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Flight #24
08-18-2006, 12:09 PM
Beginning with today's DH, 5 games between really the only 2 teams that matter in the sport.

My preference: A 5-game sweep by the Yanks. Knock the Carmines out of the race. The Yanks are going to win that division anyway, so might as well get some use out of it.

Red Sox throwing out all the stops by starting Jason Johnson and Jon Lester today.:rolleyes:

gobears1987
08-18-2006, 12:10 PM
ESPN will be unwatchable for 4 days. I think the Twinkie-White Sox series is by far the more important and exciting one. **** the Blow Sawx and Skankees.

Mr.1Dog
08-18-2006, 12:15 PM
I am starting to not really care about the coverage of the Red Sox and Yankees. Let ESPN do what they have to do. Even though the Sox and Twins and the Yanks/Saux series are important, let them cover the Yanks and Saux. We haven't had too much success on ESPN. As for the Yankees sweeping, I don't think they will sweep. The Saux will take 2 of the 5. With that being said, I believe we will take 2 of 3, hopefully another sweep is in order.

viagracat
08-18-2006, 12:17 PM
ESPN will be unwatchable for 4 days. I think the Twinkie-White Sox series is by far the more important and exciting one. **** the Blow Sawx and Skankees.

Then don't watch ESPN. Although the series does have huge implications for the Sox. So maybe tune in, put it on "mute" and hear some good jazz. :smile:

I agree with the other poster, might as well see the Yankees take care of business and put the Red Sox out of their misery. Getting to the playoffs is all the White Sox need to worry about right now; and I agree New York is far more likely to win the division than Boston. So... --choke--gasp---aackkk!!...go Yanks.

Never thought I'd say that. :o:

spiffie
08-18-2006, 12:28 PM
I am given to understand this series is in fact the modern day version of Athens vs. Sparta.

Foulke You
08-18-2006, 12:40 PM
My preference would be for the Red Sox to win all 5 sending the Yankees into a huge tailspin that knocks them completely out of the division and wild card race. I can't stand the Yankees and just can't bring myself to root for them. I have a feeling the Red Sox will probably end up taking 3 of 5 in this series because they do play much better at Fenway Park than on the road.

Biggest series of the year for the Red Sox and they throw Jason Johnson (3W-11L 6.48 E.R.A.) in game 1? Don't they have anyone in their farm system better that that guy? Yikes.

Foulke You
08-18-2006, 12:43 PM
Also, I do enjoy watching the games between these two teams because the fans are into every pitch and the teams just don't like each other. It's usually exciting baseball HOWEVER, I absolutely cannot stand the ridiculous amount of hype these Bos/NY series get. ESPN is having a special 1 hour baseball tonight pre game show just for this game. :mad:

RowanDye
08-18-2006, 12:43 PM
I just heard David Ortiz on an ESPN interview say about his relationship with Manny... "We feel each other up, we hold each other."

I don't mean to insinuate anything here, b/c I know Ortiz has kids.

But what could he possibly have been meaning to say that got lost in translation there?

Madvora
08-18-2006, 12:46 PM
The way I look at a series like this is that if the Sox win their games, they'll gain ground on somebody they need to gain ground on.

drewcifer
08-18-2006, 12:49 PM
I also think these will make for some entertaining games. Hopefully A-Rod commits a few more screwups.

Watching the replay from yesterday's game, I swear I could actually see Jeter wish death on him over that botched pop-up....

Anyway, I really don't have a preference as far as who takes the series.... I'd root for the BoSox if I had to pick one....

Lip Man 1
08-18-2006, 12:59 PM
Red Sox / Yankees.

Yawn...

I live west of the Allegheny Mountains...I don't care.

Lip

thomas35forever
08-18-2006, 01:13 PM
Why must they give us a one-hour special about this? Does anybody outside the Northeast really care? My guess is no.

Scottiehaswheels
08-18-2006, 01:26 PM
I hope the Carmines take 3 of the 5... both teams would have 72 wins... let them beat up on one another and if need be we can then take the wild card with ease... I still think this division is ours...

CLR01
08-18-2006, 01:27 PM
I am shocked that ESPN is only playing two games this weekend. You figure this right here is their dream, 5 Ny-Bos games in 3 days. They could show the world how great it would be for MLB to consist only of the Yanks and Saux playing a 181 game series for the title. :drool:


:puking:

caulfield12
08-18-2006, 01:34 PM
ESPN has three games this weekend, ending Monday. Fox has the Saturday afternoon match-up.

Is there anyone here who doesn't want the Yankees to crush them?

By the way, I don't think it was so smart to start Johnson first. I would have gone with Lester in Game 1 to try to get on the board right away.

sox1970
08-18-2006, 01:40 PM
I hope the Carmines take 3 of the 5... both teams would have 72 wins... let them beat up on one another and if need be we can then take the wild card with ease... I still think this division is ours...

