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Beautox
08-12-2006, 03:41 AM
Whats everyones take on the Marlins and the hunt for the WC? They're 4.5 out and have to jump 6 teams and get over .500 to take the WC lead. They currently stand 54W 61L; The Reds lead it with a record of 59W 57L.

Everyone knows pitching wins, and they are stacked. In June they were the hottest team in baseball, and with their rotation they can easily reel off long win streaks.


Dontrelle Willis 7-9, 4.08ERA, 1.49WHIP, 58 BB 105 SO
Scott Olsen 9-5, 3.92ERA, 1.29WHIP, 52 BB 117 SO
Josh Johnson 10-6, 2.69ERA, 1.28WHIP, 56 BB 109 SO * Current NL ERA Leader
Ricky Nolasco 10-7, 4.15ERA, 1.33WHIP, 29 BB 71 SO
Anibal Sanchez 4-2, 4.13ERA, 1.30WHIP, 22 BB 27 SO


Something about the Marlins and the WC and the world series. If they get the WC, they easily have the best rotation + Dan Uggla & Miggy.

Discuss.

soltrain21
08-12-2006, 03:49 AM
It is quite the story. I would like to see either them or the Reds take it.

Chisox003
08-12-2006, 04:00 AM
While I'd love to see them take it, their youth is going to catch up down the stretch here.

4/5 of their rotation has never pitched over 20 innings! We're already starting to see the effects of long seasons starting to wear on young arms (Verlander, Kazmir, Liriano etc.)

They're gonna be unreal in a year or two, especially if they keep this rotation together and Miggy in the middle of that lineup, but this year is just too early IMO.

I'll be pulling for them though.

Beautox
08-12-2006, 04:05 AM
I too, think they might hit a wall, but then i realize that Mitre is coming off the DL, and they have Brian Moehler, they could easily goto a 6 man rotation to save their young arms and still contend. Personally i would love to see them take it, and then make it all the way to the WS, against our sox, I'd be torn though seeing how i love the marlins :smile:.

MrRoboto83
08-12-2006, 07:28 AM
Anything is possible, the NL wildcard is up for grabs and will probably be just a .500 team. If the Marlins got on a good run, they could do some damage in the playoffs if they stayed hot.

samram
08-12-2006, 08:48 AM
I'm fully in support of the Marlins winning the WC as long as the Dodgers get in as the West winner, which I think they will. The Marlins could be dangerous in the playoffs, but remember that down the stretch, those kids could have the same issues we all believe the Tigers' kids will and that Liriano is having.

PKalltheway
08-12-2006, 04:19 PM
The Marlins can certainly be a sleeper pick in the NL Wild Card hunt. If the Marlins stay in the hunt through September, there will be a HUGE three game series against the Reds in Florida on September 26-28. Stay tuned.

buehrle4cy05
08-12-2006, 05:10 PM
If the Padres/D-Backs/Dodgers/Rockies continue to beat up on each other in the West, Florida could make a run to move into striking distance for that series in late September.

It's unlikely because of their youth, but even if they don't make it this year, next year they have a great chance.

DSpivack
08-12-2006, 06:56 PM
If the Padres/D-Backs/Dodgers/Rockies continue to beat up on each other in the West, Florida could make a run to move into striking distance for that series in late September.

I agree that the West might beat up on each other, which is why I think the Reds have the best shot, as they play in what is easily the worst division in baseball. I'd like to see the Marlins make it, but I doubt they will. Still should be an exciting race, with seemingly everybody but the Cubs and Bucs in it.

I can't remember a year recently where there have been so many good rookie pitchers, from the Marlins rotation to the AL Central to a few on the Red Sox, to our own BBBJ (Not sure if this counts as his rookie season).

chisoxfanatic
08-12-2006, 11:44 PM
It's hard NOT to pull for a team with a 15 million dollar payroll! Even $Bill isn't that cheap!

Ol' No. 2
08-12-2006, 11:48 PM
Right now they're 5 out, but more importantly, there are SEVEN teams ahead of them. There are only FIVE behind them. Not a chance.

Sox-o-matic
08-13-2006, 12:45 AM
Right now they're 5 out, but more importantly, there are SEVEN teams ahead of them. There are only FIVE behind them. Not a chance.

There's still a chance since all those teams ahead of them can't even play .500 baseball. The Reds, who are leading, completely retooled their roster midseason and are only a couple games over.

