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PKalltheway
08-09-2006, 02:36 AM
Who was the team of the 1980's? This has me a little confused. There are teams that are identified with certain decades (i.e. the 1950's Yankees), or in some cases, an argument can be made between two teams like the '70's with the A's and Reds, or in the '90's with the Yankees and Braves. With the '80's though, there wasn't really one standout team that thoroughly dominated. I've done a little research.
The top five teams in wins during the '80's, along with some of their credentials:

Yankees- 854 wins, 1 pennant (1981), 2 playoff appearances (1980, 1981) Best season: 1980 (103-59)
Tigers- 839 wins, 1 World Series title (1984), 2 playoff appearances (1984, 1987) Best season: 1984 (104-58)
Royals- 826 wins, 2 pennants (1980, 1985), 1 title (1985), 4 playoff appearances (1980, 1981, 1984, 1985) Best season: 1980 (97-65)
Dodgers- 825 wins, 2 titles (1981, 1988), 4 playoff appearances (1981, 1983, 1985, 1988) Best season: 1985 (95-67)
Cardinals- 825 wins, 3 pennants (1982, 1985, 1987), 1 title (1982), 3 playoff appearances (1982, 1985, 1987) Best season: 1985 (101-61)That's a mighty tough group to pick from. Out of those teams, I would probably pick the Dodgers as the best of the bunch because of the two World Series titles.

TheKittle
08-09-2006, 02:49 AM
Who was the team of the 1980's? This has me a little confused. There are teams that are identified with certain decades (i.e. the 1950's Yankees), or in some cases, an argument can be made between two teams like the '70's with the A's and Reds, or in the '90's with the Yankees and Braves. With the '80's though, there wasn't really one standout team that thoroughly dominated. I've done a little research:
The top five teams in wins during the '80's, along with some of their credentials:

Yankees- 854 wins, 1 pennant (1981), 2 playoff appearances (1980, 1981)
Tigers- 839 wins, 1 World Series title (1984), 2 playoff appearances (1984, 1987)
Royals- 826 wins, 2 pennants (1980, 1985), 1 title (1985), 4 playoff appearances (1980, 1981, 1984, 1985)
Dodgers- 825 wins, 2 titles (1981, 1988), 4 playoff appearances (1981, 1983, 1985, 1988)
Cardinals- 825 wins, 3 pennants (1982, 1985, 1987), 1 title (1982), 3 playoff appearances (1982, 1985, 1987)That's a mighty tough group to pick from. Out of those teams, I would probably pick the Dodgers as the best of the bunch because of the two World Series titles.

I would also pick the Dodgers. Two WS with two "different" teams, the 81 team was the last hurrah for the core group of players who came up in the 70's. Garvey, Lopes, Russell and Cey etc. 88 was a brand new team. I think the 88 team only had 1 or 2 players from the 81 team.

I would include the A's for consideration. WS in 89. One AL pennant in 88. One other playoff appearance in 1981.

The 70's was a weird decade. The A's dominated early in the 70's then the Reds took over then the Yankees finished off the 70's. Who was the best?

PKalltheway
08-09-2006, 02:51 AM
I would also pick the Dodgers. Two WS with two "different" teams, the 81 team was the last hurrah for the core group of players who came up in the 70's. Garvey, Lopes, Russell and Cey etc. 88 was a brand new team. I think the 88 team only had 1 or 2 players from the 81 team.

I would include the A's for consideration. WS in 89. One AL pennant in 88. One other playoff appearance in 1981.

The 70's was a weird decade. The A's dominated early in the 70's then the Reds took over then the Yankees finished off the 70's. Who was the best?
For the '70's, I would take Oakland. 3 consecutive W.S. titles, including beating the Reds in 1972 without Reggie Jackson. I've read about this World Series, and it is a very underrated World Series. Six of the seven games were decided by one run!:o:

palehozenychicty
08-09-2006, 05:14 AM
Dodgers. As mentioned before, they put together two different teams, yet they both had great starting pitching, clutch hitting, etc. a well-rounded, fun franchise to watch in the 1980s. yankees had wins, mostly with the nucleus from the bronx zoo era, but they had some horrible teams/personalities in the 1980s.

soxfanreggie
08-09-2006, 05:27 AM
The Royals were probably the best team from 1980-1985, but overall, I have to give it to the other Boys in Blue, the Dodgers.

