5 or so lower), not likely he finishes top 3.

But you can't help but be impressed with the way he's turned his season around. Remember when he was on pace to eclipse the HR allowed record by the All-Sat break?

beckett21
08-20-2006, 07:45 PM
But you can't help but be impressed with the way he's turned his season around. Remember when he was on pace to eclipse the HR allowed record by the All-Sat break?
:jon

Eat it and like it, haters. :cool:

Jurr
08-20-2006, 08:32 PM
I don't know if there's a player on the team that doesn't 'want' to win or isn't "hungry". It sucks that in baseball, your desire to perform well can actually keep you from doing what you intended. Trying too hard out there doesn't get it, which it helps in any other sport.

Perfect example. Brian Anderson. You don't think that kid goes home every night and studies film to get right? He always talks about trying so hard to hit better. It takes being comfortable in your trade to get really proficient.

So, someone's going to say that Javy Vazquez isn't hungry because he isn't getting the best results? Uribe? Meh.

In football, you want it more, and you'll maybe run a little harder to get under that ball. Basketball, you might play harder defense.

Baseball is a thinking man's game, and being overly pumped does nothing but hurt. Now, if you're talking about a player's hunger by how much he reads up on pitchers/hitters, etc, well that's another story.

But, since you don't know that, the only "hungry" arguement goes out the window.

beckett21
08-20-2006, 08:57 PM
I don't know if there's a player on the team that doesn't 'want' to win or isn't "hungry". It sucks that in baseball, your desire to perform well can actually keep you from doing what you intended. Trying too hard out there doesn't get it, which it helps in any other sport.

Perfect example. Brian Anderson. You don't think that kid goes home every night and studies film to get right? He always talks about trying so hard to hit better. It takes being comfortable in your trade to get really proficient.

So, someone's going to say that Javy Vazquez isn't hungry because he isn't getting the best results? Uribe? Meh.

In football, you want it more, and you'll maybe run a little harder to get under that ball. Basketball, you might play harder defense.

Baseball is a thinking man's game, and being overly pumped does nothing but hurt. Now, if you're talking about a player's hunger by how much he reads up on pitchers/hitters, etc, well that's another story.

But, since you don't know that, the only "hungry" arguement goes out the window.

I have to agree with you here.

Nobody on the team that I can see is 'dogging it'. Garcia's recent comments notwithstanding, the guys all appear to be putting out their maximum effort. Unfortunately, that does not always translate into results.

To put this season's performance into proper perspective, the Sox currently have a .593 winning percentage, which extrapolates out to a 96-win season. Not too shabby. With a few breaks 100 wins is still a possibility.

The team has played well overall. Tip your cap to the Tigers for the season they have had up to this point, because if not for that the Sox record would look a whole lot better to everybody. The Tigers have just been on a different level all season.

The season is not over yet, either. Not by a longshot. A division title is still within the Sox' reach. The next 6 weeks will separate the contenders from the pretenders. The Sox won't go down without a fight. That much you can count on.

CommanderPudge72
08-20-2006, 09:57 PM
Speaking of Fisk, I wonder how he would handle the Red Sox's "Big Pappi" and Manny posing after every home run.....now that would be interesting.

miker
08-21-2006, 06:57 PM
I can't argue with any of this analysis. One thing I would like to see (and maybe it is happening and we just don't know about it) is some kind of "Win It for Thome" thing, like when the (already talented) Colorado Avalanche won the Stanley Cup with/for Ray Bourque at the end of his career. (That's a hockey reference for those of you who's sports knowledge is limited by the contemporary sports media.)

Frater Perdurabo
08-21-2006, 06:59 PM
I can't argue with any of this analysis. One thing I would like to see (and maybe it is happening and we just don't know about it) is some kind of "Win It for Thome" thing, like when the (already talented) Colorado Avalanche won the Stanley Cup with/for Ray Bourque at the end of his career. (That's a hockey reference for those of you who's sports knowledge is limited by the contemporary sports media.)

I too think "Win it for Thome" is a great idea.

But they could go one better and add "Win it despite Vazquez and Cotts." :redneck