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ZombieRob
08-15-2006, 12:54 AM
IMO Dye.Not just becuse im a Sox fan .I have a hard time giving it to a D.H.Granted Big-Fatty has has big clutch home-runs ,but he doesn't play the field.Dye is an above avg. right fielder has had huge hits this year.Maybe not the Big flashy home-runs Big-Fatty gets.But Dye gets, i believe the same amount of big time hits via without the home-run.

chisoxfanatic
08-15-2006, 12:56 AM
If the Red Sox don't make the playoffs, then I'd say Dye HANDS DOWN!

If the Red Sox do make the playoffs, then I'd say Dye hands down!

What I'm trying to say is that Jermaine Dye = MVP! :D:

ZombieRob
08-15-2006, 12:58 AM
If the Red Sox don't make the playoffs, then I'd say Dye HANDS DOWN!

If the Red Sox do make the playoffs, then I'd say Dye hands down!

What I'm trying to say is that Jermaine Dye = MVP! :D:

My fear is the ol'east coast propaganda machine.Just becuse he plays in Boston may be enough in most eyes.

voodoochile
08-15-2006, 12:59 AM
I'd pick Thome over Dye. He has been the catalyst for this team all season long starting with his huge jack on opening night after the rain delay.

Dye has had a great season and is definitely an offensive and defensive leader, but Mr Incredible has just been, well.... Mr. Incredible...

I feel like that little kid on the big wheel at the end of the movie. "Do something amazing." Then find myself standing and going, "WOW he did it again."

CubsfansareDRUNK
08-15-2006, 01:00 AM
I disagree Voodoo. If they're going to give it to a DH, it's going to Ortiz.

chisoxfanatic
08-15-2006, 01:01 AM
My fear is the ol'east coast propaganda machine.Just becuse he plays in Boston may be enough in most eyes.

I understand your laments, believe me I do; but, you cannot discount the number of runs the Dye has saved with his great defense out there in RF! He does it with the bat AND IN THE FIELD!

Dye = MVP...at least in my eyes!

ZombieRob
08-15-2006, 01:03 AM
I know Thomas won it as a D.H but wern't his all around season totals better then Big-Fattys? I know not in home-runs or r.b.i's but on base % ,hits,avg were better right?

voodoochile
08-15-2006, 01:03 AM
I disagree Voodoo. If they're going to give it to a DH, it's going to Ortiz.
Which has nothing to do with my point. I think Thome has been more valuable than Dye this season. Not by a ton, but still more valuable.

Give Dye the Silver Slugger award and heck, throw in a gold glove, but if a Sox player wins the MVP and it isn't Thome, it's highway robbery...

ZombieRob
08-15-2006, 01:06 AM
I understand your laments, believe me I do; but, you cannot discount the number of runs the Dye has saved with his great defense out there in RF! He does it with the bat AND IN THE FIELD!

Dye = MVP...at least in my eyes!

Yea , i know thats why it worries me Ortiz will steal it becuse of his "name" alone and were he plays. Dye may not be the so called "sexy" player Ortiz is on the national level ,but if they still kept stats for GW hits and big hits he'd probably have more then Ortiz plus big plays in the OF.

chisoxfanatic
08-15-2006, 01:09 AM
Which has nothing to do with my point. I think Thome has been more valuable than Dye this season. Not by a ton, but still more valuable.

Give Dye the Silver Slugger award and heck, throw in a gold glove, but if a Sox player wins the MVP and it isn't Thome, it's highway robbery...
Not to discredit what Thome's done this season. He's been HUGE in our offensive soxess; however, if I were to lable a team MVP at this moment, I'd have to choose Jermaine Dye, because he's not only been big and clutch with the bat, but he's also had to continue doing it on the field. He's taken away so many sure base hits from opposing batters and has held runners very well (people know he has a strong arm and won't test it).

CubsfansareDRUNK
08-15-2006, 01:10 AM
Which has nothing to do with my point. I think Thome has been more valuable than Dye this season. Not by a ton, but still more valuable.

Give Dye the Silver Slugger award and heck, throw in a gold glove, but if a Sox player wins the MVP and it isn't Thome, it's highway robbery...

I took it the wrong way because this thread's titled "MVP: Ortiz or Dye"

JRIG
08-15-2006, 01:14 AM
I'd pick Thome over Dye. He has been the catalyst for this team all season long starting with his huge jack on opening night after the rain delay.