Seeing that one of the two will make the playoffs, I'd much rather see the Yankees win all 5. If the Yankees and White Sox win all weekend, it will be very difficult for the White Sox not to win the wildcard.

sox1970
08-18-2006, 01:41 PM
Does anybody outside the Northeast really care? My guess is no.

I care, but only because it impacts the White Sox.

Chicken Dinner
08-18-2006, 01:43 PM
May a nor'easter blow in and rain out all 5 games, ruin ESPN's ratings, and blackout the whole east coast.

caulfield12
08-18-2006, 01:45 PM
I wonder if someone ever said that on the message boards before "The Perfect Storm" materialized? Oops...

areilly
08-18-2006, 01:52 PM
You know, at least in the pre-2004 WS days there was a slight element of human drama to these games. A very slight element - the absolute slightest - but at least there was as much tension on the field as there was in the stands.

Nowadays, what's left? With Bronson Arroyo gone, is there anyone on the BoSox that Alex Rodriguez would dare pick a fight with? You think for a second that Chien-Ming Wang is going to hit Manny in the head? Will Bobby Abreu and Coco Crisp be throwing down in the tunnel before, during, and after the game?

These two teams are just so lame now. Hired guns and mercenaries all up and down both rosters, and their collective World Series drought is eight years.

Talk about intense.

cbotnyse
08-18-2006, 01:56 PM
ESPN will be unwatchable for 4 days. I think the Twinkie-White Sox series is by far the more important and exciting one. **** the Blow Sawx and Skankees.yeah some moron on ESPN today says, "get ready for this historic series between the Yanks and Sox" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Someone please tell me what is so historic about it? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

mccoydp
08-18-2006, 02:38 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14366786/

Gosh, I had no idea that these two series were the be-all, end-all of the baseball season.

This article is a piece of garbage, right down to the last paragraph. Celzic's sports world doesn't extend beyond the northeast.

DumpJerry
08-18-2006, 02:44 PM
yeah some moron on ESPN today says, "get ready for this historic series between the Yanks and Sox" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Someone please tell me what is so historic about it? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
The ad revenues ESPN gets from these games will result in historically high bonuses for ESPN execs this year.

Flight #24
08-18-2006, 02:52 PM
Allow me to take this opportunity to yet again thank Kenny Williams for making sure that my team is not worrying about starting a guy like Jason Johnson in any game this season.

It's always interesting to me how "genius" GMs like Theo still dont appear to grasp the obvious - "it's the pitching, stupid".

(Oh, I guess he did - after all, he's got Clement, Wells, Johnson........:rolleyes: )

CYGarland20
08-18-2006, 02:52 PM
A 5 game sweep by the Yanks is what I'd like to see. Dont forget we also have to travel to Boston for 3 next month, it would be a good thing if we had a nice 6-7 game lead over them in the WC when this happens. Also we don't play the YAnks anymore so they cant make up ground against us personally.

DumpJerry
08-18-2006, 02:53 PM
Say what you want about the ESPN bias, but they did put the Sox back at Number One in the power rankings this week.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/powerranking

CYGarland20
08-18-2006, 02:55 PM
Say what you want about the ESPN bias, but they did put the Sox back at Number One in the power rankings this week.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/powerranking After splitting with KC at home I'm sure we will lose that position next time they update it.

lumpyspun
08-18-2006, 02:55 PM
Say what you want about the ESPN bias, but they did put the Sox back at Number One in the power rankings this week.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/powerranking

Some 20 year old intern just got fired b/c when he was making that list he typed "white" instead of "red" in the number one slot.:D:

DumpJerry
08-18-2006, 02:59 PM
After splitting with KC at home I'm sure we will lose that position next time they update it.
Nope. They mentioned the split and said it made them waver a little bit, but still decided we're number one.

However, I think Lumpyspun is right, some college intern is on the bricks right now........

Jerko
08-18-2006, 03:44 PM
Red Sox are gettin red cheeks right now. 8-3 Yankees.

nysox35
08-18-2006, 03:51 PM
May a nor'easter blow in and rain out all 5 games, ruin ESPN's ratings, and blackout the whole east coast.

Hey, Not Cool!
:tongue:

Oblong
08-18-2006, 03:57 PM
I remember a Richard Roeper column a few years ago where he was ripping on Red Sox nation for overdoing it. He said something to the effect of, paraphrasing "I was watching the fans and celebrities talk about their joy at winning the WS finally after all th heart break and I swear to God you would have thought it was World War II veterans talking about their lost brothers in battle"

caulfield12
08-18-2006, 04:02 PM
I don't think Mr. Damon is included in the "Band of Brothers" of Red Sox Nation anymore.

Saw a little kid whose jersey was manipulated to read "Demon$" instead of Damon.