Johnny Mostil
08-09-2006, 08:14 AM
I would also pick the Dodgers. Two WS with two "different" teams, the 81 team was the last hurrah for the core group of players who came up in the 70's. Garvey, Lopes, Russell and Cey etc. 88 was a brand new team. I think the 88 team only had 1 or 2 players from the 81 team.

I would include the A's for consideration. WS in 89. One AL pennant in 88. One other playoff appearance in 1981.

The 70's was a weird decade. The A's dominated early in the 70's then the Reds took over then the Yankees finished off the 70's. Who was the best?

By your logic for picking the Dodgers as the team of the '80s--which, to be sure, I think is pretty good, or at least good enough that I don't feel like debating it--I might actually pick the Pirates as the team of the '70s. They contended throughout the decade and, unlike the A's, Reds, or Yankees, won World Series on each side of the great divide of free agency . . .

Madvora
08-09-2006, 09:51 AM
I don't know. The first thing that would come to mind would be the 1986 Mets for me.

Frater Perdurabo
08-09-2006, 11:57 AM
From a strictly baseball perspective, the 1980s may be remembered as one the best decades of competitive, balanced major league baseball. No one team dominated; small market teams competed equally with large market teams, and lots of teams made the postseason at least once. Steroids hadn't yet spread throughout the game, and the so-called "small ball" style of sacrificing, stealing, bunting, hitting the other way and scoring the run (which really is classic baseball) was routinely practiced.

While 2005 will always be the greatest individual season I have ever experienced, for reasons more than just the fact that I was born in 1976, the 1980s were baseball's "Good Ol' Days" for me.

Anyway, since they made the Series thrice, and were robbed by a blown call in 1985 (Dane Iorg) and by the Baggie Dome in 1987, the Cardinals merit consideration as the best team of the 1980s.

sox1970
08-09-2006, 12:06 PM
There wasn't a definitive "team of the 80's". There were a lot of good teams year to year. The 86 Mets and 84 Tigers come to mind instantly.

VenturaSoxFan23
08-09-2006, 01:25 PM
There may not have been a "definitive" team of the '80s, but the Cardinals & Royals were consistently good.

SouthSide_HitMen
08-09-2006, 03:48 PM
I don't know. The first thing that would come to mind would be the 1986 Mets for me.

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The Yankees? ***? They had their worst decade in the 1980s.

DoItForDanPasqua
08-09-2006, 03:59 PM
I'm guessing this is the first decade since the 1910's the Yanks didn't win the World Series and they still are one of the choices. I'm going with St. Louis, just barely over LA. Whitey Herzog was was a great manager and they fielded such an exciting team with speed, switch hitting and Jack Clark.

TheKittle
08-09-2006, 04:32 PM
By your logic for picking the Dodgers as the team of the '80s--which, to be sure, I think is pretty good, or at least good enough that I don't feel like debating it--I might actually pick the Pirates as the team of the '70s. They contended throughout the decade and, unlike the A's, Reds, or Yankees, won World Series on each side of the great divide of free agency . . .

Actually no, the Pirates weren't really hurt by FA. OK they lost Dave Cash. The 71 team was led by Clemente and Stargell and was made up of younger players who didn't really develop. The 79 team was home grown talent (Parker, Moreno, Candyman etc) that developed into another championship team.

Baby Fisk
08-09-2006, 04:37 PM
The Yankees? ***? They had their worst decade in the 1980s.

