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KMKsuburbannoise
08-17-2006, 09:07 PM
I've had a few players who I really liked and hated to see go. My top two would have to have been Robin and Willie Harris. Robin because he did a lot for teams who didn't do much for him, and Willie because he ways always doing something. Stealing, clutch hitting, defense...

Who's your favorite SOx player who got away?

FielderJones
08-17-2006, 09:09 PM
Who's you favorite SOx player who got away?

Harold. Glad we got him back.

Lorenzo Barcelo
08-17-2006, 09:13 PM
Sammy Sosa. Seriously. George Bell for Sammy Sosa 'nuf said.

nedlug
08-17-2006, 09:16 PM
Robin, and I must admint... Magglio.

I am only 22, however - no real experience with guys from before the late-eighties...

fuzzy_patters
08-17-2006, 09:17 PM
I've had a few players who I really liked and hated to see go. My top two would have to have been Robin and Willie Harris. Robin because he did a lot for teams who didn't do much for him, and Willie because he ways always doing something. Stealing, clutch hitting, defense...

Who's your favorite SOx player who got away?

Harold Baines. He was my hero, and the Sox traded him when I was 10. I was heartbroken.

LuvSox
08-17-2006, 09:18 PM
Sammy Sosa. Seriously. George Bell for Sammy Sosa 'nuf said.

Sammy Sosa was not on steroids yet but he was still a punk bitch hot dog. Good riddance.

Lorenzo Barcelo
08-17-2006, 09:20 PM
Sammy Sosa was not on steroids yet but he was still a punk bitch hot dog. Good riddance.

Don't know about you but I'd still take my chances.

jdm2662
08-17-2006, 09:22 PM
Jeremy Reed and Miguel Olivo

The only time I was really upset was when Fisk got cut. It wasn't so much was the fact he got cut. I was 16 that summer, and I pretty much knew he was done. I didn't like how it was handled. He was the reason why I always wanted to play catcher. Nowadays, I don't fall in love with players. They come and go so much you get used to it.

beckett21
08-17-2006, 09:23 PM
Jeremy Reed and Miguel Olivo. Tie.

You know somebody was going to say it. :redneck

I'll go with Harold Baines as well.

beckett21
08-17-2006, 09:23 PM
Jeremy Reed and Miguel Olivo


I can't believe you beat me to it! :redneck

jdm2662
08-17-2006, 09:26 PM
I can't believe you beat me to it! :redneck


:D:

You knew someone would say it eventually. I think I was one of the few people on this board that was all for the trade. That trade also taught me never buy into minor league hype. Kenny wanted to trade Crede, but Seattle wanted Olivo. Think about that...

gobears1987
08-17-2006, 09:28 PM
Probably has to be Baines. They didn't just do that once to the fans but twice. That contributed a lot to the mistrust fans felt towards Jerry Reinsdorf, but all was forgiven last October!!!:D: :bandance:

STRETCH!!!
08-17-2006, 09:29 PM
Alverez, Hernandez, and Darwin on the same day in 1997 when we were 3.5 games out - the three of them together for a handful of minor leaguers - that was the most painful trade since I've been following the Sox.

I've forgiven Jerry, but I haven't forgotten.

caulfield12
08-17-2006, 09:29 PM
Lance Johnson, just because he was my favorite of that time period.

gobears1987
08-17-2006, 09:29 PM
:D:

You knew someone would say it eventually. I think I was one of the few people on this board that was all for the trade. That trade also taught me never buy into minor league hype. Kenny wanted to trade Crede, but Seattle wanted Olivo. Think about that...I was all for the trade too. I know there were VERY few people who were 100% for the trade. Homefish and Jeremyb1 were on a roll that night. I think Homefish even wrote a song.

gobears1987
08-17-2006, 09:31 PM
Alverez, Hernandez, and Darwin on the same day in 1997 when we were 3.5 games out - the three of them together for a handful of minor leaguers - that was the most painful trade since I've been following the Sox.

I've forgiven Jerry, but I haven't forgotten.I think it can be agreed now in hindsight that the WFT was actually a success for the Sox. While we still had a chance of catching the Toons, nothing was guaranteed. Afterall, 2000 never would've happened without WFT (too bad Seattle ended that joy in the ALDS:angry: )

beckett21
08-17-2006, 09:31 PM
I think Homefish even wrote a song.

:rolling:

monkeypants
08-17-2006, 09:32 PM
Harold.
I actually hurt when he was traded in '89.

jdm2662
08-17-2006, 09:39 PM
I was all for the trade too. I know there were VERY few people who were 100% for the trade. Homefish and Jeremyb1 were on a role that night. I think Homefish even wrote a song.