Is anyone else anxiously awaiting the "Outside the Lines" post-game special w/ Jeremy Schaap. I remember when he tried to interview Knight, that was funny. Knight made some funny comments about how he couldn't carry his dad's jockstrap as a reporter.

zmz723
08-18-2006, 04:28 PM
cant wait for the outside the lines show featuring the yankees/redsox rivalry. :rolleyes:

zmz723
08-18-2006, 04:48 PM
over 200 pitches for red sox pitchers today :o:

Fenway
08-18-2006, 04:49 PM
I am given to understand this series is in fact the modern day version of Athens vs. Sparta.

Of course it is.

I'm driving the wife crazy as since with Slingbox I can watch the Red Sox on my laptop I decided to bring with me at the last minute as checked baggage and as I type am watching on a wifi connection in a Galway pub to the amusement of the locals. Slingbox is amazing and I have to assume 100% legal as it is sold by Circuit City and Best Buy.

I am disgusted at how Francoma chose to use the pitching staff today. Johnson was bad enough but then to follow with Kyle Snyder?????

The second game is on cable at 1 AM Irish time, I should be in great shape tomorrow. :tongue:
http://www.nasn.com/content/nasn/portal.nsf?open&region=ie

gbergman
08-18-2006, 05:20 PM
Red Sox lose :bandance: :bandance: . Hopefully the Yankees win the next 4

MarySwiss
08-18-2006, 05:22 PM
cant wait for the outside the lines show featuring the yankees/redsox rivalry. :rolleyes:

Well, the Yanks/Sawk strokefest referred to above is on now, and it has accomplished the impossible.

Making me long for Around the Horn. :o:

mcfish
08-18-2006, 05:31 PM
These two teams are just so lame now. Hired guns and mercenaries all up and down both rosters, and their collective World Series drought is eight years.How's that again? Are you really counting 1 year for the BoSox and 7 years for the Yankees and getting 8 and trying to make that sound like a long drought? 8 Years? That's nothing. The rest of your post made sense, but you killed it at the end.

MadetoOrta
08-18-2006, 05:38 PM
Just got back from Beantown. Trust me, that town is more rabid than any. 50+ year old men all over town going to work in suits, briefcases and Red Sox hats on. By the way, 100% of them have big respect for the Chi Sox and little love for the cubs. The fact that ESPN goes overboard isn't their fault. Their fans love that team - as we do except there's only one team in town.

True story: took the "Duck Tour" down the Charles River when the driver says [tongue firmly in cheek] something about my family and I [all kids wearing White Sox hats] and how great it is to have cubs fans from Chicago here. My 14 year old daughter jumped up "We hate the Cubs! Go Sox! WHITE SOX!" A little old lady looks at me and asks "is that how it is in Chicago?" I replied "You bet. Most Chicagoans are Sox fans." Just representing in Beantown baby!

caulfield12
08-18-2006, 06:17 PM
2 years for Red Sox, 6 years for Yankees

areilly
08-18-2006, 06:56 PM
How's that again? Are you really counting 1 year for the BoSox and 7 years for the Yankees and getting 8 and trying to make that sound like a long drought? 8 Years? That's nothing. The rest of your post made sense, but you killed it at the end.

I meant that the collective drought of a meager eight years eliminates any sense of these head-to-head games having some kind of grand-scale significance, i.e. no one is looking for payback from 80-something years ago. That the two teams have both won quite recently only adds to the lameness created by the fact that their teams are the product of overpaying, outbidding, and flat-out cannibalizing the free-agent market.

So no, I wasn't trying to make that sound like a long time. Quite a short one, in fact.

Flight #24
08-19-2006, 12:02 AM
FWIW, in the nightcap, the awesome BloSawx 'pen just turned a 3 run lead into a 4 run deficit. Yup, 7 in the 7th. Spanks up 14-10 bottom 7.

Boston - they gawn. Sox got to beat out the Twinks, unfortunately they missed a golen opportunity tonight, got to get it done tomorrow.

Fenway
08-19-2006, 10:59 AM
Longest 9 inning game ever :?:

mood in Beantown is grim

In one of the ugliest and most painful twin bills in the long history of the ancient yard, the Red Sox were swept by the Yankees, 12-4 and 14-11, at Fenway yesterday-today. It took more than eight hours to play the 18 sloppy innings. Game 2 was officially the longest nine-inning game in major league history (4 hours 45 minutes) and ended at 12:52 a.m. Parents with children who were still there at the end should be reported to DSS. Game films will not be stored in Cooperstown.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/08/19/these_performances_difficult_to_watch/

Lyle Mouton
08-19-2006, 01:01 PM
hahahah, I was there for that dreadful second game...the mood was pretty grim...after that 7 run inning, I saw one guy charge at a huge metal trash can and stomp out of the park...kinda amusing

I did see a little girl decked out in a Crede shirt and a Sox WS hat, though

Oh, and I stayed to the very end

Fenway
08-19-2006, 01:17 PM
Who was the genius that decided to let this clown throw out the first ball at Fenway

Good Gawd
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/photo?slug=r4001684472&prov=reuters

gbergman
08-19-2006, 01:21 PM
Who was the genius that decided to let this clown throw out the first ball at Fenway

Good Gawd
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/photo?slug=r4001684472&prov=reuters
maybe he donated a lot of money to the jimmy fund

Fenway
08-19-2006, 02:25 PM
maybe he donated a lot of money to the jimmy fund

Actually I read that last night during the Jimmy Fund radiothon on WEEI he was in the booth with Joe and Jerry and they said that they were 60K away from their goal and he replied "not anymore" and gave a check for 60k on the spot.