Most of the teams in the Wild Card race have huge, glaring weaknesses that are 'filled' by middle of the road veterans or first or second year players who may not have enough to play through the pressure. I could easily see a team like the Phillies or Reds pressing enough down the stretch to allow the Marlins to sweep right through them.

Just think about how many times Tampa Bay has turned into a spoiler-machine over the last few weeks of the season. With all of that young talent in their starting rotation and in that infield, I could see Florida doing the same thing. If Florida stays healthy and loose, they just might be able to finish a few games above .500, which will probably be enough to take the wildcard.

BTW, how odd is it that the Florida Marlins, a sinking organization named after a fish, may have the best chance to finish the season with their heads above water?

DSpivack
08-13-2006, 12:55 AM
There's still a chance since all those teams ahead of them can't even play .500 baseball. The Reds, who are leading, completely retooled their roster midseason and are only a couple games over.

Most of the teams in the Wild Card race have huge, glaring weaknesses that are 'filled' by middle of the road veterans or first or second year players who may not have enough to play through the pressure. I could easily see a team like the Phillies or Reds pressing enough down the stretch to allow the Marlins to sweep right through them.

Just think about how many times Tampa Bay has turned into a spoiler-machine over the last few weeks of the season. With all of that young talent in their starting rotation and in that infield, I could see Florida doing the same thing. If Florida stays healthy and loose, they just might be able to finish a few games above .500, which will probably be enough to take the wildcard.

BTW, how odd is it that the Florida Marlins, a sinking organization named after a fish, may have the best chance to finish the season with their heads above water?
They are by far the strangest organization in sports. They can't afford to keep their players, whom they seemingly develop with regularity, they can't get anyone to go to their games, they don't have a big fan base, there are many threats that they'll move from South Florida, and yet they've won more World Series in the last 9 years than anyone not named the Yankees--despite having never won their division.

PKalltheway
08-13-2006, 01:13 AM
They are by far the strangest organization in sports. They can't afford to keep their players, whom they seemingly develop with regularity, they can't get anyone to go to their games, they don't have a big fan base, there are many threats that they'll move from South Florida, and yet they've won more World Series in the last 9 years than anyone not named the Yankees--despite having never won their division.
The Marlins, in both championship seasons (1997 and 2003), won 91 games. In both years, they were the UNDERDOGS in a playoff series in which the team they played actually had LESS wins then they did (1997 World Series-Cleveland only had 86 wins, 2003 NLCS-Cubs only had 88 wins). Add that to the strange list too.

MUsoxfan
08-13-2006, 01:40 AM
My rooting interest in the NLWC is as follows:

1. Brewers - 2nd favorite team in baseball
2. Marlins - To stick it to Loria
3. Phillies - Aaron

Ol' No. 2
08-13-2006, 12:17 PM
There's still a chance since all those teams ahead of them can't even play .500 baseball. The Reds, who are leading, completely retooled their roster midseason and are only a couple games over.

Most of the teams in the Wild Card race have huge, glaring weaknesses that are 'filled' by middle of the road veterans or first or second year players who may not have enough to play through the pressure. I could easily see a team like the Phillies or Reds pressing enough down the stretch to allow the Marlins to sweep right through them.

Just think about how many times Tampa Bay has turned into a spoiler-machine over the last few weeks of the season. With all of that young talent in their starting rotation and in that infield, I could see Florida doing the same thing. If Florida stays healthy and loose, they just might be able to finish a few games above .500, which will probably be enough to take the wildcard.

BTW, how odd is it that the Florida Marlins, a sinking organization named after a fish, may have the best chance to finish the season with their heads above water?That's just the point. There are more teams ahead of them than behind them. They can't ALL play below .500.

Save McCuddy's
08-13-2006, 12:22 PM
Right now they're 5 out, but more importantly, there are SEVEN teams ahead of them. There are only FIVE behind them. Not a chance.

Correct.

But, I'd rather have $$ on the '07 Marlins than any of the teams they're chasing for the possible exception of the DBacks.

Ol' No. 2
08-13-2006, 12:44 PM
Correct.

But, I'd rather have $$ on the '07 Marlins than any of the teams they're chasing for the possible exception of the DBacks.Put your money on the Astros.

MiamiSpartan
08-20-2006, 11:44 AM
They're playing awfully well thanks to Gerardi. I wonder what they could have done with him managing last year with the talent they had.....
I think they're still a year or two away, tho.
Still working on a ballpark site in Hialeah. It's cleared the first hurdle of the western developement border....An exception was granted to them.

viagracat
08-20-2006, 12:54 PM
You gotta like a manager who has the stones to tell his owner to go **** himself after he was acting like an asshat in the stands, which is what Girardi did. You know the players loved that. If he does get fired after the season, I can think of about six teams that would hire him in a heartbeat.