It was certainly a risk, but thanks the media hype about Reed and the over value of Olivo, it was cause an uproar for sure. Little did we know, Reed had no power, and Olivo had problems calling a game. Since that trade, I haven't bought into fluff pieces or hype of minor league players. How can I judge someone if I've never seen him play.

However, in 1990, I remember when Kittle got traded. Many of my friends were upset. I had a Cub fan friend call me and tell me about the trade. My reaction was, so? They are going to call up this guy Frank Thomas from the minors. Watch him, he's going to be good.

Well, I was right once in my life. It had to happen eventually. Not bad for a 13-year-old. :redneck

soxinem1
08-17-2006, 09:46 PM
Harold Baines, Eric Soderholm, Britt Burns, and Richard Dotson are my list of tradees.

Other dismissals: Pudge, Ventura, Cowley (yes), Jim Kern, and of course, The Big Hurt!

Cuck the Fubs
08-17-2006, 09:51 PM
Robin Ventura........

Hands down

DSpivack
08-17-2006, 09:51 PM
Frank is the only player I've ever really "loved", but this past offseason I didn't really mind seeing him go. So really no one that I've hated to see go. Magglio I thought wouldn't be the same player after being injured, and it doesn't seem he is, as much as I loved chanting "OEO." Perhaps Robin, then.

SOXBOY
08-17-2006, 09:56 PM
Chet Lemon

Jurr
08-17-2006, 09:58 PM
Ray Durham. Man...what a player. The first big money jersey I ever bought. It was the 1999 season, and I was happily sporting the Ray Ray alternate jersey. Still own it, but miss the player.

JB98
08-17-2006, 10:00 PM
Esteban Loaiza or Gary Glover

thomas35forever
08-17-2006, 10:22 PM
Carlos Lee

pdr
08-17-2006, 10:32 PM
Dick Allen

wassagstdu
08-17-2006, 10:32 PM
Luis Aparicio, Luis Aparicio (traded twice), Billy Pierce, Nellie Fox, Jim Landis, Minnie Minoso, Chico Carrasquel, Ozzie Guillen, ...

How many outstanding players have finished their careers with the Sox? Fisk, Seaver. Maybe the last who played the prime of his career with the Sox and retired from the Sox was Luke Appling.

.

buehrle4cy05
08-17-2006, 10:50 PM
Ray Durham. Man...what a player. The first big money jersey I ever bought. It was the 1999 season, and I was happily sporting the Ray Ray alternate jersey. Still own it, but miss the player.

I thought I was alone. I was devastated when Durham was traded in 2002...he was always one of my favorite players, despite what some people said about him.

chisoxfanatic
08-17-2006, 10:50 PM
I literally CRIED when both Ventura and Carlos Lee were sent packing. :whiner:

samram
08-17-2006, 10:57 PM
Well, Ventura wasn't traded, so I can't pick him. I really liked Mike Cameron. Obviously, the Sox have won that trade, but I thought Cameron was going to be at least a 20/20 guy who played great defense.

Brian26
08-17-2006, 10:58 PM
I literally CRIED when both Ventura and Carlos Lee were sent packing. :whiner:

Ventura left as a free agent, but that hit me hard. 2nd worst loss was maybe McDowell leaving after '94.

batmanZoSo
08-17-2006, 11:01 PM
None. My loyalty to any player begins and ends with the silver and black.

Brian26
08-17-2006, 11:01 PM
I think it can be agreed now in hindsight that the WFT was actually a success for the Sox.

In hindsight, the white flag trade was arguably a wash, IMHO.

getonbckthr
08-17-2006, 11:25 PM
I remember the day they traded Harold. I was 6 years old. I wanted an autograph from Harold. My family somehow setup a meet and greet with Harold for my birthday. We were told the players weren't coming early that day cause of an emergency meeting. The lady working for the Sox on the field took my baseball and our adress down. On the way home we heard he was traded to Texas, I cried my eyes out. About a week later I got some mail from the Sox. It was my baeball signed by Harold with a note apologizing, wishing me happy birthday. That ball has not left the top of my dresser except when the dresser has been moved.

gobears1987
08-17-2006, 11:32 PM
In hindsight, the white flag trade was arguably a wash, IMHO.Even in that case, it still isn't the disaster that most people label WFT as.

bigfoot
08-17-2006, 11:32 PM
Brian Downing or Bobby Bonilla.........

Where's that Solomon guy when you need him?!?

Lip Man 1
08-17-2006, 11:34 PM
Go Bears:

So in your opinion the WFT was worth national and local scorn and ridicule and a tremendous drop attendence-wise over the next five years?

Just my opinion but if you're going to be made a laughingstock you should get more out of it then one lousy divisional title and three and out in the playoffs.