Dye has had a great season and is definitely an offensive and defensive leader, but Mr Incredible has just been, well.... Mr. Incredible...

I feel like that little kid on the big wheel at the end of the movie. "Do something amazing." Then find myself standing and going, "WOW he did it again."

I agree. It's almost as if Thome has been so amazing and so important to this team that we start to overlook his contributions. Almost take them for granted.

Dye's been outstanding this year, and almost as good as Thome. But #25 has been our MVP this year from Day 1.

ZombieRob
08-15-2006, 01:21 AM
I agree. It's almost as if Thome has been so amazing and so important to this team that we start to overlook his contributions. Almost take them for granted.

Dye's been outstanding this year, and almost as good as Thome. But #25 has been our MVP this year from Day 1.


Bad thing is They'd give it to HGH Ortiz before Thome im afraid .The reason i said Dye is becuse i think national media wise he'd have a better chance in the voting then Thome. In Detriot they are puching Maggs for comeback player of the year..That should be an automatic for Thome .if he doesnt get that ,then you know something is fishy.Especially when alot of media outlets were saying Thome seen his better days and is injury prone,when infact he's only had one year with extended downtime due to injury.

PKalltheway
08-15-2006, 01:31 AM
JD should get MVP, but I know it will be Fat Papa. If Dye doesn't win it, then it should be Thome. Like I said though, it'll probably be Fat Papa. Just think, six years ago, ESPN was bitching that Frank Thomas shouldn't get the MVP because he was a DH. What a bunch of ****ing hypocrates.

gobears1987
08-15-2006, 01:34 AM
Dye!!!

Chisox003
08-15-2006, 01:35 AM
I think both Dye and Crede should come before Thome, but hey that's just me. If it came down to those 3, I think we can all agree it really doesn't matter.

But if it were between Dye and Ortiz, here's how I judge it. The better team and the guy who plays defense. I hate seeing DH's get it, no matter how dominating they are. JD has been clutch, consistent and played nearly flawless D in right field.

I've said it since a while ago, Dye = MVP.

Edit: After actually reading this thread, I might have to lay back on the DH hating! But if it were to come down to the 2 DH's, Thome and Ortiz, Jim wouldn't stand a chance since his Sox are white and not red. Oh well, to hell with individual awards. I want the big one back!

DSpivack
08-15-2006, 01:37 AM
Thome is having a fantastic season, but Ortiz is putting up ridiculous numbers. He has 41 HRs and 110 RBIs and it's August 15. Eastern bias or not, he deserves it.

Also, Frank Thomas did NOT win his MVPs while a DH. In 1993 he played 150 games at 1B and 4 at DH. In 1994 he played 99 games at 1B and 14 at DH. In 1993 Thomas went .317 /.426 /.607 with 41 HRs and 128 RBIs. In 113 games the following year, .353/.487/.729 with 38 HRs and 101 RBIs; the season ended August 14, convenient for comparing stats right now.

Thome has 36 HRs and 87 RBIs, hitting .299/.417/.630. Ortiz, along with 41 HRs and 110 RBIs, is hitting .284/.396/.618. The power numbers are similar, but I would also say that Ortiz is more meaningful to his team than Thome is, especially with all those walkoffs.

The numbers also go to show what an amazing season Frank was having in 1994.:angry:

cbotnyse
08-15-2006, 01:45 AM
I agree. It's almost as if Thome has been so amazing and so important to this team that we start to overlook his contributions. Almost take them for granted.

Dye's been outstanding this year, and almost as good as Thome. But #25 has been our MVP this year from Day 1.I think that statement can just as easily be attributed to Dye. Dye is the ultimate professional who goes out and contributes everyday. He is clutch when he needs to be, and his defense is as good as anybody.

That however, takes nothing away from Thome....He has definitely far exceeded my expectations this year and has been an enormous contributor as well.

I am on the fence on this one right now.

O yeah, was there some else we were talking about? ortiz? yeah he's good too.

Iguana775
08-15-2006, 08:01 AM
whether they deserve it or not, i think the MVP will be playing in a Red Sox or Yankee uniform. I seriously doubt that a White Sox player will win it no matter how well they do. especially with all the ortiz and Manny love.

soxtalker
08-15-2006, 08:49 AM
I suspect that the Boston/NY bias will be considerably lessened this year. The Sox are getting a lot of media attention after winning it all last year, KW's off-season moves, etc. The attention may not be at the level that Sox fans would like, but it's still pretty good.