Florida won't get the WC, but it's hard not to pull for them.

MiamiSpartan
08-22-2006, 09:22 AM
Latest news on the ballpark front:
Even tho the team has been working on property in Hialeah, off of the Turnpike and I 75, MLB has jumped back in with another piece of land downtown, just south of the "old" Miami Arena, which would be just off of I 95, and across the street from a Metrorail stop. I'd love to see the team play downtown, since that area is exploding with new buildings, and new performing arts center, the AAA, etc....

Beautox
08-28-2006, 12:36 AM
Ruh Roh! the marlins are 3 games back of the WC and 3 games under .500, and are on a 7 game winning streak, their young arms still haven't tired, and they're improbable playoff hopes are still alive. There are 4 teams ahead of them San Francisco, Philadelphia, San Diego & Cincinnati. Can the marlins make the playoffs?

GO FISH! :bandance:

buehrle4cy05
08-28-2006, 12:40 AM
Ruh Roh! the marlins are 3 games back of the WC and 3 games under .500, and are on a 7 game winning streak, their young arms still haven't tired, and they're improbable playoff hopes are still alive. There are 4 teams ahead of them San Francisco, Philadelphia, San Diego & Cincinnati. Can the marlins make the playoffs?

GO FISH! :bandance:

It's all about who gets hot in the last 2 weeks. Florida is a team that has gone on big streaks before, and if they get hot in the last 2 weeks, it wouldn't surprise me to see them playing into October.:o::o::o:

Beautox
08-28-2006, 12:55 AM
like i said before something about the Marlins and the WC. If they get the WC watch out!, during interleague play they took on the top tier AL East teams (TOR,NYY,BOS) and had a combinded record of 5-4 against them.

chaerulez
08-28-2006, 03:51 AM
I too, think they might hit a wall, but then i realize that Mitre is coming off the DL, and they have Brian Moehler, they could easily goto a 6 man rotation to save their young arms and still contend. Personally i would love to see them take it, and then make it all the way to the WS, against our sox, I'd be torn though seeing how i love the marlins :smile:.

1. If Sergio Mitre is your savior for a season, your team sucks.

2. I don't think any team will go to a 6 man rotation anytime soon. Well that is any team that is serious about winning.

doublem23
08-28-2006, 08:14 AM
Yawn... The Florida Marlins are Exhibit A on what a friggin' joke the National League is. If this team played a full season in the American League, they'd already be pushing 100 losses. I honestly doubt they are much more talented than Kansas City, Tampa Bay, or Seattle and they are the doormats of the Junior Circuit.

It's all right, NL, you're all just playing for the chance to get swept in the World Series, anyways.

FedEx227
08-28-2006, 11:21 AM
Yawn... The Florida Marlins are Exhibit A on what a friggin' joke the National League is. If this team played a full season in the American League, they'd already be pushing 100 losses. I honestly doubt they are much more talented than Kansas City, Tampa Bay, or Seattle and they are the doormats of the Junior Circuit.

It's all right, NL, you're all just playing for the chance to get swept in the World Series, anyways.

They have much more talent than Kansas City and better arms then Tampa Bay, plus they are a bunch of young guys who just love to play and get motivated by a hell of a manager. That's just what it is. While I do agree they wouldn't sniff the playoffs in the AL, it's a good story that everybody counted them out in the offseason and now they are right in the hunt.

Railsplitter
08-28-2006, 11:26 AM
How many teams do they Have to pass to get there? Let's look at it that way.

PKalltheway
08-28-2006, 03:47 PM
While I do agree they wouldn't sniff the playoffs in the AL, it's a good story that everybody counted them out in the offseason and now they are right in the hunt.
Not only did everybody count them out in the offseason, everybody thought they were going to lose at least 100 games this year. Even though the NL is bad, it is still remarkable that this team is in contention and could finish with a winning record.

spiffie
08-28-2006, 05:19 PM
One thing to remember for the Marlins is they have some control of their own destiny. They have 10 games left with the Phillies, one of the teams ahead of them. San Diego and San Fran have games left with each other, so one of those teams is going to get a few losses hung on them. Cincy has 3 against the Giants, 6 against the Padres and 3 against the Marlins. Everyone in the NL WC race will be pounding on each other for the last 30 or so games of the year, so it will be tough for anyone to rise too high above the crowd. If the Marlins can go 7-3 or 8-2 against the Phillies they would be in very good position to sneak in.