Making matters worse is that none of the players the Sox got in the deal even did something like make an All-Star team with them and only two (Foulke, Howry) even made any type of contribution for more then a season.

Lip

southwstchi4life
08-17-2006, 11:38 PM
:D:

You knew someone would say it eventually. I think I was one of the few people on this board that was all for the trade. That trade also taught me never buy into minor league hype. Kenny wanted to trade Crede, but Seattle wanted Olivo. Think about that...
Wow, thats right, I totally forgot about that. Man Kenny is genious

southwstchi4life
08-17-2006, 11:41 PM
Even in that case, it still isn't the disaster that most people label WFT as.
We were 3 1/2 games out, with a good team. Explain to me what good it did? The only thing it did was help the sox loose a part of there fan base

0o0o0
08-17-2006, 11:43 PM
Lance Johnson, just because he was my favorite of that time period.

Pretty sure he wasn't traded, but I'll agree anyway with that pick.

Man his first year with the Mets was insane. .333 BA, 21 triples. :o:

TornLabrum
08-18-2006, 12:03 AM
Four in my lifetime: Fox, Pierce, Aparicio, and Baines.

MadetoOrta
08-18-2006, 12:06 AM
Norm Cash or Johnny Callison or Earl Batty. The Sox would have owned the decade of the '60's if Veeck and gang didn't trade away the future. Ergo, leave BA, Fields and Sweeney ALONE!!!!

lumpyspun
08-18-2006, 12:07 AM
I, too, will have to say Baines. That was the first time I truly learned what a trade was. I was about 9 at the time and I couldn't comprehend that he wouldn't be wearing a Sox uniform anymore. Then my dad pissed me off even more a few months later and moved our family to Pennsylvania.

Hitmen77
08-18-2006, 12:08 AM
Sammy Sosa. Seriously. George Bell for Sammy Sosa 'nuf said.

Ok, it wasn't a good trade, but is Sammy Sosa really your FAVORITE SOX PLAYER who got traded away?

Just because it turned out to be a bad trade shouldn't make Sammy your favorite ex-Sox player. He was a perfect fit on the North Side where HR totals were more important than wins.

Hitmen77
08-18-2006, 12:10 AM
My vote is Robin Ventura.

He didn't get "traded", he left as a free agent. But, he was my favorite Sox player in the early to mid 90s and I was sorry to see him go.

Huisj
08-18-2006, 12:44 AM
Definitely Baines. I was 6 when that happened, and I didn't really understand the circumstances much. I was wearing my Sox hat when my dad told me (I think we were camping in Muskegon) and I threw it on the ground and stomped on it and cried that I'd never be a Sox fan again. He was my hero and role model.

KMKsuburbannoise
08-18-2006, 12:51 AM
oh, I also hated to see Ray Durham go. He is made for our current lineup.

johnnyg83
08-18-2006, 12:52 AM
Seaver finished with the Red Sox not us ... we did have a few studs in their last gasp though .. Steve Carlton, Jerry Reuss, Dave Steib ...

Wsoxmike59
08-18-2006, 07:14 AM
Luis Aparicio, when he was traded the 2nd time. I was 10 years old and literally pitched a fit in my upstairs bedroom upon hearing the news! :angry:

Later on in the day when my dad got home, he calmly explained the "facts of life" when it comes to baseball. This is a business, and sooner or later 99% of the players will get traded away. There's no room for sentimentality in baseball.

He said he too was upset when the Sox traded Aparicio the first time to Baltimore in the early 60's. He was convinced Bill Veeck was an idiot and didn't know what he was doing.

But that trade netted the Sox Ron Hansen, Pete Ward, Dave "Swish" Nicholson and Hoyt Wilhelm. The Sox got some pretty good players who in turn helped the Sox contend for a few more years and they ALMOST won the pennant in both 1964 and '67!

Juice16
08-18-2006, 07:42 AM
Trade wise I'd say Harold or Aaron, but everyone else left via free agency. It still makes me sick to see Frank in another uniform.

SOXSINCE'70
08-18-2006, 08:36 AM
Dan Pasqua.:D: :D:

1951Campbell
08-18-2006, 08:44 AM
Harold.

Robin wasn't traded, but that was also a major downer.

stl_sox_fan
08-18-2006, 08:48 AM
At the time I hated the Mike Cameron trade to Cincy because he was such a highly touted draft pick. But in retrospect I think the trade turned out all right.

FJA
08-18-2006, 09:08 AM
I thought I was alone. I was devastated when Durham was traded in 2002...he was always one of my favorite players, despite what some people said about him.
Neither of you are alone. I still sometimes proudly wear my Durham road jersey.

I would say Ventura (I know, not traded), Baines, and Durham, in that order.

mccoydp
08-18-2006, 09:13 AM
Robin Ventura.

