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Viva Medias B's
08-18-2006, 08:08 AM
With minutes to go until the polls close, WSI News is projecting that Ted Williams will win the "Best Red Sox Ever" poll.

Today's poll features the Cincinnati Reds/Redlegs/Reds.

soxinem1
08-18-2006, 08:38 AM
Even though I grew up A White Sox and an American League fan, watching Bench was a pleasure. He hit a ton, especially for his era, and played defense like an armour wall. He could throw out a cheetah stealing.

Rose was excellent too, as were the others, but anytime you have a slugger at the toughest position, I take him.

eastchicagosoxfan
08-18-2006, 08:57 AM
All the guys listed are worthy players, including the baseball career of Pete Rose. Each player is certain to get consideration. However, I'm going to write-in a ballplayer whose last game was over a century ago. My candidate is William Ellsworth " Dummy " Hoy, the great deaf and mute player of the 1880's through the 1890's. He threw out the first pitch of the 1961 Workd Series in Cincy; he was 99 at the time. It was recognition of a great career.
Here's a link to a site attempting to get him enshrined in Cooperstown:

http://www.dummyhoy.com/

getonbckthr
08-18-2006, 09:09 AM
Sabo

BigPapaPump
08-18-2006, 09:12 AM
All the guys listed are worthy players, including the baseball career of Pete Rose. Each player is certain to get consideration. However, I'm going to write-in a ballplayer whose last game was over a century ago. My candidate is William Ellsworth " Dummy " Hoy, the great deaf and mute player of the 1880's through the 1890's. He threw out the first pitch of the 1961 Workd Series in Cincy; he was 99 at the time. It was recognition of a great career.
Here's a link to a site attempting to get him enshrined in Cooperstown:



http://www.dummyhoy.com/

Ok, maybe Dummy should be in the HOF, but no way is he a better player than Rose or Bench. Interesting story however.

buehrle4cy05
08-18-2006, 09:13 AM
I finally got the chance to vote for Frank Robinson and I did.

downstairs
08-18-2006, 09:17 AM
Mods better be on the look out... I'm willing to bet Joe Morgan comes here and votes for himself 100-200 times.

MeteorsSox4367
08-18-2006, 09:40 AM
"ESPN is reporting that on Sunday Night Baseball, analyst Joe Morgan described himself as the greatest Cincinnati Red and greatest second baseman of all time. Morgan congratulated himself on the air, while Jon Miller pronounced his name perfectly in Spanish."

Always liked the Reds, never liked Rose. I'll go with my favorite Red and one of the reasons why I wanted to be a catcher, Johnny Bench.

SOXintheBURGH
08-18-2006, 09:45 AM
Only one of those guys has more hits than anyone, ever.

TornLabrum
08-18-2006, 09:46 AM
Frank Robinson was an MVP in both leagues. Since I voted for Sisler for the Browns/Orioles, he gets my vote in Cincinnati.

Railsplitter
08-18-2006, 09:50 AM
Pete Rose, no doubt. The break up of the Big Red Machine was a shame

SOXSINCE'70
08-18-2006, 10:11 AM
Frank Robinson gets my vote.
But the Reds dropped the ball after the 1965 season,
trading the (then) 30 year old outfielder to the Orioles because
they believed baseball was a game to be played by younger men.
All Robinson did for the 1966 O's was lead the A.L. in home runs,
RBI's and batting average.He then helped the underdog Orioles
sweep the heavily favored Dodgers in the World Series.
His solo HR off Don Drysdale in game 4 of the WS was all
Jim Palmer and the O's needed.Robinson was the unanimous
choice for A.L. MVP in 1966.

TornLabrum
08-18-2006, 10:16 AM
You have to admit that Pete Rose has done a great deal for his on-field reputation by his whining about his ineligibility due to betting on games. He wasn't even close to the best player on the teams he played for.

SOXSINCE'70
08-18-2006, 10:16 AM
Sabo

Yeah,but he sucked with the White Sox.:angry: :angry:

AuroraSoxFan
08-18-2006, 10:23 AM
Had to go with Pete. Can't stand him as a human being. I met him in Vegas and he really is a complete jag. But as a player, he still holds a record that does not look like it will be broken in any of our lifetimes, if ever.

PKalltheway
08-18-2006, 11:51 AM
I went with Rose. 4,256 hits are a lot of damn base hits. Even though someone else said he wasn't the best player on his own team (and that is more than likely true), he did win the 1973 MVP, and he was the spark plug for that team during the 1970's.

viagracat
08-18-2006, 11:57 AM
I said in the Pirate thread Clemente was the best I ever saw, and I've also said many times over the years Bench was the second-best. With the way he could hit and run, it was hard to believe he was a catcher. Catchers were those .220 hitting, eighth-place batters, you know? Oh, and he did that work about as well as anyone, too. Catchers don't get nearly enough respect among casual baseball fans, IMO, but knowledgeable people understand how hard these guys work.

Rose, of course, played the game as intensely as anyone I've seen, and few players were more hard-nosed than Frank Robinson. Cincinnati has seen some incredible ballplayers over the years, but as a "small-market" franchise, they'll probably be seeing fewer big studs sticking around for the long haul. Times have changed. Too bad.

