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downstairs
08-05-2006, 12:15 PM
The Dodger thread got me thinking... and while looking up Jackie Robinson's stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/robinja02.shtml)...

1. When we was signed as a free agent in '45... was there a controversy? Did people expect him to play 2 years later? Or was this kept in secret?

2. Why did he refuse a trade to the Giants? This was after his last game ever, so did he just insist on retiring instead of playing for them?

Johnny Mostil
08-05-2006, 12:18 PM
The Dodger thread got me thinking... and while looking up Jackie Robinson's stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/robinja02.shtml)...

1. When we was signed as a free agent in '45... was there a controversy? Did people expect him to play 2 years later? Or was this kept in secret?

2. Why did he refuse a trade to the Giants? This was after his last game ever, so did he just insist on retiring instead of playing for them?

Roger Kahn wrote at least on (2) above . . . unfortunately, I can't find my copy right now, but, as I recall, Robinson didn't want anybody thinking the retirement was a ploy to get more money . . .

Fenway
08-05-2006, 12:20 PM
The Dodger thread got me thinking... and while looking up Jackie Robinson's stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/robinja02.shtml)...

1. When we was signed as a free agent in '45... was there a controversy? Did people expect him to play 2 years later? Or was this kept in secret?

2. Why did he refuse a trade to the Giants? This was after his last game ever, so did he just insist on retiring instead of playing for them?

The key to the Robinson signing was that Brooklyn had its AAA club in Montreal where he was adored by the fans there.

Back then the Dodgers/Giants was as big as Red Sox/Yankees today and there was complete hatred between the 2 teams. But some NY writers suggested Jackie didn't want to play second fiddle to Willie Mays.

Johnny Mostil
08-05-2006, 12:29 PM
I found my Kahn book. As he describes it, Robinson--38 at the time of the trade--had been leaning toward retirement. He'd been offered a job as VP for personnel at Chock Full o'Nuts. The Giant trade helped push him further, as did interest from Look Magazine in an article on why he'd quit baseball. Anyway, after the article, which he says he began before the trade but kept secret for publicity, was published, he figured the retirement would have to be permanent.

Railsplitter
08-05-2006, 12:39 PM
The Dodger thread got me thinking... and while looking up Jackie Robinson's stats (http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/robinja02.shtml)...

1. When we was signed as a free agent in '45... was there a controversy? Did people expect him to play 2 years later? Or was this kept in secret?

2. Why did he refuse a trade to the Giants? This was after his last game ever, so did he just insist on retiring instead of playing for them?

1. Branch Rickey Circulated a cover story about starting a Negro League franchise called the Brooklyn Brown Dodgers

2. Robinson couldn't refuse a trade, as there was no ten and five rule until 1973. But play for the Giants? The despised, detested, and hated Giants? No way!

TheKittle
08-05-2006, 03:06 PM
1. Branch Rickey Circulated a cover story about starting a Negro League franchise called the Brooklyn Brown Dodgers

2. Robinson couldn't refuse a trade, as there was no ten and five rule until 1973. But play for the Giants? The despised, detested, and hated Giants? No way!

This is really semantics but Robinson did refuse the trade the Giants by retiring.

gbergman
08-05-2006, 04:01 PM
Dodgers Giants rivalry is still big today trust me. Some guy got stabbed to death because he was a giants fan in LA. Going to those games is always fun.