Other donors of note
Bud Selig 35K
George Steinbrenner 10K
Roger Clemens 21K
Jeremy Jacobs 25K
William Wirtz 15K
JR 10K

One of the great moments of the 1999 All Star Game was when Ted Williams met "Jimmy" before the game. :smile:

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/07-99/07-10-99/c01sp089.htm

Paulwny
08-19-2006, 02:29 PM
.

Other donors of note
Bud Selig 35K
George Steinbrenner 10K
Roger Clemens 21K
Jeremy Jacobs 25K
William Wirtz 15K
JR 10K



Clemens > King George, AMAZING !!!!!

Fenway
08-19-2006, 02:36 PM
Clemens > King George, AMAZING !!!!!

don't forget Dollar Bill :smile:

Dana Farber takes anyone with or without insurance from all over the country. WEEI was running a promo for the radiothon where a nurse says when they get a young child as a patient their goal is to get them on a school bus at least one time. People there are angels

http://www.jimmyfund.org/

MadetoOrta
08-19-2006, 02:40 PM
Good to see former White Sox, Red Sox and A's infielder Mike Andrews is the chairman of the Jimmy Fund. Remember the World Series fiasco re Mike Andrews when he was on the As?

Fenway
08-19-2006, 02:47 PM
Good to see former White Sox, Red Sox and A's infielder Mike Andrews is the chairman of the Jimmy Fund. Remember the World Series fiasco re Mike Andrews when he was on the As?

Mike is a great guy :smile:

I am proud to have this as a license plate
http://www.jimmyfund.org/abo/red/images/abo_jfsoxplate.jpg

gets a little dicey in da Bronx though

3-0 NYY next all star game some hitter should hire Beckett for the Home Run Derby

edit 4-3 Boston Unit implodes

*$%#^& Beckett 5-4 NYY

http://www.fatherbrowne.com/IMAGES/Titanic/p%20rear%20view.jpg

jdm2662
08-19-2006, 03:43 PM
It's good to know these two fine teams are showing great display of pitching...

DSpivack
08-19-2006, 04:01 PM
With the way Boston and New York are playing, I can't wait for the White Sox-Tigers ALCS! :cool:

EDIT: And Boston implodes again. 10-5 Bronx. 24 innings, 36 runs. Nice pitching staff, Theo.

Fenway
08-19-2006, 04:38 PM
With the way Boston and New York are playing, I can't wait for the White Sox-Tigers ALCS! :cool:

EDIT: And Boston implodes again. 10-5 Bronx. 24 innings, 36 runs. Nice pitching staff, Theo.

to my White Sox friends you now have only one team to worry about for the Wild Card

Theo gambled that the young arms would hold up in August and September and now it is obvious they have NOTHING left. Could they turn things around? Ya maybe, but I have watched a lot of baseball and I don't see anything right now that indicates that they can right this ship. It is obvious now they are banking on 2007 and 2008 as they did NOTHING to try and improve the 2006 team. NOTHING



http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/add-fork-to-pig.gif


The Red Sox are done :whiner:

The North American Sports Network just switched to the Cubs game after the Yankees made it 13-5

Ziggy S
08-19-2006, 05:14 PM
to my White Sox friends you now have only one team to worry about for the Wild Card

Theo gambled that the young arms would hold up in August and September and now it is obvious they have NOTHING left. Could they turn things around? Ya maybe, but I have watched a lot of baseball and I don't see anything right now that indicates that they can right this ship. It is obvious now they are banking on 2007 and 2008 as they did NOTHING to try and improve the 2006 team. NOTHING



http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/add-fork-to-pig.gif


The Red Sox are done :whiner:



I'd have to disagree with you a little bit there, fenway. The trades with the Marlilns looked pretty one-sided in favor of your guys when it happened. Beckett is going through his first tour in the only Major League right now, Alex Gonzalez is a smooth fielder, if not a consistent hitter, and Mike Lowell has been a pleasant surprise (I'd still take Crede over him, but he would got the nod over Pay-Rod). Now, if Josh doesn't step up his game next season, then the deal is a flop as far as improving the Carmines' rotation.