I want Mags back
08-18-2006, 12:06 PM
I remember in little league my coach used to call me Johnny Bench. I thought it was a joke about sitting on he bench

gobears1987
08-18-2006, 12:07 PM
The greatest 2B of all time, Joe Morgan

I actually voted for Rose.

monkeypants
08-18-2006, 12:50 PM
I had to vote for one of my favorite players of all time, Pete Rose.

While playing Little League my dad always used to tell me to play like Rose. Like Rose, that meant I wasn't the best player, but I hustled and played my heart out on every play. Coaches and parents love that crap so I earned a great reputation as I played my way through the years. Eventually my talent caught up with my hustle and I became a pretty good ballplayer by the time high school started. So I have to thank Pete and my Dad for that.

I somewhat liken Rose to Walter Payton (although one is a huge slimey douchebag while the other was one of the most loved players of all time). Payton was never the biggest, fastest, or quickest (although probably toughest) player around but when you put the entire package together he was the greatest. Same thing with Rose. He hit for a high average but others were better. He didn't hit for power but he did have some pop in his bat. He won 2 Gold Gloves but he really didn't excell at defense and moved around the diamond throughout his career. So he never was the most talented player, even on his own team either with the Reds or Phillies, but through perseverance, drive, desire and talent he'll always be remembered as one of the greatest.

Oh, and he has more hits than anyone else in the history of baseball.

viagracat
08-18-2006, 12:56 PM
I had to vote for one of my favorite players of all time, Pete Rose.

While playing Little League my dad always used to tell me to play like Rose. Like Rose, that meant I wasn't the best player, but I hustled and played my heart out on every play. Coaches and parents love that crap so I earned a great reputation as I played my way through the years. Eventually my talent caught up with my hustle and I became a pretty good ballplayer by the time high school started. So I have to thank Pete and my Dad for that.

I somewhat liken Rose to Walter Payton (although one is a huge slimey douchebag while the other was one of the most loved players of all time). Payton was never the biggest, fastest, or quickest (although probably toughest) player around but when you put the entire package together he was the greatest. Same thing with Rose. He hit for a high average but others were better. He didn't hit for power but he did have some pop in his bat. He won 2 Gold Gloves but he really didn't excell at defense and moved around the diamond throughout his career. So he never was the most talented player, even on his own team either with the Reds or Phillies, but through perseverance, drive, desire and talent he'll always be remembered as one of the greatest.

Oh, and he has more hits than anyone else in the history of baseball.

I do respect Rose for the way he always hustled; how he ran to first after taking a walk and I'll never forget how he bowled over Ray Fosse in the 1970 All-Star game. And yeah, I think Rose should be in the HOF, but that's another thread.

drewcifer
08-18-2006, 12:57 PM
Rose for me too. :nod:

SouthSide_HitMen
08-18-2006, 02:35 PM
I screwed up and voted Morgan. Rose and Bench had the better Reds careers (and Rose edges Morgan out for their career). Deduct a Morgan vote and change it to Rose.

slobes
08-18-2006, 03:32 PM
Only one of those guys has more hits than anyone, ever.

Exactly. This should be a no brainer.

Grzegorz
08-18-2006, 09:57 PM
Frank Robinson

ChiSoxRowand
08-19-2006, 12:20 AM
Tom Browning

soxfanreggie
08-19-2006, 01:15 AM
He turned many singles into doubles and doubles into triples with his Hustle. He played the game a way few do...always intense (managing maybe a different story). One many leads all-time in hits...many have won championships (he has) or MVPs (he has) but he is #1 in a very important category.

Here's to Charlie Hustle.

batmanZoSo
08-19-2006, 01:26 AM
Johnny Bench. Come on, that's probably the best baseball name in the universe.

Rose is a scumbag. I really don't want him to get any recognition, but he's probably going to win this. More importantly, he's totally not the best player on this list. He just played the longest.

TornLabrum
08-19-2006, 10:19 AM
Johnny Bench. Come on, that's probably the best baseball name in the universe.

Rose is a scumbag. I really don't want him to get any recognition, but he's probably going to win this. More importantly, he's totally not the best player on this list. He just played the longest.

*dingdingdingdingdingdingdingding* We have a winner!

Railsplitter
08-19-2006, 11:28 AM
I had to cut my reply short, so I had to omit my customary nod to a pitcher. I'm going to put onther Cinncy product down for pitcher: Joe Nuxhall.

Nuxall made his big league debut in 1944 at the age of 15 no less, However, he showed that even wartime depleted rosters were nothing a 15-year-old should be facing, as he only lasted two-thirds of an inning. He game back to the bigs in 1952 and posted a lifetime winning record for the Reds. Ironically, the only full season he didn;t play for the Reds was the pennant-winning 1961 season.

ClaudelSleptHere
08-19-2006, 11:35 AM
Robinson

fquaye149
08-19-2006, 11:42 AM
Mods better be on the look out... I'm willing to bet Joe Morgan comes here and votes for himself 100-200 times.

Joe Morgan is afraid of computers.

Oblong
08-19-2006, 12:07 PM
He doesn't read books either.

but he allegedly knows who writes them.