Chez
08-18-2006, 09:29 AM
Via Free agency departure -- Ventura and McDowell
Via Trade -- Harold and Chet Lemon.

Paulwny
08-18-2006, 09:44 AM
Four in my lifetime: Fox, Pierce, Aparicio, and Baines.

These are also my choices along with Britt Burns.

russ99
08-18-2006, 10:24 AM
Jack McDowell. Mainly because when it was done - just before Christmas after the strike wiped out the half season of Sox brilliance.

He didn't leave via FA, here's the details:

December 14, 1994: Traded by the Chicago White Sox to the New York Yankees for a player to be named later and Keith Heberling (minors). The New York Yankees sent Lyle Mouton (April 22, 1995) to the Chicago White Sox to complete the trade.

I was miffed about the Ray Durham trade too, and of course, White Flag.

TornLabrum
08-18-2006, 10:31 AM
Jack McDowell. Mainly because when it was done - just before Christmas after the strike wiped out the half season of Sox brilliance.

He didn't leave via FA, here's the details:



I was miffed about the Ray Durham trade too, and of course, White Flag.

You have to admire how Ron Schueler got value for value in that trade. No wonder we broke our 78-year drought during his watch!

Uncle_Patrick
08-18-2006, 10:40 AM
I think as far as trades go, the ones that sent Baines and Kittle away were the ones that really affected me, probably because I was younger, they were players I really liked, and I thought they'd always be with the Sox.

I have to admit that I really liked Miguel Olivo and thought he'd be a good player, although I didn't hate the trade itself.

Tragg
08-18-2006, 10:50 AM
Bucky Dent. (certainly paid rewards 6 years later though)

Trading Baines was tough, but it was a trade that had to be made and paid rewards.

When I was a kid, I wasn't happy when we traded Gary Peters and Tommy Agee.

Flight #24
08-18-2006, 10:53 AM
Tie between D'Angelo Jimenez and the non-trade departure of Willie Harris......


Seriously, thinking back to the general hue & cry over the Reed+Olivo+Morse for Garcia trade, makes one appreciate just how well Kenny judges his young talent. Crede - no way, but take these 3 "highly rated" guys who end up doing pretty much nothing.

Favorite player traded: Wilson Alvarez (not best, but favorite). But Frank is far & away the "departed player most missed".

lakeviewsoxfan
08-18-2006, 11:50 AM
Im shocked 5 1/2 pages so far and only 1 mention of Aaron Rowand.

viagracat
08-18-2006, 12:37 PM
Ozzie Guillen was my favorite player on the team when he played short. I was crushed when he was traded.

russ99
08-18-2006, 12:42 PM
Im shocked 5 1/2 pages so far and only 1 mention of Aaron Rowand.

C'mon, we all loved Aaron with the Sox, but Big Jim has been "Mr. Incredible" this season.

Can't hate the deal, even if we miss Rowand.

Scottzilla
08-18-2006, 12:56 PM
Robin and Black Jack but especially macdowell cuz he ended up pitching against us for the indians. that was painful

Lip Man 1
08-18-2006, 12:57 PM
Ozzie was allowed to become a free agent after the 1997 season.

Lip

drewcifer
08-18-2006, 12:59 PM
Ventura for me. One of my all time favorite ballplayers.

lumpyspun
08-18-2006, 12:59 PM
Robin and Black Jack but especially macdowell cuz he ended up pitching against us for the indians. that was painful
Ha, Baines played against us with the Rangers, Orioles, A's, and Indians!

Mr.1Dog
08-18-2006, 01:01 PM
Lance Johnson, Robin and Ray Ray...

Scottzilla
08-18-2006, 01:01 PM
I remember Harold with the o's before he came back and was taking 'shark cartilidge' for his knees.
Harolds first stint with the sox was too early for me.

MVP
08-18-2006, 01:09 PM
Rowand, as far as players that got traded. Ventura overall, even though he left as a free agent.

BV2005
08-18-2006, 01:40 PM
Rowand, Ventura, Durham, Thomas, Baines, McDowell

35th&Shields
08-18-2006, 01:43 PM
Who's your favorite SOx player who got away?

I can't remember if they were traded away or left as free agents, but I was really sad to see Jack McDowell and Robin Ventura leave. They were good for the Sox during the years I was in high school so I always felt I had a connection to them as players.

BadBobbyJenks
08-18-2006, 02:25 PM
got to be ray ray for me, I was about 10 when he broke in for the sox and always played 2nd in little leauge with the number 5 if I could get it.

areilly
08-18-2006, 02:42 PM
I'll cast another vote for Jack McDowell. His departure coinciding with the strike really marked the end of an era (http://planetreilly.blogspot.com/2006/07/everything-i-need-to-know-in-life-i.html) for me.