For Yankee Haters, the 80s were the Golden Era. :cool:

batmanZoSo
08-09-2006, 05:30 PM
Who was the team of the 1980's? This has me a little confused. There are teams that are identified with certain decades (i.e. the 1950's Yankees), or in some cases, an argument can be made between two teams like the '70's with the A's and Reds, or in the '90's with the Yankees and Braves. With the '80's though, there wasn't really one standout team that thoroughly dominated. I've done a little research.
The top five teams in wins during the '80's, along with some of their credentials:
Yankees- 854 wins, 1 pennant (1981), 2 playoff appearances (1980, 1981) Best season: 1980 (103-59)
Tigers- 839 wins, 1 World Series title (1984), 2 playoff appearances (1984, 1987) Best season: 1984 (104-58)
Royals- 826 wins, 2 pennants (1980, 1985), 1 title (1985), 4 playoff appearances (1980, 1981, 1984, 1985) Best season: 1980 (97-65)
Dodgers- 825 wins, 2 titles (1981, 1988), 4 playoff appearances (1981, 1983, 1985, 1988) Best season: 1985 (95-67)
Cardinals- 825 wins, 3 pennants (1982, 1985, 1987), 1 title (1982), 3 playoff appearances (1982, 1985, 1987) Best season: 1985 (101-61)That's a mighty tough group to pick from. Out of those teams, I would probably pick the Dodgers as the best of the bunch because of the two World Series titles.

Another fine thread in TB.

I say Cards edge out the Dodgers very slightly. They won 3 pennants, and let's face it they got hosed and should've won two World Series titles.

And good god, the Yankees won the most games in the 80s?! That was their worst decade since World War I. The only decade that didn't produce a championship since then. That's just a good franchise, you gotta admit. :wink:

Johnny Mostil
08-09-2006, 05:37 PM
Actually no, the Pirates weren't really hurt by FA. OK they lost Dave Cash. The 71 team was led by Clemente and Stargell and was made up of younger players who didn't really develop. The 79 team was home grown talent (Parker, Moreno, Candyman etc) that developed into another championship team.

I didn't mean to imply that the Pirates used free agents to do it a second time--only that they're an interesting contrast to the A's, Reds, and Yankees. The A's pretty much gave up once free agency arrived (finishing well under .500 in the late '70s, as I recall). The Reds stayed competitive but didn't really care to compete for free agents, even their own such as Rose. And the Yankees didn't win it all in the '70s until their free agent acquisitions kicked in.

SouthSide_HitMen
08-09-2006, 06:14 PM
For Yankee Haters, the 80s were the Golden Era. :cool:

This millennium is not too shabby either. :cool:

2001 - Lost to the expansion Arizona Diamondbacks in the WS
2002 - Lost to Anaheim in the ALDS
2003 - Lost to the expansion Florida Marlins in the WS
2004 - Lost to their hated rival Boston in the ALCS
2005 - Lost to Anaheim yet again in the ALDS

The Yankees lose

TTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Yankees Lose!

Railsplitter
08-10-2006, 03:42 PM
You can't be team of the decade with out winning it all. The Yankers shouldn't be on this poll.

Norberto7
08-10-2006, 04:16 PM
If you ask it in which team defined the '80s as opposed to which team played the best throughout the '80s, I'd have to agree with the '86 Mets. I mean, how better can you define '80s baseball? From the moustaches to the tight pinstripe pullover uniforms to the cheezy rap songs to the rampant cocaine habits, they ooze '80s era MLB.

vegyrex
08-11-2006, 08:10 AM
And good god, the Yankees won the most games in the 80s?! That was their worst decade since World War I. The only decade that didn't produce a championship since then. That's just a good franchise, you gotta admit. :wink:

Yeah, their worst decade in 70 years would be everybody else's golden era. If our Sox had the same type of decade in the 80's we might have blunted cubmania that started in '84.

vegyrex
08-11-2006, 08:29 AM
This millennium is not too shabby either. :cool:

2001 - Lost to the expansion Arizona Diamondbacks in the WS
2002 - Lost to Anaheim in the ALDS
2003 - Lost to the expansion Florida Marlins in the WS
2004 - Lost to their hated rival Boston in the ALCS
2005 - Lost to Anaheim yet again in the ALDS

The Yankees lose

TTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Yankees Lose!

But at least they made the play offs. Since '96 the Yanks have made the play offs every year. If the Sox can do that mixed in with a world series win here and there, we'd all be in the stratosphere. :smile:

ewokpelts
08-11-2006, 03:11 PM
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The 70's was a weird decade.