ChiSoxRowand
08-19-2006, 06:28 PM
to my White Sox friends you now have only one team to worry about for the Wild Card

Theo gambled that the young arms would hold up in August and September and now it is obvious they have NOTHING left. Could they turn things around? Ya maybe, but I have watched a lot of baseball and I don't see anything right now that indicates that they can right this ship. It is obvious now they are banking on 2007 and 2008 as they did NOTHING to try and improve the 2006 team. NOTHING



http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/add-fork-to-pig.gif


The Red Sox are done :whiner:

The North American Sports Network just switched to the Cubs game after the Yankees made it 13-5

Josh Beckett is awful, he is still living off of that 2003 postseason. Red Sox are really regretting letting Pedro go and getting guys like clement and beckett.

caulfield12
08-19-2006, 06:37 PM
On SportsCenter, one of smart alecks made a joke about Patriots season being all people in New England had to look forward to...lol.

I wouldn't count out the Red Sox yet, not unless Schilling AND Wells each go down Sunday and Monday.

Yes, is there anyone who wouldn't trade Garcia for Beckett straight up, no money going back and forth? Only difference being Beckett's salary extension going two additional years. I would love to see what Coop could do with Beckett and surrounded by some of the other veterans on this staff.

1951Campbell
08-19-2006, 10:52 PM
*cough* Boston Massacre, 2006 Edition *cough*

For one shining year, Fenway, you cast off all the old mythology, and boom! back to the same old bull****. :?:

SOXfnNlansing
08-20-2006, 12:07 AM
I love Ted Williams

MadetoOrta
08-20-2006, 12:28 AM
It's way too early to write off the Red Sox. Seriously, do the White Sox look like a team ready to take command of the Wild Card? Please. They barely split at home with the Royals. The Twins? Personally, I think they are average and without Liriano will soon fade. The last team standing for the Wild Card may win it by default. No one looks like they want to take it.

gbergman
08-21-2006, 12:47 AM
YES! Derek Jeter just tied it up for the yankees. Lets go Yanks.

CLR01
08-21-2006, 12:52 AM
YES! Derek Jeter just tied it up for the yankees. Lets go Yanks.


Did Papelbon blow another one? So sad. :whiner:

DSpivack
08-21-2006, 12:54 AM
I feel dirty rooting for the Yankees.

DSpivack
08-21-2006, 12:55 AM
Yankees gave up the DH? :?:

house215
08-21-2006, 12:57 AM
*** was that giambi?

gbergman
08-21-2006, 01:16 AM
8-5 Yankees Posada HR:bandance:

DSpivack
08-21-2006, 01:16 AM
Bah hah. Giambi HRs, Posada just hit a 2-run shot. 8-5 Bronx.

DSpivack
08-21-2006, 01:18 AM
"Let's Go Yankees" chant heard at Fenway. :o:

gf2020
08-21-2006, 01:22 AM
Wow. Right befored the All Star break, these guys looked unstoppable. Papelbon has lost all of mystique and Josh Beckett has been exposed as not nearly as good as people thought he was.

SOXintheBURGH
08-21-2006, 01:24 AM
I am enjoying this ever so much.

house215
08-21-2006, 01:27 AM
Where is your Papi now?

gbergman
08-21-2006, 01:28 AM
Yes Yankees win!

Madvora
08-21-2006, 08:30 AM
With Boston and Detroit losing so much lately this is really helping the Sox out. Actually, it's leaving the door open for the Sox because they're really not helping themselves out lately. They could have really taken control during this recent stretch.

Baby Fisk
08-21-2006, 09:34 AM
I am enjoying this ever so much.
You are not alone. :gulp:

Foulke You
08-21-2006, 10:35 AM
8-5 Yankees Posada HR:bandance:
I refuse to use a dancing bananna for any Yankees win.:cool:

I'll just take some solemn satisfaction at Boston falling far behind us in the wild card but seeing the Yankees win and being happy about that makes one feel very dirty. Wow, was this a nightmare weekend for Red Sox fans or what? Losing 4 straight at home to NY and 3 of the 4 you were beaten like a drum. Kind've makes our 2 of 3 loss weekend at the Metrodome look like a cakewalk.

Fenway
08-21-2006, 11:07 AM
Sunday was one long day.........waking up in Galway, driving to Shannon, a 7 hour flight and then taking my son to Sox/Yanks

I had a bad feeling about last night when after the Bosox jumped to a 2-0 lead a nasty electrical storm hit the Fenway area.

Bob Ryan as only he can recapped the debacle perfectly ( man to write like this on deadline at 1:30 AM!!!!!)