SouthSide_HitMen
08-18-2006, 02:44 PM
Traded away - Baines, Lemon
Free Agents - Ventura, Thomas, Zisk / Gamble

Baines, Lemon and Ventura were three of my favorites. I hated losing Zisk and Gamble after 1977. I was Frank was healthy enough over the past few seasons to still be here even though I wasn't his biggest fan earlier.

Hitmen77
08-18-2006, 03:37 PM
Bucky Dent. (certainly paid rewards 6 years later though)

Trading Baines was tough, but it was a trade that had to be made and paid rewards.

When I was a kid, I wasn't happy when we traded Gary Peters and Tommy Agee.

In the end, by trading Bucky Dent, we wound up with Ozzie Guillen.

IIRC, we traded Dent to NY for Oscar Gamble and some minor leaguer named LaMarr Hoyt - who helped us win the AL West in 1983. Then the Sox were smart enough to trade Hoyt at pretty much his peak value for a highly touted prospect in the Padres' system named Ozzie Guillen.

Oblong
08-18-2006, 03:43 PM
Come on, Chet Lemon? Steve Kemp is well worth the trade off!

Lip Man 1
08-18-2006, 03:54 PM
Oblong:

Lemon was traded because he apparently verbally agreed on a contract extension but then had second thoughts and never signed it. He talks about the situation in his interview with WSI.

Basically he forced Roland's hand because the Sox didn't want to risk losing him for nothing. Apparently they felt they at least had a chance to re-sign Kemp (who was also a free agent after the season) but felt after Chet didn't sign the agreement that they had zero chance to get him back.

Lip

Oblong
08-18-2006, 04:01 PM
Wow, I did not know that. That's good information. I will search for that interview.

I barely remember the trade, I was born in 1973. I only knew of Kemp because my older sisters thought he was cute.

CommanderPudge72
08-18-2006, 05:07 PM
Trades:

1. Chet Lemon - never really had the all-around player in Center to replace him.
2. Wilson Alverez - obvious reasons

Dishonorable Releases/Let-Gos:

1. FISK - the manner was deplorable and it actually took a long time for me to come back to the Sox.....don't even get me started on the WFT...it started the period in which the Sox were acting like today's Hawks as far as fan friendliness...thank God that's over.

2. Richie Zisk - thought he was going to be an anchor for the Sox, but I was six years old...what did I know.

Goodman6
08-19-2006, 12:49 AM
[quote=Wsoxmike59]Luis Aparicio, when he was traded the 2nd time. I was 10 years old and literally pitched a fit in my upstairs bedroom upon hearing the news! :angry:

I remember that day as if it was yesterday. I think the exact date was January 14, 1963. I was 14 years old at the time and Luis Aparicio was my favorite player. I still wear my Aparicio jersey to many of the Sox games.

You are correct that the trade of Aparicio along with Al Smith netted the Sox some good players in Pete Ward, Hoyt Wilhelm and Ron Hansen. I never was much of a Dave Nicholson fan, but the Sox won 98 games in 1964 with these guys. Of course having a lights out starting rotation that included Gary Peters (20 -8), Juan Pizarro (19 - 9) and Joel Horlen (1.88 ERA) to go along with a bullpen that included Wilhelm and Eddie Fisher sure helped in winning those 98 games.

Goodman6
08-19-2006, 12:53 AM
Im shocked 5 1/2 pages so far and only 1 mention of Aaron Rowand.

And I am shocked nobody mentioned the departure of Todd Ritchie. How soon we forget.

ode to veeck
08-19-2006, 01:32 AM
As much as you knew it was gonna happen with Veeck's mid 70s rent-a-player scheme, I hated seeing guys like Bucky Dent and Oscar Gamble leave a talented Sox team and then go win rings for king George and the hated Yankees. Zisk was another one in the same category.

Nellie_Fox
08-19-2006, 02:14 AM
Four in my lifetime: Fox, Pierce, Aparicio, and Baines.Sums it up for me. I was pissed when Baines was traded, but I though I'd been gut-shot when Nellie was traded.

TornLabrum
08-19-2006, 10:16 AM
Sums it up for me. I was pissed when Baines was traded, but I though I'd been gut-shot when Nellie was traded.

I always look at the bright side, at least in retrospect. Trading Nellie meant he got a chance to work with Joe Morgan in Houston who in turn really pushed to get Nellie into the HOF.

Paulwny
08-19-2006, 10:23 AM
I always look at the bright side, at least in retrospect. Trading Nellie meant he got a chance to work with Joe Morgan in Houston who in turn really pushed to get Nellie into the HOF.

For this reason, I'll always be a Morgan fan.

Railsplitter
08-19-2006, 11:39 AM
Too many, through the years: Bill Melton, Chet Lemon, Ron Kittle, Harold Baines.