Thank you captain obvious.

SouthSide_HitMen
08-11-2006, 03:25 PM
But at least they made the play offs. Since '96 the Yanks have made the play offs every year. If the Sox can do that mixed in with a world series win here and there, we'd all be in the stratosphere. :smile:

Give Kenny Williams $250 million to play with and he would trounce Cashman's team. Heck, he already did with less than 1/3 of their payroll this millennium. :cool:

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Get you too far

TheKittle
08-11-2006, 04:22 PM
Thank you captain obvious.


Geez at least quote the entire post. Must be a drinking team member. :rolleyes:

fquaye149
08-11-2006, 08:57 PM
here's the thing: don't you think it's a little silly to be taling about the team of a decade? It's kind of arbitrary, especially in the '80's, when no team really did dominate for any stretch.

Heck, let's go back to the '90's...obviously if we are FORCED to consider "team of the 90's" it goes without saying that it would be the Yankees...but the first half of the '90's, they were a nonentity. If we split it into half decades, it would probably be Toronto for the first half, Yankees the second.

Likewise, in the '80's, might we say that the first half was...well, I gues sthat was a little before my time. Probably the Cards or the Tigers, and then in the second half, it would probably be Oakland.

No?

PKalltheway
08-12-2006, 12:59 AM
here's the thing: don't you think it's a little silly to be taling about the team of a decade? It's kind of arbitrary, especially in the '80's, when no team really did dominate for any stretch.

Heck, let's go back to the '90's...obviously if we are FORCED to consider "team of the 90's" it goes without saying that it would be the Yankees...but the first half of the '90's, they were a nonentity. If we split it into half decades, it would probably be Toronto for the first half, Yankees the second.

Likewise, in the '80's, might we say that the first half was...well, I gues sthat was a little before my time. Probably the Cards or the Tigers, and then in the second half, it would probably be Oakland.

No?
Well what about the Dodgers? They were able to sustain their excellence throughout the decade and their two world championship teams came at both the beginning and the end of the decade. They also had postseason appearances sprinkled in the middle. The 1981 and 1988 teams were completely different teams too, so that means their front office and management was doing something right. If that doesn't warrant consideration for team of the decade, I don't know what does.

TheKittle
08-12-2006, 04:10 AM
Well what about the Dodgers? They were able to sustain their excellence throughout the decade and their two world championship teams came at both the beginning and the end of the decade. They also had postseason appearances sprinkled in the middle. The 1981 and 1988 teams were completely different teams too, so that means their front office and management was doing something right. If that doesn't warrant consideration for team of the decade, I don't know what does.

Very true. The Dodgers in 82 lost the NL West when Joe I can never shut the **** up Morgan hit a HR the last day or the next to last day of the season. Then they won the 83 NL West after losing Garvey and Cey. Then two years later they won the NL West again. Then in 88 they won the whole thing with a line up many AA teams could have beaten.

I think the Cardinals are also up there. One WS and two near misses. But for a team to win two WS during the 80's as the Dodger did, certainly warrants consideration for the team of the decade.

Save McCuddy's
08-14-2006, 11:24 AM
By your logic for picking the Dodgers as the team of the '80s--which, to be sure, I think is pretty good, or at least good enough that I don't feel like debating it--I might actually pick the Pirates as the team of the '70s. They contended throughout the decade and, unlike the A's, Reds, or Yankees, won World Series on each side of the great divide of free agency . . .

The Big Red Machine was pretty nasty all decade long. They win 4 pennants, two series, 2 divisions and take 3 seconds in the NL West. They were only out of it once in ten years -- inexplicably in '71. As far as the series goes, The 70's are defined by the '75 Classic. Lesser known is the '72 tilt with the A's which went 7 with an amazing 6 one run contests. In '70, the Reds were blitzkreiged by a 108 win Oriole team. I think it's the Reds for overall involvement right till the end of the decade. They opened with a pennant in '70 and closed with a division in '79 and the juiciest wins in the middle.