The sorry summation of the story is that right now the Yankees simply do not know how to lose to the Red Sox. They take whatever Boston dishes out and they trump it. If you want to go all historical and compare this to the debacle in 1978, I won't be the one to stop you. But that Red Sox team got back in the race. This Red Sox team has one starting pitcher who engenders any confidence at all, and he has lost two well-pitched games in five days.
And please don't embarrass yourself by referencing 2004, either. Just don't.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/08/21/latest_blow_may_be_the_lowest_of_all/?page=full


This morning everybody is second guessing Francoma ( including Tito himself ) about bring Timlin in instead of Papelbon to start the 8th. Papelbon was nothing short of heroic in trying to save the game but Jeter beat him :redneck


Fenway was amazing last night. Even with the one hour rain delay, and the clock pushing 1 AM the park was full with fans pleading, begging. It wasn't enough. Keep in mind the subway shuts down at 12:30 and nobody left, oh was it fun trying to find a cab:(:

So now only David Wells stands in the way of complete disaster and he going to have to pitch a complete game because the bullpen is SHOT and its a 1 PM start.

The grim reality is for Boston fans the scoreboard watching now becomes CWS instead of NYY.

spiffie
08-21-2006, 11:13 AM
The grim reality is for Boston fans the scoreboard watching now becomes CWS instead of NYY.
They have to watch the whole AL Central. Right now Boston is down to having the 6th best record in the AL. They are behind 3 AL Central teams, and need to leapfrog 2 of them if they are going to make the playoffs. And now even Toronto and the Angels are one good streak away from going past them. If Boston isn't careful they could end up the 8th or 9th best team in the AL this year.

SOXintheBURGH
08-21-2006, 11:15 AM
They have to watch the whole AL Central. Right now Boston is down to having the 6th best record in the AL. They are behind 3 AL Central teams, and need to leapfrog 2 of them if they are going to make the playoffs. And now even Toronto and the Angels are one good streak away from going past them. If Boston isn't careful they could end up the 8th or 9th best team in the AL this year.

Be still, my heart.

Baby Fisk
08-21-2006, 11:19 AM
Be still, my heart.They were cuter when they were perennial losers. They didn't wear winning very well. :gulp:

Fenway
08-21-2006, 11:19 AM
They have to watch the whole AL Central. Right now Boston is down to having the 6th best record in the AL. They are behind 3 AL Central teams, and need to leapfrog 2 of them if they are going to make the playoffs. And now even Toronto and the Angels are one good streak away from going past them. If Boston isn't careful they could end up the 8th or 9th best team in the AL this year.

To make things even worse for Boston after this afternoons game with NYY they go to the west coast for 9.

Another question on WEEI today, how da hell did Jamie Moyer get waived out the AL Theo??????

Fenway
08-21-2006, 11:56 AM
Dirt Dog just updated his site

oh man :rolleyes:

http://www.bostondirtdogs.com/



Tobin Bridge is crowded this noontime
http://www.massport.com/bridges/pic/c_16_tobin.jpg

SOXintheBURGH
08-21-2006, 12:10 PM
http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/BDD_Boss-Beckett_MW.jpg



:rolling:
:roflmao:

Too funny.

Paulwny
08-21-2006, 02:00 PM
Another question on WEEI today, how da hell did Jamie Moyer get waived out the AL Theo??????

A lot of people would like to hear this answered .

caulfield12
08-21-2006, 02:19 PM
And I'm sure they could have had Odalis Perez for almost nothing as well.

The Dodgers are paying ALL of his salary for this season AND next season. Then again, that's the Royals, doubt they would do it for Boston so easily.

gbergman
08-21-2006, 02:34 PM
Haven't turned the game on but it looks like Manny Ramirez is hurt. Wonder how bad

Baby Fisk
08-21-2006, 03:04 PM
Haven't turned the game on but it looks like Manny Ramirez is hurt. Wonder how bad
He started the game and walked twice but is not out there now -- he left the game after the 4th. It's Wily Mo in LF, Crisp in CF and Kapler in RF. Ortiz DH, Hinske 1B.

Fenway
08-21-2006, 03:11 PM
Haven't turned the game on but it looks like Manny Ramirez is hurt. Wonder how bad

He had a "funny" slide into second.......NESN trying to get update but so far Red Sox saying nothing :(:

Meanwhile


The Red Sox today sent pitcher Craig Hansen back to Pawtucket, less than 12 hours after the rookie surrendered the winning runs to the Yankees in the top of the 10th inning of last night's loss. The Sox called up pitcher Bryan Corey to take his roster spot.


http://www.boston.com/sports/nesn/wilbur/sports_blog/blog/2006/08/21/hansen_demoted/index.html

Wells pitching a decent game, but Lidle just a bit better so far.

Madvora
08-21-2006, 03:19 PM
I had no idea this game was going on right now.
1-0 NY currently.

I have never heard of a 5 game sweep before. That's big time.

southside rocks
08-21-2006, 03:57 PM
So now only David Wells stands in the way of complete disaster and he going to have to pitch a complete game because the bullpen is SHOT and its a 1 PM start.


David Wells taken out of the game in the top of the 8th; Foulke brought in, and he promptly unleashed a wild pitch that brought in a Yankee run. 2-0 Yanks in the bottom of the 8th.

