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Fuller_Schettman
08-17-2006, 08:25 PM
Hard to believe this has never happened before, but for the first time in MLB history the leadoff batter for each team hit a HR to start the first and second innings!

Congrats to Pablo, Dye, DeJesus & Brown!

gobears1987
08-17-2006, 08:36 PM
According to Sportscenter (not the most accurate source in most cases) this has never happened before.

CaptainBallz
08-17-2006, 08:37 PM
Hard to believe this has never happened before, but for the first time in MLB history the leadoff batter for each team hit a HR to start the first and second innings!

Congrats to Pablo, Dye, DeJesus & Brown!

Interesting. Lame for various reasons, but interesting.

batmanZoSo
08-17-2006, 09:25 PM
Hard to believe this has never happened before, but for the first time in MLB history the leadoff batter for each team hit a HR to start the first and second innings!

Congrats to Pablo, Dye, DeJesus & Brown!

I figured that was history as it happened. I rule?

That's what's great about baseball. I mean how the hell has that never happened before? :?::nuts:

Hitmen77
08-17-2006, 11:12 PM
I am very very surprised this has never happened before.

Ol' No. 2
08-17-2006, 11:17 PM
I figured that was history as it happened. I rule?

That's what's great about baseball. I mean how the hell has that never happened before? :?::nuts:Leadoff hitters tend to hit few HR. If we assume 1 HR per 100 PA, the odds of the two leadoff hitters in the first inning both hitting one is 10,000 to 1. In the second inning you have middle of the order hitters. Assume 1 HR per 20 PA for them. That's 400 to 1. Multiply them together and you get one chance in 4 million of it being done in both innings. I don't know how many baseball games have been played since professional baseball started, but it's certainly a lot less than 4 million.

Brian26
08-17-2006, 11:33 PM
Really quick, dirty math here: Let's say 26 teams from '69 to '93 (25 years):

(162 games/yr/2 teams)*26 teams*25 years = 52,650

30 teams from '94 to '06 (13 yrs):

162/2*30*13= 31,590

So, since 1969 (last 37 yrs) there have been only aprox 83,000 games played.

From 1906 to 1969 (63 yrs), there were less teams....approx avg of 16:

162/2*63*16= 81,648

Since 1906, by my quick calcs, there have been about 164,000 MLB games played....way less than 4,000,000, which means Ol' No. 2 flunked his Stats 103 class back in 1920 or that something really unbelievable just happened. I think I had a better chance at winning the ring raffle.

batmanZoSo
08-17-2006, 11:37 PM
Well that settles that.

Ol' No. 2
08-17-2006, 11:39 PM
Really quick, dirty math here: Let's say 26 teams from '69 to '93 (25 years):

(162 games/yr/2 teams)*26 teams*25 years = 52,650

30 teams from '94 to '06 (13 yrs):

162/2*30*13= 31,590

So, since 1969 (last 37 yrs) there have been only aprox 83,000 games played.

From 1906 to 1969 (63 yrs), there were less teams....approx avg of 16:

162/2*63*16= 81,648

Since 1906, by my quick calcs, there have been about 164,000 MLB games played....way less than 4,000,000, which means Ol' No. 2 flunked his Stats 103 class back in 1920 or that something really unbelievable just happened. I think I had a better chance at winning the ring raffle.Huh?I don't know how many baseball games have been played since professional baseball started, but it's certainly a lot less than 4 million.Wait, now I see what you meant. Never mind.:redface:

DaleJRFan
08-17-2006, 11:44 PM
all I know is... Jermaine's HR to lead off the 2nd was LOOOONG.. That guy hits some of the longest HRs I've seen at USCF. THe shot he hit off of Beckett onto the top of the batters eye and now this mammoth shot to the last row of the LF seats. Damn. :o:

CLR01
08-17-2006, 11:50 PM
Big deal they were solo shots. :rolleyes:

Ol' No. 2
08-17-2006, 11:57 PM
Big deal they were solo shots. :rolleyes:JD's should have counted for two. It looked to me like it cleared the seats.

TornLabrum
08-18-2006, 12:36 AM
Really quick, dirty math here: Let's say 26 teams from '69 to '93 (25 years):

(162 games/yr/2 teams)*26 teams*25 years = 52,650

30 teams from '94 to '06 (13 yrs):

162/2*30*13= 31,590

So, since 1969 (last 37 yrs) there have been only aprox 83,000 games played.

From 1906 to 1969 (63 yrs), there were less teams....approx avg of 16:

162/2*63*16= 81,648

Since 1906, by my quick calcs, there have been about 164,000 MLB games played....way less than 4,000,000, which means Ol' No. 2 flunked his Stats 103 class back in 1920 or that something really unbelievable just happened. I think I had a better chance at winning the ring raffle.
Only one problem with your calculations. The leagues played 154 game schedules through 1960 in the AL and through 1961 in the NL. This reduces the total a little.

But then there were all the games played between 1876 and 1905 inclusive with leagues that varied from six to a dozen teams and schedules with various numbers of games played, but wisely, you didn't go into those.

BNLSox
08-18-2006, 02:39 AM
Pablo and JD kept Mark's head on straight with those shots. I wanted to strangle Buerhle when the first pitch of the game left the building - especially since I came all the way from Cali to catch the end of this homestand (well that and to visit the family).

Kinda cool though to see the tit for tat HR's in the first two innings.

viagracat
08-18-2006, 11:48 AM
Been several strange events this season. Remember the two grand-slams in one inning?

PS: I think I become a Church Elder with this post. May I show you to your seat? :smile:

downstairs
08-18-2006, 12:16 PM
there have been exactly 166,240 games through last night.

(I love RetroSheet)

TornLabrum
08-18-2006, 01:26 PM
there have been exactly 166,240 games through last night.

(I love RetroSheet)

Does that go back to 1876? Does it include the National Association? Just curious.

downstairs
08-18-2006, 01:43 PM
Does that go back to 1876? Does it include the National Association? Just curious.

You know what... good point. The raw data I have does but I only counted since 1901.

I run www.baseballrace.com (http://www.baseballrace.com) with the retrosheet data, but I didn't include any of that on my project.

So I guess I was wrong!

But, like I said... the data at www.retrosheet.org (http://www.retrosheet.org) believe includes everything (even Federal League, etc.) Of course, they're missing data for some old games... but I think they at least have an entry and W/L for every single game...

BadBobbyJenks
08-18-2006, 01:48 PM
Big deal they were solo shots. :rolleyes:


and i spit out water while reading that, thank you

southside rocks
08-18-2006, 02:05 PM
Well, I was at the game yesterday, and when the first pitch that Buehrle threw was whacked into the seats, I guarantee you the Sox fans weren't thinking about history, they were thinking 'oh crap, here we go again.' :o:

Fortunately, Mark's footwork was dazzling as he skated and danced on thin ice for 6 innings but only gave up those two runs.

Brian26
08-18-2006, 08:21 PM
Only one problem with your calculations. The leagues played 154 game schedules through 1960 in the AL and through 1961 in the NL. This reduces the total a little.

I only missed it by a little over two thousand though. Pretty darn close!