Having said that, I'd have to guess that if the voting were taken today, Ortiz would be an easy winner. His game-winning HR's are becoming legendary, and, while they have other good hitters on that team, he seems to be carrying them often.

But there's an important part of the season remaining, and a lot will depend upon who wins.

soxfanatlanta
08-15-2006, 09:12 AM
As much as I want Dye to win with his all around performance, Ortiz's dramatics will probably to get the nod this year. It's a shame that JD does not get as much media love as he deserves, wrong time zone I guess. I guess he will have to settle for another WS ring.

NoNeckEra
08-15-2006, 09:15 AM
I think if a Sox player doesn't win MVP, and in all liklihood they won't, it's a tribute to our balance.

Boston is a two man show, so in reality, Ortiz is the only clutch thing they've got. I think he's much more feared than any other hitter in the league at this point, and for that reason, he's the huge favorite.

MsSoxVixen22
08-15-2006, 09:25 AM
Jermaine Dye....without a doubt! :gulp: Keep up the good work!

Chicken Dinner
08-15-2006, 09:33 AM
I really don't think it matters as long as someone from the White Sox wins the WS MVP. :D:

hold2dibber
08-15-2006, 09:46 AM
If you compare the offensive stats (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?c_id=mlb&section1=1&statSet1=1&sortByStat=HR&statType=1&timeFrame=1&timeSubFrame=2006&baseballScope=mlb&prevPage1=1&readBoxes=true&teamPosCode=All&box2=XXXX120074bosD&box4=XXXX123272chaD&box8=XXXX114739nyaD&box12=XXXX113679chaO&compare.x=27&compare.y=6) of Thome, Dye and Ortiz (with Giambi thrown in for kicks - I've started to hear his name thrown around as an MVP candidate), I'd say they show Ortiz being a slight nod ahead of Thoome and Dye, who are having equivalent offensive seasons, with Giambi 4th. With those numbers, I'd say Dye's D pushes him to the front of the pack. Also, IMHO, Dye has been more valuable to the Sox than Thome because he has been more consistent (I haven't checked to see if this is confirmed by the stats) -- Dye just seems to get it done day in and day out, whereas Thome is a little more "peaks and valleys".

EastCoastSoxFan
08-15-2006, 09:57 AM
People often forget that the award is called Most VALUABLE Player, not The Player With The Best Statistics At The End Of The Season.
There are all kinds of players who put up great numbers for lousy teams (see Dawson, Andre, circa 1987); but that doesn't mean they were more valuable to their team's success than, say, Roger Clemens in 1986 -- I'm pretty sure that 14 of his 24 wins that season came after a Red Sox loss, which is incredibly valuable in helping keep his team out of losing streaks.

Jermaine Dye is on pace for the best statistical season of his career, and he has come through with enough clutch hits to avoid any A-Rod comparisons; but if you're talking about which player is most valuable to the White Sox, I'd have to go with Thome, not only for his production but also for the fear factor he brings to the lineup. Our lineup last year was very good, but there wasn't really anyone who the opposing pitcher felt they HAD to pitch around.

Thome changes the whole complexion of our lineup in the same way that Frank did when he was in his prime.

SOXBOY
08-15-2006, 09:59 AM
Dye.

hold2dibber
08-15-2006, 10:01 AM
People often forget that the award is called Most VALUABLE Player, not The Player With The Best Statistics At The End Of The Season.
There are all kinds of players who put up great numbers for lousy teams (see Dawson, Andre, circa 1987); but that doesn't mean they were more valuable to their team's success than, say, Roger Clemens in 1986 -- I'm pretty sure that 14 of his 24 wins that season came after a Red Sox loss, which is incredibly valuable in helping keep his team out of losing streaks.

Jermaine Dye is on pace for the best statistical season of his career, and he has come through with enough clutch hits to avoid any A-Rod comparisons; but if you're talking about which player is most valuable to the White Sox, I'd have to go with Thome, not only for his production but also for the fear factor he brings to the lineup. Our lineup last year was very good, but there wasn't really anyone who the opposing pitcher felt they HAD to pitch around.

