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kevin57
08-14-2006, 04:29 PM
Buehrle and Garland have both complained about how umpires have been calling balls and strikes. Because these two do not overpower, they need to be given the corners. It would be easy to say our guys are whining and to back them up is just "homerism," but in watching a lot of highlights this year it does look to me as if after making the umps do a better job at calling the whole strike zone over the past couple of years, that these guys are back to their 2" zone. Anyone else notice this?

MUsoxfan
08-14-2006, 04:31 PM
It doesn't bother me as long as they call it both ways. If a pitcher isn't getting the corner after 5 tries, maybe it's time to try something else.

Soxfanspcu11
08-14-2006, 04:38 PM
It doesn't bother me as long as they call it both ways. If a pitcher isn't getting the corner after 5 tries, maybe it's time to try something else.

Exactly. If an ump is going to be bad, he better be consistently bad. They are only human after all.

The only thing that really pisses me off is when people like Greg Maddux get a 3 foot plate, while the oppossing pitcher can't get a strike called to save his life.

Chicken Dinner
08-14-2006, 04:43 PM
Buehrle and Garland have both complained about how umpires have been calling balls and strikes. Because these two do not overpower, they need to be given the corners. It would be easy to say our guys are whining and to back them up is just "homerism," but in watching a lot of highlights this year it does look to me as if after making the umps do a better job at calling the whole strike zone over the past couple of years, that these guys are back to their 2" zone. Anyone else notice this?

They shouldn't be "given" anything unless it's truely a strike.

Nellie_Fox
08-15-2006, 12:29 AM
Unfortunately, too many "control" pitchers think "hitting the corner" means hitting the catcher's mitt when he sets up 10" outside.

I was listening to Rob Dibble go on at length about this on MLB Homeplate on XM. He insisted that if a pitcher is able to "hit a spot consistently" all night long, it should be called a strike regardless of the rulebook strikezone! That is just such crap. He was even arguing that certain pitchers have "earned" the right to such calls.

The strike zone is the strike zone, regardless of who's pitching. I'm glad QuesTec finally has the umpires getting away from having "their own" strike zone, or different ones for different pitchers or hitters, even if it adversely affects Buehrle.

FielderJones
08-15-2006, 10:25 AM
The strike zone is the strike zone, regardless of who's pitching. I'm glad QuesTec finally has the umpires getting away from having "their own" strike zone, or different ones for different pitchers or hitters, even if it adversely affects Buehrle.

Hear, hear!

The floating strike zone and the proximity double play are two things that drive me crazy about professional baseball. These players are the elite in the world. They don't need any help. The rules are stated in black and white, how about just calling the game according to the rules.

chaerulez
08-15-2006, 11:37 AM
Unfortunately, too many "control" pitchers think "hitting the corner" means hitting the catcher's mitt when he sets up 10" outside.

I was listening to Rob Dibble go on at length about this on MLB Homeplate on XM. He insisted that if a pitcher is able to "hit a spot consistently" all night long, it should be called a strike regardless of the rulebook strikezone! That is just such crap. He was even arguing that certain pitchers have "earned" the right to such calls.

The strike zone is the strike zone, regardless of who's pitching. I'm glad QuesTec finally has the umpires getting away from having "their own" strike zone, or different ones for different pitchers or hitters, even if it adversely affects Buehrle.

Agreed, no one will forget Eric Gregg's strike zone that gave LIvan Hernandez a 14 strikeout game in the world series.

Ol' No. 2
08-15-2006, 12:52 PM
Unfortunately, too many "control" pitchers think "hitting the corner" means hitting the catcher's mitt when he sets up 10" outside.

I was listening to Rob Dibble go on at length about this on MLB Homeplate on XM. He insisted that if a pitcher is able to "hit a spot consistently" all night long, it should be called a strike regardless of the rulebook strikezone! That is just such crap. He was even arguing that certain pitchers have "earned" the right to such calls.

The strike zone is the strike zone, regardless of who's pitching. I'm glad QuesTec finally has the umpires getting away from having "their own" strike zone, or different ones for different pitchers or hitters, even if it adversely affects Buehrle.I've heard the same tripe from Tom Glavine. He thinks' he's "earned" that pitch. So he's "earned" the right to have a ball called a strike? I'd rather see them call high strikes than wide ones. At least you can get a bat on the high strike, but how can you possibly hit a ball 8" off the plate?

Tekijawa
08-15-2006, 12:59 PM
, but how can you possibly hit a ball 8" off the plate?

http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/baseball/mlb/img8970185.jpg
It's pretty easy for this guy... I bet he could hit it if you threw it 3 feet BEHIND him.

jdm2662
08-15-2006, 01:14 PM
When it comes to balls and strikes, all I ask is to have the same zone for both teams. The third Yankees-Sox game was painful to watch for various reasons including the tight strike zone. However, the umpire was not giving both Mussina and Javy the outside corner. Certain strike zones for certain umpires goes back to little league. There was one ump where he called low pitches that was close to the strike zone a strike. So, our manager would tell us to watch for such pitches. I think calling balls and strikes are the hardest thing to do in officiating sports. Which is why I never wanted to do it.