STRETCH!!!
08-19-2006, 07:23 PM
Even in that case, it still isn't the disaster that most people label WFT as.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I'm with Lip et al. on this one. It may not have been a disaster, but it stunk. Cleveland only won 87 games that year, so it may have cost us a division title. But more importantly, it was soulless - nobody likes a quitter and that's how it felt - it felt like the organization was being run by a bunch of quitters.

chisoxfan64
08-19-2006, 09:03 PM
Ed Herrmann, Chet Lemon, Harold Baines, Harold Baines.

Brian26
08-19-2006, 09:09 PM
I always look at the bright side, at least in retrospect. Trading Nellie meant he got a chance to work with Joe Morgan in Houston who in turn really pushed to get Nellie into the HOF.

Did Nellie retire early because of health reasons or was it just his time to hang it up? I think he only played a couple of seasons in Houston ('64/'65?) after the Sox traded him.

TornLabrum
08-19-2006, 10:52 PM
Did Nellie retire early because of health reasons or was it just his time to hang it up? I think he only played a couple of seasons in Houston ('64/'65?) after the Sox traded him.

It was time to hang 'em up. His .300-hitting days were over, and guys like him hitting .250-.275 really aren't worth much offensively. He was more or less a player-coach for Houston, and his project was to work with Joe Morgan. In fact, I think he played a lot of 3B with the Colts.

Johnny74
08-19-2006, 11:58 PM
Frank Thomas, Carlton Fisk, Ed Farmer.

SOXfnNlansing
08-20-2006, 12:00 AM
I wish we could have kept Ray Durham. On opening day I think it was 2000 he made an incredible catch and I was so close to the action. I always liked him.

TruWhiteSoxFan11
08-20-2006, 01:25 AM
Willie Harris and Ray Durham..are my 2 biggest losses

Willie had a huge heart and always gave 110% he may not of hit home runs, but he stole bases when he played, had great defense and also clutch hits



Durham kicks ass enough said:D:

Nellie_Fox
08-20-2006, 02:07 AM
It was time to hang 'em up. His .300-hitting days were over, and guys like him hitting .250-.275 really aren't worth much offensively. He was more or less a player-coach for Houston, and his project was to work with Joe Morgan. In fact, I think he played a lot of 3B with the Colts.I didn't remember that, although it was awfully tough in those days to continue to follow Nellie once he left Chicago, other than to check a boxscore. So, I just went to baseball-reference.com and it shows that he only played six games at third base, all in his last year, 1965. That was, however, the most games he played at any position that year. He had two games at first and only one at second.

Yeah, in retrospect it worked out well for the HOF thing, and Morgan still has nothing but good things to say about Nellie. It's one reason I just can't dislike Morgan like so many posters do.

Zisk77
08-20-2006, 02:12 AM
Harold Baines. Although Zisk, Ventura, and Blackjack (what a gamer) leaving as free agents hurt bad. 1 dog really grew on me too.

we be jake
08-20-2006, 11:19 AM
Sammy Sosa was not on steroids yet but he was still a punk bitch hot dog. Good riddance.


I wonder how things would have turned out if Sammy would have listened to Charley Lau and hit for average?

Also, I'll never forget the pain of seeing Little Looie in a Orioles Uniform.

warehouse823
08-21-2006, 01:01 AM
Lee "ROCKY" Biddle

Thome25
08-21-2006, 08:35 AM
A couple of people on here voted for Robin and Magglio. Those two were NOT traded they left via free agency.

My vote has to go to Harold. They traded him away twice. Once to Texas and once to Baltimore. Broke my heart both times.

XOS THW
08-21-2006, 04:03 PM
Carlos Lee

rbeze09
08-21-2006, 08:45 PM
carlos lee. pods was good last yr, but i absolutley detest seeing him in the lineup these days...pods u r garbage

via free agency---the days robin and frank left were very sad days in this sox fans life

mjharrison72
08-21-2006, 09:15 PM
None. My loyalty to any player begins and ends with the silver and black.
Damn... that's hardcore.
For me, it's happened thrice, if you count Ventura... otherwise, Fisk and Rowand, so twice.

SABRSox
08-21-2006, 09:42 PM
Jeremy Reed

Nellie_Fox
08-22-2006, 01:05 AM
Damn... that's hardcore.Actually, it's the epitome of Jerry Seinfeld's observation that we're really rooting for laundry.

qpropaganda
08-22-2006, 11:06 AM
had to be when the sox traded my life long hero, harold...I remember being so incredibly angry & upset but also feeling like I was too old to cry about it...I held it back...

aclaar877
08-22-2006, 01:26 PM
Though I knew he was at the end, and Karkovice needed more playing time, the way Fisk was let go was awful. I remember finding out about it from SportsCenter, and they showed him sitting in the stands in Cleveland, bummed out, during a Sox-Indians game. He wasn't even in the front rows, either. It was like he had to go to the ticket window and buy his way in. I read that the Sox didn't even let him in the clubhouse during the '93 playoffs.

