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chisoxfanatic
08-15-2006, 01:11 AM
Not to discredit what Thome's done this season. He's been HUGE in our offensive soxess; however, if I were to lable a team MVP at this moment, I'd have to choose Jermaine Dye, because he's not only been big and clutch with the bat, but he's also had to continue doing it on the field. He's taken away so many sure base hits from opposing batters and has held runners very well (people know he has a strong arm and won't test it).

Who would you go with, and why?

realflava23
08-15-2006, 01:26 AM
JD, the reason you just stated.

FedEx227
08-15-2006, 01:27 AM
Coin toss between Crede and Dye.

Mohoney
08-15-2006, 01:28 AM
I'm going with Bobby Jenks. In a season with a few very inconsistent stretches with our pitching, this guy has been getting those last 3 outs all season long.

The guy has been nails, especially when we really needed it.

voodoochile
08-15-2006, 01:28 AM
Dye is having an amazing year and the numbers are very close between them with Dye having an edge in RBI (1) and BA. The deciding factor for me is how opposing teams pitch to the two of them. Thome has been walked 31 more times than Dye this season and he and PK have the 1 and 3 OBP on the team (Dye is 2). Jermaine is CONSTANTLY coming up to bat with at least one of those guys on base and it helps his RBI production. Plus, he gets to see a LOT more fastballs because often there isn't anywhere to put him without putting at least two guys on.

Our top of the order guys haven't been anything spectacular this season with both of them putting up OBP less than other pennant contenders (for the 1 and 2 slots). How amazing would Thome's numbers be if Pods had continued to get on base at a .380 clip all year like the premier leadoff hitters do?

Wouldn't mind seeing Dye and PK switch lineup slots, but why mess with success...

DSpivack
08-15-2006, 01:43 AM
Dye is having an amazing year and the numbers are very close between them with Dye having an edge in RBI (1) and BA. The deciding factor for me is how opposing teams pitch to the two of them. Thome has been walked 31 more times than Dye this season and he and PK have the 1 and 3 OBP on the team (Dye is 2). Jermaine is CONSTANTLY coming up to bat with at least one of those guys on base and it helps his RBI production. Plus, he gets to see a LOT more fastballs because often there isn't anywhere to put him without putting at least two guys on.

Our top of the order guys haven't been anything spectacular this season with both of them putting up OBP less than other pennant contenders (for the 1 and 2 slots). How amazing would Thome's numbers be if Pods had continued to get on base at a .380 clip all year like the premier leadoff hitters do?

Wouldn't mind seeing Dye and PK switch lineup slots, but why mess with success...
This is why I would vote for Thome. He is much more important to this lineup than anyone else. I think Konerko is getting more pitches than he would otherwise and Dye is getting RBI opportunities because of what Mr. Incredible brings.

JRIG
08-15-2006, 01:55 AM
I'm going with Bobby Jenks. In a season with a few very inconsistent stretches with our pitching, this guy has been getting those last 3 outs all season long.

The guy has been nails, especially when we really needed it.

Here's why I could never support this: the White Sox have played 117 games this year, meaning they've been played at minimum 1055 innings.

Bobby Jenks has pitched in 55 innings. That's 5% of the total. And even some of that has been in a mop-up role when he needs work, while some has been when the Sox are behind and he has to keep things close.

To be an MVP when you have an impact on only 5% of the season at most...you've got to be having one of the most amazing seasons by a reliever of all-time. Which, as good as Jenks has been, he is not.

For some perspective, Thome has about 450 plate appearances out of about 4550 for the team. Which means not taking into account how he impacts the rest of the lineup....he's been directly involved in about 10% of our offensive chances.

As good as Jenks has been, I can't even put him in the team picture for MVP -- Thome, Dye, Konerko, Crede, Contreras, maybe even Pierzynski all come first.

cbotnyse
08-15-2006, 02:05 AM
I hate this thread becuase i cannot decide. I went with Dye. Crede is close behind, and Thome is even closer.

CaptainBallz
08-15-2006, 02:06 AM
:dye:
Nicest Man in Baseball...

Jurr
08-15-2006, 10:54 AM
Nobody has come up with the winning impact of Dye. His defense has been fantastic, his clutch hitting rivals Ortiz, and he's been consistent all year.

DaleJRFan
08-15-2006, 10:55 AM
Coin toss between Crede and Dye.

Man, what a tough call. WHAT A TEAM!

Justagirl
08-15-2006, 11:03 AM
It was hard for me to decide between JD and Crede, but I went with JD because:
Nobody has come up with the winning impact of Dye. His defense has been fantastic, his clutch hitting rivals Ortiz, and he's been consistent all year.