PatK
08-15-2006, 02:20 PM
If you look in the latest ESPN magazine (the one with Beckett on the cover) they had an article about umps.

Disgustingly, some of them actually feel that pitchers like Maddux and Clemens "earned" their larger strike zones.

One of them kind of said that Glavine gets his for having the balls for repeatedly pitching to the same spot when it's previously been called a ball.

Nellie_Fox
08-16-2006, 12:02 AM
...Disgustingly, some of them actually feel that pitchers like Maddux and Clemens "earned" their larger strike zones.So, once they've "earned" the enlarged strike zone, they get even better records because they don't have to throw actual strikes anymore. Nice way to have your career extended.

Mohoney
08-16-2006, 03:23 AM
So, once they've "earned" the enlarged strike zone, they get even better records because they don't have to throw actual strikes anymore. Nice way to have your career extended.

Not to mention fill up the trophy case.

Juice16
08-16-2006, 07:07 AM
They shouldn't be "given" anything unless it's truely a strike.

Thank you.

CallMeNuts
08-16-2006, 09:25 PM
The strike zone does seem to be tighter this year. With Questec at USCF I think this is definitely true.

And it also seems to me that the ball seems more tightly would.

Here's my conspiracy theory as to why the offenses are being helped out by both of the above:

Baseball has greatly reduced the use of performance enhancing substances such as steroids. During the steroids era, there were lots of records broken, that wouldn't have been broken otherwise.

Baseball would love the offense to continue in the post steroids era. They could then Say that the steroids era records are not tainted. They could say that steroids really didn't help the numbers that much after all.

I'd rather see a well pitched game and I think there is too much scoring in today's game. I'd like to see the actual width of the plate increased by 2 inches and the height of the mound increased to 12 inches.

Nellie_Fox
08-17-2006, 12:16 AM
I'd like to see the actual width of the plate increased by 2 inches and the height of the mound increased to 12 inches.Put the mound back at 15" where it used to be and you won't have to widen the plate.

kevin57
08-19-2006, 01:04 PM
Baseball has greatly reduced the use of performance enhancing substances such as steroids. During the steroids era, there were lots of records broken, that wouldn't have been broken otherwise.


What about HGH? I'm still seeing a lot of bodies that look like grotesteque versions of a normal human being.

TheOldRoman
08-19-2006, 02:46 PM
Unfortunately, too many "control" pitchers think "hitting the corner" means hitting the catcher's mitt when he sets up 10" outside.

I was listening to Rob Dibble go on at length about this on MLB Homeplate on XM. He insisted that if a pitcher is able to "hit a spot consistently" all night long, it should be called a strike regardless of the rulebook strikezone! That is just such crap. He was even arguing that certain pitchers have "earned" the right to such calls.

The strike zone is the strike zone, regardless of who's pitching. I'm glad QuesTec finally has the umpires getting away from having "their own" strike zone, or different ones for different pitchers or hitters, even if it adversely affects Buehrle.
But that is just the thing, it hasn't. Not at all. We have gotten screwed by the strikezone countless times this year. A tight zone is fine as long as it is consistant for both teams, but that hasn't been the case. Time and time again our pitchers are throwing into a tiny zone while the opponents get larger-than-normal strikezones. For example, Buehrle was squeezed against the Angels in the 7th. Not only were pitches OVER THE PLATE called balls, but Escobar got anything within a foot of the zone called. Questec hasn't helped correct the discrepancy. For whatever reason, certain umpires decide they will do whatever they can to make the Sox lose.

CallMeNuts
08-19-2006, 03:08 PM
What about HGH? I'm still seeing a lot of bodies that look like grotesteque versions of a normal human being.

I said "greatly reduced", and I based that statement on the number of shrinking bodies I see out there.

I didn't say the problem was completely eliminated. I agree HGH is a problem.

But MLB would like us to believe the problem is gone based on their drug testing.

And they do not want numbers to go down, because they don't want us to believe the steroid era tainted the numbers. Therefore, liven the ball and tighten the zone.

viagracat
08-19-2006, 04:43 PM
Unfortunately, too many "control" pitchers think "hitting the corner" means hitting the catcher's mitt when he sets up 10" outside.

I was listening to Rob Dibble go on at length about this on MLB Homeplate on XM. He insisted that if a pitcher is able to "hit a spot consistently" all night long, it should be called a strike regardless of the rulebook strikezone! That is just such crap. He was even arguing that certain pitchers have "earned" the right to such calls.

The strike zone is the strike zone, regardless of who's pitching. I'm glad QuesTec finally has the umpires getting away from having "their own" strike zone, or different ones for different pitchers or hitters, even if it adversely affects Buehrle.

Excellent. I went nuclear during a Yankees-Sox game earlier this year when Contreras (I think it was him) was getting squeezed so much he had to lay the ball in there to Posada and he got on base. But fairness dictates it shouldn't work the other way either. Everyone--players, announcers, fans, etc--don't expect perfection, but they do expect consistency.