Looks bad for the Bosox. Must feel ungodly awful for the fans; it's been carnage all weekend. :(:

hawkjt
08-21-2006, 04:02 PM
willy mo just homered to cut the yanks lead to 2-1 going to the ninth.

The fear and loathing in that park right now is thicker than grilling onion smell at Soxpark. They all look like their season hangs in the balance and maybe it does.

Will Torre bring out Rivera to close even tho he said he was not going to use him again today?

oh,yea.

lakeviewsoxfan
08-21-2006, 04:10 PM
Farnsworth in for the 9th:(:

Lip Man 1
08-21-2006, 04:12 PM
Had the White Sox played even a little better this week while the Red Sox were falling apart, they could have pushed them right out of the wild card race and made it a two team affair.

Oh well....those three games in Fenway in early September are still going to be very big (unfortunately)

Lip

lakeviewsoxfan
08-21-2006, 04:13 PM
Yankees sweep all 5

Flight #24
08-21-2006, 04:15 PM
Had the White Sox played even a little better this week while the Red Sox were falling apart, they could have pushed them right out of the wild card race and made it a two team affair.

Oh well....those three games in Fenway in early September are still going to be very big (unfortunately)

Lip

More importantly, it would have been fairly easy to currently have a 3 game lead on the Twins and be down only 3.5 to the Tiggers. All that would have taken was legitimate efforts on Wednesday & Friday. Instead, things are far more tenuous, and yet again the Sox have put themselves in position to have to go 3-1 or 4-0 against Detroit. Especially since Minnesota is playing Baltimore and just got a "shot in the arm" news that Liriano is pain-free and expected back in a couple of weeks.

On that note, Sox had better make sure they have a 3 game lead going into the final series in Minny. Because you can bet your ass they'll be facing both Santana & Liriano if the Twins have a legit shot at beating them out.

Lip Man 1
08-21-2006, 04:21 PM
Flight:

I mentioned the exact same thing after Sunday's game. If the Twins can't make the post season the other goal they have is also to make sure the Sox don't.

It'll be Santana, Radke and Liriano all lined up and ready to go that final weekend.

If the Sox have to win more then a single game to clinch.....well.....

The Sox have had some chances this season and for whatever reason haven't been firing when teams like Detroit, Boston and even Minnesota have gone through bad streaks. I'm thinking for example when Detroit lost 8 of 11 earlier to Boston, New York, Toronto and the Sox.

It seems the only time the Sox really cut into Detroit's lead is when they beat them and so far that hasn't been enough.

As has been pointed out by myself and others, the other factor had been 24 losses against teams currently with losing records...for a team with the talent on the roster like the Sox have that's inexcusable.

Lip

gbergman
08-21-2006, 04:23 PM
Nice! Way to go Yankees

MUsoxfan
08-21-2006, 04:25 PM
Yankees sweep all 5

That's a shame:cool:

hawkjt
08-21-2006, 04:26 PM
I think they indicated that Liriano would not be back til mid-sept at the earliest?

He might get three starts the last couple of weeks and,yes, one would most definitely be against the sox.

But we know how Jose responded after an injury- he has not been the same since. So maybe liriano comes out and loses a couple of critical games for them.

The tigers and twins both visit yankee stadium soon. The way the yanks are playing- I am glad the sox are done with them til a possible playoff match-up which could be nightmarish.

But I just see this being decided in the dome(our least fav place in the league) on the last weekend. We have clinched up there before, I do believe.

Fenway
08-21-2006, 04:26 PM
Winning run came on a Keith Foulke wild pitch :whiner:

David Wells wanted to slug Francoma when he was taken out of the game for Foulke.

First 5 game sweep by NY in Boston since 1943

Manny Ramirez left today’s game with a cramp in his right hamstring and is listed as day-to-day, according to Red Sox spokesperson John Blake.

Flight #24
08-21-2006, 04:27 PM
Flight:

I mentioned the exact same thing after Sunday's game. If the Twins can't make the post season the other goal they have is also to make sure the Sox don't.

It'll be Santana, Radke and Liriano all lined up and ready to go that final weekend.

If the Sox have to win more then a single game to clinch.....well.....

The Sox have had some chances this season and for whatever reason haven't been firing when teams like Detroit, Boston and even Minnesota have gone through bad streaks. I'm thinking for example when Detroit lost 8 of 11 earlier to Boston, New York, Toronto and the Sox.

It seems the only time the Sox really cut into Detroit's lead is when they beat them and so far that hasn't been enough.

Lip

It'll be one or the other, Twins/Sox - Boston's done. The Sox problem has been an inability to beat bad teams. The simple fact that they're 10-6 against the Royals (and the Royals have beaten no team more than the Sox this year) will be the reason should they fail to make the playoffs.

MarySwiss
08-21-2006, 04:27 PM
Winning run came on a Keith Foulke wild pitch :whiner:

David Wells wanted to slug Francoma when he was taken out of the game for Foulke.