I was pleased to see the statue added at the Cell, and the recent WS ring presentation.

Foulke You
08-22-2006, 02:18 PM
It would have to be my namesake Keith Foulke being traded for Billy Koch and Neal Cotts. Manuel took the closer job away from Foulke in '02 after a tough stretch (which most closers go through) and then he never gave him another chance at meaningful relief appearances reducing him to mop up duty. Manuel felt Antonio Osuna was a bigger time closer than Keith apparently.

joshua1024
08-25-2006, 11:51 AM
Tommy John
Goose Gossage
Chad Bradford
Keith Foulke

. . . . Does anyone think we got the better of any of those deals?:angry: :angry: :angry:

Kub_Killer_15
08-25-2006, 11:58 AM
Ray Durham

johnr1note
08-25-2006, 05:08 PM
Tommy John
Goose Gossage
Chad Bradford
Keith Foulke

. . . . Does anyone think we got the better of any of those deals?:angry: :angry: :angry:

Tommy John got us Dick Allen -- how can you say that was bad? Yes, John had a great, lenghty career, but I don't think he would have helped us like Allen did -- Dick Allen reinvigorated a franchise that MLB wanted to relocate. I believe without Dick, today, the only MLB in CHicago might be the Cubs.

Gossage got us Richie Zisk -- a short term good thing -- would Sox management have been smart enough back then to have kept Gossage in the bullpen? After being the closer for a year, the Sox put him back in the rotation the year before he was traded.

Bradford netted the Sox a "player to be named later," who turned out to be
Miguel Olivo. So sending Chad packing helped us get Freddy Garcia.

Half of the price for Foulke was Cotts, a key ingredient to our Title run last year. And considering Foulke's health issues, maybe it wasn't such a bad deal after all.

For me, my favorite player to be traded away was Aparicio. He was my Sox hero as a little kid.

But the worst trade for the Sox as far as what we gave away compared to what we got back -- in my lifetime -- wasn't Sammy Sosa. At least George Bell helped us win a division title. I'd have to say it was when they traded Gary Peters for Syd O'Brien and Jerry Janeski. Peters would go on to win 30 games for the Red Sox over the next 2 seasons. O'brien would play one year for the White Sox, barely hit his weight and committed 30 errors, while Jerry "Wheat Germ Kid" Janeski would pitch one year and nearly lose 20 games, all this for a couple of White Sox teams that set franchise records for futility. With the team on the verge of being relocated, it was (next to Jerry's abortive attempt to move the team to Florida) one of the darkest times in Sox history.

flo-B-flo
08-25-2006, 07:30 PM
Little Louie.....my first big disappointment in baseball
Baines...........Someone mentioned him in an Oriole uny...that hurt
Black Jack......tough guy...loved him
Tommie Agee...admired his all around play

flo-B-flo
08-25-2006, 07:35 PM
I'd have to say it was when they traded Gary Peters for Syd O'Brien and Jerry Janeski. Peters would go on to win 30 games for the Red Sox over the next 2 seasons. O'brien would play one year for the White Sox, barely hit his weight and committed 30 errors, while Jerry "Wheat Germ Kid" Janeski would pitch one year and nearly lose 20 games, all this for a couple of White Sox teams that set franchise records for futility. With the team on the verge of being relocated, it was (next to Jerry's abortive attempt to move the team to Florida) one of the darkest times in Sox history. I forgot about this unfortunate one. And dark times indeed.

we be jake
08-26-2006, 07:34 AM
Luis Aparicio, Luis Aparicio (traded twice), Billy Pierce, Nellie Fox, Jim Landis, Minnie Minoso, Chico Carrasquel, Ozzie Guillen, ...

How many outstanding players have finished their careers with the Sox? Fisk, Seaver. Maybe the last who played the prime of his career with the Sox and retired from the Sox was Luke Appling.

.

Maybe not the calibre of Fisk and Seaver and maybe not for as long at the end of their career, but I remember Big Klu and Big Lu(zin) both of whom would have been legends here had their best and younger years been with the Sox. I think they both retired as Sox but am not sure.
Can you think of others? (Just what did you mean by "outstanding"? lol)

:cool: we be jake

HerzogVon
08-26-2006, 09:14 AM
Norm Cash, no question about it. Of all of "Veeck as in reek"'s fire sale trades after the 1959 season, that was the most gut wrenching. Callison, Batty and Romano all hurt, but Cash? He had superstar written all over him, even if that term wasn't yet in the lexicon. Hell, I was still in junior high, but I will NEVER forget ~ nor forgive!