Thome changes the whole complexion of our lineup in the same way that Frank did when he was in his prime.

I agree with what you're saying in concept, but I disagree with your assesment that Thome fits the bill more than Dye. First, as I said in a prior post, it is my impression that Dye has been more consistent than Thome this year, which I think is a valuable commodity over the course of a season. Second, Thome has been lousy against left-handed pitching. So while he does put fear in the other team if the other team has a RHP on the bump, he doesn't when a lefty is throwing.

The Immigrant
08-15-2006, 10:35 AM
Dye has come through in more clutch situations than Thome (one example among many: the two-out homerun against Papelbon that prevented a BoSox sweep). With two strikes on him, Dye shortens his swing and takes the ball up the middle or to opposite field. With two strikes on him, Thome doesn't change a thing. This is why I would take Dye over any other Sox player in a late innings situation with runners in scoring position, which is what makes him the team MVP in my view. Once you add in his defense, there's no contest.

chaerulez
08-15-2006, 10:40 AM
Bad thing is They'd give it to HGH Ortiz before Thome im afraid .The reason i said Dye is becuse i think national media wise he'd have a better chance in the voting then Thome. In Detriot they are puching Maggs for comeback player of the year..That should be an automatic for Thome .if he doesnt get that ,then you know something is fishy.Especially when alot of media outlets were saying Thome seen his better days and is injury prone,when infact he's only had one year with extended downtime due to injury.

You think Ortiz is on steroids? The guy has been a big guy all his career, I doubt he's juicing. I don't even want Dye to win the MVP, as long as he gets legit consideration, and the four letter network doesn't make it a Jeter vs. Ortiz race.

hawkjt
08-15-2006, 11:27 AM
my vote would go to JD but I am biased. Objectively at this point it would probably be

Ortiz
Morneau
Haffner
Dye
Mauer
Jeter
Thome

hold2dibber
08-15-2006, 11:32 AM
my vote would go to JD but I am biased. Objectively at this point it would probably be

Ortiz
Morneau
Haffner
Dye
Mauer
Jeter
Thome

Morneau and Mauer will only get serious consideration if the Twins make the play-offs (or are in it 'til the very end) - which is very possible. Haffner won't get much consideration in light of the Indians' record. But he is having a monster season.

slobes
08-15-2006, 11:35 AM
I think that Ortiz will get the MVP award, not because of some biased sports network, but because he rightfully deserves it. His chances will be helped even more if the Red Sox squeak into the playoffs. He has singlehandedly won numerous games for the Red Sox. As much as I love JD and would love for a guy as modest as him bring home the MVP award, if Ortiz keeps up the great season he's having, he will win it.

viagracat
08-15-2006, 11:44 AM
I think that Ortiz will get the MVP award, not because of some biased sports network, but because he rightfully deserves it. His chances will be helped even more if the Red Sox squeak into the playoffs. He has singlehandedly won numerous games for the Red Sox. As much as I love JD and would love for a guy as modest as him bring home the MVP award, if Ortiz keeps up the great season he's having, he will win it.

I think you nailed it, although if the Red Sox don't get in the playoffs and the White Sox do, Dye will get it. Any other scenario, it'll go to Ortiz.

No doubt Thome is a man and a great clubhouse guy, and I'm so happy he's got his stride back this year. But I feel slightly better when Dye is at bat, especially against a lefty. He always seems to get that hit or productive out.

Corlose 15
08-15-2006, 04:15 PM
Thome is having a fantastic season, but Ortiz is putting up ridiculous numbers. He has 41 HRs and 110 RBIs and it's August 15. Eastern bias or not, he deserves it.

Also, Frank Thomas did NOT win his MVPs while a DH. In 1993 he played 150 games at 1B and 4 at DH. In 1994 he played 99 games at 1B and 14 at DH. In 1993 Thomas went .317 /.426 /.607 with 41 HRs and 128 RBIs. In 113 games the following year, .353/.487/.729 with 38 HRs and 101 RBIs; the season ended August 14, convenient for comparing stats right now.

Thome has 36 HRs and 87 RBIs, hitting .299/.417/.630. Ortiz, along with 41 HRs and 110 RBIs, is hitting .284/.396/.618. The power numbers are similar, but I would also say that Ortiz is more meaningful to his team than Thome is, especially with all those walkoffs.