MiamiSpartan
08-28-2006, 10:44 PM
Glad to see the Fish doing so well...
If you can believe it, Gerardi is going to be gone by next year. Loria is an idiot. I just don't want the scrubs to pick him up, because he would help get them up close to our level...

Beautox
08-29-2006, 03:08 AM
thats there 8th straight, they are now 2 back; 1 back in the loss column, GO FISH!

ewokpelts
08-29-2006, 10:14 AM
Where's PHG?

Mohoney
08-30-2006, 05:11 AM
I honestly doubt they are much more talented than Kansas City, Tampa Bay, or Seattle and they are the doormats of the Junior Circuit.

The Fish can actually pitch from time to time. None of those other 3 teams can.

The Fish are definitely better than those 3, and probably Cleveland and Baltimore, too.

Beautox
09-04-2006, 11:29 PM
The Marlins have won their last 4 games, and are 1.5 back in the wild card at 69-68 "they became the only team in Major League history to rise from 20 games under .500 to pass the .500 mark in the same season. Now 69-68, the Marlins have come full circle since they were 11-31." - Joe Frisaro / MLB.com

Only San Diego(70-66) and Phillidelphia(70-68) are ahead of them.


Go Fish! :bandance:

batmanZoSo
09-04-2006, 11:42 PM
Don't ever count out the Marlins, that's all I can say. :o:

slobes
09-04-2006, 11:52 PM
Joe Borchard with the big HR today to put the Fish ahead. This would be a great story if they come back and make the playoffs.

I'll be rooting for em.

buehrle4cy05
09-05-2006, 12:07 AM
Joe Borchard with the big HR today to put the Fish ahead. This would be a great story if they come back and make the playoffs.


Why oh why did we trade him!? FIRE KENNY!!!!

This Marlins team is something else. Nobody is talking about it, but Josh Johnson and Dan Uggla both are deserving of the NL ROY. Johnson may even get a few Cy Young votes, depending on how he does down the stretch.

To come back from being 20 games under to being over .500 is one of the greatest accomplishments I've seen a team make over the course of a season. As of right now, since being those 20 games under, the Marlins have played 21 games over .500 with a payroll of less than $15 million.

Unregistered
09-07-2006, 06:17 PM
I just remembered this thread (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=69356) and this thread (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=69081) about whether or not WSI thought the Marlins would "beat" the '62 Mets for worst record ever.

Incredible how the Marlins can just keep putting together decent teams and the D-Rays continue to be completely worthless...

ewokpelts
09-08-2006, 01:13 AM
I just remembered this thread (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=69356) and this thread (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=69081) about whether or not WSI thought the Marlins would "beat" the '62 Mets for worst record ever.

Incredible how the Marlins can just keep putting together decent teams and the D-Rays continue to be completely worthless...wow...got to relive some classic arguements with phg...

CLR01
09-08-2006, 01:23 AM
I love this thread. The Marlins, at 3.5 back, are still alive in the playoff chase but the Sox a, at .5 back, are finished. Only at WSI. :kukoo:

ewokpelts
09-08-2006, 01:39 PM
I love this thread. The Marlins, at 3.5 back, are still alive in the playoff chase but the Sox a, at .5 back, are finished. Only at WSI. :kukoo:that's becuase only two teams are out of the playoff picture in the nl...the bucs and flubs

CLR01
09-08-2006, 03:24 PM
that's becuase only two teams are out of the playoff picture in the nl...the bucs and flubs


If the Sox are finished at .5 games then the NL race is over too. Philly is 2.5 back. Last I checked 2.5 is greater than .5.

nodiggity59
09-08-2006, 04:14 PM
If the Sox are finished at .5 games then the NL race is over too. Philly is 2.5 back. Last I checked 2.5 is greater than .5.

C'mon man. If the sox were .5 back in the NL, they'd be in it. .5 back against the Twins is a harder task than 4 back against the Padres.

CLR01
09-08-2006, 04:23 PM
C'mon man. If the sox were .5 back in the NL, they'd be in it. .5 back against the Twins is a harder task than 4 back against the Padres.


No it's not. A half game is a half game and the Twins are not exactly setting the world on fire.

itsnotrequired
09-08-2006, 04:58 PM
that's becuase only two teams are out of the playoff picture in the nl...the bucs and flubs

Technically, both those teams are still alive.