DocWolf
08-28-2006, 06:35 PM
Melton, along with Steve Dunning to Cal for Jimmy Spencer and Morris Nettles:(:

woodsdavid
08-28-2006, 07:35 PM
I remember vividly: Steve Heuser, another Chicago area guy, standing in the doorway of my dorm room at Foster-Martin III at IU telling me that Harry Caray left the Sox' booth for the Cubs'.

Harry said he wanted to be on free TV. Sox were doing some crazy things w/ cable and subscripition TV back then.

What a betrayal.

I think Royko went from the S-T to the Trib that year too.

The world had gone crazy.

wsoxgalkelly
08-28-2006, 08:59 PM
The best 3rd baseman ever!!! ROBIN VENTURA! I still wear his jersey to all the ball games that I go to!!!!!:bandance:
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/images/cards/337.jpg

PalehosePlanet
08-28-2006, 09:16 PM
At the time that the following trades happened it brought tears to my eyes: LaMarr Hoyt for Ozzie Guillen, Luis Salazar and Tim Lollar, the Baines/Manrique for Sosa, Alvarez and Fletcher and the 'White Flag Trade' of course.

I was okay with the trades a after a while but they broke my heart at the time.

NoShoesJoe
08-28-2006, 09:24 PM
All of Bill Veeck's rent-a-players, especially Ritchie Zisk, and Oscar Gamble. How about Rich Gossage? Chet Lemon?

BA: The Hitman
08-28-2006, 09:53 PM
It was definitely painful to see robin ventura go

the white flag trade in 97 was also painful. I was still in my early teens and didn't fully understand that side of baseball and couldn't understand why they would trade those guys when they were so close.

bafiarocks03
08-28-2006, 09:56 PM
This is my kind of thread!

WILLIE HARRIS
Aaron Rowand
D'Angelo Jimenez
Magglio Ordonez
Miguel Olivo
Carlos Lee
Tony Graffanino
Scott Schoenweis (see i can't even spell his name anymore)
etc.

TomBradley72
08-28-2006, 11:48 PM
Not a player, but: Roland Hemond

A great GM and a great guy....coming off a 1985 season where they won 85 games. He wasn't really replaced until KW became GM.

pudge
08-29-2006, 01:12 AM
Sosa was the trade I was most sick over, because I thought Sosa was going to be amazing - plus we lost Baines for Sosa. Losing Baines was the hardest in terms of likeability, but it had to be done.

I'm one of the few who didn't mind the white flag trade.

Nellie_Fox
08-29-2006, 01:16 AM
Sosa was the trade I was most sick over, because I thought Sosa was going to be amazing - plus we lost Baines for Sosa. Losing Baines was the hardest in terms of likeability, but it had to be done.

I'm one of the few who didn't mind the white flag trade.Wow, you disliked trading away Sosa (you knew he was going to discover steroids?) and were happy with the WFT? You are "one of the few."

Domeshot17
08-29-2006, 01:24 PM
Aaron Rowand was really tough, not that I think the Thome deal was bad, because I love it, but just because good or bad the guy played his butt off. I had the pleasure of meeting and chatting with him a few times, and he was such a down to earth guy. I'll always miss Rowand, even if I think BA and Thome are better.

Frank Thomas (not traded tho) was big to me too. Being 21, I grew up idolozing Thomas when I was a kid. In the back yard when someone is Ken Griffey JR and Some else Chipper Jones playing home derby, I was always the big hurt. His leaving was probably as big as Reggie Miller walking away in INDY. The only 2 things that killed it were him playing for another team and his big mouth.

Ventura hurt also because he was one of my dads favorites and was another guy I Grew up watching.

Nowadays though, I think Frank set the bar at the last long term Sox player. If we keep Paulie all 5 years, he could reach that status too. Paulie has quickly become my favorite over the last few years, and Im really glad we arent adding his name to this list.

markopat
08-29-2006, 01:35 PM
Robin Ventura...no question.

johnr1note
08-29-2006, 02:17 PM
"Gary Peters for WHO?" my dad yelled I forgot about this unfortunate one. And dark times indeed.

I laughed out loud, as this was MY Father's reaction to the very same trade. Sometimes, being a White Sox fan means that it only hurts when we laugh.

davenicholson
08-29-2006, 02:18 PM
[quote=Wsoxmike59] I never was much of a Dave Nicholson fan
HEY NOW!!!!

beebee richards
08-29-2006, 02:19 PM
Robin, and I must admint... Magglio.

I am only 22, however - no real experience with guys from before the late-eighties...

Magglio was a free agent!! That being said, Dick Allen