1917
08-15-2006, 11:12 AM
Dye should be the AL MVP

Baby Fisk
08-15-2006, 11:26 AM
You could easily pick any of the guys on that list, but Ol' Giraffe Legs, Jon Garland, is quietly carrying this team on his back. Slow start, yes, and it's only every fifth day, but Garland is the one most consistently leading us to the finish. No flash, no drama, no excuses, solid performances every game. That's MVP stuff. :thumbsup:

soxfan13
08-15-2006, 11:30 AM
Have to go with Thome. The beginning of the year he threw the team on his shoulders and carried them. Not to bash Dye because I think hes awesome, but I think alot of his success is because of Thome and Konerko. As stated earlier in this post Dye is seeing alot more fastballs because of the high OBP of Thome and Konerko. Take either one of them out of the lineup for an extended period of time I dont think he would see alot of the pitches he is seeing now.

viagracat
08-15-2006, 11:34 AM
Dye is Mr Clutch. Always seems to get that big hit when we need one.

my5thbench
08-15-2006, 11:35 AM
I've been on Dye's bandwagon for quite a while, he's been amazing

soxinem1
08-15-2006, 03:09 PM
Here's why I could never support this: the White Sox have played 117 games this year, meaning they've been played at minimum 1055 innings.

Bobby Jenks has pitched in 55 innings. That's 5% of the total. And even some of that has been in a mop-up role when he needs work, while some has been when the Sox are behind and he has to keep things close.

To be an MVP when you have an impact on only 5% of the season at most...you've got to be having one of the most amazing seasons by a reliever of all-time. Which, as good as Jenks has been, he is not.

For some perspective, Thome has about 450 plate appearances out of about 4550 for the team. Which means not taking into account how he impacts the rest of the lineup....he's been directly involved in about 10% of our offensive chances.

As good as Jenks has been, I can't even put him in the team picture for MVP -- Thome, Dye, Konerko, Crede, Contreras, maybe even Pierzynski all come first.

Your perspective has actually leaned me towards Dye, when I was originally for Jenks. Not only has Dye performed in the clutch, his 2 out RBI numbers are by far better than anything he has done in his career. His defense has been much better than last year, so for now, I'd have to say JD.

Watching the Sox/Tigers this weekend reminded me what I like about Dye and couldn't stand about Maggs, being that Maggs ALWAYS thinks he can throw the runner out at home, which just allows other runners to move up a base (or two). JD rarely does this.

Ol' No. 2
08-15-2006, 03:18 PM
Dye should be the AL MVPAbsolutely.

BainesHOF
08-15-2006, 03:36 PM
1. Jenks, also a Cy Young candidate
2. Dye, a close second
3. Thome
4. Crede
5. Konerko

Chisox003
08-15-2006, 03:39 PM
1. Jenks, also a Cy Young candidate
2. Dye, a close second
3. Thome
4. Crede
5. Konerko
Jenks?

How can you make a case for a guy being MVP when he plays 1, MAYBE 2 innings every couple games?

He's been HUGE, yes, but Dye is in there day in, day out, getting big hits, consistently playing great defense and doing everything that an MVP consists of. Power, batting average, RBIs, you name it.

JD is the AL Mvp.

StatHead21
08-15-2006, 04:45 PM
1. Jenks, also a Cy Young candidate
2. Dye, a close second
3. Thome
4. Crede
5. Konerko

Sox would be just fine w/out Jenks. People obsess over closers because closers give them a cozy feeling in the 9th.

Thome and Dye are equally valuable. Crede has been great but he's not the MVP.

RowanDye
08-15-2006, 04:51 PM
:anderson:

... with JD a close second.

digdagdug23
08-15-2006, 04:54 PM
Sox would be just fine w/out Jenks. People obsess over closers because closers give them a cozy feeling in the 9th.

Thome and Dye are equally valuable. Crede has been great but he's not the MVP.

Mighty big statement to make, especially the way Jenks has finished games. I sincerely doubt we would be just fine; maybe okay, but it would just not be the same bullpen. Bobby almost seems to thrive on the finish, and IMO does very well the longer the season goes. Thrust into the spotlight last year, he didn't shy away, he lit it up, and continues to do so. I wouldn't be so non chalant in reference to what he brings to this team, especially right now. A closer may only pitch an inning or two, but the job and the pressure of a closer is entirely different than a set-up guy, or even a starter. I would say Rivera is probably one of the best closers in the game, with Bobby a close #2. Not that I would consider him for MVP of the team, but ya gotta give the guy his props.

That being said, see my sig (ala JJav :D: ) for whom I voted for.