The numbers also go to show what an amazing season Frank was having in 1994.:angry:


I'll say, those numbers are mind boggling. Add the good offense the Sox had with Franco protecting Thomas and the best pitching staff in the American League and oh what might have been!:(:

gbergman
08-15-2006, 04:51 PM
I'd say Dye, but if a DH is ever to win it this is Ortiz year, but compare numbers and Dye leads

Ortiz 86 runs 125 Hits 41 HRs 110 RBI .396 OBP .618 SLG .284 AVG 115 games 440 ABs

Dye 73 runs 128 Hits 31 Hrs 88 RBIs .398 OBP .635 slugging .329 AVG 106 games 389 ABs

Dye leads in 4 of 7 categories, and has played in 9 less games, and had 51 less at bats while being lower in the order

By taking the average of results per at bat for dye and equaling them with Ortiz, Dye would have 35 Hrs 101 RBIS 83 runs 145 Hits .440 OBP .330 AVG .635 SLG

DSpivack
08-15-2006, 05:02 PM
I'll say, those numbers are mind boggling. Add the good offense the Sox had with Franco protecting Thomas and the best pitching staff in the American League and oh what might have been!:(:

Well, we were coming off the ALCS and the Jays weren't going to make it back, so we had "experience." But the Indians were only a game back, the Yankees had the best record in the AL, and if we made the WS the Expos--yes, Montreal--would've been a very formidable opponent. What a weird season--Texas was in 1st place 10 games under .500.

eurotrash35
08-15-2006, 06:03 PM
dye is the ****ing man. thome is great and all but dye just gets it done. I love watching him play. I wouldn't trade him for anybody in the league.

southwstchi4life
08-15-2006, 06:06 PM
Anybody feel like Ortiz is the most fearsome hitter in baseball. Especially against the sox. I cringe anytime he bats against us

eurotrash35
08-15-2006, 06:11 PM
Anybody feel like Ortiz is the most fearsome hitter in baseball. Especially against the sox. I cringe anytime he bats against us

I'm more scared of sweeney. ortiz doesn't really scare me any more than most other team's top hitters.

fquaye149
08-15-2006, 06:47 PM
People often forget that the award is called Most VALUABLE Player, not The Player With The Best Statistics At The End Of The Season.
There are all kinds of players who put up great numbers for lousy teams (see Dawson, Andre, circa 1987); but that doesn't mean they were more valuable to their team's success than, say, Roger Clemens in 1986 -- I'm pretty sure that 14 of his 24 wins that season came after a Red Sox loss, which is incredibly valuable in helping keep his team out of losing streaks.

Jermaine Dye is on pace for the best statistical season of his career, and he has come through with enough clutch hits to avoid any A-Rod comparisons; but if you're talking about which player is most valuable to the White Sox, I'd have to go with Thome, not only for his production but also for the fear factor he brings to the lineup. Our lineup last year was very good, but there wasn't really anyone who the opposing pitcher felt they HAD to pitch around.

Thome changes the whole complexion of our lineup in the same way that Frank did when he was in his prime.

Now wait a minute, Ortiz has a lot of very important hits for the Red Sox. How many times this year has he won a game in the bottom of the 9th 10th or 11th?

I'm not saying he SHOULD win or Thome SHOULD win or Dye SHOULD win. I'm just saying that if any one of them wins it won't necessarily be the wrong choice. Dye has a better AVG and OPS than Ortiz, but worse than Thome. Ortiz has many more HR and RBI than either. So what's the big deal if ANY one of them wins?

Let's be realistic: Ortiz will win the AL MVP. Obviously the eastern seaboard propaganda network has a lot to do with that. But so does the fact that Thome and Dye will split the White Sox vote. I hate to say it, but it seems almost certain.

IlliniSox4Life
08-15-2006, 07:16 PM
If the Red Sox make the playoffs, Ortiz will get it. Without him, there is no way they would have made it.

I though, with a lot of people, have a problem voting for a DH. IMO, a DH's offensive numbers have to be so much better than a position players in order for them to be considered, which is hardly ever the case.