First 5 game sweep by NY in Boston since 1943

Manny Ramirez left today’s game with a cramp in his right hamstring and is listed as day-to-day, according to Red Sox spokesperson John Blake.

I'm sorry for you, Fens, but happy for us.

MUsoxfan
08-21-2006, 04:29 PM
(and the Royals have beaten no team more than the Sox this year)

If the Red Sox played 10 more games against KC, Boston would have gladly lost 8 of them:D:

Fenway
08-21-2006, 04:30 PM
I'm sorry for you, Fens, but happy for us.

I understand :whiner: :whiner: :whiner:

CHISOXFAN13
08-21-2006, 04:33 PM
Flight:

I mentioned the exact same thing after Sunday's game. If the Twins can't make the post season the other goal they have is also to make sure the Sox don't.

It'll be Santana, Radke and Liriano all lined up and ready to go that final weekend.

If the Sox have to win more then a single game to clinch.....well.....

The Sox have had some chances this season and for whatever reason haven't been firing when teams like Detroit, Boston and even Minnesota have gone through bad streaks. I'm thinking for example when Detroit lost 8 of 11 earlier to Boston, New York, Toronto and the Sox.

It seems the only time the Sox really cut into Detroit's lead is when they beat them and so far that hasn't been enough.

As has been pointed out by myself and others, the other factor had been 24 losses against teams currently with losing records...for a team with the talent on the roster like the Sox have that's inexcusable.

Lip

I did the math and unless Gardy lets Johan go on three days rest, Santana won't pitch in the final series. Hell, even if he does, let's hope it's over before that final game so then it won't matter.

I'm not sold on Liriano coming back. He was pretty human there for a while. And Radke's arm is falling off, Lip. Bring him on.

Fenway
08-21-2006, 04:42 PM
Boston needs a monster west coast trip right now to get back in the WC. They still have 3 with the Twins and 3 with the White Sox all at Fenway so.....


But ever since that stupid injured gackle stole second a couple of weeks ago and was not taken care of by the Red Sox ( he was killed the next day by a hawk) they can't win at home

The Curse of the Gackle?????

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/BDD_8.1_blackbird.jpg

MarySwiss
08-21-2006, 04:45 PM
Boston needs a monster west coast trip right now to get back in the WC. They still have 3 with the Twins and 3 with the White Sox all at Fenway so.....


But ever since that stupid injured gackle stole second a couple of weeks ago and was not taken care of by the Red Sox ( he was killed the next day by a hawk) they can't win at home

The Curse of the Gackle?????


http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/BDD_8.1_blackbird.jpg
I think how it works is, now you have to catch the hawk, sacrifice it at second base, and make spaghetti sauce out of the carcass.

Flight #24
08-21-2006, 04:48 PM
I did the math and unless Gardy lets Johan go on three days rest, Santana won't pitch in the final series. Hell, even if he does, let's hope it's over before that final game so then it won't matter.

I'm not sold on Liriano coming back. He was pretty human there for a while. And Radke's arm is falling off, Lip. Bring him on.

It'll be pretty easy to move someone up or back a day here or there if it matters. Book it that if the Twins are 2 or less out, the Sox will see both Santana & Liriano.

spiffie
08-21-2006, 05:02 PM
I did the math and unless Gardy lets Johan go on three days rest, Santana won't pitch in the final series. Hell, even if he does, let's hope it's over before that final game so then it won't matter.

I'm not sold on Liriano coming back. He was pretty human there for a while. And Radke's arm is falling off, Lip. Bring him on.
I suspect Santana on 48 minutes of rest would still be able to shut the Sox down.

Mr. White Sox
08-21-2006, 05:44 PM
I think how it works is, now you have to catch the hawk, sacrifice it at second base, and make spaghetti sauce out of the carcass.

:hawk
"Your what hurts?"

Paulwny
08-21-2006, 06:35 PM
Winning run came on a Keith Foulke wild pitch :whiner:
.

Official scorer is being kind to Lopez. I agree with Jim Kaat, Lopez should have been able to block that pitch.

Lip Man 1
08-21-2006, 11:21 PM
Chisox:

Well for the record, Gardenhire has already changed his rotation once this season SPECIFICALLY to get Santana another win against the Sox. That four game series in May saw him skip pitching against Detroit so that he could start the opening Friday night game of that four game series.

And naturally he won again.

Lip

gobears1987
08-22-2006, 08:44 AM
I think how it works is, now you have to catch the hawk, sacrifice it at second base, and make spaghetti sauce out of the carcass.:hawk
Not on my watch! Well, at least serve me up with a can'o'corn

Fenway
08-22-2006, 04:39 PM
I think how it works is, now you have to catch the hawk, sacrifice it at second base, and make spaghetti sauce out of the carcass.

if you posted that on a BoSox board you would have people out with nets looking for the hawk right now :smile:

this sums up the mood of Beantown
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