Heck, for his defensive, numbers, and clutch ability, I would split the award between Crede and Dye. Dye's numbers are a little bit better, but Crede plays a much more difficult position and is the best in the league at it.

pearso66
08-15-2006, 11:51 PM
I'm glad to see Dye getting some recognition in the MVP voting. I don't know if this is strictly from Sox fans, or it is a national debate or not, but to me, Dye is/was one of the more underrated players in the league. He puts up great numbers but most people don't notice it, he just piles them up, nothing flashy like Thome or Ortiz. He doesn't seem to slump like most power hitters do. But when you hear who is the best player on the Sox, Dye is generally 3rd or 4th named, after Thome, Konerko, and maybe Crede. I would love to see him win the MVP.

Domeshot17
08-16-2006, 01:44 AM
who SHOULD GET IT, if the season ended TODAY: David Ortiz. The man Deserves it. without him, the redsox are MAYBE a .500 team.

I think the problem is Dye isnt getting any hype outside of chicago. No one on earth but us seems to know how big of a year he is having. Dye also is surrounded by better hitters then Ortiz. Thome Konerko Crede AJ etc, this offense is loaded. Boston has been a 2 man show, with youklis and lowell being alright. Ortiz has the edge on Dye right now.

If Boston fades, He falls to Haffner status.

Who WILL win it: (this pains me to say it but i would put money on this) Jeter. He is having another nice year, but his name and his team will get him the votes. I think he kind of deserves it, without him the yanks are in 3rd place, but there are better choices. But his Jersey will get him the award.

shes
08-16-2006, 03:58 AM
3 pages and not a single mention of the most deserving MVP candidate.

Manny Ramirez.

He's got JD beat in virtually every statistical category, first of all. I know we're Sox fans, but let's not be homers. Ortiz is getting all the pub out of Boston, but across the board Manny has him beat everywhere except HRs and RBIs. His EQA is better than everyone else's except Hafner's -- the no-brainer MVP if the Indians were in contention.

It's gotta be Manny.

I want Mags back
08-16-2006, 01:09 PM
They cant give it to Dye. He doesnt play for Boston or New York:angry: :angry: :angry:

Chicken Dinner
08-16-2006, 01:25 PM
They cant give it to Dye. He doesnt play for Boston or New York:angry: :angry: :angry:

He also drops too many easy fly balls.

seventyseven
08-16-2006, 01:34 PM
I hate (:angry: ) the Red Sox as much as the next guy, but shouldn't Papelbon be considered for MVP? He's the primary reason they were able to stay ahead of the Yankees in the first half of the season.

hold2dibber
08-16-2006, 01:41 PM
3 pages and not a single mention of the most deserving MVP candidate.

Manny Ramirez.

He's got JD beat in virtually every statistical category, first of all. I know we're Sox fans, but let's not be homers. Ortiz is getting all the pub out of Boston, but across the board Manny has him beat everywhere except HRs and RBIs. His EQA is better than everyone else's except Hafner's -- the no-brainer MVP if the Indians were in contention.

It's gotta be Manny.

Actually, he's just about dead even with JD in every statistical category (http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?statType=1&teamPosCode=All&compare.x=34&compare.x=&timeFrame=1&c_id=mlb&readBoxes=true&statSet1=1&section1=1&compare.y=7&baseballScope=mlb&prevPage1=1&timeSubFrame=2006&box1=XXXX120074bosD&box2=XXXX123272chaD&box3=XXXX120903bosO&box4=XXXX113679chaO&compare.x=&sortByStat=Last_Name&), with the exception of OBP where he has a significant edge (.431 vs. .396). He certainly belongs in the debate, but (notwithstanding last night's error) JD is a far superior defensive player and baserunner and, according to all accounts, teammate. These factors outweigh (or at least even out) Ramirez's edge in OBP. You couldn't go wrong with either one (or with Thome or Ortiz, for that matter).

NoNeckEra
08-18-2006, 05:33 PM
Just saw an ESPN poll(these are viewers, not associates of ESPN) showing Ortiz with 51% and Dye in 4th behind Jeter and Mauer with 7%.

Woody28
08-18-2006, 06:47 PM
I would give it to Morneau

Gregory Pratt
08-18-2006, 07:56 PM
Thome is my MVP.
Ortiz is next.
Morneau is third.
Mauer fourth.
Dye fifth.

southwstchi4life
08-18-2006, 08:01 PM
Jeter, Totally forgot about him. White Sox are my fav team since birth and don't root for any other teams, but man jeter is a damn good player. On top of hitting his defense, plus his clutchness. But JD is similar just with a little less BA but more HR. So Between those 2. SO JD it is